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00:00what's up big blue brandon london here alongside long time new york post sports columnist steve
00:10survey it's time for our uh our blue rush trade deadline show right when we're recording this
00:16right now as of right now joe shane hasn't made uh not one trade just yet but we're going to uh
00:23give you guys some live updates if he does so right now serbia i guess we're done with the
00:28show because he didn't do anything we don't have anything right now but now all jokes aside serbia
00:33the fact that joe shane what is it 359 right now for a 4 p.m deadline the fact that nothing's happened
00:42especially not like the jets and everything that they're doing what does this tell you about joe
00:48shane and brian dable well it tells me that joe shane uh is not interesting in making a panic move
00:57for a wide receiver to help jackson dart now we all know that dart needs more weapons
01:05um but you've got uh jacoby myers traded for a fourth and a sixth to the jaguars except that he
01:14is just a rental uh he he's going to want a big new contract rashid shaheed the deep threat that
01:22jalen hyatt was supposed to be uh also traded um to the seahawks um again another rental so
01:33uh if i'm joe shane i'm not willing to part with assets for a rental wide receiver
01:43yeah uh and i'm with you on that one had they beat the denver broncos i would have been all in
01:49on giving up a fourth or whatever those trades were for rashid shaheed or uh jacoby myers to bring
01:56in some sort of receiver threat um it's the receivers right now have not been able to
02:03do anything honestly at this point i mean you're talking about that broncos game where you know for
02:09for the three quarters they had the league and everything but when you looked at the box score
02:15only one receiver not named wandel rob only one receiver had a catch registered to catch that game
02:22and that was wandel robinson you look at the eagles game i don't believe anyone outside of wandel
02:27robinson had a catch i think i was maybe because darius slayton didn't play that game and then uh you
02:32look at the uh and then you look at this this game oh darius slayton did play that game had the
02:37offense pass interference and then you look at this game right now i think joe shane's just like you know
02:41what you go you sit jackson dart down and you and you look at it like since we didn't win that game
02:48that broncos game that changed anything and everything and i don't want to risk getting you
02:56someone or having picks to package to go after someone proven that won't be a rental just to get
03:04you somebody right now and they're going to keep everybody i mean it's 401 right now it looks like
03:09they're just going to keep everybody in house especially at that wide receiver position unless
03:14you know something's going to break that we just haven't heard of just yet but right now i mean i
03:19don't i'm not mad at joe shane for that no um you know maybe he could have pried adonai mitchell loose
03:25from the cults because the cults included him uh in uh in that deal for uh sauce sauce uh was it for
03:34sauce or for quinn for sauce for sauce okay yeah and adonai was a second round pick in 2024
03:42uh unfortunately for him he's best known for leaving the ball uh dropping the ball before scoring a
03:48touchdown but uh he's he could be uh a factor in the years to come he's an interesting prospect
03:54but again uh the joe shane was not going to uh unload the boat for jalen waddle the dolphins were
04:05not interested in trading jalen waddle and chris olave another former first round pick uh comes with
04:15some concussion baggage so that's the last thing joe shane needs to do is take a risk on someone like
04:21that best ability availability and then when you talk about these rentals waddle robinson's contract
04:28is up at the end of the season i think he's shown that going with the daniel jones and russell wilson
04:35kind of unlocked a new side of of waddle robinson when they were stretching the football and pushing
04:40the football down the field he's shown that they're not going to break the bank to bring them in but i
04:46think that's a key piece or a piece to build off of going towards next year and then you already have
04:52that money tied up in darius slayton and what you gave him this offseason so i mean i'm i i'm with you
04:58on that one and not be again not giving up assets or not giving up anything for a guy that's just
05:05going to come in for a season that looks like you're pretty much out of it right now i mean you're not
05:11mathematically out of it so as a player you're still going to fight your butt off but i mean they
05:16haven't really you know they haven't shown that they can go on a run and win out right now so
05:21does this does this but does this feel like serby because you've been around the jets you've been
05:28around the giants for a long time you've been around all these different regimes does it feel
05:33like mr mara kind of told joe shane not to go out and do this because maybe he's on the hot seat or
05:44or his job is in question right now you don't get that inclination no i i really don't and again
