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A rich and precise history of alleged alien abductions of human beings is sorted out, from hoaxes to some of the most credible cases on record.
Alien Abduction. Is it a positive experience? A negative one? Is it even a real thing? With so many debatable cases, most of them years in the past, is it even possible to know the truth? Join Darcy Weir and Lee Lustig on another Occult Journey in BEING TAKEN, the new film in the BEYOND THE SPECTRUM series. Explore the rich and detailed history of supposed alien abductions and the most credible cases from a whole new perspective. Taking into account the history of supposed extraterrestrial visitation as a whole, this documentary provides sound arguments that alien abduction cannot be explained away by things like sleep paralysis and may actually be happening as abductees say it is. Revisit credible, high-level military personnel who have claimed witness to UFO crashes and extraterrestrial beings. Take a deep dive into the psychology of alien abductees along with that of Ufologists. And learn the very reasons why people believe in alien abduction and what it means to be an abductee. Featuring new interviews with Stanton Friedman, Travis Walton, Stephen Bassett, Dean Alioto, and Kathleen Marden (niece of Betty Hill) recounting her own alien abduction experience on camera for the very first time, this is an alien abduction documentary that you will surely be taken by.
Alien Abduction. Is it a positive experience? A negative one? Is it even a real thing? With so many debatable cases, most of them years in the past, is it even possible to know the truth? Join Darcy Weir and Lee Lustig on another Occult Journey in BEING TAKEN, the new film in the BEYOND THE SPECTRUM series. Explore the rich and detailed history of supposed alien abductions and the most credible cases from a whole new perspective. Taking into account the history of supposed extraterrestrial visitation as a whole, this documentary provides sound arguments that alien abduction cannot be explained away by things like sleep paralysis and may actually be happening as abductees say it is. Revisit credible, high-level military personnel who have claimed witness to UFO crashes and extraterrestrial beings. Take a deep dive into the psychology of alien abductees along with that of Ufologists. And learn the very reasons why people believe in alien abduction and what it means to be an abductee. Featuring new interviews with Stanton Friedman, Travis Walton, Stephen Bassett, Dean Alioto, and Kathleen Marden (niece of Betty Hill) recounting her own alien abduction experience on camera for the very first time, this is an alien abduction documentary that you will surely be taken by.
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00:00:00The number of UFO sightings in Canada is soaring tenfold over the past 25 years.
00:00:24UFO over China.
00:00:25According to reports, an airport in Inner Mongolia was forced to shut down to prevent passenger jets from crashing into the unidentified flying object.
00:00:34The craft I saw was silver in colour. It was round. It did come down on the ground.
00:00:41Even though I didn't see it on the ground, I saw the marks that it left later on that day.
00:00:47Right out in front of us is this huge craft.
00:00:51I felt this energy go through me. It's like nothing I've ever experienced before in my life.
00:00:57It was like some sort of low-level frequency that came in waves, but it was so dense that I could actually physically feel it going through my body.
00:01:06And they came charging across the field.
00:01:08It was just like we were paralyzed. He couldn't move and I couldn't move.
00:01:13But there's three robot-looking creatures that floated out.
00:01:18They didn't walk. They just kind of glided out of the craft and come over.
00:01:21And two got a hold of me and one got a hold of Charlie and they took us inside.
00:01:26They did an examination. They put us back out of the same place we were, facing the water.
00:01:32When it took off, it didn't make hardly any noise at all. You just heard like a zipping noise.
00:01:37It was zip. And that was it. And it was gone.
00:01:40Now, I'm a nuclear physicist. I want the facts. That's what I want, is evidence.
00:01:50And I also say sometimes you have to keep a gray basket, I call it.
00:01:56Not black, not white. People want a yes or no answer to everything.
00:01:59But sometimes I'm saying, I don't have enough data.
00:02:02Who knows? Things are complicated. UFOs aren't simple things.
00:02:06Human beings are addicted to war.
00:02:07One of the fundamental things going on and the reasons for their presence here is intervention.
00:02:12Don't think of this as some kind of sci-fi, magical, wowie-zowie sort of thing, shock and awe.
00:02:19I'm saying, just think of them as these people from way over there that we don't know too much about.
00:02:25Is alien abduction cool? Or is it a terrible experience?
00:02:30Woo!
00:02:31Are aliens really taking us?
00:02:35Or is this just dreams and hallucinations?
00:02:38Is abduction even still a thing?
00:02:40Why don't we hear as much about it these days?
00:02:43Although Hollywood normally depicts alien abduction in a horrifying light,
00:02:48abduction stories, positive and negative, have been told by hundreds if not thousands of people.
00:02:54Is this experience something unreal that we've created in our minds?
00:02:59Or is this actually part of our collective reality?
00:03:02It's no secret that mainstream scientists for the most part totally reject the idea that aliens are actually physically abducting people.
00:03:10The supposed lack of hard evidence being their main argument.
00:03:13However, there's also been alleged trace evidence from the landing of ET craft that has been measurable on the electromagnetic spectrum.
00:03:22Dozens, if not hundreds of people, have had supposed alien implants removed from their bodies,
00:03:28some of which possess unexplainable properties, such as the ability to emit radio signals.
00:03:33It appeared to be some kind of highly advanced iron and metal matrix composite with carbon nanotubes.
00:03:39If we were able to back-engineer some of the technology that we have in these devices,
00:03:46we could prevent, for example, inflammatory processes and rejection.
00:03:51In other words, if we could make something similar, you could wrap a heart, a kidney, a screw, a pin, or whatever,
00:03:58and instill it into the human body, and the person would not have to take any anti-rejection medication for the rest of their life.
00:04:05Dr. Roger Lear was a world-renowned surgeon who was known for having removed over a dozen of what he believed to be alien implants.
00:04:14We've looked at drawings and cave paintings and wood carvings that have been in existence for thousands of years.
00:04:22But, you know, people have been looking for the so-called smoking gun, and that's what we seem to have found.
00:04:30Now, almost all skeptics of the phenomenon do agree that many people who report abductions do seem like they are mentally stable individuals
00:04:39who clearly believe that their experiences were real.
00:04:42Which means there are only two possibilities for those types of supposedly sane abductees.
00:04:48Either they are mentally stable and somehow gravely mistaken about something extraordinary that didn't actually happen to them,
00:04:55or it actually happened to them.
00:04:57Many people, including those who produced the recent Netflix documentary, The Nightmare,
00:05:03often try to attribute the entire alien abduction phenomenon to sleep paralysis.
00:05:08Many people want to assume that this type of fear-based hallucination could explain alien abduction as a whole.
00:05:16However, there have been plenty of alien contact cases that supposedly occurred when people were wide awake.
00:05:22Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton, or even all the military personnel from around the world who say they've seen UFOs or crashed craft.
00:05:30All stories that have nothing to do with lying in bed at night.
00:05:34Sleep paralysis always involves the experiencer lying in bed and being fully aware of their bedroom surroundings.
00:05:41It does not include being present on an alien ship.
00:05:44And although sleep paralysis may include feeling a malevolent presence,
00:05:49it's actually very rare that you'll hear people interpret that as aliens.
00:05:54But let's entertain every single possibility of what alien abduction could also be.
00:06:00Is there a chemical reaction that might occur in the brain that simply creates a hallucination
00:06:04that looks and feels like you're being abducted by aliens?
00:06:08Some unnamed form of schizophrenia based on our collective unconscious paranoia of what we think aliens might look like.
00:06:15And if that is a real illness, why don't we have a name for it?
00:06:19These so-called memories of the abduction experience are usually very vivid and detailed.
00:06:24And unless you are psychotic, what other form of mental illness could you be suffering from
00:06:30if even skeptics say that you seem mentally sane when reporting alien abductions?
00:06:36If this is a form of schizophrenia, how does that explain physical symptoms like supposed burns, scarring, and puncture marks?
00:06:43If the phenomenon is a result of environmental factors, why have we still not figured out what those factors are?
00:06:51And why they cause these hallucinations?
00:06:53If this is a mass deception, a deliberately created falsehood and distraction,
00:06:58who is orchestrating it and for what purpose?
00:07:01Or is this just something that only psychodynamics or psychopathology can explain?
00:07:06Are people simply making it all up in mass just because they seek attention?
00:07:11While it's fair to assume that could be the case for people who have chosen to make a living
00:07:16off of their supposed encounters with aliens,
00:07:19there are many people who have not embraced it in such a financially fruitful way
00:07:24and therefore have had nothing to gain from telling people this happened to them.
00:07:29Because your average neighborhood acquaintance would not believe it.
00:07:33And, just as it may be impossible to prove that they're telling the truth,
00:07:37it may be just as impossible to prove that they're lying.
00:07:41The conclusion that usually closes the book on alien abduction for most people
00:07:45is the explanation that the entire phenomenon is the result of some kind of mass suggestibility
00:07:51or fantasy proneness.
