Feeling overwhelmed by constant notifications? Drowning in screen time? In this episode of "What Do You Have to Say?", Phillip and Uriah tackle the challenge of smartphone dependency head-on. They explore the radical idea of a digital detox—specifically, switching to a "dumb phone" to reclaim focus, improve mental well-being, and escape the grip of the attention economy.
Hear their personal struggles with phone addiction, the societal pressures to stay constantly connected, and the potential life-changing benefits of unplugging. Could ditching your smartphone be the key to a more present, mindful, and truly connected life? Tune in for a candid discussion that might inspire you to rethink your relationship with technology. #DigitalDetox #DumbPhone #ScreenTime #PhoneAddiction #MentalWellbeing #MindfulTech #Unplug #MinimalistTech #WDYH2S #Podcast
Keywords
Digital Detox, Smartphone Dependency, Phone Addiction, Screen Time, Dumb Phone, Feature Phone, Basic Phone, Technology Addiction, Mental Well-being, Mindful Technology Use,Ditching Smartphone, Quit Smartphone, Reduce Screen Time, Unplugging, Disconnecting, Reclaim Focus, Improve Attention Span, Living Offline, Tech Minimalism, Minimalist Tech
Takeaways
Phillip considers switching to a dumb phone to reduce screen time.
Uriah shares his experience with smartphone dependency.
The conversation highlights the impact of technology on mental health.
Phillip discusses the attention economy and its effects.
Uriah talks about the challenges of reducing phone usage.
The hosts explore the idea of living without smartphones.
Phillip reflects on the nostalgia of older technology.
Uriah mentions the societal pressure to stay connected.
The discussion includes the benefits of disconnecting from technology.
Phillip and Uriah emphasize the importance of mindful technology use.
Hear their personal struggles with phone addiction, the societal pressures to stay constantly connected, and the potential life-changing benefits of unplugging. Could ditching your smartphone be the key to a more present, mindful, and truly connected life? Tune in for a candid discussion that might inspire you to rethink your relationship with technology. #DigitalDetox #DumbPhone #ScreenTime #PhoneAddiction #MentalWellbeing #MindfulTech #Unplug #MinimalistTech #WDYH2S #Podcast
Keywords
Digital Detox, Smartphone Dependency, Phone Addiction, Screen Time, Dumb Phone, Feature Phone, Basic Phone, Technology Addiction, Mental Well-being, Mindful Technology Use,Ditching Smartphone, Quit Smartphone, Reduce Screen Time, Unplugging, Disconnecting, Reclaim Focus, Improve Attention Span, Living Offline, Tech Minimalism, Minimalist Tech
Takeaways
Phillip considers switching to a dumb phone to reduce screen time.
Uriah shares his experience with smartphone dependency.
The conversation highlights the impact of technology on mental health.
Phillip discusses the attention economy and its effects.
Uriah talks about the challenges of reducing phone usage.
The hosts explore the idea of living without smartphones.
Phillip reflects on the nostalgia of older technology.
Uriah mentions the societal pressure to stay connected.
The discussion includes the benefits of disconnecting from technology.
Phillip and Uriah emphasize the importance of mindful technology use.
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01:53Right, right, and thank you for pushing play today, and what, hey, it's about what do you have to say?
02:00Yep.
02:00You want to dive right into it?
02:02Yep.
02:03All righty, so, what do you have to say about ditching your smartphone for a dumb phone?
02:11So, it's just something that I have been thinking about for a while, what about ditching your smartphone, we know how attached we are, for a dumb phone, so, and even why did this come up?
02:26Because, like, because, like, many of us, you know, you have, I don't know if, does Android give you a notification about your screen time every week?
02:39A notification?
02:40Did you say a notification?
02:41For your screen, how much your screen time was on your phone, on your device?
02:45I turned it off.
02:46Oh, okay, Apple, Apple, I get one every Sunday, I'm sitting on the organ playing, and I get a notification, your screen time, from, probably from both devices, the Mac and my phone, and it's like, sometimes it's five hours a day, average five hours a day, or sometimes it's really low to three hours a day, so.
03:10Is it your phone and computer, or just your phone?
03:13I believe that it is both devices.
03:15Okay.
03:16And, which, I know that I'm not a lot on my Mac, so, I'm not that much on my phone, unless I'm listening to, well, I commute, so I listen to podcasts on the way, so, and videos from YouTube, so I know why my screen time is that high.