05:51um uh godspeed to mr mara for his answer battle of course for sure but john mara you know he let
06:01joe shane handle the saquon barkley negotiations and uh much to uh john mara's sleepless nights uh but
06:10uh he's not going to meddle in letting joe shane do his job and by the way i don't believe joe shane
06:17is on the hot seat i've maintained that from the start of the season yeah i believe that
06:23he has he's made his mistakes we know that evan neal deontay banks both first round picks
06:31jalen hyatt third round pick traded up to get him um but there is more talent on this giants team and
06:40i believe this is the most talented giants team that joe shane and brian dable have had even more
06:47talented than the playoff team from 2022 i've maintained that ever since uh from training camp
06:55on but um look every gm makes mistakes i believe that uh mr mara does not want to uh overhaul the
07:06front office uh however that would mean that uh that brian dable is on much more of a hot seat than
07:13joe shane is and i think mr mara likes the structure that joe shane has set up i believe he likes the
07:21the depth behind joe shane uh brandon brown etc and um uh i expect joe shane to be the gm next season
07:32i cannot say the same thing about whether brian dable will be the coach next season you know i'm
07:38not ready to punt on jalen hyatt just yet i really felt like like if you were we i did a video yesterday
07:45for the post and we did like who i would want the giants to trade and i said jalen hyatt and it wasn't
07:53because i don't think he's good or oh he's not a fit for the giants i think that jalen hyatt would be
08:00the next giants player to go on somewhere else and have a little bit more success maybe not daniel jones
08:07or or saquon barkley's success but at least eric flowers success or eli apple success um you know
08:15because i i i'm not ready to punt on that kid but yeah man like i i'm i'm with you on that and i i tell
08:21people all the time like i really think joe shane like has has when he said we're this team is a
08:28quarterback away i really that was him kind of not so much puffing his chest out there but putting his
08:35resume out there like look what i've built we've got the potential defensive player of the year
08:42on that line you've got cave on you've got dexter lawrence who may not be playing up to his production
08:47but he's still dexter lawrence um you have potentially the offensive and defensive rookies
08:54of the year on this on this team so um yeah and don't forget don't forget that
09:01joe shane engineered a trade for brian burns yeah that kind of lost in the sauce so to speak
09:11while we're on the uh sauce gardener topic but uh that was a that was a bold and excellent uh move
09:20by joe shane which uh kind of was lost in the shadows last year when saquon was busy uh rushing
09:27for 2 000 yards and winning winning a super bowl but uh brian burns look i can't fault joe shane
09:34for valuing a pass rusher like brian burns over a running back even as great as saquon barkley is
09:44positional value use some of that money that you saved up for saquon to be able to restructure
09:52or extend brian burns on that contract and you look what he's able to do in his in his second year
09:58uh here with the giants we heard a lot of grumblings about kvon thibodeau all throughout the year
10:05buffalo could be calling atlanta could be calling there are teams out there who need a a pass rusher
10:11and kvon's one of those guys who i don't even think of as a as a pass rusher per se i think of him
10:17is just he's the he's a draymond green on that defensive line in terms of he does more than just
10:23rustic pastor plays the run pretty well and he's having himself a pretty solid season this year
10:28you heard some grumblings about his dexter lawrence does what could he be up on the trade block
10:33are you surprised joe shane didn't
10:38trade one of those guys or do you think that the ask just wasn't too high well i think if um
10:47joe shane was offered a first round pick i think he might have bitten on that and traded kvon um
10:54because he's gonna have to pay him soon um kvon is not the impact player that he was expected to be
11:03as the fifth overall pick uh in the draft but he's a solid foundational piece yeah you can win with
11:12with the right quarterback that looks like they have the right quarterback uh whether they have
11:17the right coaches in place uh to get the giants where they want to go is another question uh
11:25shane bowen obviously is on the hot seat and and should be and brian dabel two and seven again for
11:32the third straight year at some point you got to win games um so but joe shane's not on the hot seat and
11:39and it would have taken a first round pick if i was offered a first round pick for kvon i would
11:44have done it i would have taken the first round pick uh and as far as dexter lawrence sounds like
11:49you've been talking to carl banks brandon i've been reading the new york post right that was that was i
11:56did an interview with ryan dunleavy and he had you know dexter lawrence's not not so much his name on
