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00:00The average age of a first-time homebuyer is a record high, 40 years old.
00:06That is why President Trump says he is proposing what his administration is calling, quote,
00:11a complete game changer, a 50-year fixed-rate mortgage.
00:16Life expectancy in America today is 78.4 years.
00:21Wondering if you can afford that first house?
00:24With the Donald J. Trump 50-year mortgage, you can.
00:27And don't worry that you'll be long dead before your home is paid off,
00:31because we'll send the bills right to your grave.
00:37With a 50-year mortgage, think of the equity you'll be building up while your flesh is falling off.
00:43Only 36 more years and this house will be mine.
00:49And be sure to check out the Donald J. Trump 50-year car loan.
00:52It's the Late Show with Stephen Colbert.
00:59Tonight, Presa Day.
01:03Plus, Stephen welcomes Claire Daines.
01:08And Congressman Jim Clyburn.
01:11And now, live on tape from the Ed Sullivan Theater in New York City,
01:24it's Stephen Colbert.
01:26Welcome, friends.
01:47Thank you very much.
01:49Welcome, one and all, to the Late Show.
01:51I'm your host, Stephen Colbert.
01:52I want to start off...
01:53Right off the bean here, I want to start by wishing everybody a happy Veterans Day.
02:01All of us here at the Late Show.
02:05All of us who work here at the Late Show want to send our gratitude to those who have served our nation.
02:10I wish I could thank every one of our troops in person,
02:13and I might get the chance when Trump sends them to New York.
02:16Now, I also...
02:21Got to.
02:23He's got to.
02:25I also want to thank everyone here in my audience tonight
02:27who braved freezing temperatures and the first snow of the season here in New York.
02:34Those are the heroes.
02:40Now, they're...
02:41No, no, not me.
02:43You're the heroes.
02:44I'm glad you guys are okay.
02:47I'm glad you guys are okay.
02:48You're now safely inside the Ed Sullivan Theater, where it is much colder.
02:53It's not just as you're in New York.
02:54All over the United States, there's the Arctic clippers coming down.
02:58Folks are getting hit with an Arctic blast.
03:00Down south, the cold is causing all kinds of problems.
03:03In Florida, residents were warned that iguanas paralyzed by the cold
03:07might start falling from trees.
03:10As opposed to the rest of the year in Florida,
03:13when reptiles falling from the trees are thrown by Iguana Dave.
03:17The guy who throws iguanas is also the mayor of Daytona Beach.
03:23Things are...
03:23It's a fun town.
03:25Things are getting chilly up on Capitol Hill
03:27after a small group of Democrats voted with Republicans
03:30to end the shutdown...
03:31To end the shutdown without restoring health care subsidies,
03:37Democratic leadership has taken heat from the rank and file.
03:40Chuck Schumer, who is supposed to be the leader of the Senate Democrats,
03:44reportedly gave the deal, quote,
03:45neither a blessing nor a curse,
03:48and did not direct senators on how they should vote.
03:51Bold leadership!
03:55Reminds me of the stirring words of William Wallace.
03:58They may take our lives!
04:01Or our freedom!
04:03Their choice!
04:04Whatever!
04:06Whatever.
04:08Now, here's the thing.
04:10It's so obviously a failure of leadership.
04:12Schumer's facing fury from every part of the party.
04:17Moderate House members,
04:18progressive senators,
04:19self-described insurgents,
04:21establishment candidates,
04:22not to mention low-rise governors,
04:24zaddy comptrollers,
04:26gluten-free city managers,
04:27and deputy mayors on tandem bikes.
04:29It's a very...
04:30very big tent.
04:33The shutdown,
04:34which is technically still not over,
04:36has caused major chaos at airports
04:38across the United States,
04:39where air traffic controllers
04:40have gone unpaid for so long
04:42that many have had to call out of work
04:44or even resign.
04:46Trump is not happy with them.
04:47So yesterday he posted,
04:49All air traffic controllers
04:50must get back to work now.
04:53Anyone who does it
04:54will be substantially ducked.
04:57Wow.
04:58That sounds...
05:00Man, that sounds like an awesome job.
05:08Extremely high stress,
05:09understaffed,
05:10you work six days a week,
05:11you don't get paid,
05:12and the president attacks you in public?
05:14How could it get better?
05:16Maybe a donkey could kick you in the nuts
05:17while it rains iguanas on your head?
05:21Trump also...
05:22Good old iguana Dave.
05:25How are we going here?
05:27How's it going?
05:28How's it going?
05:28Trump also let those controllers know
05:30he's not going to forget them playing hooky,
05:33writing,
05:33You will have a negative mark,
05:35at least in my mind,
05:37against your record.
05:41Really?
05:42Really?
05:43A negative mark in that mind?
05:46You know what?
05:47I'll take my chances.
05:50I'll never forget your disloyalty.
05:53Harold?
05:55Sharon?
05:57What's your name?
05:58Burlap?
05:58Acida?
06:00Acida?
06:00Acida me to pina colada?
06:04Then...
06:05Then Trump let controllers know
06:16how easy it would be to replace them.
06:18If you want to leave service in the near future,
06:20please do not hesitate to do so
06:22with no payment or severance of any kind.