03:35And then, sometimes it's just scrolling, and watching videos, but it always kind of, I want to decrease that screen time, and it got me to thinking, do I want to ditch my smartphone for a dumb phone?
03:53So, I did a little checking out, and.
03:56You are, I mean, you brought up the topic, but you were really considering ditching a smartphone?
04:03I really had, I really, I really am, I will say, just because of how we are attached to it, and how I am attached to it, and how much, how many things and transactions that we do with that phone, and how many, even in this short amount of time, that we have had iPhone or smartphones, how much it has increased in advance.
04:29You, you can pay on your phone, you have your credit card on your phone, or your debit card on your phone, and you can swipe there, or, I mean, there's GPS, how could we make it without GPS on our telephones?
04:42But we did, I mean, there was a time when I was printing off MapQuest, I don't know if you remember MapQuest, and, I mean, and then, how to read a map.
04:53I'm sure you know, we're of that age, where we learn how to navigate these highways and interstates and byways by a map, and that is, it's a lost art to me.
05:06I believe that, you know, we, learning how to read a map, and that was fun, taking road trips with our parents and so forth, but without we have GPS, we would be lost.
05:20Lost.
05:21Completely lost, but just in our, our, our smartphone, I'm, I'm not completely sold just yet, but, um, I just, I think that we are, like I said before, we're just too attached to it, but there are some things that I'm doing to decrease my, my usage, like, um, um, like turning off my ringer.
05:45So, so, I don't have that, it makes me think of Pavlov's dog, and the stimulus and response from it, so, I don't know how you feel.
05:56I can't see your ringer being off.
05:57You know, uh, and it's off all the time, and I tell people, I do not turn it on unless I'm expecting someone to come in, you know, call me in our return call, because that bell notification, when that goes off, what, it gives us that automatically, um, that, I don't know, it's a neurological response or something that, I gotta get to it.
06:22I gotta get to it, and, um, we, it conditions us, and I didn't want to have that much control over me, um, and, because I'm a, if it dings, I'm going to it, and I'm sure a lot of people, how about you, if it dings, or do you have your ringer on, or do you turn it off?
06:43My, my, my, my ringer is on, um, when I'm, when I'm working, um, it is off, or what I will do is I will keep my, I'll keep my ringer on, I just put my phone on Bluetooth and put the speaker in another room, so I can still hear it go off, but it's not interrupting what I'm doing in the room.
07:10Okay, so, do you automatically feel a lot, a little twinge to go and get it, or to see who, oh, don't, don't you, do you have, uh, can you see it on your watch, smart watch?
07:24Yeah, uh, you're, you're Apple, I'm Android, and I do have a smart watch, that's the one thing I, I would like to turn off, I should turn the ringer off on my phone, but sometimes, you know, when you're out and you've left your phone,
07:37or having that notification, or being able to hear it on your phone is a good thing.
07:44I can turn off that ringer very quickly on my watch, but, you know, sometimes you're fumbling to turn off the ringer when it rings inappropriately.
07:54Inappropriate ride, ride, ride.
07:55But no, I, I don't, when I hear it, I don't, I don't have that urge to go answer it.
08:02I just want to know when it's ringing so that I can get to it and answer, because my, my, my job entails, like, maybe some people might need me to get in touch with them.
08:14Right, right, right, and I can see that in case of, uh, you know, your emergency or profession or whatever, have it on for those, those reasons, but I, I still just do not want to be tied to it, that, and, um, people will call me, and they'll, like, you're not answering your phone.
08:35I'm like, it's not, I don't have it glued to my hand, and, and, and sometimes I do have my phone in my hand, you know, but sometimes I don't, but I'm really conscious about, and I'm sure there's others, if you're out there and you are, you know, you're, you're concerned about, you know, how much screen time you're on, I, I think it's more, um, um, you know, a lot more people think about that as, as, uh, they would like to admit.
09:05That, that, that we are tied to our phone, because, I mean, what activities do we do without it?
09:12Um, it's very few, um, even if it was sitting up, do you pick up, do you, uh, scroll through your phone when you're at the stoplight?
09:23You know what, I got challenged once, this has been four or five years ago, I was in a training, um, and, you know, you're meeting new people, and you're just talking about things.