12:02the block but he asked him does he still want to be here and dex said yeah so you know when you
12:07when we have this thing where we're thinking a player may be you know disgruntled or whatever
12:12you know his name gets thrown around i was just kind of figuring like maybe like who who knows
12:18because i mean if you look at it dexter lawrence is a different version of quinnon williams you know
12:24outside of that 2022 season dexter lawrence really hasn't had success here personal success but not
12:30team success so could that be could not so much disgruntled but can that get to a player yes it can
12:37get to a player but he looks at his himself as a glue guy here and joe shane obviously looks like
12:43that looks at him in the same manner and he's i mean i think that people would have been more upset
12:48with joe shane if he traded away dexter lawrence than people upset with darren muji for trading away
12:55quinnon williams oh no question um you know we see so often and we saw this with the jets trades
13:01today how a player can become disillusioned disenchanted and beaten down by all the losing
13:09the jets haven't made the playoffs in 15 years quinnon williams is in his seventh year of losing
13:16sauce gardner is in his fourth year of losing and now sauce gardner has a chance
13:22to go to the playoffs and maybe win a super bowl in indianapolis yeah
13:27that's for quinnon the cowboys in my view are not a super bowl team but um at least they'll have
13:33more of a chance than uh in this latest new york jets rebuild as far as dexter lawrence yeah he wants
13:42to be a hall of fame giant still wants to be and uh he's getting double teamed an awful lot even now
13:51and i don't believe his play is as bad as has been talked about but he is he is not the same player
14:00as far as making an impact and imposing his will on a game now whether that's his elbow whether that's
14:08his condition i don't know but this is no time to discard dexter lawrence uh who still has plenty
14:15of football left without a without a doubt he's a staple in that defensive line and if you were to
14:19trade him away i think brian burns numbers would take a hit with eight games away because he's the
14:26guy that's commanding the double team so in a year and i can't believe we even received still talking
14:32about dexter lawrence and all but i mean it's just one of those things where i have a group chat with
14:38some giants fans and a couple people posted his name in there and was like should we and i didn't
14:43even like didn't even entertain it and i can't believe that that's something that people were kind of
14:47thinking about i'm gonna backtrack a little bit here uh serby because two guys whose names were also
14:55floated around with being on the trade block and maybe needing a fresh a fresh start elsewhere
15:02evanil tay banks both first round picks as well why do you think joe shane decided to hold on
15:11to those two guys probably because uh teams offered a bag of chips for deontay banks uh which i might
15:21have accepted by the way uh the way he's been playing you know it makes you wonder what what
15:27what goes on during these pre-draft meetings uh what was it that these giants other than his physical
15:35tools how did deontay banks nail the interview prior to the draft because he's very you rarely see him
15:45in the locker room um he is not um a fan favorite of the media that covers the giants he has no interest
15:54in it and um you know it just seems like there's a lack of football character there and we see that
16:04we saw that with a different secondary coach a year ago and we saw that the uh sunday when he whiffed
16:14when he had no interest in tacking in uh tackling um robinson from the four years um that's unacceptable
16:21inexcusable um and that's why they've been hiding him on the bench as often as they can um it's just i
16:29if i if i were joe chain i would have bitten the bullet on that if someone had offered anything
16:34decent as far as evaniel he was the seventh pick in the draft can't get on the field uh
16:41it's finally active been been active most of the year there was high hopes for him in training camp
16:47maybe he could make a push for a starting guard position maybe he could be eric flowers the second
16:54but no can't beat out greg van roten and that's something that's not lost on opposing gms um he'll
17:03be somewhere else next year um and um again whether he can become eric flowers the second or not remains
17:11to be seen but you know there's a guy he was at one point evaniel was considered a possible number
17:18one overall pick in the nfl draft really yeah and um but his footwork was not cut out to be a tackle
17:27as it turned out talk about the draft being an inexact science it's just amazing all the mistakes
17:33that gms make with prospects that are hailed as can't miss and turn out to miss i wonder for the
17:43for the for the let's go back to the tate banks thing because who was the d coordinator who was
17:48conducting that interview well that was wink it was wink so it i'm thinking like that d coordinator
17:56with wink style and personality how tate banks is or was could have been good enough for a wink now you