06:26You'll be quickly replaced by true patriots.
06:31Um...
06:31Maybe I'm alone,
06:37but I don't care if the guy landing my plane
06:39is a true patriot.
06:40I just want him to know what he's doing.
06:43I don't want a surgeon saying,
06:44Okay, I didn't go to med school,
06:45but, uh, pretty sure the torso
06:47is where they keep all the important wet stuff.
06:51Proud to be an American.
06:55Where at least where is that lung?
06:58I think that's the kidney part.
07:02Trump is an old nepo billionaire
07:04who simply does not understand
07:06how hard it is for regular people
07:07to survive these days.
07:08And right now, regular people are not happy.
07:11A survey measuring consumer satisfaction
07:13with current conditions
07:14has fallen to 52.3% this month,
07:17marking the worst ever for the survey,
07:20dating to 1951.
07:23Consumers have not felt this bad
07:24since we fed our babies cigarettes.
07:28Since every man's wife was named Susan.
07:31Since we did free throws like this.
07:34Pretty good, though.
07:38That's how I was taught.
07:41Eighth grade.
07:43Trump.
07:44Trump is doing his best
07:45to convince people
07:46that they actually like his economy
07:47that they hate.
07:49For instance,
07:50he keeps bragging
07:50that a Thanksgiving meal basket
07:52from Walmart
07:53is 25% cheaper
07:54than last year.
07:55Just one problem.
07:56It has half as many items
07:58as last year.
07:59So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison,
08:02which is good
08:03because apples are up
08:04almost 5% from last year.
08:07Reminds me of the old saying,
08:08an apple a day,
08:09oh no, I'm ruined.
08:13One thing,
08:14one thing Americans really love
08:16is having a place to live.
08:17Um, me included.
08:19I'm a,
08:19I'm a bit of a shelter head,
08:21but it's getting increasingly hard
08:23to afford home ownership,
08:25which is why on Saturday,
08:26Trump proposed adding
08:27a 50-year mortgage.
08:29And the Washington Post
08:30did the math
08:31for anyone buying
08:32a $400,000 house
08:33with a 10% down
08:34and 30-year mortgage,
08:36you would owe
08:37about $2,300 each month.
08:39With a 50-year loan,
08:41it would come down
08:41to about $2,000 a month.
08:44So far, so okay,
08:45but that doesn't
08:46take into account interest.
08:47On that same home,
08:48a 30-year loan
08:49would mean you would pay
08:51$438,000 in total interest,
08:54but with a 50-year loan,
08:55the number jumps
08:55to $816,000.
08:59That's a hell of a leap.
09:01I haven't seen a deal
09:01this bad since Payless
09:03ran their infamous promotion,
09:04buy one, get scabies.
09:07That was a long walk.
09:09Yeah.
09:09That was a long walk.
09:10That was a long walk.
09:11I was thirsty.
09:13I got to the scabies well.
09:16This big, dumb policy
09:17that fixes nothing
09:19is the brainchild
09:20of federal housing
09:21finance agency director
09:23and bulldog watching
09:24someone else
09:25hump his favorite leg.
09:26Bill, it doesn't look happy.
09:30Bill Pulte.
09:31Here's the actual true story
09:33of how this policy
09:34came to be.
09:35On Saturday,
09:36Pulte arrived at
09:36Trump's Palm Beach
09:37golf course
09:38with a piece of
09:39three-by-five
09:40poster board in hand.
09:42That poster board
09:43had this image
09:44of President Roosevelt
09:45under the phrase
09:4630-year mortgage
09:47and Trump
09:48under the phrase
09:4950-year mortgage.
09:52Roughly 10 minutes later,
09:54Trump posted the image
09:55to Truth Social.
09:56So he just sees a poster
09:57and 10 minutes later,
09:58it's public policy?
09:59We need to get someone,
10:02anyone,
10:02into Mar-a-Lago
10:03with this poster.
10:05Smash Burger.
10:32It's not just
10:36homes that have
10:39become unaffordable.
10:40Thanks to Trump's tariffs,
10:41there's a new
10:42American dream
10:42just out of reach,
10:43noodles for dinner,
10:45because an upcoming
10:46107% tariff
10:48means that Italian pasta
10:49is poised to disappear
10:50from American grocery shelves.
10:52Okay.
10:54That's it.
10:56We are officially
10:56in a pasta emergency.
10:59The levels go,
11:00Papa Def Con.
11:01Barilla!
11:03And, uh-oh,
11:04SpaghettiOs.
11:06This affects,
11:08uh-oh, SpaghettiOs.
11:10That's old.
11:12I'm old.
11:12I'm old.
11:13I'm old.
11:14This affects
11:15all your favorite
11:16Italian pasta brands
11:17from A to Z.
11:18I'm talking
11:19Agritalia,
11:21Barilla,
11:23Rummo,
11:24Gruppo Milo,
11:26Chimpanzini Bananini,
11:29Botticelli Cera Baby,
11:30It's-a-Me Mario,
11:32and home alone's
11:33Ajo Pecci.