09:35And there was a point in time, even before the law was enacted, or maybe it was in California not to have your phone.
09:43I was like, I don't care, I'm going to drive, and I can drive and read my text.
09:47And I, and I told somebody, I, I remember this, uh, this young woman telling me, she, she, she challenged me on it.
09:56And from that day on, I was like, I will pick up my phone at a stoplight, but I put my phone down while I'm driving.
10:07Because she really impressed with me that it was dangerous, and it is dangerous.
10:12It's dangerous.
10:13It's dangerous.
10:14It, it, it can happen in a split second.
10:17It's a split, I mean, you put your head down, it's, and I'm on the highway.
10:22So, when I see that sign, there, in fact, today, I'm just being more conscientious of not picking up my phone while I'm driving, and definitely not trying to text while I'm driving.
10:34But I, um, on the way home, there are signs, you know, on the highway to, um, to guard against that.
10:41It said, one text or one call can ruin it all, or something, some kind of catchphrase like that.
10:48And I thought about, I mean, today, when I was driving home, and I thought about that, and I was intentional, you know, I had my phone plugged up, and I put on a longer YouTube video to get me, you know, farther down the road, because I didn't want to pick it up.
11:02Because yesterday morning, I was driving, and there was a whole 18-wheeler in the median, in, on the, in the middle of the road, middle, and, um, it was turned over.
11:17I mean, a whole 18-wheeler with the cab all crushed in and everything, and I was like, in a split second, just what, you know, could happen.
11:29So, being intentional, it is, um, it's true.
11:33Yep.
11:33It can, it can.
11:34And, um, we're just, I see people with their phones in their hands, and they're driving.
11:41And it's just, um, it's, it can be a problem.
11:47But, anyway, would you ditch your smartphone for a, uh, for, for a dumb phone?
11:54But we're going to find out what a dumb phone is, uh, in that first clip, man.
11:59It talks about just how we are kind of attached so much to, to our, uh, our devices.
12:06And, uh, we'll see.
12:09Let me pull that up really quick here.
12:11Okay, please do.
12:11Yes, yes, yes.
12:13Because I keep reaching for my phone, even when I'm out of boredom or, um, just to feel, we need to be stimulated every, almost every second of it.
12:26But, um, would you ditch your smartphone?
12:30I'm not there yet.
12:31Let me see.
12:32Where is it at?
12:33Yeah.
12:34Oh, there we go.
12:34And.
12:38Yeah, that's it right there.
12:39That's it right here?
12:40Okay.
12:40Yes, yes, yes, that's it.
12:48And I'm not hearing anything.
12:51Uh-oh.
12:53Oh.
12:54But, yeah, I, um, she said some interesting things.
12:59Just, um, opening the video to, you know, I keep reaching for my phone.
13:04And even, even though I know that I don't have a notification, but I just reach for it out of habit.
13:11Yeah.
13:12And, um, it is like we have been trained.
13:15And, um, the, the producers, even, um, Android and, and, um, Apple have, are really smart on how to train us for, to use that, that device.
13:29And, um, it's, it's amazing, but the, um, there, I think the guys' names are Daisy and Will and Daisy.
13:40In the second clip, they are from California and they have a store that sells smartphones and, I mean, dumb phones and dumb technology or lighting technology.
13:54And, um.
13:54Let's see if this comes up really quick.
13:56Okay.
13:57All right.
13:57There's a, there's a, there's a little tech glitch and I'm not really sure.
14:00It's okay.
14:01Yeah.
14:07That's not it.
14:08Oh, we can hear that again, too.
14:09That's good.
14:10Oh, that's Will.
14:11Oh, there we go.
14:15Let's start it again.
14:15Daisy and Will from their home in Los Angeles have started up dumb wireless to sell low-tech devices and help people who want to revert back to a somewhat similar existence.
14:25Oh, flip phone.
14:26Really?
14:27Wow.
14:30Can a lot of, they say that that is, that is a demand for, to have a flip phone.
14:36And I don't know if I want to go back that far because trying to text, can you remember trying to text on a flip phone?
14:45Oh.
14:47Such a lot.
14:48It was a matter of fact that yes, because I didn't like the text because it was not easy.
14:53It was not easy.
14:55You got to push, put you, it was just too complicated for me.
15:00Too complicated.
15:01You know, and taking pictures with it, the camera was abysmal because it just was not, the tech had not caught up to it, you know.
