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00:00It's a day of fast-paced developments in counter-terror operations that are taking place in multiple parts of the country.
00:08And the security forces, the investigators, they've also been able to piece together the last moments of the suspected bomber, Dr. Mohamed Umar.
00:19Information now coming in.
00:21Dr. Umar Mohamed, also known as Dr. Umar Nabi, visited a mosque in Old Delhi.
00:28Just moments before the blast was carried out.
00:32Now sources are telling India today that they now have CCTV images of Dr. Mohamed Umar entering the Faiz-e-Ilahi Masjid.
00:44Not very far from the Ramlila Maidan, from the historic Ramlila Maidan opposite Turkman Gate in and around the Daryaganj area.
00:53He was inside the mosque for over 10 minutes and then he headed straight back for the Red Fort and that's where the explosion took place.
01:04Now this mosque is known to house the local operations of the Tablighi Jamaat and that is a branch that split from the Nizamuddin Markaz.
01:15That's the information that is coming in.
01:17The investigators are also examining whether Dr. Mohamed Umar from Jammu and Kashmir, working and living in Faridabad, met someone inside this mosque.
01:31Did he receive any final instruction?
01:33Moments later, there was a blast and we'll show you those images.
01:37India today has those images of those final moments just when the blast took place.
01:43The Prime Minister has just had the Cabinet Committee on Security meeting.
01:47We'll tell you about that in just a moment.
01:48But I want to quickly bring in India today, Shreya Chatterjee, for this latest developing story, a story that we're breaking here.
01:55Shreya, bring us the significance of this mosque that Dr. Mohamed Umar visited.
02:02Have the police been able to speak to the Malvi, the Imam of this mosque?
02:06What more information do we have about the final moments of Dr. Mohamed Umar?
02:11Well, you know, Gaurav, this is as investigation unravels that on the day of the blast at 2.30 p.m.
02:21is when this terror accused Umar Unnabihi visits the Faiz-e-Ilahi Masjid at Turkman Gate at 2.30 p.m.,
02:29stays there for 10 to 15 minutes, subsequently moves out of there and goes to the E5 parking of the Red Fort near the Sunahiri Masjid.
02:36And after that, we all know what transpired that took so many lives.
02:39But what we are right now learning is that the Delhi police has made this a part of their official investigation as well.
02:46I myself went to that mosque right now.
02:49We also spoke to a few of the regular people who offer prayers there.
02:53They say that 10 to 15 minutes is actually coming quite some time to offer a namaz.
02:58So big question, was that the place that he chose for his final prayers before he chose to detonate that I-20 car?
03:05That's probably something that the investigators will also look at.
03:08But he definitely did spend 10 to 15 minutes before he headed to that parking lot where he spent three hours.
03:15But this is the masjid, Faiz-e-Ilahi Masjid, is probably where he offered his last prayers.
03:19Okay, stay with me.
03:21There are more developments that are taking place, more information filtering out because the police,
03:26and this is now the National Investigation Agency that's aided by multiple police forces and the Intelligence Bureau.
03:33Information that is coming in that the mastermind of this doctor's terror module, Dr. Umar Nabi,
03:40had planned to carry out the terror attack on the anniversary on or around the day of the anniversary of the demolition of the structure of the Babri Mosque on the 6th of December or around the 6th of December.
03:56However, investigators have been able to piece together some bits of information and they say that Dr. Umar and some of his associates,
04:05who according to them include the doctors from different parts of the country, some from Kashmir, some from Uttar Pradesh,
04:11that they were planning an attack to mark what they are calling was the Revenge Day.
04:19They aimed for maximum impact and maximum symbolism.
04:24There are also intercepts that the police have been able to gather and those are details that you're still waiting for.
04:30What kind of intercepts are these that seem to indicate that the group had actually shortlisted multiple locations that they wanted to target?
04:40It wasn't just any one single location where they wanted to carry out a terror attack.
04:46They wanted to carry out multiple terror attacks simultaneously.
04:50The plan was finalized after members of the group visited Turkey.
04:57And that's the interesting new angle to this investigation.
05:00Some of the members of this group had visited Turkey, where Dr. Muhammad Umar is believed to have received instructions from his handlers
05:11from a Pakistan-based radical Islamist terrorist organization called Jaishem Muhammad.
05:17I once again want to quickly cut across to India Today's Shreya Chatterjee, who's been speaking to her sources.
05:23So, there are two very interesting aspects.
05:26Choosing 6th of December as the date, and be that as it may, why was then the attack almost a month earlier, 0.1 and 0.2?
05:37Tell us more about this visit to Turkey and who are these handlers he met in Turkey?
05:41Well, these are all information that's trickling down.
05:48The foreign handlers sitting in Turkey of this white-collar terror module were the ones who were giving the point-to-point information on how to proceed.
05:57Now, on your question, Gaurav, that if this plan was actually on the anniversary of Babri Masjid, why did it happen before?
06:03It happened because the Jambu and Kashmir police noticed those posters, went after the module, arresting them one by one.
06:10And in midway, their plan was foiled.
06:13And that is the reason, in panic, because Umar Unabhi knew he was going to be arrested soon.
06:18In order for that, he escaped, he was absconding, he switched off all his five phones.
06:23And then subsequently, when everything was out, on 10th, he drove that car and obviously that blast took place.
06:29But clearly, what we are learning, that there was a particularly selected day so far as the operation's final day was concerned.
06:37And there were multiple locations that were plotted.
06:41What we are also learning and probably the investigation will also reveal those places sooner
06:46because they did carry out reconnaissance of multiple locations on where the target had to take place.
06:52So, many more things to unravel in days to come.
06:55But clearly, this was a big plan to shock India.
06:59Indeed, our agencies and Jambu and Kashmir police contained it to a miniature version.
07:04Unfortunately, in that situation, we still did lose some innocent lives.