11:35While most Americans,
11:37while most Americans
11:39can't afford a house
11:39or pasta to cook it in,
11:41Trump is slathering
11:43the White House
11:43in gold
11:44like an Ottoman Sultan
11:45freebasing nougat.
11:47You may,
11:47you may recall,
11:50uh, that Donald Trump
11:51destroyed the East Wing
11:51of the White House
11:52to build a massive
11:53compensation for his
11:54weird, tiny penis,
11:55but...
11:55I got a sign of it.
11:58I got a sign of it.
12:00Um,
12:00I'll go.
12:02But the renovations,
12:04the renovations don't
12:05stop there,
12:05because recently,
12:06the Oval Office
12:07got this new
12:08outdoor wall sign
12:09that says,
12:09THE OVAL OFFICE.
12:13Uh-oh,
12:13Grandpa's getting old,
12:15and they have to
12:15start labeling stuff
12:17just to make sure
12:18he isn't too confused.
12:20They also labeled
12:21THE DESK
12:21and
12:22ERIC.
12:25Yeah.
12:26Quite an improvement.
12:27Yeah, yeah.
12:28That was nice.
12:31Let's take a look
12:32at that OVAL OFFICE sign again.
12:34Man!
12:35He loves those
12:36fancy, cursive letters.
12:38He even used them
12:39for his stupid
12:39presidential walk of fame.
12:41That's a font I call
12:42luxury-assisted living.
12:46Why?
12:47Because that's
12:47what comes up
12:48when you Google
12:49luxury-assisted living fonts.
12:53That's just...
12:54And that's just part of it.
12:55Right?
12:57Right?
12:59That's just part of
13:00Trump's extreme gold makeover.
13:01Over the past few months,
13:02he's covered the entire
13:03White House
13:04in gilded dingle-dangles.
13:06They're on the outside.
13:08They're all over the inside.
13:10I mean,
13:10it really looks like
13:11they're multiplying.
13:13Oh!
13:17We've got a great show
13:18for you tonight.
13:20My guests are
13:21Blair Gaines
13:22and Congressman Jim Clyburn.
13:24And when we come back,
13:25meanwhile,
13:27enjoy this one, too.
13:33wooirsiniz.
13:34Woo-hoo!
13:40Woo-hoo!
13:45Go!
13:46Throw it.
13:48Go!
13:48Go!
13:50ко!
13:51Go!
13:51Get!
13:52Go!
13:52Go!
13:53See you!
13:54Go!
13:54Go!
13:56All right, now, guys!
13:57and the K-tons.
13:59Oh!
14:01Oh, yeah.
14:02Oh, yeah.
14:03Yeah.
14:05Folks, if you watch the show, you know I spend most of my time
14:08down at the news firm over there,
14:10designing a topical story structure of glass-fibered
14:12reinforced polymer, encasing a monocoque structure
14:15of milled polyethylene
14:17tera-phthalate
14:19foam.
14:21An undulating panelized
14:23system with a front-door cast in white bronze
14:25to build for you the groundbreaking and functional
14:27diller, Scofidio, and Renfro
14:30mansion that is my monologue.
14:31But sometimes, folks, just sometimes
14:33it's chase a family of raccoons out of a disused
14:35port-a-potty and chuck in a seat cushion
14:37torn out of Motorhead's abandoned tour bus,
14:40then hunker down in the bog yurt
14:41of news that is my segment.
14:45Meanwhile!
14:49It's soothing.
14:51It's comforting. It's meanwhile.
14:53Meanwhile,
14:56Apple is introducing
14:58something called the iPhone Pocket,
15:01which features a singular
15:023D-knitted construction
15:04designed to fit any iPhone.
15:06This is a totally groundbreaking
15:08new iPhone accessory,
15:10unless you own a sock.
15:14Then you have one already.
15:16But for something so revolutionary,
15:18you're gonna have to pony up, because the iPhone Pocket
15:21in the short strap retails for $149.95,
15:24and the long strap design is
15:26$229.95.
15:28Perfect for anyone saying,
15:30I wish there was a stocking stuffer
15:32that would start a huge fight with my spouse.
15:36Meanwhile,
15:36it was just reported that a man
15:38snapped 65 cucumbers
15:40in 30 seconds
15:41to break the world record,
15:43obliterating the previous record
15:45of 50.
15:47Man,
15:48now breaking 50 cucumbers
15:50seems pointless.
15:54Meanwhile,
15:55they've run out of records.
15:57They've run out of records.
15:59Meanwhile,
15:59a flamingo
16:00that went missing
16:01from a wildlife sanctuary
16:02in Cornwall, England
16:03over a week ago
16:04appears to now be living
16:05in northern France.
16:08Well,
16:09yeah.
16:11Of course it went missing.
16:13It's a flamingo.
16:15It doesn't want to live in England.
16:16I don't understand.
16:18These penguins
16:18seem to really hate Dubai.
16:23Meanwhile,
16:23in animal news,
16:25researchers
16:26who were filming bats
16:27to learn how they communicate
16:28caught this footage of a rat
16:30just hanging out
16:31near some bats
16:32and...
16:34pow!
16:37He grabs one
16:39and he carries it off.
16:43I love unlikely
16:44animal friendship videos.