00:07:53Now, while false memory syndrome is a real condition
00:07:56where a person recalls memories that never happened,
00:07:59usually fear-based or even traumatic ones that affect their relationships with other people,
00:08:04could that apply to groups of people who claim to have seen the same thing?
00:08:08And could that account for such a vast and detailed experience?
00:08:12I was brought aboard the craft and I was put through different machines.
00:08:18But this one particular one, they took me in a room and put me on this rubber glass-like wheel
00:08:24that turned round and round.
00:08:25They put something around my mouth, my ears,
00:08:27and there was water that dripped down on me as the wheel was whirling round and round.
00:08:32Humanoids? I mean, what do we call these?
00:08:34Well, they were gray beings, about three to five feet tall,
00:08:37wore tight-fitting outfits, had very large eyes, no hair,
00:08:43tiny holes for ears and nose and a slit-like mouth.
00:08:46Do they speak to you? Do they, I mean, was there...
00:08:48No, through mental telepathy, Pat.
00:08:50Yeah.
00:08:50The last one was April 11th.
00:08:53This year?
00:08:54That's correct.
00:08:55What happened?
00:08:56Well, I had a visit from several beings and there were also several humans present.
00:09:02Very often, with my experiences, they literally materialize in front of my eyes.
00:09:07You don't see spaceships?
00:09:08I have been inside of ships.
00:09:10What is extraordinary about it is the consistency of the stories amongst people who are of sound mind,
00:09:17who come forth very reluctantly, as Mary has,
00:09:21who doubt their own stories,
00:09:24who describe what they've gone through with great emotion.
00:09:27Are you saying then, Doctor, that it happened to them,
00:09:30or that they firmly believe it happened to them?
00:09:33Again, the whole thing has made me re-examine all of these notions of happened, didn't happen.
00:09:38For them, it is completely real, and it is not the product of mental illness.
00:09:42Now, whether it happened altogether in this reality, I don't know.
00:09:46Now, while scrolling through the Wikipedia page for the narrative of the abduction phenomenon,
00:09:53the details of the experience are so vast and well-documented
00:09:57that it simply renders the hallucination claim unlikely.
00:10:01And when else in our history have we ever had a mass-widespread false memory syndrome like this?
00:10:09Could all of this really be some kind of complicated yet very specific mass delusion?
00:10:15One that affects all five senses, the likes of which we have no agreeable scientific name for,
00:10:21that somehow is almost always consistent with most of these variables?
00:10:25Or are there simply aliens visiting us?
00:10:29Do I speak for aliens? I've never met an alien.
00:10:33Stanton Friedman is a nuclear physicist who worked on advanced classified aircraft and rocket programs
00:10:39for General Electric, General Motors, Westinghouse, and many more.
00:10:43Since 1970, Friedman has also been a professional ufologist
00:10:47and was the first civilian investigator of the Roswell incident.
00:10:52And he believes that we currently have the science to prove that interstellar travel is possible.
00:10:59The studies on interstellar travel, and I know something about them because I worked on those studies.
00:11:05The science and technology that we know a great deal about tells us that if you play your cards right,
00:11:11you can go to the stars.
00:11:13It's going to cost a tremendous amount of money.
00:11:15I'm not saying this is easy.
00:11:17Look, if I told you about an aircraft carrier that could operate for 18 years without refueling,
00:11:22you'd say you're crazy, man, if I told you that 50 years ago.
00:11:25But it's real.
00:11:27This camera.
00:11:29If you told somebody you could do what this thing does,
00:11:3270 years ago, he'd have laughed his head off.
00:11:36Gigabytes?
00:11:37Come on, what are you talking about?
00:11:38Although alien abduction stories have been told by many American citizens,
00:11:44the official U.S. Air Force word on UFOs is that they are not a threat to our national security.
00:11:51And that has been the official word for over 60 years.
00:11:54I am here to discuss the so-called flying saucers.
00:11:59Since 1947, we have received and analyzed between 1 and 2,000 reports,
00:12:05the great bulk of them.
00:12:06We've been able to explain them as hoaxes, as erroneously identified friendly aircraft,
00:12:12or as light aberrations.
00:12:14However, there have been a certain percentage of this volume of reports
00:12:18that have been made by credible observers of relatively incredible things.
00:12:26It is this group of observations that we now are attempting to resolve.
00:12:33We have, as of date, come to only one firm conclusion with respect to this remaining percentage,
00:12:39and that is that it does not contain any pattern of purpose or of consistency
00:12:46that we can relate to any conceivable threat to the United States.
00:12:51That's an utterly absurd remark that there is no national security aspect to UFOs.
00:12:56The most obvious one is technology.
00:13:00These are flying objects.
00:13:02We would love to build flying objects that could go up, down, back, forth,
00:13:07make right-angle turns, fly silently.
00:13:10There's one national security aspect, just the high technology.
00:13:14But what would it do to our religion?
00:13:16What's the church going to say if you say there are others out there?
00:13:21Obvious question, did Jesus die to save them?
00:13:24Impact on religion.
00:13:26Impact on industry.
00:13:31Stories of alien abduction have been around for a lot longer than one might think.
00:13:35In 1896, Colonel H.G. Shaw claimed that while driving through the countryside near Stockton,
00:13:42he encountered a landed spacecraft and tall, slender humanoids whom, when he approached,
00:13:48began attempting to abduct him.
00:13:50What's even stranger is that right after that event, within the next several months,
00:13:55eight additional separate UFO sightings supposedly occurred all over the United States.
00:14:00Two of them were crashes, two of them were landings, and four were flyovers.
00:14:06But the streak of events ended with the now-famous Aurora, Texas crash in April of 1897.
00:14:13Sixty years later, in 1956, Elizabeth Clare, a South African farmer, claimed to have been taken up into a mothership by E.T.'s.
00:14:23In 1957, Antonio Villas-Boas, a Brazilian farmer, claimed to have been dragged inside a craft by a humanoid wearing a gray jumpsuit and a helmet.
00:14:33But in 1961, an abduction case occurred that received more widespread attention than anyone before it.
00:14:40Betty and Barney Hill were driving through New Hampshire, returning from a vacation in Niagara Falls.
00:14:45They observed what they thought was a star, until it began moving upwards, becoming bigger and brighter,
00:14:51until it appeared as a craft with flashing multicolored lights.
00:14:54Like a lot of people might want to do, they decided to try to follow it.
00:14:59The hills claimed they observed the craft erratically bouncing back and forth in the night sky,
00:15:04passing over a restaurant and signal tower on top of Cannon Mountain.
00:15:08About a mile south of Indian Head, they claimed the craft rapidly descended towards their car and hovered over it.
00:15:15Barney supposedly got out of his car, looked into his binoculars,
00:15:19and actually saw 8 to 11 beings standing in the windows of this craft, who appeared not human.
00:15:27Barney panicked, running back to the car and telling Betty,
00:15:31they're going to capture us.
00:15:32As they drove away at high speed, the craft positioned itself right above their car.
00:15:37The hills then heard rhythmic buzzing sounds that bounced off the trunk of the vehicle.
00:15:42After a tingling sensation passed through their bodies,
00:15:45they both experienced an altered state that left their minds dulled.
00:15:49After another series of buzzing sounds, they returned to normal consciousness,
00:15:53with only foggy memories of what transpired earlier,
00:15:57eventually arriving home around dawn, two hours later than they intended.
00:16:01I was 13 years old when this occurred.
00:16:05My mother was Betty's sister.
00:16:06Betty called my mother on the afternoon of September 20th, 1961.
00:16:12This is actually the day they returned from having had this close encounter
00:16:17with what they called a flying saucer in those days.
00:16:20She was very concerned that the craft had hovered so low over their vehicle
00:16:26that she feared that they might have been contaminated by cosmic rays, by radiation, by something.
00:16:33And so did I believe that?
00:16:35Of course I did, because they were concerned.
00:16:38The very next day, Betty and Barney reported the event to Pease Air Force Base.
00:16:45They were interviewed by Major Paul W. Henderson,
00:16:48who first determined that the Hills had misidentified the planet Jupiter,
00:16:53then that it was an optical condition, and eventually it was labeled insufficient data.
00:16:58A month later, the Hills got in contact with Walter N. Webb,
00:17:02a Boston astronomer and NICAP member.
00:17:05Barney confided in Webb that he believed he developed a mental block,
00:17:09and that there were parts of the event that he might have suppressed.
00:17:12Webb believed that they were telling the truth.
00:17:15Of course, there was physical evidence as well.
00:17:18Betty's dress was torn in several locations.
00:17:21Later, she discovered that it was covered with a pink powdery substance.
00:17:25There were shiny spots on the trunk of their vehicle that were magnetic.
00:17:30And I want to add also that this had a huge emotional impact upon Barney.
00:17:37Barney eventually had to take a leave of absence from work.
00:17:41The reason for that was that he developed bleeding ulcers and high blood pressure
00:17:46as a result of the trauma that he experienced.