07:10Oh, absolutely.
07:11I mean, how devious was this plan of medical doctors?
07:15Doctors we go to to heal us.
07:17But these are doctors who are actually plotting to kill so many innocent Indians.
07:22And that just shows the devious nature of the plot of local elements and their foreign handlers.
07:30Stay with me, Shreya.
07:31I also want to cut across to the other big, big story that's taking place.
07:35So, Prime Minister Narendra Modi was in Bhutan.
07:37As soon as he landed from Bhutan, from Thimpu at the Palam Technical Area in Delhi,
07:43he went straight to the Loknag Jai Prakash Narayan Hospital.
07:46The Prime Minister met the injured.
07:50He then took a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security.
07:56Prime Minister Narendra Modi chaired the CCS meeting.
07:59And once that CCS meeting was over,
08:02we have a very crucial intelligence inputs on investigations that were given to the Prime Minister.
08:08Now the Prime Minister, even as we speak,
08:10is holding a separate meeting with the Union Home Minister, Amit Shah,
08:14and with India's National Security Advisor, Ajit Doval.
08:18And this meeting would be extremely crucial.
08:21Remember, both Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
08:24and while the Prime Minister was in Thimpu,
08:26while he was in Bhutan,
08:27he made it very clear,
08:28the perpetrators will be brought to justice.
08:31And this is something that the Union Home Minister, Amit Shah,
08:34also insisted,
08:36that there is a detailed investigation that is currently underway.
08:39And based on that investigation,
08:41the strictest possible action as per law
08:43will be taken against the perpetrators
08:45and that wider terror-enabling ecosystem.
08:48I want to bring in Aishwarya Paliwal for more on this.
08:51Aishwarya, you're constantly speaking to your sources,
08:54both in the Ministry of Home Affairs
08:55and in the Prime Minister's office.
08:57What more can you tell us about this meeting
08:59that's happening after the CCS?
09:04Well, Gaurav, you know what will happen next?
09:06The action that India will take
09:08and what exactly was the loophole?
09:10All these things are being discussed.
09:12I'm standing right outside Prime Minister Narendra Modi's house.
09:14The very crucial cabinet meeting has already taken place.
09:17The CCS is over.
09:19But another meeting, a smaller set,
09:21is now being done by Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
09:23Home Minister Amit Shah,
09:24because he has all the information.
09:26Continuously, he's getting information
09:28from all the agencies
09:29and all the heads are now working in tandem.
09:32The NSA, Aajit Doval,
09:33what exactly is he thinking
09:35and how should India go ahead?
09:37What preparation the country needs to do?
09:38All these things are being discussed.
09:40Let me tell you,
09:41the decision will be taken very fast.
09:44The decision will be taken by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
09:46The central government is preparing for it.
09:48It will be swift and it will be decisive.
09:50That's what I can tell you at the moment, Gaurav.
09:55This is extremely critical.
09:57So, there is a separate meeting that is going on right now.
09:59Now, give us details of the action taken so far.
10:01I believe there have been a series of raids,
10:04a series of searches that have been carried out.
10:06And while these raids and searches
10:07have been carried out in different parts of the country,
10:09what we also see, Aishwarya,
10:11is multiple other doctors in Jammu and Kashmir
10:15and other parts of the country
10:16are not just under the scanner,
10:18they are also being called in for questioning.
10:20Some, I am told, have been let off after questioning.
10:23There are others who have been detained.
10:25And this does appear to be a much wider
10:28and a far more dangerous module
10:30of medical doctors who are meant to heal you.
10:33But apparently, at least some of them,
10:35if these investigations are leading in the right direction,
10:38were actually plotting to kill us.
10:44Definitely, Gaurav.
10:45You know, let us just not think of the Delhi NCR region.
10:48In fact, all the agencies are now looking at the entire country.
10:52Certain states already have been put on high alert.
10:55The state of Maharashtra, the state of Uttar Pradesh,
10:56the state of Bihar also, the state of Punjab also.
11:00Even in Gujarat, the border areas,
11:01the agencies are now keeping a hawk's eye
11:03on all the border states.
11:05Those states, from where they think
11:07some kind of activity can actually take place.
11:09In fact, let me tell you.
11:15Okay, we'll be tracking that story for the moment.
11:17Many thanks for joining me.
11:18Keep tracking that story.
11:19I will come back to you for more.
11:21We are told in a moment from now,
11:22in a short while from now,
11:24there will be a briefing
11:25of what transpired in the Cabinet Committee on Security.
11:28The nation will be informed.
11:30Those are images perhaps that we see
11:32if these are live images of Union Home Minister
11:35Amit Shah.
11:37These were okay of a short while back.
11:39I'm now being told.
11:40Joining me on this special broadcast
11:41is Left-wing General Satish Dua.
11:43He's former Kashmir Corps commander.
11:45He joins us on this broadcast.
11:48Also with me is Nirmal Kaur.
11:52Nirmal Kaur joins us on this broadcast
11:54in just about a moment.
11:55But, okay, Sushant Sareen also joining me
11:58on this broadcast.
11:59Sushant Sareen is Senior Fellow
12:01at the Observer Research Foundation.
12:02Sushant Sareen,
12:03your appreciation of the action
12:05that's been taken so far
12:06against the accused and the suspects?
12:12Gaurav, I think so far what is happening
12:16is that this entire conspiracy
12:19and this entire network
12:20is being unraveled.
12:22I think...
12:23Okay, give me a moment, Sushant.
12:24I quickly want to cut across
12:25and listen in to information
12:26and Broadcasting Minister
12:27Ashwari Vaishnav.
12:27this senseless act of violence
12:31and conveys its heartfelt condolences
12:34to the bereaved families.
12:36The Cabinet prays for the speedy recovery
12:38of all those injured
12:39and appreciates the prompt efforts
12:42of the medical personnel
12:44and emergency responders
12:46who have been providing care
12:48and support to the victims.