16:47They're probably
16:49back at the rat's apartment
16:50snuggling now.
16:53Meanwhile,
16:55some sad fast food news.
16:57Wendy's will close
16:58roughly 300 stores
16:59starting in late 2025.
17:02Well,
17:02I guess
17:03everything ends eventually.
17:05Which,
17:05coincidentally,
17:06was also the original slogan
17:07for the Baconator.
17:12Meanwhile,
17:13makes you feel better
17:15about eating it.
17:17Meanwhile,
17:17in Albania,
17:18the world's largest spider web
17:20housing 110,000 spiders
17:22has been found
17:24shocking researchers.
17:26Even more shocking
17:26to the researchers
17:27was that Gary was like,
17:29hey guys,
17:29there's like 110,000 spiders
17:31in here.
17:33I'm gonna poke it.
17:35Everybody open your eyes
17:37and your mouths
17:37and poke the spiders.
17:41I'm not happy
17:42that he's in Albania.
17:44That feels too close
17:45to New York
17:46while he's poking
17:47that thing.
17:49All right.
17:50Meanwhile,
17:50Pittsburgh is seeing
17:51the return of
17:52balls-out bowling
17:53where nudity is required.
17:55Pro tip,
18:00that little blower
18:00is perfect height
18:01for drying
18:02more than your hands.
18:05Couldn't quite
18:06get that joke out.
18:07Couldn't quite
18:08get that joke out.
18:09Enjoyed it a little bit
18:09too much.
18:10The event is open
18:11to all adults
18:11interested in body-positive,
18:13non-sexual,
18:14social nudity.
18:16Non-sexual.
18:18So remember,
18:21fight the urge.
18:25Meanwhile,
18:277-10 split.
18:31While nudity is mandatory
18:33at the event,
18:34guests must bring
18:34a towel to sit on.
18:39Interesting place,
18:40interesting place
18:41to draw the line.
18:42Uh,
18:43please sit on a towel
18:44to keep a bowling alley hygienic.
18:46Now,
18:46here are your rental shoes.
18:48We bought them
18:48during the Johnson administration.
18:50They carry 10 of 12
18:52known flesh-eating bacteria.
18:55Shh, shh.
18:56Meanwhile,
18:58Starbucks announced
18:58its 2025 holiday menu
19:00and includes a glass cup
19:02for cold drinks
19:03resembling a honey bear container.
19:05The new viral bear cup
19:06is causing mayhem
19:07with customers saying things like,
19:08I will fight you for it.
19:10I will fight you for it.
19:12Incidentally,
19:12also the code
19:13for any Starbucks bathroom
19:14meanwhile,
19:17next year,
19:18Buckingham Palace
19:18will stage
19:19the largest ever display
19:20of Queen Elizabeth II's fashion.
19:22Oh,
19:22and I cannot wait.
19:25Who can forget
19:26the Queen's
19:27iconic Bob Mackie
19:28Oscar look?
19:30We'll be right back
19:31with Claire Danes.
19:44Hey, everybody.
19:51Welcome back.
19:53Ladies and gentlemen,
19:54my first guest tonight
19:56is an Emmy Award-winning actress
19:58you know from my so-called life,
20:00Temple Grandin,
20:01and Homeland.
20:02Her new show is
20:03The Beast and Me.
20:04Please welcome back
20:05to The Late Show,
20:06Claire Danes.
20:07Hey, nice to see you again.
20:28So nice to see you.
20:30You know,
20:30I think I've...
20:31Everybody's happy
20:34to see you, Claire Danes.
20:37It's been too long
20:38since we've had you on the show.
20:40It's been a minute.
20:40The last time,
20:41we've talked,
20:43five years ago,
20:44I guess,
20:45was the last time,
20:45but it was on Zoom.
20:46Yeah.
20:47Because it was...
20:47It was the sad COVID days.
20:49Yeah, sad COVID days.
20:50As opposed to those
20:51happy COVID days
20:52that we all remember.
20:54You know,
20:54I ate some bread.
20:56I made some bread.
20:57Oh, did you make...
20:58Were you one of those people
20:58who got into the sourdough world?
21:00Yeah.
21:00I have a good friend
21:01who teaches people
21:03how to bake bread,
21:04and honestly,
21:05like, the weekend
21:05before the COVID curtain fell,
21:08I had a lesson with her,
21:09and she gave us some starters
21:11as, like, party favors,
21:13so I was, like,
21:13good to go.
21:15But...
21:15You leave me alone.
21:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:17To do my kneading.
21:18Yeah.
21:18Um...
21:19That was the finale.
21:22The last time we spoke
21:23was the finale of Homeland.
21:24Yeah.
21:24Which was fantastic.
21:26Huge fan.
21:26You know I'm a huge fan.
21:28Of anything you do,
21:28but that particularly, especially.
21:31Yeah.
21:32Um, what do you think
21:33Carrie's doing these days
21:34over in Russia?
21:35Is she still over there?
21:36Because it ends,
21:37spoiler,
21:37she's over in Russia at the end.
21:39Yeah.
21:39What do you think she's doing?
21:40Uh...
21:41I...
21:41I...
21:42Ice skating.
21:44Uh, no.
21:44I don't know.