15:14So, but they sell in Los Angeles, they say they have a pretty big market for dumb technology that is just basic.
15:24And I remember those, those digital cameras.
15:27And I remember the film cameras, they took some pretty good pictures.
15:31I have to be honest with you.
15:32They did.
15:33Let me tell you, I, I just came across some old cameras, old tech, if you will, in my, in my mom's house.
15:44And it was an eight millimeter camera and some old, old Polaroid camera.
15:53Oh man.
15:54So that made me think about that because now no one knows about even having a digital camera with them because it's in our phone.
16:02It's in our phone.
16:04Everything is in.
16:05Right.
16:05Right.
16:06But yeah, those old Polaroids, that's, that's, what about the, the instant camera?
16:11The instant one that came out the bottom of the, uh, yeah, yeah, those, those didn't take too bad pictures.
16:19I, I mean, but that was the instant, you know, and just things had to, technology had to catch up.
16:25But I really liked what they had to say that, um, some people want to simplify a move away from, um, the smartphone and texting is a challenge.
16:38So what is that going to do?
16:39That's going to reduce your screen time, your text time.
16:43And, um, uh, having a, uh, a dumb phone is, I think it has its advantages and disadvantages, but like I say, I'm not there yet, but it's just something to think about.
16:56Would you, would you want to sacrifice that?
16:59You know, but, um, there's a company that makes, um, on, on the next clip, clip three, it has, that has, um, um, a dumb phone and it, it, it, it just kind of better explains it all together.
17:13And I really liked the way they presented them.
17:16Okay.
17:17Pure and simple phone that has the tools I need, but it avoids the distractions that I don't.
17:22Turn it on and it has nine apps and there's no app icons.
17:25It's just words.
17:26And it's very peaceful.
17:27It's very simple.
17:28See how blank that screen is.
17:29It's nothing on there.
17:30Oh yeah.
17:30It's good for us.
17:31And that's what we're putting on our phone instead of just anything and everything that might.
17:35He says something powerful.
17:37It's actually sucking the life out of us.
17:38So why aren't the big phone companies also jumping on this trend simply said, they built themselves on the attention economy.
17:46The app store revenue for Apple is billions, billions of dollars and Googles and thing billions of dollars.
17:53If they were to come out with something like billions of dollars, cannibalize their market.
17:58But he said something, he says something about, I don't know what's, what's jumped out at you or resonates with you, but he said the attention economy.
18:07That's where I was going to go.
18:09Attention economy.
18:10Okay.
18:11Yeah.
18:12It is.
18:13Can you believe that our time and attention is valuable or they, they want to, to frame it as a limited resource.
18:23And that's why marketers have jumped on it, but that's what jumped out at me that I think of limit of valuable resources as oil or water or gas or something from the earth.
18:37But it says our, our, our attention is a limited natural resource.
18:42And I'm like, Oh, you know, in, in that clip, when I was looking at that, he went on to say something like, because he's talking about like primarily Apple and Google that they, they don't mean to do that.
18:56Yes, they do.
18:58Yes, they do.
18:59And I, yes, that's what he said.
19:01Yes.
19:01Yes.
19:02They want you to stay on it, stay on it.
19:05As long as, um, if he, the algorithm and the algorithm will feed you exactly what you need or what you think that you think that you want.
19:15Um, and it's, it's strange.
19:18This is what I found perplexing is, um, I will go to a site, like I will go to Macy's on YouTube or on my Google or something.
19:30And guess what?
19:31That same advertisement will be on my Facebook page.
19:35It'll be on my Instagram page.
19:37It will be on my other Facebook page, you know, and it's like, wow, I've started getting advertisements from it.
19:43And that's, but sometimes that stuff is spooky because not only, not, not only that they're just reading and you're being tracked, the things that you look at what you buy, but I'm sure you've experienced it.
19:56Like a lot of people have where you're thinking about something and then the next thing you know, you get an advertisement for that thing.
20:05Now that's creepy.
20:07That's creepy.
20:08And that has happened.
20:10And I usually shut down and stop going, looking on spice.
20:15I really have been mindful of not to click on things that, um, number one, try to sell me something or, um, get me to spend money.
20:26Uh, I just, uh, I've been intentional not to do that, but our, our attention is a limited resource.
20:35And they capitalized on it.
20:37And what did he say?