12:49The Cabinet unequivocally condemns
12:52this dastardly and cowardly act
12:55that has led to the loss
12:57of innocent lives.
13:00The Cabinet reiterates
13:02India's unwavering commitment
13:05to a policy of zero tolerance
13:07towards terrorism
13:09in all its forms and manifestations.
13:12The Cabinet also recorded
13:13its appreciation
13:14for the statements of solidarity
13:16and support from many governments
13:19around the world.
13:20The Cabinet notes with appreciation
13:22the timely and coordinated response
13:26of the authorities,
13:28security agencies,
13:29and citizens
13:30who acted with courage
13:32and compassion
13:33in the face of adversity.
13:37Their dedication and sense of duty
13:39are deeply commendable.
13:41The Cabinet directs
13:42that the investigation
13:43into the incident
13:44be pursued with the utmost urgency
13:47and professionalism
13:49so that the perpetrators,
13:51their collaborators,
13:51and their sponsors
13:53are identified
13:55and brought to justice
13:57without delay.
13:58The situation continues
13:59to be closely monitored
14:01at the highest levels
14:02of the government.
14:04The Cabinet reaffirms
14:05the government's steadfast resolve
14:07to safeguard the lives
14:09and well-being
14:09of all Indians
14:10consistent with its enduring commitment
14:13to national security
14:15and the safety of every citizen.
14:16of all Indians
14:17and the safety of the government
14:18and the safety of the government
14:19and the safety of the government
14:20and the safety of the government
14:21will also be shared
14:22with you.
14:23I will share it.
14:24And I will come to the rest of the other sessions.
14:30You will be able to WhatsApp everyone.
14:35We will be able to get back to the next session.
14:40As you know, today, after this resolution,
14:44first of all, a new export promotion mission launched.
14:4925,060 crore rupees.
14:52Okay, I want to quickly bring in Sushant Sareen into this conversation.
14:56Sushant, zero tolerance for terror reiterates the government,
14:59appreciates the timely action,
15:01directs that action be taken against not just the perpetrators,
15:04but also the sponsors, and they be brought to justice.
15:07And strict national security commitment,
15:12that's what the government reiterates.
15:14Your thoughts, one, on the attack,
15:17two, on action taken so far,
15:19and the role of this module of Dr. Sushant.
15:22What do you make of it?
15:24Gaurav, first, I think the statement which the cabinet is issued is pretty boilerplate.
15:29I don't think you can pick holes in it,
15:31but it doesn't really tell you how they're going to go about it.
15:34I suppose what you and I are interested in is whether there will be any cross-border action by the government.
15:43There is no indication of that as yet, but yes, they will crack down on whoever was behind this particular network.
15:49They will crack down on all the people involved with these fellows who carried out this attack,
15:54and they will unravel this entire conspiracy and this network.
15:57And I think that is what has been happening for the last two days.
16:01And the speed with which the investigating agencies and the security agencies are working, I think is quite admirable.
16:09What they're doing is, you know, layer by layer, they're peeling off this entire conspiracy and unraveling it before our eyes.
16:19And they are not leaving any stone unturned.
16:22So, if you look at the number of people who have been detained, who have been questioned,
16:26I think it shows you the seriousness with which this entire issue is being approached.
16:31What they will do from here on, I think that is what is going to be extremely important.
16:37But as of now, we don't have any indication of how they intend to proceed.
16:42So, stay with me for a moment.
16:44Stay with me.
16:45You raised a very pertinent point and you were asking whether you perceive there would be cross-border action.
16:50General Dua, in your appreciation, as of now, yes, we all know that, you know,
16:56when there's a terror attack in India that's linked to Jaish-e-Mohamad, the strings have been pulled from across.
17:01But as of now, are these grounds for counter-terror operations against a radical Islamist terrorist organization,
17:08like Jaish-e-Mohamad, across, or do we clean the house first?
17:15I think both things would be in order.
17:20We obviously clean the house.
17:22We need to take all measures as has been happening for the last 15-20 days
17:27because how it started in Kashmir and then how JNK police is coordinated with Urjana police
17:32and how JNK police is coordinated with the UP police to raids all across wherever these
17:39crews or trails led them.
17:42So that is an ongoing process and I think they're doing a great job.
17:46And as it is coming out, if it was a panic attack, then that means they have hit the map.
17:51The agencies and security forces have hit them.
17:54On the other hand, what action should be taken?
17:57The Prime Minister has made a speech and as you also pointed out, he brought out one sentence.
18:04He spoke one sentence in English in the middle.
18:06And that's what happened after Pahal Gaam in Madhubani in Bihar, speaking to our audience
18:11in Bihar in Hindi.
18:12He suddenly spoke one sentence in English and that was meant obviously a statement for the
18:16global audience.
18:17And again, he says, we will go after the perpetrators wherever they are.
18:21And so if you take your mind back when we started these things, when Uri attack was a surgical
18:28strike, was a very shallow strike and then Pulwama was a much deeper strike.
18:32And then Operation Sindhu was far too deep and extended on multiple targets.
18:37So there is obviously going to be some proactive action when the Prime Minister speaks like this.
18:44What shape it will take is not for us to rest because we have to leave that for the leadership
18:50of the movement.
18:51Nirmal Kaur, as former Director General of Police, your appreciation of the challenge
18:57the country faces when it comes to a module of doctors allegedly involved in a massive
19:05multi-city terror attack on Indians.
19:09And these are Indian doctors.
19:10They're from Jambu and Kashmir.
19:12They're from Uttar Pradesh.
19:13They've benefited.
19:14And they're the cream of our society considering they're doctors.
19:17And yet they're out to bleed us.
19:20Truly, the government has spent a whole deal of money, you know, subsidizing their education,
19:24making them doctors that they can come forward and serve the society.