21:45Um, uh, I...
21:47I hope she's okay.
21:48I do wish her well.
21:49Um, I don't know.
21:51I'm worried about her.
21:51I'm so worried about her.
21:53Maybe she's found her way back.
21:54I mean, she did forge
21:55that connection with Saul,
21:57so I don't know.
21:58Maybe there was some...
21:58With the book at the end
21:59and all that kind of stuff.
21:59The book at the end.
21:59Don't we know?
22:01Remember Showtime?
22:02I do remember...
22:03Faintly.
22:04But yes, yes, yes.
22:05Okay, this year...
22:06Here's another show
22:07that I just loved.
22:08It was only on
22:09for a single season.
22:10Not even.
22:1119 out of 22 episodes.
22:12We didn't even make it
22:13to the end of one season.
22:14Well, it's incredibly influential.
22:16It's a cult classic.
22:17My so-called life.
22:20This year...
22:21This year marks 30 years
22:24since the end of that show.
22:26How old were you
22:28when you made that show?
22:28I was 13
22:29when I made the pilot.
22:31Wow.
22:32I was in junior high.
22:33It did not get picked up.
22:35I went to my freshman year
22:36of high school,
22:37and about in October,
22:39you know, a month in or so,
22:40I got a call saying,
22:41oh, no, no, we are
22:42going to pick it up.
22:43So, yeah, I was 14
22:44when I did the bulk of the show.
22:46But a baby.
22:47I mean, I felt very mature
22:49at the time.
22:51Yeah, I mean,
22:51certainly you look the right age,
22:54but your performance
22:54was actually was so...
22:57I mean, had you done
22:57a lot of acting?
22:58It was so well-developed
22:59that I couldn't imagine
23:00you were actually that young.
23:01Not so much,
23:01but yeah, I'd been at it
23:02for a while, I guess.
23:04But, I mean, yeah, no,
23:05I have an almost
23:0713-year-old child now,
23:09and I look at him,
23:09I'm like, no, no, no,
23:10I was definitely not
23:12close to an adult person
23:15at that point in my life.
23:16I did a show just for
23:18three seasons called
23:18Strangers with Candy,
23:20and that show...
23:20A brilliant show.
23:22Oh, we watched
23:22My So-Called Life.
23:24We watched the entire season.
23:26Oh, that makes me feel
23:26really, really good.
23:27Because we started writing
23:27it in 97 or 98.
23:29So you guys had just been
23:31on for that one year.
23:32Oh, no.
23:33Oh, that's so lovely to hear.
23:34No, I'm still really close
23:36with so many people
23:37involved in the show,
23:37and really,
23:38Winnie Holtzman,
23:39who wrote the show,
23:40is a dear, dear friend.
23:41And I just saw her in L.A.
23:43day before yesterday.
23:44She came to a screening
23:45of this new show of mine.
23:46I'm going...
23:46Because she wrote
23:46Wicked, too.
23:48Wow.
23:48So I'm going to her premiere.
23:50It was hers and hers.
23:51So it still feels like
23:53it's very much
23:53in the present tense
23:54because so many of those
23:55connections are still very alive.
23:57So, again,
23:58you were saying at 13
23:59we did the pilot,
23:59and you'd already
24:00done a little work.
24:01How did you first
24:01get into acting?
24:03What made you say,
24:04like, oh, I'm going to do that?
24:05Yeah, I danced as a kid.
24:06I grew up here in New York,
24:07and I took a dance class,
24:10and sometimes dance companies
24:11would come looking
24:12for, like, young talent,
24:13and I was pretty hammy,
24:14and I would often get picked,
24:16and so I had some experience
24:18working in, you know,
24:19in productions,
24:21very, very small scale,
24:22like to 12 people.
24:24I'm in my kitchen now,
24:26but, yeah.
24:27You were, like, on point
24:28and that kind of stuff?
24:29No, no, like,
24:29rolling around the floor,
24:30like, in temporary dance.
24:31Like, yeah.
24:33Yeah.
24:35Just like poetry
24:36that doesn't rhyme?
24:37Exactly.
24:39But, yeah,
24:41so I did,
24:41and that was my first
24:42experience of performing,
24:43and I really loved it,
24:44and, yeah,
24:45and I was just really
24:46drawn to it.
24:47From the age of five on,
24:48I knew I wanted
24:49to do this,
24:50and I went to
24:52Lee Strasberg
24:53when I was 10,
24:54and I went to
24:56a performing arts
24:56junior high school
24:57and met other kids
24:57who were doing this
24:58professionally,
24:59and I, like,
24:59learned what a headshot was,
25:01and my dad had been
25:02a photographer.
25:03He was then a contractor,
25:04but we still had
25:04a darkroom in our loft,
25:05and the woman
25:06who was renting it,
25:07like, took my headshots.
25:08It was very ad hoc.
25:09Well, the new series,
25:11the new miniseries,
25:12is The Beast in Me.
25:13You star and executive
25:14produce.
25:14I do.
25:15What's it about,
25:15and who do you play?
25:16Yeah, I do star in it.
25:18I do executive produce it,
25:19and it's so hard to say
25:20what it's about still.