18:05get a a coordinator change and you know i don't know anything about tate banks's relationship with
18:11shane bowen or whatever but i've played with players whose demeanor personality changes and is
18:20is affected with the different style of play they ask them to play is it right absolutely not and again
18:28i'm not saying tate banks is is doing that but that first year tate banks was showing personality in the
18:35locker room he was giving us interviews because i was still you know doing some giant stuff then and
18:40doing like the joking around i wonder what is it that happened you know when it came to him so if
18:47that's a one day fresh start somewhere else maybe he and wink reunites if wink comes back to the nfl
18:53maybe we'll see but but but again people wouldn't be upset if he was a fifth round pick or maybe even a
19:02fourth round pick that was a first round pick evan neal that was a first round pick as well so um
19:09well i think i think tate banks uh lost his confidence after wink martindale left uh the
19:16change in schemes etc less man um and i think he i think we're seeing a player who has totally
19:23lost his confidence and looks like he'd rather be anywhere but in a giant's uniform
19:28i just found out that ryan dunleavy our colleague has reported that the asking price for jalen waddle was
19:36a first round pick and if the giants were in a situation where they were let's say 500 right now
19:46at a 500 record then i would have been all i would have said yeah i would have said do it you know it
19:52would have been like the colts making a push i would have said do it because if you if the giants
19:56were 500 with jackson dart knowing that okay i could have had a jalen waddle waddle or someone a
20:03premier receiver of that caliber and then i have him for another year next year i would have i would
20:09have jumped on that but that cowboys game and that broncos game is just it's going to keep them up at
20:14night when they're when in the off season yeah waddle was a top 10 pick in the draft that devonta smith
20:22was drafted by the eagles when they jumped the giants for him and waddle waddle is a difference
20:29maker he's a game breaker and he would have been a fantastic compliment to malik neighbors next season
20:38and would have moved uh wandale robinson down to the number three receiver so now you've got three
20:46guys plus if theo johnson develops you've got some weapons for jackson dart and hopefully cam
20:54scadaboo comes back uh and joins tyrone tracy and hopefully for the giants sake joe shane can
21:01keep the offensive line functional at the very least the offer shane has improved the offensive line with
21:12the luminor at right tackle uh but there's more work to be done especially on the interior where john
21:19michael schmitz has not lived up to his second round billing uh and greg van roten it would be
21:26an ideal swing man inside i know we're supposed to be talking about what giants trades were made but
21:33there were none so we're looking ahead a little bit uh we got about what five minutes five or so
21:38minutes left serby so with that first round pick that joe shane has let's say he gets the stay of
21:44execution again when john mara comes and talks to you guys or what january 6 2026 because it was the
21:51the sixth this this following year uh i mean this 2025 year if he says all right we've got the stay of
21:57execution what does joe shane need to do or get with that first round pick next year what would you do
22:04um i would pick the best available offensive lineman i'm with you to protect jackson dart jackson dart
22:16as we have seen uh will risk life and limb on the football field and he you don't want him taking
22:26all the hits he's been taking he's been taking a pounding but he's such a tough kid but again it starts
22:33with the offensive line um i would re-sign john runyon depending on the cost he's a character guy
22:42quality guy uh a leader in that locker room uh and is young enough to play for a few more years
22:51and um but look they need a center they need a guard and hopefully i would like them to keep a
22:59luminor because if they don't they'll need a right tackle as well so to me it's offensive line of
23:05course they need a corner too uh they definitely need uh someone that they thought deontay banks
23:13would become uh they got a debo on the one side and the other side right now is bleak um and they're
23:21okay at safety although tyler newbin has taken a step back this year but it's no time to give up on him
23:29former second round pick so yeah offensive line all the way i'm with you and uh you're not a cordel
23:37flag i think cordel flott is having the better year out of all of them i think he has of right now
23:42he is the cb1 so um yes i i neglected to mention cordel flott but uh healthy if he that's right he's
23:54got to stay healthy um they got to put him on some weight program he's still too skinny in my view
23:59um but anyway he um yeah flott i i i should have mentioned him he's a keeper uh but they could use
24:07more they could use another corner if you got a chance to to draft a blue chip corner you do it but