00:17:51For the next three years, the Hills attempted to forget about the whole thing and move on with their lives.
00:17:56But Betty's strange dreams and Barney's anxiety led to their decision to undergo hypnotherapy.
00:18:02And they wound up with Dr. Benjamin Simon, who was a psychiatrist,
00:18:07but who was a world-class expert on the uses of medical hypnosis to retrieve lost memories.
00:18:14They saw Dr. Simon almost on a weekly basis.
00:18:18He hypnotized them separately.
00:18:21The first thing that Barney remembered that he suppressed
00:18:24was exactly what happened when he looked through those binoculars at the hovering craft.
00:18:30What you are about to hear is the audio recording from Barney Hill's hypnosis sessions.
00:18:35Be advised, the quality is low, and the content may be disturbing to younger viewers.
00:18:40This creature, this leader, is telling me something.
00:18:45He's telling you something.
00:18:47How?
00:18:49How is he getting it to you?
00:18:51I can see it in his face.
00:18:54Do you see his lips move?
00:18:56Yes.
00:18:57No, his lips aren't moving.
00:19:00Yes, go on.
00:19:02And he's looking at me.
00:19:05What did he tell you?
00:19:07Stay there and keep looking.
00:19:10Could you hear him tell you?
00:19:12Oh, I've got to pull these binoculars away from my eyes.
00:19:16Because if I don't, I'll just keep staying there.
00:19:19Could you hear him tell you this?
00:19:20Oh, no.
00:19:21He didn't say it.
00:19:23You felt he said it.
00:19:24I know.
00:19:26You know he didn't.
00:19:26Just there.
00:19:27Yeah.
00:19:28Just stay there.
00:19:29He's saying to me.
00:19:31All right.
00:19:32I'll take it in my head.
00:19:34All right.
00:19:34Pull the binoculars away.
00:19:36God, give me a strength.
00:19:38All right.
00:19:39Pull them down.
00:19:40Run.
00:19:42Pull them up and down and run.
00:19:44God.
00:19:46It's like my God.
00:19:47Give me strength.
00:19:48I've got to get away.
00:19:50Oh.
00:19:51Oh.
00:19:53Baby.
00:19:54All right.
00:19:54We've got to get away, baby.
00:19:56All right.
00:19:57Calm down.
00:19:57Calm down.
00:19:58I'm driving.
00:19:59Calm down.
00:20:00I've got to get away.
00:20:00How could you be sure he was telling you this?
00:20:06His eyes.
00:20:07I've never seen his eyes before.
00:20:11You going back into the car now?
00:20:13Mm-hmm.
00:20:14You took down your binoculars, did you?
00:20:16I got them down.
00:20:17Yes.
00:20:18Did you speak to Betty?
00:20:19Getting a hold of myself.
00:20:21Barney then recalls patchy memories of the aftermath, thinking they were stopped at a roadblock with men in black suits telling them to get out of their car.
00:20:31Whether you threw it in the road or what part did they play with it, they took me and carried me up this ramp.
00:20:42Did you feel you were going to be attacked in any way?
00:20:46No.
00:20:48The men in suits supposedly led him and Betty away from their car and into the woods.
00:20:53I have been told to keep my eyes closed.
00:20:57Who told you that?
00:20:58The men were good that I saw through the binoculars.
00:21:07He then remembers them being taken onto a craft, being put in two separate rooms, and then being told to lie down on small rectangular exam tables.
00:21:18And the exam owner has a long needle in his head.
00:21:25It's bigger than any needle I've ever seen.
00:21:29And I asked him what he's going to do with it.
00:21:34And he said he just wants to put it in my navel.
00:21:37It's just a simple test.
00:21:40And I don't know it will hurt.
00:21:42I don't know it.
00:21:44I don't know it.
00:21:45And even though it won't hurt.
00:21:47They stuck a big needle in Betty's navel and she screamed it was painful.
00:21:53And the leader waved his hand and the pain stopped.
00:21:56They were apparently treated as specimens.
00:22:00Our examinations were very much similar in that with both Barney and I, they checked our eyes, ears, nose, throat, took samples of our hair, fingernail, and they scraped our skin.
00:22:13They attempted to insert a needle-like instrument in my navel.
00:22:18He said it was a pregnancy test.
00:22:20It's easy to wave it away, oh, it's just a baloney story.
00:22:24But they were people with spotless reputations.
00:22:28All kinds of people testifying to their good character.
00:22:30Betty and Barney were credible people.
00:22:33She was a social worker for the state of New Hampshire.
00:22:37He worked for the post office.
00:22:39But he also later was appointed to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission State Advisory Committee.
00:22:45He was legal redressed to the NAACP in that area.
00:22:50He was on the regional board.
00:22:52He received an award from Sergeant Shriver for the good work he did for the U.S. poverty program.
00:22:58He was politically involved and Betty was as well.
00:23:01They were credible people.
00:23:02Probably the most incredible and controversial thing about this story
00:23:07was Betty's claim that one of the aliens showed her a star map.
00:23:12One that after vigorous study would actually lend credibility to their story.
00:23:17She was asked by Dr. Simon to describe what the alien showed her.
00:23:22It was a woman named Marjorie Fish who did the important research.
00:23:26Marjorie was a member of Mensa and she decided to build three-dimensional models
00:23:32of our local galactic neighborhood.
00:23:34The stars in their right locations hung on string.
00:23:38And she built a total of more than 20 of those.
00:23:41She finally found one pattern that matched angle for angle, line length with line length,
00:23:47with what Betty had drawn.
00:23:49And it turns out that the base stars were Zeta-1 and Zeta-2 reticuli.
00:23:54It's a constellation of reticulum.
00:23:57They both are Sun-like stars.
00:23:58It was an exciting piece of work.
00:24:00I published an article about it.
00:24:01Astronomy Magazine did an article about it.
00:24:04That work is worthy of our attention.
00:24:07My investigation was extensive.
00:24:16I had Betty to interview.
00:24:18I played devil's advocate.
00:24:20I had all of the archival records, including the Project Blue Book report,
00:24:26including letters to and from scientists who were interested in this case,
00:24:30who investigated it.
00:24:31Also the lab reports.
00:24:33And I found over and over again information that led me to believe that it really was
00:24:40a true abduction experience.
00:24:43Kathleen also believes that she herself has been abducted by aliens.
00:24:48It was February of 1966.
00:24:51And my mother, my grandmother, my brother, a family friend, and I observed a UFO.
00:24:59And it was hovering fairly low in the sky.
00:25:03It headed toward a lake near my home.
00:25:06We drove to that lake and we had a close encounter with that craft.
00:25:12In April of that year, only a couple of months after that happened,
00:25:17a craft landed on my grandparents' farm.
00:25:20I grew up across the street from them.
00:25:23A neighbor of ours who was a commercial pilot returning home from work
00:25:26saw it coming in as well.
00:25:29And I believe that that is probably the first time that I was taken.
00:25:36I was on that table.
00:25:38There were entities around me.
00:25:40At that time, I was afraid of doctors.
00:25:43And I was wondering if I had undergone some kind of operation during the night.
00:25:50And maybe it was arranged so that I wouldn't be so frightened.
00:25:54I was terrified.
00:25:56And I was terrified for many years.
00:25:58I wouldn't talk to anyone about it.
00:26:02And I kept that terror inside.
00:26:06And here I am now, and for the first time actually, speaking about it on camera.
00:26:14And I think that it's time.
00:26:19I couldn't, in my mind for so many years, see the faces of those entities.
00:26:27Somehow it was blocked.
00:26:29But I did undergo hypnosis.
00:26:32And I did remember that those were non-human entities standing around the table.
00:26:40I was 17.
00:26:41Kathleen believes that the entities were likely the same as those supposedly seen by her aunt
00:26:49and uncle.
00:26:50I believe that the reason that craft landed on my grandparents' farm is that Betty was
00:26:55doing contact experiments with a group of scientists.
00:26:59They would write a script, mail it to her, and she was to repeat the same words over and
00:27:06over again for a two- or three-week period.
00:27:10For example, land at such and such a street or come down close and we will be out looking
00:27:18for you.
00:27:19And I think that these entities probably thought that she had invited them to meet the family.
00:27:25One of the most common questions asked by skeptics in the UFO field is, why don't they just land?
00:27:32You know, why don't they ever land?
00:27:34Well, they land all the time.
00:27:35Ted Phillips in Missouri has looked at thousands of physical trace cases from 80 countries.
00:27:40I mean, these cases are all over the place.
00:27:42But when a debunker says, why don't they land?
00:27:44It means he hasn't studied that data.
00:27:46Uh, debunker would commonly say, if aliens were visiting, why wouldn't they land on the
00:27:53White House lawn?
00:27:54Why in the world would they?
00:27:56The president does not rule planet Earth.
00:27:58I hope you understand that.