25:21No, I play a writer,
25:23Aggie Wiggs,
25:24a very successful writer.
25:25She won the Pulitzer,
25:26and in that flush of success,
25:28she moved optimistically
25:29to this, like,
25:30affluent neighborhood
25:31in Long Island
25:32with her wife and child,
25:33and then she has
25:36a very tragic accident.
25:38She's driving,
25:39and her son is in the back seat,
25:40and he's killed
25:40by a drunk driver,
25:41and she never fully recovers,
25:43so it's been about four years,
25:44and she's still in
25:46kind of profound grief,
25:47and her marriage has dissolved,
25:48and she can't produce any work,
25:50and she's in a kind of hell,
25:51and this man moves in next door,
25:54a very, very kind of notorious,
25:58controversial real estate scion,
26:01and his wife had died,
26:03and there's a lot of, you know,
26:04talk about his potential
26:07involvement with that,
26:08but...
26:08Did he do it, yeah.
26:08Yeah, did he, did he not,
26:09so, you know, there's a lot.
26:11Anyway, and we strike
26:12this unlikely relationship,
26:14and he becomes the subject
26:16of my next book,
26:17and, you know,
26:18they're kind of hunting each other,
26:20and, yeah,
26:21they have this weird,
26:23perverse romance,
26:24in a way,
26:24of the mind.
26:26Okay.
26:27Yeah, but it's scary,
26:28and it's good,
26:29and it's good,
26:30and...
26:31We have a clip.
26:32Oh, we do.
26:33We do have a clip,
26:34don't we?
26:34Yes, we do.
26:35We do have a clip.
26:36I knew that.
26:37I did actually know that.
26:39Do you want to say anything
26:40about the clip?
26:40Sure, yes, okay,
26:41the clip.
26:41You don't have to.
26:42No, no, no, no,
26:42I think this is the second episode.
26:44You're going to cold.
26:44No one explained it.
26:45When I saw it,
26:45no one explained it to me,
26:46and I understood it.
26:47It speaks for itself, okay?
26:48Roll it.
26:49I'm pitching the book to him.
26:51Okay, here we go.
26:51It seems to me
26:52you're quite misunderstood,
26:55and I think a lot of people
26:56would want to hear
26:57your side of the story,
26:58especially if you've got
26:59the right person to tell it.
27:01Why would I let you do that
27:02if you think I'm a murderer?
27:04You just told me you're not.
27:06If that's true,
27:07what are you afraid of?
27:12Hiding in the suburbs
27:13won't make this go away.
27:15The less you say,
27:18the more people will invent.
27:19I was in that crowd
27:21and they were angry.
27:22They're looking for someone
27:23to crucify.
27:25Gossip and carnage, right?
27:31Even if Benitez doesn't get the votes
27:33and you manage to finish Jarvis Yards,
27:35whatever you build,
27:37anything you put your name on
27:38will always be tarnished.
27:40as long as you keep
27:42letting them define you.
27:47I'd let you ride it.
27:48I'd let you ride it.
27:55So I was saying that
27:56the drama involves you
27:57living next to someone
27:58who might be dangerous.
27:59Yeah.
28:00You're from New York.
28:01I am from New York.
28:02Did you have any dangerous neighbors?
28:04Because you don't know
28:05who you're going to get in New York.
28:06I was the dangerous neighbor.
28:09You were the nightmare neighbor?
28:11I was the nightmare.
28:12How were you in a nightmare?
28:13You seemed like a nice person.
28:14I had this really wonderful loft.
28:16It was like my bachelorette pad
28:17on Worcester Street.
28:18How old were we talking about?
28:19I was like in my 20s, right?
28:20Yeah, sure.
28:21And I was dating a musician
28:23and he had gifted me a drum set
28:25for a birthday or something.
28:26The best possible neighbor.
28:28And who was my downstairs neighbor
28:31but Billy Corgan
28:33from the Smashing Pumpkins.
28:37And he would meet me in the elevator
28:39and be like,
28:40yeah, good progress, Claire.
28:44Great.
28:45Well, that was kind of positive.
28:47Yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:47That was kind of positive.
28:48Do you still play?
28:50No, I don't think
28:51I ever played again.
28:53Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
28:54Oh, gosh.
28:55So, yeah, it traveled, apparently.
28:58The sound.
28:59No, yeah, of course it does.
29:00Yeah.
29:00Of course it does.
29:02Well, thanks so much
29:03for being here.
29:03Lovely to see you again.
29:04The Beast and Me
29:06will be available
29:07on Netflix
29:08starting this Thursday.
29:10It's Claire Danes, everybody.
29:12We'll be right back
29:12with Congressman Jim Clymer.
29:26Hey, everybody.
29:28Welcome back.
29:29Ladies and gentlemen,
29:32my next guest has represented
29:33South Carolina's
29:346th Congressional District
29:36for over 30 years.
29:37Please welcome to the Late Show
29:38Congressman Jim Clyburn.
29:57Hey, Congressman,
29:58thanks so much for being here.
29:59Thank you very much
30:00for having me.
30:01I haven't been down
30:02to South Carolina
30:02since August.
30:03How is Palmetto State doing?