20:38They make billions of dollars.
20:41What if that all went away?
20:43And, um, I mean, even the price of smartphones are, are just on the increase and who knows what they're going to be in a couple of months.
20:53Oh, Apple phones are going to be, first off, I just have to disclose your Apple on Google, neither one are necessarily better than the other, but Apple is, Apple is greedy ass.
21:07They are, they are, they are, I have to say.
21:13Um, and the product is relatively the same from my first, okay.
21:18My first introduction, I was Android forever.
21:21I was, uh, and I was satisfied and I told my sister, I would never get the iPhone.
21:30And then I got an iPhone 10 and I, that was a wrap, you know, and I've only bought two iPhones.
21:39So the 10 and the 14, which I have now.
21:43And I, if, if I can hold onto that one in forever, because I don't believe that I'm paying no two thousand, three thousand times, but I'm not paying, uh, unless they, they got to come shut that one off.
21:56Uh, because that's enough.
21:59Oh, you'll pay for it.
22:00I will.
22:01Hold on.
22:02You'll pay for it when they say we no longer support this phone.
22:07Right.
22:07Right.
22:08Well, man, I'll, I'll give me a track phone.
22:11Okay.
22:14Something basic phone, because it, all I need to do is, um, talk and text maybe.
22:22Yeah.
22:22You know, but, um, and would you ever go back to a flip phone?
22:28I want to backtrack.
22:30Do you ever, do you think you would?
22:32Listen, um, I, I was always raised to say, don't ever say what you ain't going to do.
22:37Cause you always don't end up doing it anyhow.
22:41But I, I could not see myself rocking a flip phone.
22:45Okay.
22:45Okay.
22:45I couldn't.
22:46Now, who knows what, what lies ahead in the future.
22:50Right.
22:51Right.
22:51Right.
22:51But I can't see myself just doing a flip phone.
22:54Right.
22:54Right.
22:54But do you know, like there was a trend that was trying to kind of great, gaining traction
22:59with some Gen Z people that would, um, they were having flip phones.
23:07They were going to flip phones and trying to make it cool.
23:10There were some artists out there trying to make it cool, which yeah, I, it didn't catch
23:15on.
23:15I think that was a, maybe a year and a half ago, year.
23:18It didn't, it didn't go anywhere.
23:20Didn't go anywhere.
23:21It's not, but, um, there was some guys, I looked at some video about, um, after he
23:28had downgraded to, um, a flip phone and he really made some really good things made sense
23:35about downgrading down grading and, um, what it taught him and what he learned and his is
23:42a really resonated with what he was saying and why he did it.
23:46And I understand because he said it was ruining his life.
23:50I mean, every, it was, you'll see, you'll see.
23:54Um, he was, he was maybe 20 before 25 at least running his life, ruin his life.
24:02I know.
24:03I mean, doesn't that seem just so colossal big, but I, but I can see that, that it was
24:11ruined in his life, but, um, he, he downgraded it and I'll let you let you hear what it said.
24:21Um, I think it's four.
24:22Why in a world where technology is pretty much intertwined with everything we do, would
24:31I do this to myself?
24:32Yes.
24:33Well, the answer is pretty simple.
24:37This thing, it was killing my soul.
24:41It was the first thing I'd look at when I woke up and the last thing I'd look at before
24:47I went to bed.
24:48It filled the boring moments and even the exciting ones sometimes.
24:54Look at that scene, man, that, you know, all of it, it seems like some of that is ruined,
25:02um, just with the phones.
25:05I know we want to capture certain moments in our lives and everything, but with, I don't
25:11know.
25:12What are your thoughts?
25:13Those, I'd agree with what he said.
25:15Well, I, I can understand.
25:20I don't understand that feel or that need, but I can understand that for him, whoever
25:26he is, uh, the way he thinks maybe his outlook in life that he came to a realization that
25:33being attached to the phone, I mean, because listen, um, most people, most children that
25:42are born within the, I'm just saying the past five years, probably a little bit longer,
25:46they are born with a tablet.
25:49They know how to get to their favorite YouTube channel.
25:53They know how to pull up that video.
25:54They know how to swipe.
25:55They know how to do that.
25:56So they live with that.
25:58Now that's probably normalized, but for some people like this guy, that probably seems
26:04to be sensitive to that and some other stuff.