00:28:00The notion that if aliens were coming here, well, of course they'd land on the White House
00:28:04lawn.
00:28:04Where else would you go?
00:28:05And say, here, Earth, we're here to kill you, save you, whatever the message is.
00:28:10They're obviously not here for that purpose, for telling us, hey guys, here we are, kind
00:28:16of thing.
00:28:17Society, generally speaking, acts in its own interest.
00:28:21We have spies to find out what our enemies are doing so they don't surprise us.
00:28:25One reason why we're not seeing more UFO landings these days may be due to the fact that we've
00:28:32been constantly shooting at them.
00:28:33The first recorded incident was in 1942, the Battle of Los Angeles, where a bright orange
00:28:40UFO was seen hovering over the LA area.
00:28:43After a blackout was ordered throughout the entire county, the Coast Artillery Brigade fired
00:28:48over a thousand anti-aircraft shells at the UFO.
00:28:52They never actually hit the craft, which is interesting, but there were five civilian casualties
00:28:59as a result of the barrage.
00:29:01Anti-aircraft guns went into action against unidentified aircraft in the Los Angeles area shortly after
00:29:073 a.m. Pacific wartime this morning.
00:29:10U.S. Army planes quickly took to the dark skies, but whether they contacted the object
00:29:15has not been announced.
00:29:16Concussion of the shells could be felt in downtown Los Angeles, 15 miles away.
00:29:22Shells frequently could be seen bursting near the object, but none appeared to hit it.
00:29:27The shooting stopped about 3.30 a.m.
00:29:29More recently, in 1997, while stationed in Peru, Lance Corporal Jonathan Weigand reported finding
00:29:37a crashed craft with ETs inside that he claimed had been shot down by a missile.
00:29:43It was buried in the side of a cliff, and when I first saw it, you know, I was scared.
00:29:48It scared the end of the heck out of me, you know.
00:29:49I didn't know what to do, and, you know, in stinger school, they teach you about all different
00:29:53kinds of aircraft.
00:29:54Well, essentially, when I saw it, I'm like, man, this is not, this is nothing that I knew
00:29:58of.
00:29:58There was one light on it that slowly went around, and the machine, I could hear it.
00:30:04I could hear, I guess, because it was still functioning, and it had, like, a hum to it.
00:30:09Like, say, if you unplugged an amp from a guitar, that kind of, and it was shaped, like, almost
00:30:14like, between an egg and, like, a teardrop, almost.
00:30:17It looked to be that it was, it could have been handmade, but, you know, out of what, and
00:30:21what materials, I don't know.
00:30:23But, but basically, when I was down there with the ship, I felt this presence.
00:30:28I thought the creatures were, they calling me, and it was, like, weird, and they were,
00:30:32I think they were trying to communicate with me, like, I guess, telepathically.
00:30:36It's really weird, and I don't believe in it, in any of that stuff.
00:30:38It's almost like if someone was, like, reading your mind, and that's the way it felt.
00:30:43I felt like, I felt a presence.
00:30:46It was, like, supernatural.
00:30:47They were not going to harm me, and that was basically that everything was going to be all
00:30:52right.
00:30:52It just helped me get, just helped us get out of here.
00:30:54Oval egghead with big, dark eyes, a nose and a small mouth, no ears.
00:30:59But I was so mesmerized and into it, and, you know, Sergeant Allen and Adkins, they're
00:31:04hollering, they're cussing at me, you know, get the hell out of there.
00:31:07Wegan claimed that after being next to the crashed ship for about 15 minutes, a gang of
00:31:12men from the Department of Energy showed up and arrested him and his sergeants.
00:31:18I was arrested.
00:31:18I had all my gear taken from me by men in black hammies.
00:31:23They had the big D, you know, Delta Oscar echo on the back of their rain jackets.
00:31:28He claims he was then taken to a dark interrogation room, was handcuffed to a chair, and was psychologically
00:31:35tortured for over eight hours straight by an unnamed lieutenant colonel and several DOE
00:31:41employees.
00:31:41And they're yelling at me, and they're hollering and cursing, and you didn't see anything,
00:31:45you know, and we'll do you and your whole goddamn family.
00:31:48And they're, you know, it was basically that for about eight or nine hours.
00:31:52I was sitting in a chair, and I was handcuffed to the chair, and I couldn't move, no water,
00:31:57no nothing.
00:31:57I just sat there.
00:31:58These guys, they're just off on their own.
00:32:01There's no oversight, no control.
00:32:03They just do whatever they want.
00:32:05They don't, I mean, and they're evil, man.
00:32:06These people are evil.
00:32:08Oh, this is definitely something like NATO or some multi, multinational deal.
00:32:14Waygant strongly believes that the alien craft was shot down by the very weapons installation
00:32:20that he was tasked with guarding.
00:32:22What it looked like is it had been hit with maybe a serviced air missile, because I had
00:32:27been in the command center there at the radar installation, and I heard a couple women there
00:32:33in the Air Force talking about aircraft flying in and out of the atmosphere in Mach 10+.
00:32:38Yeah, I think they knew it was coming in, and they said, we can't identify it.
00:32:43It's violating airspace, so they could have radioed the Peruvians and said, take them
00:32:48out, and then they shot it down.
00:32:50I was raised in a Christian home to believe that there was a God and that he created everything,
00:32:54you know, the universe, and here they are, these creatures that I've never seen before,
00:32:59never come in contact with.
00:33:01This happens, man, and it just, it made me get almost crazy, you know, not like suicidal,
00:33:06but I just couldn't, I had to like re-evaluate everything that I knew, and I was basically,
00:33:12you know, with these aliens.
00:33:13They were holding my hands, and they had their hands on me, and they only had four fingers,
00:33:18by the way.
00:33:19Probably the closest thing I could say that they were like almost like angels, and if
00:33:23I had to, I'd go with them right now.
00:33:25You know, I mean, I'd get, I want, and I had this obsession with that, you know, I guess
00:33:33it was, I guess because of the pain of the experience, and then the Marine Corps, that
00:33:37I just wanted to escape, you know, and I was thinking about, you know, being with these
00:33:42creatures a lot, and wanting to go with them, and wanting to get out of here.
00:33:46I mean, I'm not doing this to make money, or publicity, or anything, but I think it needs
00:33:50to be told.
00:33:51I think people need to hear it.
00:33:53If alien visitation is actually occurring, as is believed by followers of ufology, what
00:34:00exactly is their reason for being here in the first place?
00:34:04Many people who study UFOs believe that a lot more ETs began visiting Earth after we developed
00:34:10atomic energy, and started going into space.
00:34:13That, they say, is when we became dangerous.
00:34:18We are a threat to the neighborhood.
00:34:19Let's look at some facts.
00:34:21A big bomb in World War II was a 10-ton blockbuster, and it released the energy of 10 tons of dynamite,
00:34:291944.
00:34:30In 1945, first atomic bomb, 15,000 tons of dynamite.
00:34:35First fusion device, 1952, 10 million tons of dynamite.
00:34:42And a Russian scent went off.
00:34:44Tsar Bomba, about four years later, released the energy of 27 million tons of dynamite.
00:34:50One bomb!
00:34:52Human beings are addicted to war.
00:34:55One of the fundamental things going on, and the reasons for their presence here, is intervention.
00:34:59We didn't need intervention when we made the longbow.
00:35:01We didn't need it when we came up with gunpowder.
00:35:04We didn't need it when we came up with airplanes.
00:35:06But when we cracked the atom, we were definitely in the high throes of violent war addiction.
00:35:12The belief that aliens might be anti-nuclear or anti-weaponry isn't just based on assumptions.
00:35:20UFOs have supposedly flown over missile silos and temporarily disarmed the stockpiles.
00:35:27And this has been reported many times.
00:35:30We have amounting evidence from scores of witnesses who had national security clearances
00:35:36as working on strategic missile bases, which is, you know, a little harder job to get than,
00:35:43I don't know, greeter at Walmart, about these craft coming down over their facility and turning
00:35:48the missiles off.
00:35:49And we have evidence for that.
00:35:50It was written up.
00:35:51Do they melt them down so that they're useless?
00:35:54No.
00:35:55They just turn them off.
00:35:56Can we turn them back on?
00:35:57Yep.
00:35:57As soon as they leave.
00:35:59That's a pretty good message.
00:36:00Now, it could be.
00:36:01The message was, just letting you know, we're coming for you pretty soon.
00:36:04And there's no point in trying to do anything because we can turn your missiles off.
00:36:08So just bow down and accept us as your new, you know, leaders, okay?
00:36:12It's possible.
00:36:13But it doesn't fit into the overall evidence picture at all.
00:36:17What are they telling you?
00:36:18Well, they're telling me a lot of things.
00:36:21One of the things they've told me consistently is that they care.
00:36:24That they're not here treating us as guinea pigs or human experiments.
00:36:28That there is some level of concern on their part for our well-being.
00:36:31This is said in English by people who look like what?