19:28Instead, they are indulged into anti-national activities.
19:31They are forming groups.
19:32They are getting so radicalized.
19:34I think that you spoke of challenges.
19:36The biggest challenge right now is to stop this infiltration of sleeping cells.
19:41You have so many sleeping cells, so many, you can't even, I mean, like the, and also
19:46radicalization, which is our biggest threat right now, that these elements, they are being
19:50like, you know, there's this Shopeya paramedic who's been radicalizing these doctors out
19:55there.
19:56So, you know, radicalization is our biggest threat right now.
19:59Highly educated people like these five, six doctors, the lady doctor, you know, she wanted
20:05to be...
20:05From a topper to a suspected terrorist.
20:07You're absolutely right.
20:08It's shocking because she's had the best of everything in society and yet she would choose
20:14a path of terror.
20:15Mr. Sahai, Mr. Sahai, as former Karnataka ADGP and somebody who's looked at cyber security
20:23very closely, do you look at this radicalization?
20:26Is it happening online?
20:28Of course, in Kashmir, we saw this paramedic who was radicalizing these elements, but is
20:32it a combination?
20:33Is this one kind of, you know, overload on their system that they're being radicalized
20:40in such a way that they're unable to sift between fact and fiction and they're going
20:44down the terror way?
20:45What's happening and how do you arrest it?
20:46Okay, sir, you'll have to unmute yourself, please.
20:57I think the current round of radicalization, as it was in the case of Syria, it is a complete
21:03comprehensive sort of a radicalization.
21:06I remember those days, there was a correspondent who got into this sort of a cell and one month's
21:12complete radicalization process she went through and that was brought down in a book.
21:17So it has a toolkit which has been successful in large parts of the world and primarily that
21:22is also being tried in this country.
21:24And if you go by whatever has unraveled so far, I think they were successful in this level
21:29of radicalization.
21:30Now, where we are failing is that there's a huge amount of electronic intelligence and
21:35signal intelligence which is coming to us and we are banking on that on a very big way.
21:41But the human resource intelligence on the radicalization part, because it was happening
21:45from 2021-2022, so on the radicalization part might be the other intelligence is there,
21:51but human resource intelligence primarily on organizations or enterprises which are likely
21:58to fall in this trap.
21:59I think that is somehow, as far as the current understanding goes, that is missing.
22:04And they have been moving on this radicalization process after your propagation, after your repealing
22:10of 370.
22:11So it was seen that they are lying low, the stone pelting is not happening and one odd incident,
22:16though grave in nature has happened.
22:18But while lying lull, this is the activity which they have been doing and they have been spreading
22:23their tentacles in a very, very surreptitious manner.
22:25And whosoever selected that the doctors should be their weapon and their tool in their war
22:31against India through terrorism.
22:34Oh absolutely, sir, we are getting the first statement from the Cabinet Committee on Security
22:38officially stating that the Red Fort bombing, the vehicle attack was, a VBID was a terror attack.
22:49So it's official now, of course, when a case was registered under sections of the UAPA and the
22:56investigation was handed over to the National Investigation Agency, it was officially a terror
23:02investigation that had been initiated.
23:06But the government has now officially confirmed that the Delhi blast was a terror attack.
23:13Dr. Swamy Awasthi, does this change the nature of the direction of the investigation?
23:20NIA is investigating it.
23:22There are cases under UAPA that have already been registered.
23:25Does it add momentum to the investigations?
23:28Does it now, you know, become more focused in its approach to deal with, ma'am?
23:34Yes, given the fact that UAPA was evoked at that time, it's really clear that any kind
23:43of attack on the national symbols, which Red Fort is, is equivalent to attacking the sovereignty
23:49of the nation.
23:50And because of that, this act had to be implemented.
23:54And now the investigation will actually get expedited.
23:58There will be more, there will be a special court which will be in place, and the suspects
24:03will be under remand for 180 days before the charge sheet is filed.
24:09So that gives a lot of time for the investigative agencies to move forward with a focused mind.
24:16And given the fact that there is a clear indication already, and which was likely in this case more
24:24inclined towards Jaisya Mohammed because of the women doctor involved, and she was apparently
24:31also claimed to be heading the women wing, which was also inducting online courses for
24:37women to follow jihad and radicalization.
24:41You asked a very important question on radicalization, and I think given the fact that now the social
24:48media and the way gaming applications are being used, so radicalization is not limited to universities
24:54or madrasas, but it has gone beyond that into the digital world.
24:59So it is becoming a big challenge for the nation to counter radicalization.
25:04But simultaneously, I think we need to do more, we need to have stronger laws on how the gaming
25:12applications as well as the social media platforms are being used for propaganda and for signaling.
25:19And yeah, so that is where I feel the challenge lies.
25:23And Sushant Sareen into this conversation, because Sushant Sareen, what I find extremely
25:27worrisome in this case is the fact that you have medical doctors, people you and I would
25:32go to saying, heal us, look after us.
25:36We trust them to nurture us back to health.
25:38These are the people who are actually plotting to kill us.
25:41I mean, whether it's this group of doctors from Jammu and Kashmir or Uttar Pradesh or the
25:46doctor from Hyderabad who was trying to make some chemical toxin to mix in fruit and vegetables
25:51and in one report that I read in Prasad and kill as many innocent people in crowded places.
25:57How widespread are the terror tentacles of these doctors?
26:01What do you do in such a case?
26:02Yeah, Gaurav, no, I don't want to be facetious about this, but the fact of the matter is
26:09anybody who wants to kill me, I don't care whether it's a doctor, engineer, an MBA, you
26:15know, somebody working in an MNC.
26:17I don't care.
26:17But the point is that terrorist is a terrorist.
26:20Now, this particular...
26:21No, but the fact is that a doctor you would trust and Ajmal Amir Kassab, you'd probably be
26:24aware of.