26:08And maybe he likes more nature and stuff like that.
26:11He sees that as killing him.
26:14Right.
26:15Right.
26:15Or stealing his soul or whatever.
26:17He said, yeah.
26:17Right.
26:18Right.
26:18And, you know, you brought up the children that are, they, they're bought, that's what
26:25they're given.
26:26They're not given a pacifier.
26:27They're given a telephone, you know, or a tablet and you work it out and this pacifies
26:33you.
26:33And I, I don't believe that it, that is best for a brain, a developing brain.
26:41Um, and developmentally, this is, I just believe that it is teaching and, um, teaching your child
26:50and, um, you know, building pathways in their brain and developing pathways where it's that
26:57dopamine is that constant dopamine because I teach children and when they have, even today,
27:05they have finished an assignment and they're like, what's next?
27:10What's next?
27:11What's next?
27:12What are we doing next?
27:13What, you know, and I'm like, that's, that's that dopamine kind of, you know, overstimulation
27:19and never have to be bored or never have to, and we're talking about bored.
27:24Is that what he's talking, is that what he's talking about in those, in this?
27:27I think that, um, I think that it could be, um, because we are, he said the first thing
27:35that he does in the morning, grabs his phone.
27:37The first thing, the last thing that he does at night is on his phone.
27:42Um, that's, that's some, um, having to be stimulated all the time, uh, or to try to fill
27:50those empty spaces, um, like taking, as you mentioned in the very beginning, the, the
27:56amount of time that you're on per day.
27:58Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
28:00And he, um, he, I think he said that he was on five, five hours, five hours a day on his,
28:07uh, device.
28:08But, um, his screen time.
28:11Oh yeah.
28:12He talks about his screen time time in, um, clip five.
28:16Um, and I think that he kind of puts some perspective on, on how he does that.
28:21All right.
28:22But I probably use my phone for less than an hour a day compared to the six, seven hours
28:29I had used on my smartphone.
28:32That's an amazing improvement.
28:34You're basically stealing five hours back on your day.
28:38And these five hours can be spent doing something more intentional and meaningful than scrolling
28:45through TikTok for four hours.
28:48Four.
28:49And okay, go ahead.
28:50What do you want to say?
28:51Those are fighting words for some people.
28:53Those are fighting words.
28:55They are.
28:56No, no.
28:57I know.
28:59And I know.
29:01I, I just.
29:02As a person that wants to be more productive and realizing that, you know, five hours on
29:11the device is, is just not, you know, instead of being a consumer, you know, and, um, instead
29:19of, um, creating more.
29:21On the flip side.
29:21On the flip side.
29:22I'm standing for the people that I'm wondering, is there, for some people they can be on their
29:29phones and maybe there's a debate here and be somewhat productive.
29:34Like I've, my phone is with me the majority of the day from the time I wake up from the
29:40time that I go to bed sometimes.
29:43Right.
29:44And I, if I don't have it near me, I'm looking for, and I'm, I have it when I'm watching TV,
29:50I'm playing solitaire or something.
29:52It's with me a lot.
29:55So I could not sit.
29:59Now, here's the funny thing in that.
30:00Okay.
30:01There are some times I'm getting much better.
30:03If I've left my house and I left my phone, I used to turn around.
30:07Maybe on a mile or two, I'll leave it now.
30:11Okay.
30:12So in that respect, I can leave it.
30:15Okay.
30:16Um, well, you know, this, this week I left my phone at the house, um, but I had to go
30:23back.
30:23I hadn't left the house yet.
30:25Um, but I had to get it because I'm on the highway.
30:29So, um, for that reason, but I have left it, um, and not gone back to get it and just,
30:36you know, um, I, I really wasn't tracking how I felt without it.
30:42Um, but now since it is kind of like in my top of mind to me to, uh, see how much my
30:49screen time is, I think I'll leave it if I'm here in town, but if I'm on, if I'm going
30:54to work or highway, I'll, I'll take it.
30:58I don't want to divert the conversation here, but I have a question cause I know there's another
31:02clip and then, you know, uh, but I am, I'm wondering if the way would you, somebody that
31:11could have lived out in the wilderness?
31:13Me?
31:14Yeah.
31:15Could I?
31:16Yes.
31:17Really?
31:19Yes.
31:19We have to talk cause I'm finding out a whole lot about you.
31:24Okay.