00:36:34This is said telepathically.
00:36:36Most of the communication that transpires between myself and them is telepathic.
00:36:40Do you, Mary, telepathically respond back to them?
00:36:43Yes, I do.
00:36:43Have you ever asked them the basic, simple question?
00:36:48Why don't you land at the White House?
00:36:49No, I haven't asked them that.
00:36:50My concern is, why do you come here to see me?
00:36:53And what do they tell you?
00:36:54The answer is, because we care.
00:36:56They are attempting to send a strong message to human beings that we need to put our behavior in check.
00:37:06I telepathically asked why they had taken my family.
00:37:11And they said that they have a concern about environmental toxicity.
00:37:17They have a concern that humans will no longer be able to reproduce.
00:37:22They are afraid that we could destroy ourselves and this planet.
00:37:26People who claim to have had contact with extraterrestrials frequently report receiving telepathic images of the Earth's destruction during the experience.
00:37:36These images are almost always interpreted as a warning of a possible cataclysm.
00:37:41At some point, they take them aside and they project messages and images into their head.
00:37:46And these are images of destruction and desolation, environmental damage, war, whatever.
00:37:51With others, they are given information about the future of this planet, about their concerns.
00:37:58So they think they're being shown the actual future.
00:38:00No, they're being shown a possible future.
00:38:03Now, Stephen Bassett is a political activist and lobbyist for ufology.
00:38:07For over 20 years, he has been an outspoken advocate for acknowledgement and official government disclosure of information regarding the supposed E.T. presence.
00:38:16One of the things I had learned late in life, which I wish I had known when I was younger, is that there's almost no area that might interest you that you can't get involved in if you're willing to work for free.
00:38:26And so I had this idea, wow, go to Washington and register as a lobbyist.
00:38:31And then I set up the first political action committee on an E.T. issue and then I put the first exo-politics conference up and that launched my political engagement.
00:38:40As Bassett has primarily dealt with high-ranking military witnesses and government whistleblowers, he is not particularly known for discussing the topic of alien abductions.
00:38:51I stayed away from the contact aspect for years.
00:38:54I just didn't say anything about it.
00:38:56And the reason was just trying to get the press, particularly the political media, let alone anybody in Congress, to address just the fact that E.T.'s are here, which is a big deal.
00:39:05I knew that then trying to get them to address abduction, their heads would explode, right?
00:39:10So I just didn't do it.
00:39:12To not talk about this is like ignoring these people who exist.
00:39:17I don't lecture on it.
00:39:19It's not my specialty.
00:39:20But I have given a lot of thought to the contact record that we have, which is huge.
00:39:26Ann Strieber got 500,000 letters came into them and she wrote a book called The Communion Letters.
00:39:31And these are coming in unsolicited from people that have read the books and they're going, this has happened to me and here's what happened.
00:39:36They're not going to get paid.
00:39:37There's no fame involved.
00:39:38It was just private letters.
00:39:40So what are some of the other prominent tales of alien abduction that have not yet been debunked?
00:39:46On November 5th, 1975, Travis Walton and six other loggers were out driving through the Apache Sitgreaves National Forest,
00:39:55where they supposedly came upon a hovering craft of unknown origin.
00:39:59It's kind of like light shining through a lampshade.
00:40:01Basically white, but it's kind of yellowish glow to it.
00:40:03I mean, that's what it appeared to me.
00:40:04It had some kind of a round thing on top like a dome.
00:40:08Basically, it was just very, very sleek, you know.
00:40:11It was just absolutely beautiful.
00:40:13Travis exited the truck and went up to the craft,
00:40:16where he was allegedly hit with a beam of light that made his body levitate.
00:40:21And when I look back, he's a few feet off the ground and he's stretched out like this.
00:40:26After Travis fell onto the ground, the other men fled in fear, thinking he was dead.
00:40:31After police found no trace of Travis or the craft, five whole days went by with still no sign of him.
00:40:38And just about everyone in the small town of Snowflake, including some of their own family members,
00:40:43had begun to assume that these young men had murdered Travis.
00:40:47One of those men was Travis's best friend.
00:40:50A week later, Travis's brother-in-law gets a call from a pay phone.
00:40:54The voice on the other line tells him, it's Travis.
00:40:57His brother Dwayne rushes to go get him and bring him home.
00:41:01When I regained consciousness, I was looking up at a light shining down on me from the ceiling.
00:41:08I was in a lot of pain.
00:41:10I couldn't quite bring myself totally awake.
00:41:15I believed that I was in the hospital.
00:41:19I looked beyond the top edge of the thing that was laying across me and I saw two men leaning over me.
00:41:30They had kind of underdeveloped features and no hair of any kind.
00:41:37And they were dressed in kind of a brownish-orange.
00:41:40I didn't even think, I just lashed out and grabbed a tube, a cleared piece of glass or something.
00:41:49And I tried to break off the end to get something sharp to defend myself with, but they didn't try to approach.
00:41:56They just kind of put out their hands like that and they just left.
00:42:00There was a corridor.
00:42:01It was a very narrow corridor and it was dimly lit everywhere.
00:42:06I went into this room that you could see out.
00:42:09It was, you could even see the stars back through the wall I'd just come through.
00:42:16It was, I could still see that there was walls, but I could see the stars at the same time.
00:42:22And it didn't look like windows?
00:42:24No, it wasn't like that.
00:42:26And there was nothing in the room but a chair with some controls and knobs and things.
00:42:32There was a man and a woman came from around the table and they each took me by the arm and led me over to the table,
00:42:39got me up on the table and I looked up at the ceiling, which was just, it was all solid light.
00:42:45There wasn't any light fixture or anything.
00:42:47And that was last I remembered.
00:42:50I went to sleep until I woke up.
00:42:54I was laying on the pavement.
00:42:55I looked up, up the roadway.
00:42:57It was night and I could see a light above a flying saucer.
00:43:02And it was very shiny, but the only light came out of the bottom and that went off.
00:43:07And it just went straight up really fast, just without a sound.
00:43:14How do you feel when someone is extremely skeptical and says that aliens don't exist?
00:43:20How does that make you feel?
00:43:21Well, it is frustrating to encounter that degree of ignorance, you know.
00:43:26But back in 1975, the debunkers sort of had the upper hand
00:43:31because they would call people a kook for believing something that was in disfavor with the majority of science, scientists.
00:43:42But now, just recently, NASA confirmed on the basis of direct observation
00:43:50that virtually every star has about a dozen planets.
00:43:53The number of potential civilizations in our galaxy is so vast
00:44:01that now anyone who thinks we're alone in the universe fits the definition of a kook.
00:44:08They're believing something contrary to the prevailing scientific evidence.
00:44:14In the days following Travis's return,
00:44:17all six men took polygraph tests to try and prove that they were telling the truth about what happened.
00:44:23They all passed, except one that was inconclusive.
00:44:27They were under suspicion of foul play.
00:44:30They needed to prove their innocence.
00:44:32And they were asked about whether or not they saw something that they believed was an unidentified flying object.
00:44:40And they passed that part of the test as well.
00:44:44After passing the polygraph test,
00:44:47Steve Pierce comes to his mom and says,
00:44:50I told you we didn't kill him.
00:44:51And to have to say something like that to your own mother,
00:44:55and she would have never thought he was a murderer if it was any other subject.
00:44:59It was just that the idea of aliens was just so resisted that there's got to be some other way to explain it,
00:45:07even if my son is guilty of something horrible.
00:45:09You know, in hindsight, you can see that a lot of this negative reaction was just based on their own fear.
00:45:16They hoped to hell it isn't true.
00:45:18They wish it wasn't true.
00:45:19And so people wanted to believe things like that,
00:45:22that we were crazy or I was crazy or that this was a drug hallucination.
00:45:26I had blood and urine tests put through the Maricopa County Medical Examiner's drug screen,
00:45:33proving there wasn't a trace of any drug in my body.
00:45:36Same thing with the temporary insanity thing.
00:45:39I had a whole battery of psychiatric tests that proved to be a totally normal pattern of scores.
00:45:46Now, as much as we all love to talk about and reference Wikipedia,
00:45:51the site is clearly biased against Travis Walton.
00:45:54In the media and publicity section,
00:45:56they sum up his 40-year fame into just fire in the sky and a few TV appearances,
00:46:03mainly the moment of truth,
00:46:05where Travis was set up to fail a fake lie detector test in front of a live TV audience.
00:46:10No mention of the near dozen documentaries made about him,
00:46:14including the latest Travis, which won so many awards,
00:46:17the cover is literally covered in them.
00:46:19No mention that he has lectured about ETs and his experience for decades
00:46:23and that him and everyone who has known him through the years also still stick to their story.
00:46:28This page doesn't even mention the fact that Travis was missing for five days.
00:46:33Police and search parties could not find him.