24:12draft the offensive lineman first jordan renan just tweeted that his understanding is they made calls on
24:20some big players but decided it was best not to give up substantial draft capital what's the old
24:27saying what's the old saying sometimes the best trades are the one you ones you don't make yeah
24:33yeah and with again when you talked about that first round pick next year it has to be on the
24:39offensive line i want jermaine illuminor to stay he has dog in him there are times where some of the
24:45premier pass rushers will beat him but he's stable i would like to see things sure up on the inside
24:51because they keep running that that that inside run and if the name is not scadaboo it's just not
25:00getting any positive yardage so you would like to see a little bit more push in that interior and i
25:07would address the wide receiver and cornerback situation and free agency because i would yeah i would
25:13i know you just paid paulson adebo and you would love to get a young guy in there on the books maybe
25:18you draft one in the third round or one of the third or fourth round but i would like to bring in
25:23a guy that could come in and play right away because the last thing you want to see especially early in
25:30next year is the giants defensive line to have success but there's still big plays being made on the
25:36back end um offensive line wide receiver and corner and corner and should we go linebacker as well
25:44uh well you get micah mcfadden back right micah mcfadden gets nicked up you know mac micah mcfadden
25:53gets gets nicked up he's i in my opinion he's the best linebacker on that team when he plays but he
25:59gets nicked up a little bit too much yeah he does but linebacker is not a premium position okay
26:04offensive line wide receiver and cornerback uh another wide receiver for jackson dart and another
26:11cornerback to hedge yourself against cordell flott uh becoming uh injured again um so yeah let's do
26:19offensive line wide receiver corner in that order i'm with it serby wrap this up man final thought
26:25eight weeks into the season the giants don't make any splash moves at the trade deadline now what
26:32uh well the most the thing i'm most heartened about is that joe shane did not attempt to trade
26:41brandon london that's what i'm most heartened about uh now what well good luck you're blaming me for
26:52the 49ers fans taking over i was getting the crowd i was getting everybody riled up yeah but when you
26:58were raising your arms like that the 49er fans thought they were talking and then you were
27:03talking to them yeah now what was that like for you i'm just curious uh it was i honestly i was i was
27:11done by the time because it was fourth quarter so i'm done and i'm in my suit getting ready for the
27:16post game show with paul dittino uh on msg and one of our producers when we heard it she was like oh wow
27:24i can't believe that they're saying let's go giants and i'm like look around that's all right
27:30it's not those red jerseys i want the giants to wear they're not saying let's go giants and then
27:35and then she was like oh and it was it was awkward and i haven't seen anything like that since a couple
27:42years ago the seahawks game when the seahawks fans came up you couldn't hush them up i wish but
27:48unfortunately i am only one man it takes it's football players that's got to shut shut up
27:54that's a good point but that brings that brings us to the next home game uh if the giants return home
28:02two and eight you're gonna say what's that green bay's coming in town right you're gonna see a lot
28:10of packer fans a lot of cheese heads in at met life oh man that is not going to bode well for
28:18brian dable's future so be nice for dable if they can go into chicago and surprise caleb williams
28:27uh but don't return home two and eight uh and expect uh no planes overhead or massive amount of
28:36cheese heads in the stadium because that's something mr mara pays attention to as much as anything else
28:43the giant fans giving up apathy towards his team and that's the last thing that brian dable can
28:53afford yep because what did he say with the host they could have traded saquon at that deadline but
28:58he didn't want people what he said he didn't want people he he like they wanted to keep saquon so
29:04people would still kind of show up to rally behind the player but if there's most popular player you
29:12saw more jerseys in the stands than any any other uh so yeah um apathy for your for the owner is a
29:23death knell for the coach absolutely well the giants as you guys know now absolutely quiet on the trade
29:29deadline like jordan renan tweeted they reached out they made some calls on some big players but they
29:34decided it was in their best interest not to give up some substantial draft capital so what the roster
29:41is is what the roster is going to be going forward minus some practice squad pickups some cuts that sort
29:48of nature but at 27 it's got to hit a home run in next year's draft got to hit a home run in next
29:53year's draft so for steve survey i'm brandon london thank you guys for watching tonight's blue rush
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