31:25Yes.
31:26Maybe that's something to talk about.
31:27I'm curious about that.
31:28It is.
31:29Yeah.
31:29The fact that you're, I mean, not just because you're considering really downgrading your
31:37reliance on smartphones and stuff like that, but that ability to, to cut yourself off.
31:45Off.
31:46Yeah.
31:47And, and, you know, um, that is, leads me to.
31:52In a healthy way.
31:53In a healthy way.
31:54Exactly.
31:55Um, because we do need social interaction and community.
31:59I understand that.
32:00And I, I need that.
32:01And I'm, I'm human.
32:02I need that.
32:02Uh, sometimes, and then sometimes I need some solitude and some peace to decompress and
32:09everything.
32:09But I mean, that's why I'm learning to grow, um, vegetables and, oh man, uh, the next time
32:17that we talk about growing, I mean, I'm, I'm really super excited where I am and, uh, with
32:22that, but yeah, so I can be sustainable.
32:25I, I don't want to pay.
32:27Um, I was at the grocery store today and I saw a watermelon for $11, a watermelon for
32:36$11.
32:38That's why I have my raised bed in the backyard, getting prepared.
32:41And my little plot that's for my fall garden, because I can't do it.
32:47I just, I can't, but, um, would I be able to sustain that and live?
32:52Um, I think so.
32:55I think so.
32:56But, um, the last, last clip, let's, let's try to wrap this up.
33:01Um, he just really puts his, um, all of it, just wraps it up together.
33:08I had his downgrading, uh, outro.
33:11And he says, he says, we live in such a beautiful world with so many cool things to see and so
33:18many amazing things to do and getting rid of my smartphone has made me less distracted
33:24from all this beauty.
33:26So I'll leave you with this.
33:28Why live in a virtual world when the real one is already so beautiful?
33:35I don't know.
33:36That's, and I know that may sound, I can't see it on your face.
33:42It's, it's like, really, but that works for him, you know, and this world is, it is beautiful.
33:50And, you know, uh, and I mean, we could have conversations about how we are in the house
33:59or we are, you know, just in our own little play world, you know, a world and not out exploring
34:06and like, um, and I just think about the kids that are not outside and, um, and experiencing
34:15what we have.
34:17But, you know, I get, I, I, I would love to speak with him because, you know, he, he has
34:23just a different way of viewing things just as a different way, right?
34:26He feels like he needs to put his phone down for me.
34:29I, from the invent of smartphones, when the, the camera and the smartphone is, has been
34:38better than a digital phone for a very long time, except for the very expensive ones.
34:44But the, the, the camera on my pixel nine XL pro is phenomenal.
34:49And when I go out in the world, I take photos.
34:53So for me, I experienced the world, but I experienced it with my camera and taking photos.
34:59Photos.
35:00I, I understand.
35:01Now it's behind the camera and with my eyes.
35:05Right.
35:05And I, I understand.
35:07And I understand what he is saying as well.
35:10Why, you know, limit yourself, um, when this beautiful world is out here and that helped
35:17him, um, really downgrade.
35:20He doesn't say that he's, he has, I think it was just like an experiment for him.
35:26Um, I don't know if he has a smartphone now, but, um, would, what would you do?
35:32What do you have to say about downgrading from a smartphone to a dumb phone?
35:38Um, so I'm not all the way, what does Judy says?
35:42No, it's just something to think about and, you know, just, just, you know, just, um, just,
35:53and I, we'd like to hear what your thoughts are about, um, if you would downgrade.
35:59Oh, you weren't talking to me.
36:00You was talking to, I was talking to you too.
36:02And everybody that's watching, would you, um, would you do that?
36:08Because, um, Hey, some of you may have questions and, um, have considered, you know, it's all
36:14about, for me, it was about the screen time and to being attached to that device.
36:20And would I, would I do go that far, but I don't know.
36:24It's up in the air.
36:25We'll see.
36:25I do a little more research and we'll see.
36:28Hey, absolutely.
36:29Absolutely.
36:30You know, I was thinking we need, we need to talk about the beautiful world.
36:35I think that's a conversation that we could have because there's a lot to say about the
36:40beautiful world.
36:41Yeah.
36:41Oh man.
36:42I got you.
36:44All right, man.
36:46All right.
36:46We'll talk to you.
36:47Till the next time.
36:48Okay.
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