00:46:35The only real analysis of his experience that exists on this page is this section,
00:46:41the so-called skeptical reception,
00:46:43which is just two paragraphs dedicated to the opinions of Philip Klass and Michael Shermer,
00:46:49two very biased people who happen to be professional UFO debunkers.
00:46:54Now, while Michael Shermer does have a respected career as a historian and author of skepticism,
00:46:59these days his views on the UFO phenomenon tend to not go much further than saying that some of them are balloons.
00:47:06After investigating the case, Klass reported that the polygraph tests were poorly administered,
00:47:12used countermeasures such as holding his breath, that's not reporting, just speculating a theory,
00:47:19uncovered an earlier failed test that concluded gross deception with a whopping five references.
00:47:26Two of those references are just people saying they heard that from Phil Klass.
00:47:32Maybe the National Enquirer test was the one that was poorly administered,
00:47:36and the one that was forced to them at the jailhouse by the Arizona Department of Public Safety was the more accurate test.
00:47:42The man who administered the test even admitted that he wanted them to fail, and they didn't, to his surprise.
00:47:49There was one young man, he was the youngest of the group, so he's the one I wanted to choose first.
00:47:55And frankly, when I finished with him, I was quite surprised myself because he was passing the exam.
00:48:02Phil Klass also claimed that Travis Walton wrote the questions himself and submitted them. That is also not true.
00:48:10I designed the questions. The entire test is established by research from Dr. Raskin out of the University of Utah.
00:48:20Travis claims that he even made an offer to Phil Klass to take another polygraph test, to which Klass either ignored or just declined.
00:48:28Since then, Travis has taken 16 different lie detector tests. No mention of that fact either.
00:48:35The Michael Shermer paragraph simply speculates that Travis based his hoax on the Betty and Barney Hill TV movie.
00:48:43Travis claims he never saw it. And with those two baseless theories, the entire case is closed on Wikipedia.
00:48:50This poor attempt at debunking is the definition of gross deception.
00:48:56The debunkers make me angry because as a scientist, I do belong in the American Physical Society, the American Nuclear Society, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.
00:49:04I don't just call myself a scientist.
00:49:07And I have bachelor's and master's degrees in physics from the University of Chicago, which is normally considered a front-rate institution kind of thing.
00:49:15They make me angry because they're violating the basic notion of science, which is facts, data, evidence, logic, and being willing to say you don't know.
00:49:26So I've listened to these people. I've debated these people.
00:49:32And it's a violation of the rules of behavior for people of a certain profession.
00:49:38And the debunkers violate the rules of behavior because they don't put the evidence first.
00:49:43And that's wrong, I say, as a scientist.
00:49:47Their notions about interstellar travel, about government cover-ups are frequently wrong.
00:49:53Well, skeptics consider it a hoax.
00:49:56Look, we've got five references.
00:49:58In reality, these five references are a hoax.
00:50:02Four and five are both Phil Klass.
00:50:04Three is Susan Clancy, who is also problematic since she wrote a book about abductees but mostly interviewed people who were making it up.
00:50:13Two is another person just saying that they heard Phil Klass say it was a hoax.
00:50:18And one is the statement by the sheriff where he said he believed that the five companions saw Travis get hit with a beam of light from the ship.
00:50:26He just couldn't believe Travis's part about being on the ship.
00:50:29But there's not a single mention in this first paragraph of the fact that most people who have actually studied this case do not think it's a hoax.
00:50:38Some ufologists believe Walton was abducted by aliens.
00:50:41It's actually quite fair to say that nearly all ufologists believe that he was abducted by aliens allegedly passed polygraph tests.
00:50:51Either you pass it or you don't.
00:50:52Which one was it?
00:50:54So why is the Travis Walton Wikipedia page so co-opted by Phil Klass?
00:50:59Stanton Friedman, Kathleen Martin, and Travis Walton himself all believe that Philip Klass was hired or at least encouraged by the FBI to debunk Travis.
00:51:09Kathleen even claims to have evidence of that.
00:51:12Our latest book, Stanton Friedman and I have written fact fiction and flying saucers.
00:51:19It's based upon years of archival research.
00:51:22He went to Harvard, read Donald Menzel's archival files.
00:51:27I went to the American Philosophical Society.
00:51:30I made several trips there.
00:51:31And what I found in the correspondence files was a plan to debunk those individuals who had very compelling cases and also to attempt to reduce the credibility of scientists who had an interest in investigating UFOs and who were speaking publicly about that.
00:51:56I have a letter that Dr. Edward Condon wrote to McGraw Hill.
00:52:01And in that letter, Edward Condon stated, if you need anyone in the media to make public statements about UFOs, I would advise you to use Philip Klass.
00:52:14Steve Pierce, one of the men who saw Travis get hit by the beam of light from the craft, claims that Phil Klass actually came to his house alone one day, where he says Klass offered him $10,000 to start publicly stating that the whole thing was a hoax.
00:52:30You know, just like Phil Klass when he offered me the $10,000.
00:52:34That was a lot of money back in the 70s.
00:52:36We cannot turn a blind eye to the Travis Walton case.
00:52:41The evidence is too compelling.
00:52:43If I could go back, I would not get out of the truck.
00:52:48I wish that I had my life back, that I could have had a career as a normal person.
00:52:55But, you know, I mentioned earlier that I think I'm making progress in terms of educating people and gaining acceptance.
00:53:04You know, when I tell people, you know, don't think of this as some kind of sci-fi, magical, wowies out.
00:53:13Sort of thing, shock and awe.
00:53:15I'm saying, just think of them as these people from way over there that we don't know too much about.
00:53:21And they actually seem kind of disappointed with that point of view.
00:53:25I think a lot of people are attracted to the idea of making some kind of razzle-dazzle sci-fi thing out of it.
00:53:31But I try to keep it down to earth and just keep it in perspective, you know.
00:53:36Well, someone did make a sci-fi razzle-dazzle thing out of it.
00:53:41The 1997 film Fire in the Sky, which is based entirely on Travis Walton.
00:53:46Well, not entirely.
00:53:48The movie portrays Travis's experience as a horrifying, nightmarish ordeal, akin to something out of Ridley Scott's Alien franchise.
00:53:57But according to Travis, his experience was nothing like that.
00:54:00And he believes the aliens he encountered were actually benevolent.
00:54:05Well, from the very time I first realized what they had done with the script for Fire in the Sky,
00:54:12I was aware of the fictionalizations and the departures from how it was.
00:54:17Now, initially, when I was given a copy of the script, the alterations, the changes from what happened,
00:54:23those parts of the script were not in the script I was given.
00:54:27They were just omitted.
00:54:28So it kind of caught me by surprise.
00:54:32They knew in advance that I was not going to be too happy with that.
00:54:36And those kinds of fictionalizations were not helpful.
00:54:41But it did actually put people emotionally to vicariously experience what we went through
00:54:48with the sort of public response, suspicion, all those kind of things.
00:54:51People identified with that, and it did make a great deal of progress.
00:54:56It helped out.
00:54:58It put people in a position to understand for once what we went through from our point of view.
00:55:05So although it was less than perfect, it was still something that overall,
00:55:10sum it all up, was better that it happened than not.
00:55:14But there's been quite a bit of interest expressed in doing a more accurate remake of it.
00:55:21I think the time is right for that, and it'll eventually happen, and I look forward to that.
00:55:27One major obstacle that stands in the way of many people trying to wrap their heads around this topic
00:55:33is the constant debate of who is telling the truth and who isn't.
00:55:38Many would agree that the credibility of the abduction phenomenon has been very negatively affected
00:55:43by the overabundance of hoaxes and fake accounts.
00:55:47But not every hoax was meant to be taken as fact.
00:55:51In 1989, a decade before the Blair Witch Project, a found footage horror film was released straight
00:55:58to video titled UFO Abduction.
00:56:01The film was created to appear as a genuine home video of a family's last moments before
00:56:06being abducted by aliens.
00:56:08Not only did the film take the world by storm, but many people believed that it was a genuine home video
00:56:14due to the realism and improvisational nature of the film.
00:56:18I knew I wanted to improvise the dialogue, but I knew I also had to work for some form of a structure,
00:56:24so I created a 10-page, 20-beat outline.
00:56:29It was pretty much all shot in one take.
00:56:31Then a few years later, apparently someone had edited off the credits and passed it around the UFO community
00:56:37as a real thing.
00:56:38So it ends up at the International UFO Congress Convention.
00:56:42I didn't know any of this.
00:56:43And then there were a few shows that wanted to do specials on it.
00:56:46Unsolved Mysteries was one of them, and this show called Encounters for Fox.
00:56:50And then there was a big kind of viral thing that happened.
00:56:54After Unsolved Mysteries aired an entire episode dedicated to pretending that the fake abduction film was in fact real,
00:57:02the belief that it was spread quickly.
00:57:04No matter how much I told them, look, it's a fake film that we did,
00:57:09the more I shouted out the truth to them, the more embedded the conspiracies got.