26:25You know, you'd stay at an arm's length.
26:27A doctor you would go to and say, you know, you're treating me or you're treating my family.
26:30I don't think I would have gone to these doctors anyways.
26:34But the bottom line is that, look, the fact of the matter remains that, look, you have
26:38to understand that there is a climate in which there is a bunch of people who start getting
26:45radicalized.
26:45In this particular case, it's a bunch of doctors.
26:48In another case, it could be a bunch of engineers.
26:51Gaurav, there's a question I've often asked people in security services.
26:55When 10 or 15, for example, students in a university are sitting down, let's take, for
27:04want of a better word, Jamia Millia University or Aligarh Muslim University or one of these
27:09universities.
27:11People of a particular persuasion, people of a particular faith, and that could be any
27:16faith.
27:16What are they talking about?
27:19What are the conversations happening between them?
27:22What are the things which are agitating them?
27:25I know what my kids are discussing.
27:27They're discussing pop music.
27:28They're discussing jobs.
27:30They're discussing, you know, all kinds of new things which are happening.
27:34What are other kids discussing?
27:36I think we are completely blind to this.
27:39As a result, when these things erupt, we are, you know, we are taken by shock.
27:44How come very educated people from really rich or well-to-do families who don't need to
27:49take to terrorism, why are they doing it?
27:52Terrorists are not doing it because they want to make money.
27:55Terrorists are doing it because they have been convinced that this is the path forward.
27:59This is the path to Jannat.
28:00So, I think we need to be very careful and we need to be, you know, very aware of what
28:07is this menace that we are dealing with.
28:10And unfortunately, despite 40 years of dealing with it, I still don't think we have adequate
28:15understanding.
28:16Or are we too soft?
28:18Are we too unwilling to call a spade a spade, Ms. Nirmal Kaur?
28:23And, you know, go after these elements.
28:26And is this, in your view, ma'am, while it may have been good intelligence and good operations
28:30in nabbing these elements before they could carry out that big terror attack, sadly, 8
28:36to 10 people still lost their lives.
28:38Is this an intelligence failure if this indoctrination was on from 2021-22 and they still succeeded
28:44in carrying out a terror attack in 2025?
28:47Is this a failure of intelligence at multiple levels, including what these chaps were talking
28:52in their colleges and universities and were being radicalized by that paramedic?
28:56I, you know, that's universal knowledge.
28:58That's universal knowledge.
29:00And that is, there's nothing, you know, that fault lines are so deeply drawn.
29:04And, you know, what you're saying is the terrorists have to succeed only once.
29:07The security agency to succeed all the time.
29:10You know, there's this message that sent by IRM and Margaret Thatcher, okay, we should.
29:15Yes.
29:15But we have to succeed only once and you have to succeed all that.
29:18So I wouldn't call it as an intelligence failure, but universal, it is in front of your own
29:23eyes.
29:24You refuse to see it.
29:25There is this Khoja Muslim family that migrates to some place in Africa two, three years ago.
29:31The, I mean, the sun makes it big.
29:34And, you know, he's claiming Muslim identity.
29:36In India, Shias and Sundis do not even acknowledge Khojas as Muslims.
29:40They came to India to escape persecution at the hands of Muslims.
29:46That's how Khojas and Boras came to India.
29:47And now, you know, away, he's thousands of miles away.
29:50He's talking of the condition of Muslims in India to get Muslim votes in New York.
29:55And he actually did end up in an election.
29:57So give me a moment before I bring in, before I bring in General Dua and Mr. Sahai, I want
30:03to cut across and bring in India today's Aishwarya Paliwal, who's joining us after this cabinet
30:07committee on security meeting and briefing.
30:10Aishwarya, explain the significance of the government after the CCS meeting, officially now calling
30:17it an act of terror.
30:19How do things change in terms of action that will be taken against the perpetrators?
30:25Do we see special quotes and time-bound action now?
30:27Well, definitely, you know, Gaurav, let me tell you, this is a very, very clear message
30:34which is now coming in from the government.
30:37The government now saying that this is an act of terror, something that, you know, all
30:42the teams at the moment were also pointing towards the fact, the funding which came in,
30:47the way in which we are now seeing people being added, people who now are being told what
30:54exactly to do.
30:55The idea was to kill as many people as possible.
30:58So, this is a clear statement, a crisp and a short statement coming in from the government
31:02of India.
31:03And that is why, Gaurav, let me tell you, the meeting that took place almost half an
31:07hour with Home Minister Amit Shah and the NSA Ajit Dobal and Prime Minister Narendra Modi,
31:11the three of them sat and they had a half an hour meeting.
31:15What needs to be done next?
31:16Now, this is something which is very, very crucial, something that the government will now
31:19very keenly will have to look at.
31:21And from what I can also understand at the moment, we will also tell other countries
31:27the action that India will now be taking.
31:29Because this is something, Gaurav, and you also understand it very well, that this is
31:32something that the government of the country does not take very lightly.
31:37There are lives that have been lost.
31:38And there was a larger plot that was being made.
31:42There were different states.
31:45Absolutely.
31:45In fact, that is the Cabinet Committee on Security.
31:48You know, the decisions that have been taken, the information that's been put out in public
31:53domain.
31:53General Dua, you've operated in Kashmir very extensively, sir.
31:59Are you surprised that there are these multiple doctors from Kashmir and doctors from Uttar Pradesh,
32:05from well-to-do families, a brother-sister duo, very well-off, and the doctor from Hyderabad.
32:11And these are all elements in different entities plotting to kill fellow Indians?
32:18The short answer, Gaurav, is no.
32:23You're not surprised.
32:26Excuse me.
32:27Wow.
32:28Go on.
32:28The short answer, I'm sorry, I'll start again.
32:31The short answer, Gaurav, is no.