30:04It's doing great,
30:05but you're coming back
30:06a little more often.
30:07I know.
30:08I agree.
30:09That's what my wife says, too.
30:10That's a great spot
30:11to stand upon there.
30:11People may not know
30:13I pointed out to you
30:13is that I do the Monoly
30:14every night
30:15on a little map
30:16of South Carolina
30:17over there.
30:18Great foundation.
30:19So I feel like
30:19I'm at home.
30:20That's great.
30:21Now, last night,
30:23I want to get to your book
30:25right here,
30:26The First Eight.
30:27We'll talk more about that
30:29in just one moment.
30:30But last night,
30:31the Senate passed a deal,
30:32and Speaker Johnson
30:34is finally calling
30:35the House back to vote
30:36on the end
30:38of the longest
30:39government shutdown.
30:40After 41 days,
30:42did anyone get
30:44anything they wanted?
30:46Who benefited here?
30:47Well, I think everybody
30:48got some of what
30:49they wanted.
30:50The other side
30:51got more of what
30:51they wanted
30:52than what we wanted.
30:54We got some protections
30:55for SNAP, WIC.
30:58These are not
30:59unimportant programs.
31:01However,
31:01when it comes to
31:02the Affordable Care Act,
31:03making health care
31:05not only accessible
31:07for everybody,
31:08but affordable
31:08by everybody.
31:11That we did not get.
31:13That was the stated goal.
31:15Absolutely.
31:16And it's still the goal.
31:17If at first
31:18you don't succeed,
31:19you keep trying.
31:20And I think
31:21that we are going
31:23to stay in this fight.
31:24Harkin and Jeffers
31:25have made it very clear
31:25that this is not
31:27the end of this fight.
31:29And who knows?
31:30What was the vote?
31:32Are they promising?
31:34To put the bill
31:36on the floor?
31:37Or are they promising
31:38to let us bring
31:39the bill to a vote?
31:40I don't know that.
31:41I've been listening
31:42for that.
31:42In the House,
31:43you mean?
31:44Yes.
31:45And the Senate.
31:46You see,
31:47the Senate
31:47has promised a vote.
31:49But we gave them
31:52outside eight votes
31:54to bring the bill
31:55to the floor.
31:56That's how they got
31:57to 60 to cut off
31:58the filibuster.
31:59Now, are they going
32:00to give us the votes
32:01we need to cut off
32:02the filibuster
32:03so that we can have
32:04a direct vote
32:05on the bill?
32:07What is your,
32:07you want to lay
32:08some money on that?
32:11Because I can make
32:12some quick cash
32:12right now, I think.
32:14Not from me,
32:15because I will not bet
32:16on the Senate
32:16by any means.
32:18All right.
32:20Now, as I said,
32:22you've got the new book,
32:23The First Eight,
32:24A Personal History
32:25of the Pioneering
32:26Black Congressman
32:27Who Shaped a Nation
32:28comes out today.
32:30Who were the first eight?
32:32And why did you
32:32want to write this book?
32:33Well, these were
32:34eight African-Americans
32:35that served
32:36in the United States
32:37House of Representatives
32:38from South Carolina
32:39before me.
32:40They served first
32:41from December 12, 1870.
32:46Joseph Rainey
32:46was absolutely
32:47the first African-American
32:49ever elected
32:50to Congress
32:52from the little town
32:53of Georgetown,
32:53South Carolina.
32:56And we're going
32:59to run down
33:00through a litany.
33:02The lodge was from
33:03Aikens, South Carolina.
33:05We've got Richard Kane
33:07who came to South Carolina
33:10from New York.
33:13He was born in West Virginia,
33:16came to New York
33:17to pastor
33:18Bridge Street AME Church,
33:20and he went to Charleston
33:23to reestablish a church
33:26that has come
33:27into the consciousness
33:28of everybody
33:29in the country,
33:31Emanuel AME Church.
33:33It's where he first pastored,
33:35and he moved
33:36into politics from there.
33:38Now, if I could go through
33:38things like Rancia,
33:40Robert Brown, Elliot,
33:42and then there was
33:43a guy named Robert Smalls.
33:46You write that Robert Smalls
33:49lived the most consequential life
33:51of any South Carolinian
33:53in memory.
33:55I know who Robert Smalls was.
33:56Tell the people
33:57about this man's
33:57extraordinary story.
33:59Robert Smalls
33:59was born into slavery.
34:01Now, around the age of 17,
34:03he started working
34:04on the waterfront.
34:05Here, he was prancing
34:08around the ship one day.
34:11He threw on
34:12the captain's cap,
34:13and one of his buddies
34:15said to him,
34:16you know,
34:17when you put that cap on,
34:19you look exactly
34:20like the captain.
34:23This set off
34:24something in his head,
34:25and he started
34:27making the plan.
34:29He started studying
34:30the currents.
34:31He knew how the currents
34:33flowed into Charleston Harbor.
34:35He then listened
34:36to all of the whistles.
34:39He knew what the whistles meant,
34:41and then he hatched
34:43the plan to escape
34:45from slavery.