00:57:16And they were wide-ranging.
00:57:18They went from me being hired by the government to create this film or to put my name on it, that I had done it.
00:57:26On the cover of the UFO abduction DVD box, there is a quote from Lieutenant Colonel Donald Ware that says,
00:57:33I am not convinced this thing is a hoax.
00:57:36I am not convinced the thing is a hoax because I know that our government policy is to insert disinformation
00:57:45into every major UFO case or release the document or possibly every home video that gets on the market.
00:57:53I really don't fault people for believing that the film is real.
00:57:58Not at all.
00:57:59It's a huge compliment to the cast and crew.
00:58:01What I do fault them about is not believing the filmmaker, not believing me.
00:58:09When you're shown pictures, behind-the-scenes pictures, it's like game over.
00:58:12It's done.
00:58:13This is the reality, guys.
00:58:15Accept it.
00:58:16When people say, no, no, no, he could have had a doctorate.
00:58:19He could have been this or that.
00:58:20Now you're just making shit up.
00:58:22I mean, I've been outing myself for a couple decades now.
00:58:27Nine years after the film was released, UPN expressed interest in doing a remake of it, also in found footage style.
00:58:34This is where Dean says things got much worse.
00:58:38The home video you are about to see documents an alleged case of alien abduction.
00:58:42A family from Lake County, Minnesota was reported missing by relatives on Thanksgiving weekend.
00:58:47I kept saying, can't we use the original?
00:58:50Why don't we just show that and put her on, you know, the network?
00:58:52But no, they want to redo everything.
00:58:54And they also put in music, which was not supposed to have music.
00:58:58Where are you going?
00:58:59Coming with you.
00:59:00No, you're not.
00:59:02Well, I just don't think you should go out there by yourself.
00:59:04Alien abduction.
00:59:06Is it fact or fiction?
00:59:07And the most offensive thing they did is that the new person who came in, this woman who came in to cut it down to an hour, she put in real interviews.
00:59:17So you have UFO luminaries like Dr. Stanton Friedman, Yvonne Smith.
00:59:23You have all these top people in the field of ufology.
00:59:26And intercut into the movie, it looks like they're talking about my film.
00:59:30And they're lending credibility to it.
00:59:33And so it became this thing that was really 100% not cool.
00:59:38You know, insidious is probably too strong a word, but it was just a gross misrepresentation of what this thing was supposed to be.
00:59:46Although Dean's film made him an originator of the found footage horror genre,
00:59:50he says that he finds remorse with what the film did to the credibility of ufology, since a lot of people thought it was real.
00:59:58At the end of the day, it's, I feel bad, because I don't want to hijack anyone's, you know, belief system.
01:00:07I don't want to deteriorate it.
01:00:10We already have enough credibility issues in this field that we don't need anymore.
01:00:14I do believe that people have seen aliens.
01:00:19I believe that as strong as I can without having seen them myself.
01:00:23The Zimbabwe, 1994, aerial school.
01:00:26That's hardcore shit.
01:00:2962 students up close, three feet away.
01:00:32And here we are, you know, 24 years later.
01:00:34And these kids all still, they're grown up now.
01:00:37And they, you know, they all believe in what happened and they haven't changed their story one iota.
01:00:44Whether in TV shows or movies,
01:00:46entertainment media has been quick to jump on the angle that alien visitation is a negative predatory event.
01:00:53Sure, that makes for higher stakes in movies.
01:00:56But is that really the case with these supposed alien abduction events?
01:01:01John E. Mack was a Pulitzer Prize winning author and Harvard psychiatrist who engaged in a decade plus study of alien abduction starting in the early 1990s.
01:01:11John Mack studied around 200 men and women who claimed to have been abducted.
01:01:15And he remains one of the most esteemed academic figures to have studied the phenomenon.
01:01:20John Mack never definitively said that he thought aliens are definitely taking people.
01:01:26But he did say, quote,
01:01:27That there is a compelling, powerful phenomenon here that I can't account for in any other way that is mysterious.
01:01:34And it seems to me that it invites a deeper, further inquiry.
01:01:38End quote.
01:01:39Mack had a particular interest in the spiritual and transformational aspects of alien encounters.
01:01:45And the idea that abduction could expand our notion of reality.
01:01:49The last book he wrote was titled Passport to the Cosmos, where he talked to and studied various abductees who claimed to have had a positive and even transcendent abduction experience.
01:02:00Now, being a Harvard psychiatrist who believed that there was something to alien abduction was no easy task.
01:02:07In May of 1994, the dean of Harvard Medical School appointed an investigation into Mack.
01:02:13And the committee chairman, Arnold Relman, suggested that, quote,
01:02:17To communicate in any way whatsoever to a person who has reported a close encounter with an extraterrestrial life form is professionally irresponsible.
01:02:26End quote.
01:02:27But once word got out that the investigation was taking place, other people in the academic community started questioning the ethics of such an investigation, and it was eventually dropped.
01:02:37And the dean reaffirmed that Mack had the freedom to study whatever he wishes and to state his opinions without impediment.
01:02:43But over 20 years later, that attitude has not changed among scientific academia.
01:02:48And the topic is still very much considered taboo and unworthy of any real study.
01:02:53Most ufologists would say the number one reason for that resistance is fear of the unknown.
01:03:00Some people are very skeptical because they can't handle it emotionally.
01:03:05And I have a background in psychiatric social work.
01:03:09I can understand if people are frightened about this.
01:03:13And certainly in the media, it has been portrayed as something very, very frightening in the past.
01:03:19I don't think these entities, most of them, are that frightening.
01:03:24I think that they're concerned about humanity.
01:03:26The Betty and Barney Hill story has been portrayed as being very frightened and perhaps negative in the mainstream media.
01:03:34Betty and Barney were initially very frightened.
01:03:37But those entities on the craft reassured Betty and Barney over and over again that no harm would be done.
01:03:45And they even apologized to Betty for frightening her.
01:03:50I do not think that they had malevolent intent.
01:03:54I do know that some types do appear not to have human interest in mind.
01:04:00I've worked on many cases of this type.
01:04:03But this is not true of the group that my family has encountered.
01:04:08From the contact reports, which, again, there's a spectrum of accounts and out on the wings here, things can get pretty wild and crazy.
01:04:19Naturally, as you get wilder and crazier, you have to be a lot more skeptical.
01:04:24There's no question they're doing it.
01:04:26They have advanced genetic technology.
01:04:28But it may be far more than that.
01:04:30And where things get very intense is the mounting evidence for hybrid work.
01:04:36Hybrids are a crossbreed of humans and extraterrestrials.
01:04:41Being involved in breeding experiments is an extremely common trait among abduction experiencers.
01:04:47If you just search alien hybrids on Amazon, you will see hundreds of books written about this subject.
01:04:54Many of them are fiction.
01:04:56But there are dozens, if not several hundred, that are supposedly based on actual experiences of people involved in these experiments.
01:05:03Is the supposed hybrid program an attempt by the ETs to help themselves or to help humanity?
01:05:10That's kind of at the top of the phenomenology pyramid.
01:05:14I will mention it on camera, but I'm not out there beating the media over the head about this.
01:05:21But there's just too much evidence that they're creating hybrid children, hybrid entities using humans.
01:05:26Is there evidence that they're mining our gold?
01:05:31No.
01:05:33Sucking our water out of the oceans?
01:05:34No.
01:05:35Taking our atmosphere?
01:05:36No.
01:05:37I think that the majority of these non-humans are benevolent, that they're concerned about our planet,
01:05:44and they are concerned about the continuation of the human race.
01:05:49I think that we might have been a science project, and that they have come back historically, periodically, to check up on us.
01:05:57If people have difficulty with it as individuals, and they don't want to believe it, that's fine with me.
01:06:04It is the professional debunkers and disinformants that I have a problem with, who will speculate about what might have happened, and their speculation is entirely different from the truth of what happened.
01:06:22Well, what was recovered was a radar target, balloon board.
01:06:28That is the cover story that was put out.
01:06:30We know it was a cover story based on the testimony of the people who put out the cover story.
01:06:35General Thomas DuBose was the chief of staff of the 8th Air Force at Fort Worth Army Airfield, General Ramey's chief of staff.
01:06:42General DuBose told us that the balloon story that Phil insists upon talking about was a cover story put out by the government simply to get the reporters off their back.
01:06:50Philip, are you a debunker of all UFO stories?
01:06:54Is that your purpose?
01:06:55I look for explanations.
01:06:57Although Philip Klass regularly dismissed claims of ET visitation, he has been quoted saying that 98% of people who report seeing UFOs are intelligent, honest people who have seen something.
01:07:11The other 2%, he says, are frauds.
01:07:13I believe that having debunkers in the UFO field is not necessarily necessary evil as much as they're necessary.
01:07:21We need to have bullshit called out.
01:07:24Where I have issues is with the tactics that some people use that are debunking.