32:33I'm not surprised.
32:34Because in the past also, we have seen, you know, more than a decade ago, when it was the
32:41IM, Indian Mujahideen, along with Simi, they were engineers.
32:46They were, they were, it was not white-collar terrorism in those days also.
32:51When we had a couple of engineers entering the Hezbollah Mujahideen in Kashmir, while I
32:57was serving there in Kashmir.
32:59So, we have seen this happen off and on.
33:04When we've also, after abrogation of Article 370, approximately five years ago, we started
33:10seeing a new term called the hybrid terrorist, which has now morphed into a white-collar terrorism.
33:14So, I'm not surprised that this is happening.
33:17In fact, it actually focuses us towards this angle also.
33:21We should not only look at terrorists from a certain strata of society.
33:25We should, we should be aware and conscious of the fact that we, we will get more and more
33:30terrorists from this places where, or such strata that we may be a little unsuspecting
33:36of, and I think, to add one sentence to what you were asking your, your own news reporter,
33:43the government, the Prime Minister during Operation Sindur, or before Operation Sindur, had said
33:48that any act of terrorism will be treated as an act of war.
33:54That was a very clear statement.
33:55And now that the CCS has declared, after due investigation and diligence, that this is
34:01an act of terror, I am sure we are going to see very concrete action, where, when and
34:06how, we will have to leave it to the leadership side.
34:09Because this will have to be a multi-pronged offensive, Mr. Sahai, you know, you've dealt
34:15with, in Karnataka, highly educated engineers, software engineers, who are, in some instances,
34:23self-radicalized, looking at Islamic State literature and becoming Islamic State terrorists.
34:30We've seen that in Karnataka.
34:32We've seen that in Kerala.
34:33We've seen that in pockets of Bengal.
34:35If you were to map our country from Kashmir to parts of Haryana, to Uttar Pradesh, to
34:43Andhra Pradesh, to Kerala, to Karnataka, to Bengal, trouble seems to be in various places.
34:49Now, how do you counter this threat?
34:51What needs to be done?
34:52Clearly, there cannot be a magic bullet.
34:54While we deal with the enemy across, how do you deal with the enemy within?
34:59The radicalization is something which has been reinventing itself.
35:03Again and again and again.
35:05And there has been different modalities from Syria to Afghanistan and finally coming to
35:10India.
35:11So, as a silver bullet, it is not going to happen.
35:14But primarily, it happens.
35:16One is the lone wolf stage.
35:17The lone wolf stage, I think it has been crossed.
35:21The lone wolf stage has crossed because we are having a very coordinated, integrated, focused,
35:26intense radicalization, which is primarily aiming.
35:30At a sleeper cell, it is aiming at a group.
35:33I presume or I hope that this is the only group.
35:37There can be any number of groups.
35:38So, the quality of radicalization is supported through social media, through YouTube.
35:44And also, you have the local handlers.
35:47As you have these handlers outside of this country, you have handlers like the Molvi inside
35:52India as well.
35:53And a paramedic teaching radicalization, it is primarily, if you read Yul Noah Harari,
35:59it is the, though he talks about the digital world, it is the hacking of the mind, which
36:03is the most subversive thing which can happen, which you cannot see on the face of it.
36:09Now, at the level of encryption and level of variety of other things which are happening,
36:13now it has become very, very difficult to handle because 98% of our interaction today
36:18is primarily on the digital channels.
36:21So, one is radicalization with the instant communication.
36:25Added with that, there are other physical elements, human resource elements, which are
36:29radicalizing on a day-to-day basis.
36:31So, until or less, we are able to map.
36:34In the current case, with huge amount of investigation and a very, very integrated approach, we have
36:39been able to map at least to some level.
36:41If we are able to map to this level, the next co-centric circles also have to be mapped
36:46and the deradicalization strategy has to be worked out and we have to start with at least
36:53a couple of these cells and spread it around.
36:55We have to iterate and find solutions.
36:57There are no ready-made solutions.
36:59You have to iterate, find solutions for yourself.
37:01And this must be done very openly.
37:04This must happen across the length and breadth of our country.
37:06If certain elements need to be ostracized, if some elements, Dr. Soumya Vasti, need to
37:11be put in jail, they must be put in jail without fear of favor.
37:15And even if there is an enabling ecosystem, and Sushant Saneen, I'll come to you in a moment
37:19on that enabling ecosystem.
37:21But Dr. Vasti, right now, I want to talk about action that we need to take within and action
37:26that we need to take beyond.
37:27You know, elements in Pakistan who are radicalizing, elements in Turkey who are radicalizing, the
37:33funds flow, that needs to be unraveled because somewhere down the line, this is India's problem
37:38and there are too many enemies at multiple levels who are working in tandem to bleed us
37:43from within.
37:43Yeah, so, yes, Kaurav, I'll add one more point to why radicalization and doctors, you are
37:50talking about it.
37:52You know, it becomes easy for educated people to get recruited because they start rationalizing
37:59the violence through selective religious or ideological interpretations.
38:03And moreover, the terrorist organizations deliberately recruit these doctors, engineers and other skilled
38:08professionals because they bring their expertise and moreover, the credibility that they get
38:14because today I will go to a doctor, I need a doctor for treatment.
38:18So that's why it becomes, credibility becomes easy.
38:22They can get access to hospitals, to public places.
38:25If Kassab goes looking like Kassab, he will not get entry into a mall.
38:29But if a doctor walks in, they will be thinking, okay, it's looking like an educated person.
38:34So that is why they are moving towards these educated professionals.
38:38And getting them recruited.
38:41Now, coming to the question on why and how can we, you know, counter these radical people
38:47or radicalization, I think we have done, we are doing a good job by bringing up new laws
38:53that are targeting the core issues of radicalization.
38:57Like I spoke about initially on the online gaming bill.