34:46He brought his family
34:48into the plan,
34:49and a few
34:50of his close friends,
34:52and because he noticed
34:53that on every Friday night,
34:56the three guys
34:57who ran the ship
34:59would go into Charleston
35:01and would not come back
35:03until Saturday.
35:06He picked the Friday night
35:09that he was going to wait
35:11for them to go in,
35:12and when he thought
35:14it was safe,
35:15he put that captain's cap on,
35:19and he fired up the engines.
35:23He started the whistles
35:24to go in,
35:25and they took the planter,
35:27that ship,
35:29out of the Charleston Harbor,
35:31past Fort Sumter,
35:32where the Civil War began.
35:36He did the right whistles,
35:38and the sentry yelled out,
35:40go blow those damn Yankees
35:43out of the water.
35:43And he said,
35:46I kept going,
35:49got beyond,
35:51in a capture,
35:53his wife had brought along
35:55a white bedsheet,
35:58and they took that bedsheet
36:00and put up the flag of surrender
36:04and delivered that ship
36:07to the Union Army.
36:09And he got his freedom.
36:15And he went on to become
36:16a congressman as well.
36:18Absolutely.
36:19He became, for 10 years,
36:21a member of the House of Representatives
36:22in South Carolina.
36:23In fact,
36:24it was Robert Smalls
36:24that put up the resolution
36:27to have free public education
36:30for everybody.
36:32And Robert Smalls,
36:33who did not have
36:33an education himself,
36:35when he did that,
36:37South Carolina became
36:39the first state
36:41in the Union
36:42to provide free public education
36:45for all.
36:48He became such a celebrity.
36:49The people here in New York
36:51tried to get him
36:53to move here.
36:54They really wanted him
36:55to be a New Yorker.
36:56But he never,
36:57he stayed in the South
36:59until he died in 1915.
37:03Great guy.
37:04I should take a lesson
37:04from him and go back
37:05to South Carolina
37:06is what you're saying.
37:06I'm trying to tell you.
37:08Listen.
37:09We have to take a quick break.
37:10We'll be right back
37:11with more.
37:11Congressman Jim Clyburn,
37:12everybody.
37:13It's a wrap.
37:19Hey, everybody.
37:21Welcome back to the show.
37:22We're here with the author
37:23of the new book,
37:24The First Eight,
37:25Congressman Jim Clyburn.
37:27I want to ask you,
37:29this is the great
37:30Representative John Lewis.
37:31And when you were sworn
37:33into the House,
37:33you joined your friend
37:35John Lewis.
37:36We were lucky enough
37:37to talk to him a few times.
37:39And I'm just curious,
37:40what do you remember
37:40about meeting John Lewis
37:41for the first time?
37:42John Lewis and I met
37:43the weekend of October 15, 1960.
37:48It was the second meeting
37:50of SNCC,
37:52the Student Nonviolent
37:53Coordinating Committee.
37:54And we were having
37:56a disagreement.
37:57Those of us
37:57who were students
37:58felt, like we hear today,
38:02that the adults
38:03were not active enough.
38:06And so we were really
38:07in disagreement
38:09with Martin Luther King Jr.,
38:10who agreed to come
38:12meet with us in Atlanta.
38:14That's the weekend
38:16I met Martin Luther King Jr.
38:17for the first time
38:18the same weekend
38:19I met John Lewis.
38:21We were both 19-year-old
38:23college students
38:24at the time.
38:25And we formed
38:26a fast relationship
38:28that lasted right up
38:30until his death.
38:31And John and I sat there
38:34on the floor of the House
38:36just before he went on
38:37for the last time.
38:38He told me that day
38:40that he was going home.
38:43He did not think
38:44he would ever come back
38:45to Congress.
38:47John was one
38:49of the most remarkable people.
38:50I always said
38:51that he, among us all,
38:54was the only one
38:55that internalized
38:57nonviolence.
38:59Some of us practiced it.
39:01I never internalized it.
39:04John Lewis did.
39:06He was one of the most
39:07remarkable human beings
39:08I ever encountered.
39:11And we sort of went
39:12through life.
39:13We both met
39:14and married librarians.
39:17Our wives
39:17became great friends.
39:19And I spoke with him
39:22the night before
39:22he passed away.
39:24I called because
39:25the rumor had floated
39:26around that John
39:27had passed away.
39:28So I called his
39:29chief of staff
39:32and told him
39:33what I'd heard.
39:34He said,
39:34no, he's still alive.
39:36I said, well,
39:37please tell him
39:37that I called
39:39and I'm still
39:40praying for him.
39:41And Michael,
39:42his chief of staff,
39:43said to me,
39:44why don't you tell him?
39:46He can hear.
39:48And he took the phone
39:49and put it
39:49on his shoulder.
39:51And I talked
39:52to John that night.
39:53And he passed away
39:54the next day.
39:56Well, Congressman,
39:57thank you so much
39:57for being here.
39:58Thank you for having me.
40:01His book,
40:02The First Date,
40:03is out now.
40:04Congressman Jim Clyburn,
40:05everybody.
40:21That's it
40:22for The Late Show.
40:23Tune in tomorrow,
40:23my guests will be
40:24Jonathan Karl
40:25and Pete Townsend.
40:27Good night.
40:27Good night.
40:28Hiya!
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