01:07:28And so if you're debunking things because you generally want to get to the truth and want to, you know, pull the curtain back on fraud, awesome.
01:07:35If you're doing it because you're trying to make a name for yourself and you know that it's super easy to go out and say this is bullshit because you're saying UFOs and aliens by virtue of UFOs and aliens, you're an asshole.
01:07:47You know, love Bill Nye, but his explanation that he's co-opted from the government about Roswell is moronic.
01:07:54High space weather balloons that hadn't been seen before.
01:07:57It's just stop.
01:07:58If you don't have anything that you can credibly add to it, that's okay.
01:08:02But I do think that we need people who will challenge what's being said because there is a lot of bullshitters out there.
01:08:09People like Travis Walton, who I've got a chance to meet and hang out with and do a podcast with, they don't get more credible than him.
01:08:21I definitely believe that he experienced something.
01:08:23The only mention of any scientific study on the Travis Walton Wikipedia page was the quick mention of a book written by Susan Clancy where she decided that Travis probably just got inspired by the Betty and Barney Hill TV movie and fabricated the event based on that.
01:08:40Susan Clancy is a cognitive psychologist and professor in consumer behavior at the INCAE Business School.
01:08:47In regards to her 2005 book, Abducted, How People Come to Believe They Were Kidnapped by Aliens, Clancy's major conclusion is that the abductees she studied were all suffering from some kind of false memory syndrome.
01:09:02She even goes into detail of how she thinks a person could very easily conjure a false memory of being experimented on by otherworldly creatures.
01:09:11And many critics found her studies to be convincing and satisfying in closing the book for them on alien abduction.
01:09:18However, Clancy admitted that the majority of people she studied only had an inkling that they were abducted by aliens and didn't actually have any specific memory that it had occurred.
01:09:30Meanwhile, there are plenty of supposed abductees who do claim to have vivid and detailed memories of the event.
01:09:37In an interview with NPR to promote her book, Clancy made the claim that nobody reported being abducted before they actually saw it on TV, citing The Outer Limits as the earliest example that likely started it all, which first aired in 1963.
01:09:53Meanwhile, there have been plenty of abduction stories that occurred well before the television was a household appliance.
01:10:00Colonel H.G. Shaw in 1897, the Paris abduction of 1921, the so-called Shaver mystery of 1943.
01:10:08The list goes on.
01:10:09I read Susan Clancy's book and I was very disappointed because I expected a scientific approach to the problem.
01:10:17And I didn't find one.
01:10:18She hadn't studied the cases in detail.
01:10:20She hadn't studied them carefully.
01:10:21She hadn't studied the other studies.
01:10:23And I was disappointed because I expected she's a well-educated person.
01:10:27Clancy claims that those she studied who did, in fact, have memories of being abducted were all just the result of memory-distorting processes, such as undergoing hypnosis.
01:10:38However, there have been plenty of accounts that people did not need hypnosis to recall.
01:10:43The witnesses to Travis Walton's abduction were fully awake for just one example.
01:10:47The first part of Betty and Barney Hill's encounter did not require hypnosis to recall.
01:10:52Robert Fulford's review of Clancy's book in the National Post sums it up by saying,
01:10:57She asks why mentally superior aliens haven't anything better to do than hang around North America stealing our genes.
01:11:05Simply ignoring the fact that there have been plenty of stories of alien visitation outside of North America,
01:11:12not every abduction is genetic-related,
01:11:14and to think that they should have something better to do than to be here,
01:11:18this person clearly has not studied the supposed reasons for them being here.
01:11:23Which is surprising, considering she claimed to have interviewed a bunch of abductees.
01:11:28And as for the distorted hypnosis claim,
01:11:30if you believe that the entire alien abduction phenomenon,
01:11:34people really thinking that they experienced physically being on a craft,
01:11:38is all just the result of suggestion through some botched hypnosis?
01:11:44Couldn't that then be considered some kind of advanced psychological warfare?
01:11:49Having the ability to convince someone that they were on a craft being experimented on by aliens?
01:11:54That's a weapon.
01:11:56And if people actually have these memories,
01:11:58something that even skeptics admit is possible,
01:12:01could our military be using that warfare on our own citizens?
01:12:05Is there a deep conspiracy of humans that want us to think aliens are experimenting on us
01:12:11because they are actually the ones who are doing so?
01:12:14Or is there nobody experimenting on us,
01:12:17and we all just really badly want there to be?
01:12:20Just as it's important to keep an open mind,
01:12:23it's also important to remain skeptical.
01:12:25Actually skeptical, not Wikipedia's definition.
01:12:29All right, before we drop the subject altogether,
01:12:31and we're going over a couple of minutes,
01:12:33Mr. Klaas, just tell me about abductions.
01:12:35I mean, of all the things that are being discussed here,
01:12:38those really seem the most bizarre, don't they?
01:12:40Well, Ted, I'm writing a book on this subject.
01:12:43It's already two-thirds of the way through.
01:12:46It'll be completed shortly, be published early next year.
01:12:49Just give me the conclusions, if you were to...
01:12:50The conclusion is, to quote President FDR,
01:12:53we have nothing to fear but fear itself.
01:12:56Anyone who doesn't want to be abducted,
01:12:58I'll predict that you'll get 50 volunteers.
01:13:01They love to talk about themselves.
01:13:03Whitley Stryber, the most famous one,
01:13:07became a millionaire by writing a book
01:13:10about his alleged abductions.
01:13:12They're all fantasies.
01:13:14The investigation by the mayor shows...
01:13:18Well, this was the photo that Ed likes to compare
01:13:22with the model is actually a third-generation UFO model.
01:13:27Okay, can you get a shot of this on the monitor?
01:13:29Oh, you got it over there.
01:13:30But this model, if you think that this model
01:13:33looks anything like, if you think this model
01:13:36looks anything like the photographs
01:13:38of what the people around Gulf Breeze are seeing,
01:13:40then you need to have some glasses.
01:13:43The prank that was pulled by putting a model
01:13:46in a house that I used to live in a year and a half ago
01:13:49was an effort by whomever to discredit the sightings.
01:13:55And it shows me that there is a very definite cover-up going on
01:13:59trying to make this phenomenon go away.
01:14:01I have investigated cases where they were simply hoaxes.
01:14:06For example, there was a case in Idaho.
01:14:09A young man and a young woman.
01:14:11The craft had come down,
01:14:14had taken the young woman,
01:14:15that he engaged in fisticuffs,
01:14:17trying to fight off these entities,
01:14:20but they dragged her onto the craft.
01:14:22And I said,
01:14:23gee, that doesn't sound like any real case
01:14:26that I've ever investigated.
01:14:28It has not had an effect upon
01:14:30the remainder of my investigations
01:14:33because I know that some individuals
01:14:36have compelling evidence.
01:14:38From all of that,
01:14:40all of the researchers that have been reviewing
01:14:42the accounts that have come forward,
01:14:43keeping in mind that some of them are complated,
01:14:46some of them may be bogus.
01:14:47But that overall, overlapping knowledge
01:14:50is where we've developed a picture
01:14:52about these ETs, what they do,
01:14:54and that's pretty important information.
01:14:56I will say I have no doubt
01:14:58at this point in my life
01:15:00that we are not alone.
01:15:02It's real, and people need to realize that.
01:15:06Well, I don't care about what their society runs on.
01:15:08I'm saying they're here.
01:15:09That's evidence enough that you can get here.
01:15:12So many people have reported alien abduction
01:15:15in such great detail
01:15:17that there really has never been anything like it
01:15:20in our history.
01:15:21If this is a mass delusion,
01:15:23when else have we had a mass delusion like it?
01:15:27To quickly believe that all abduction stories are true
01:15:30would be foolish,
01:15:32but to ignore the issue altogether
01:15:34would be burying our heads in the sand.
01:15:37It was stationary, this thing,
01:15:47and it was bright silver in color,
01:15:49and it had a dome.
01:15:51I could see the occupants in it.
01:15:53You saw people in it?
01:15:54I saw people in it.
01:15:55There were two people in there.
01:15:57These people were beautiful people.
01:15:59That's the only way I can describe them.
01:16:01Were you scared, Vi?
01:16:02Did you run indoors?
01:16:03Oh, I was petrified.
01:16:05I couldn't move.
01:16:06I couldn't move a muscle.
01:16:07I was paralyzed with fear.
01:16:10But when I look back,
01:16:12you know, I think,
01:16:14what an amazing thing to have happened
01:16:16and for me to have seen it.
01:16:18They are of above average intelligence.
01:16:20They are of sound mind.
01:16:22So there is not indication
01:16:23of any kind of psychiatric condition
01:16:25that can account for this
01:16:26that I've been able to find.
01:16:27Do Mary telepathically respond back to them?
01:16:29Yes, I do.
01:16:30Why do you think
01:16:31they don't materialize here?
01:16:34I think that perhaps
01:16:35the society is not ready for this.
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