39:00That was interesting because it's not just bringing financial crimes, but also it is becoming
39:07a weapon or a tool for online module of training the recruits.
39:12So you don't need a battleground.
39:14You can actually do it on Call of Duty or Roblox.
39:18So that was one of the reasons to have an online gaming bill.
39:21We have also seen how Popular Front of India has been banned.
39:25The moot point where I want to really emphasize here is we need to relook at the Societies Act,
39:33which was written in 1800s, because that is what becomes an easy way to re-register themselves.
39:41So that's why SIMI has taken the shape of Campus Front of India, because the Societies Act
39:46is allowing them again and again to rebuild themselves.
39:49So that is something we need to look at.
39:52And of course, we need to spend a lot of money on countering these radicalization groups,
39:57because you need people from within the community also to come forward.
40:01So Sushant said in India, is India too soft a state in dealing with these elements?
40:07So yes, and Ajmal Amir Kassab was given due process of law, tried and ultimately hanged.
40:13Many saw that as politics.
40:14But when you look at the Bartler House encounter, when you look at the politics around Bartler House encounter,
40:19do we have an enabling ecosystem that may, you know, for a Muslim vote bank,
40:25actually go the other way and become a terror enabling ecosystem?
40:30Two, three points.
40:31Gaurav, number one, what would people who said that hanging of Ajmal Kassab was a political move,
40:38what would they have us do?
40:40Put him in parliament and make him represent the people?
40:43You know, it's ridiculous and bizarre, the kind of stupidity that we see in our public spaces.
40:51Second, I don't think we are a soft state.
40:54I think we are a confused state.
40:56When India wants to be hard, it can be really, really hard, right?
41:02It can be a pretty ruthless state when it wants to be.
41:05The problem is that the way policymaking is done in this country is rather confused.
41:10So for example, let's talk about radicalism.
41:12How do we define radicalism?
41:15You know, how do we define, say, religious radicalism?
41:18Now, I can show you very well-educated people on Twitter, for example,
41:24which is one of the social media handles, platforms I use,
41:28saying stuff which make your skin crawl, right?
41:33Would that fit into the definition of radicalism?
41:37If it does, then why is nobody acting against them?
41:41Is mere banning them good enough?
41:43Something more needs to be done?
41:45Does your legal system provide you with the kind of latitude you need to crack down?
41:50And how do you draw the balance between cracking down on these guys,
41:54but also allowing freedom of speech?
41:56Now, these are very, very serious and very, very sensitive issues,
42:01which you have to deal with, with a great degree of sensitivity,
42:05because otherwise, if you are going to use a hammer to do this,
42:08you have a Nepal-like situation, right?
42:10So, you know, these are things which should have agitated our policymakers 10 years back.
42:16Okay.
42:16Sir, give me a moment, give me a moment of breaking news coming in.
42:20The National Security Guard Commandos, their team has just reached the location
42:25where that Red Fort EcoSport was found in Faridabad.
42:30The Red Fort EcoSport, that car that was suspected to be housing,
42:36perhaps, you know, storing more ammonium nitrate or other explosives.
42:41That was the intelligence input that went out earlier this afternoon.
42:44Those are live images or slightly deferred images that are coming in of the NSG team.
42:51Remember, the NSG has the National Bomb Data Center.
42:56They have the biggest team that can, one, diffuse bombs,
43:01two, have data on bombs in the past,
43:04the biggest data bank on improvised explosive devices,
43:09where signatures can be matched.
43:13That is that Ford EcoSport that you see on your television screen.
43:17And, of course, the NSG vehicle, NSG vehicle that has just come in.
43:22So, this Red EcoSport has been found.
43:25There were intelligence inputs that seemed to indicate,
43:29perhaps, some 300 kilograms of ammonium nitrate was missing.
43:34It may have been stored or hidden in this Red Fort EcoSport,
43:40but we will wait.
43:41We will wait for the NSG team to carry out its operation.
43:46And only then will we know the latest.
43:49India Today's Shreya Chatterjee and Arvind Dojha
43:52get us more on the day's developments so far.
43:55After a blast in I-20 killed 10,
44:05a second car of terror is now in focus.
44:12A red EcoSport with plate number DL10CK0458
44:19has been seized by the Haryana cops.
44:23The red EcoSport was found parked near Khandwali village in Haryana.
44:29The car is registered to suspected bomber Dr. Umar.
44:34He allegedly used a fake Northeast Delhi address
44:37to purchase the car.
44:39India Today tracked that address,
44:42the house now raided, sealed and empty.
44:45When we reached this area,
44:49T-460,
44:50when we reached this area,
44:51the Maulana Sahib told us
44:53that there are not one,
44:55four towns in T-460.
44:56One time, the camera is posted to us,
44:57we can see the first town,
45:00or you can see the address address.
45:01The first town is the town,
45:02which the town of Mohammed Ayub,
45:05who is a judge,
45:06is telling us,
45:07that the Dirli Police,
45:10with the Jarch Agency,
45:12As the investigation widens, five Delhi police and multiple ATS teams
45:41are chasing the men behind the blast.
45:44Dr. Umar worked closely with two others, Adil Rater and Muzammil, both from Kashmir.
45:52The trio allegedly ran a terror logistics network of nearly 10 members, half of them
45:58medical professionals.
46:05Another key player is Dr. Shaheen.
46:08Believed to have links with Jaishya Mohammed, she radicalised her brother, Dr. Parvays Ansari.
46:15He has now been arrested and during raids at his home, ATS recovered six keypad phones,
46:21a computer, three knives and a heavy dagger, all now key evidence.
46:26The investigation now reveals that two encrypted telegram groups radicalised doctors.
46:36Through online chats, they were brainwashed.
46:39The chats began with Free Kashmir and quickly shifted into a global jihad narrative calling
46:45to avenge injustice.
46:46After radicalisation through the chat, Imam Irfan indoctrinated the doctors.
46:55After that came a trip to Turkey, now suspected to be the turning point.
47:00Sources say that's where the doctors met Jaish Handlers, who tasked them with executing the
47:06Delhi strike.
47:06And now from Delhi's lanes to Turkey's terror trail, investigators are joining the dots fast.
47:17Bureau Report, India Today.
47:19There is clear and present danger.
47:26It's not just in Jammu and Kashmir or in Faridabad or in Palwal or in Delhi.
47:32I also want to now take you to Hyderabad.
47:36Because there is another doctor of death who's just been taken into custody, fortunately,
47:41before he could carry out a terror attack by the Gujarat Police Anti-Terror Squad.
47:45Because this is a huge, huge threat.
47:49This doctor of death, Dr. Mayuddin Syed, who was planning a poison attack, a toxin attack
47:58to kill thousands.
48:00Mass casualty attack through a toxin that he was trying to put together.
48:04Details of that chemical terror plot involving ricin, a deadly, odorless, tasteless toxin with
48:12actually no antidote.
48:14Details coming up.
48:15So these doctors of doom were not just planning to kill you through improvised explosive devices
48:31or ammonium nitrate.
48:33There's another doctor who's now been taken into custody by the Gujarat Police Anti-Terror
48:38Squad, who was actually planning a terror attack through a chemical attack, which involves
48:44that deadly toxin called ricin.
48:48It's deadly.
48:49It's colourless, odorless.
48:51It's a toxin with no known antidote.
48:54Even a tiny amount can be fatal, making it one of the most dangerous substances known
49:00to man.
49:00We are now told that from the first arrest of this doctor, two more accomplices have been
49:05taken into custody.
49:07But the bigger plot, he bought the chemicals, he bought the tools.
49:11He wanted to make not just this weapon for mass casualty.
49:16He was also scouting various places, crowded places where a large number of people could be
49:22killed.
49:22We bring you more in this report.
49:24A successful Operation Sindur and rattled terror groups, from Jaish-e-Mohamed to ISIS, all
49:42deeply troubled by the dismantling of terror modules on Indian soil.
49:47While Jaish used Dr. Death and his colleagues to allegedly plan and execute the Red Fort Blast,
49:57ISIS planned a horrifying chemical terror plot.
50:00Just days ago, Gujarat Anti-Terror Squad arrested three men, including a doctor with a Chinese
50:07medical degree, for allegedly trying to produce a lethal chemical compound called ricin.
50:14Meet Ahmed Mohyuddin, the very face of this unique terror plot.
50:23This doctor from Hyderabad was exploring ways to weaponise ricin.
50:28His alleged plan was to inject the toxin into fruits and vegetables and to poison food items
50:35sold in Hindu areas.
50:37The police say he allegedly surveyed Asia's largest wholesale fruit and vegetable market
50:44in Delhi, the Azadpur Mandi, Ahmedabad's Naroda Fruit Market and the RSS office in Lucknow.
50:53These spots were chosen for their dense crowds and high public activity and were being considered
50:59as potential targets.
51:08It is essentially a protein that can be extracted from the castor bean.
51:26It has no smell and taste and is 600 times more dangerous than cyanide.
51:34And there's no antidote for it.
51:38Needless to say, the ease of producing the poison, coupled with the very low doses needed
51:44to kill, make it a challenge for law enforcement.
51:48So is rice in the new bioweapon on the block threatening India?
51:54Should India be worried?
51:57With Manjeet Negi, Bureau Report, India Today.
52:00A toxin that's 600 times more lethal than cyanide.
52:10I want to quickly bring in India Today's Brijesh Doshi, joining us live with the latest on investigations.
52:16Brijesh, again, is this a module?
52:20Was he a lone wolf with some accomplices?
52:22What more have investigations revealed so far?
52:26Gaurav, this terrible module was busted on the 8th of November where Gujarat ATS has
52:31arrested Dr. Boydutin who travelled to Ahmedabad to pick up the ammunition adjacent to Ahmedabad
52:38and Gandhinagar, Kalol area.
52:41Before he can return to Hyderabad, Gujarat ATS has nabbed him from the Ahmedabad-Gandhinagar highway
52:48and also with the ammunition he was arrested.
52:52Also Gujarat ATS has collected some chemical with him, though it was not verified at that time.
52:59But after that, Gujarat ATS has claimed that it was resin made from castor oil.
53:04It is more poisonous, 600 times more poisonous than cyanide.
53:07And it doesn't have any antidote.
53:10So that's why it is more dangerous.
53:12This is the first kind of this new terror module of Jaisar Mohamad as per the claim by Gujarat ATS
53:16that this is the new terror module of Jaisar Mohamad.
53:19We have seen that balloon wolf attack or the suicide bombing or the attack like Pahal Gham.
53:25But this is the first time that liquid terror attack plan was made by the Jaisar Mohamad.
53:29And that's why it is more serious attempt towards any kind of terrorist activity.
53:36And that's why Gujarat ATS has nabbed him from Ahmedabad.
53:39And then I see two other people who were connected with this Dr. Mohinuddin.
53:43No, it's very, very sinister as you very rightly point out.
53:47Both Jaisar Mohamad, you know, modules, one from Kashmir, operating in Hyderabad, operating in Palwal,
53:56operating in Delhi with elements in Lucknow.
53:59And this module of this doctor of death operating from Hyderabad, arrested from Gujarat.
54:04But I will leave you with a question.
54:07How many more like these chaps are out there even now, plotting to kill you and I and other innocent Indians?
54:16And what will it take to nab them and take the strictest possible action as per law
54:21to bring the full force of justice of this land against those who live here but peddle Pakistan's agenda?
54:29We'll be tracking that story very, very closely.
54:30That is all I have for you on India for this evening.
54:33Many thanks for watching.
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