Grand Designs Deconstructed Season 1 Episode 2

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00:00Hello, and welcome to Grand Designs Deconstructed.

00:22I'm super fan of Grand Designs, Greg James, alongside Kevin MacLeod.

00:26Hey, Greg.

00:27Episode two, they didn't cancel us.

00:28Amazing.

00:29This is the show that dives into the latest episode of Grand Designs,

00:32but also explores some of the big themes and the big talking points of the series

00:35because it's been going for so long,

00:37and yet we've never really managed to get fully behind the scenes until now.

00:42You don't think there's a reason for that?

00:43Do you think that nobody wanted us to go behind the scenes?

00:45I wanted it.

00:46I speak for millions of fans.

00:47We want to know the real behind-the-scenes stuff, Kevin.

00:50That's what we're going to get on this show.

00:51But listen, you and I started talking about this in 2021, right?

00:53Yes.

00:53So how come we haven't done it before?

00:55Well, look, as you know, good things take a while to build.

00:58You can't rush a Grand Design.

01:00We haven't rushed this podcast.

01:01You know, we're here and the moment is right.

01:03It's true.

01:04I love this show so much that I've actually stayed in a Grand Design.

01:07With the owner's knowledge.

01:08Yeah, yeah.

01:08I didn't break in.

01:09Yeah.

01:10No, Ed and Rowena in Herefordshire, they have their beautiful house.

01:13It's my favourite episode of Grand Designs and millions of others' favourite episode.

01:17And they actually have a little sort of rental property on their land.

01:21Yes.

01:21And they come and have coffee with you and you go and hang out in their house.

01:24And they're the nicest people.

01:24We've become friends.

01:25It's been so nice.

01:26They are lovely people.

01:27And they're down the road from me and we've become good mates.

01:29And they put a blue plaque up saying,

01:31Greg James stayed here with the dates and everything.

01:34I know that's not true because they famously take 17 years to do anything.

01:39So that plaque is not ever happening.

01:40Yeah.

01:40Anyway, shall we get to today's episode?

01:43Who were we following today and what was the build?

01:46Pete and A.

01:47She is a ceramicist.

01:49And this house is the perfect choice for Pete because he is a vice president of supply chain strategy.

01:57Fancy.

01:57He's in the business of ordering things on large scales, huge scales.

02:01And he just looked at the market and thought, I ain't going the usual route.

02:05It's chaos.

02:06I want a guaranteed product that can come from a factory and arrive on a lorry.

02:10And that's exactly what he's bought.

02:11Yeah.

02:11A mail order house, essentially.

02:13A mail order, prefabricated house.

02:15I mean, it's not even like flat pack furniture.

02:17This is volumetric.

02:18So it's like, open the box.

02:19There's a house inside.

02:20Yeah.

02:21And you literally crane it into position.

02:23There's a high level of finish.

02:24There's a lot of work goes on in the factory.

02:27It's all wide.

02:27It's all plumbed.

02:28It sounds perfect, doesn't it?

02:29You know, you do get a say, of course.

02:31And depending on the company you work with, some will give you a choice of taps.

02:34Others will say, no, completely design the house as you want it.

02:37Because they've got architects that will do that for you.

02:38And that's the route that Pete and A took.

02:41I was amazed at how finished it was when it arrived.

02:44Yeah, I know.

02:44Even the tiles.

02:45I thought, well, do the tiles later.

02:47Isn't that not dangerous?

02:48They just all smash?

02:49There's an amazing sequence where you see the guys in the factory screwing the bathroom floor together.

02:54And they've got, like, layers and layers of plywood.

02:56And there's hundreds of screws going in, which just seems bonkers.

02:59But they're trying to create a floor with tremendous rigidity so that having tiled the bathroom, the whole thing in transport doesn't wreck.

03:05And, yeah, the tiles were all fine.

03:08I've never seen that before.

03:09I've seen bathrooms delivered and then they tile them on site, which is cheating, I think.

03:13But these were already pre-done.

03:15On episode one, I introduced a drinks pairing for that episode.

03:19And it was a really lovely ruby ale from Durham.

03:23Today, I've gone for, give us a taste, it is a gin and tonic.

03:28I thought it was water.

03:30Well, it doesn't have ice.

03:33It came pre-mixed in a can.

03:35And it came from a distillery in Wales, pre-fab.

03:39This is a modular gin and tonic.

03:41Cheers.

03:42Cheers.

03:43OK, let's see if it's nice.

03:46Mmm.

03:48Oh, it's sweet.

03:49Yeah.

03:49The Welsh Douglas fir's in there.

03:50I really should have put it in a Douglas fir cup.

03:53But Douglas didn't have any spares.

03:55Hey!

03:56I went to school with Dougie fir.

03:59I want to thank Wales for delivering a beautiful, finished Douglas fir house

04:04and a fantastic, finished gin and tonic.

04:10It's a great material.

04:11I have some.

04:12I bought you a piece of Dougie fir.

04:14Now, this is a super thin tile.

04:16It's actually not from their project.

04:17But can you feel the delicacy, the smoothness of that surface?

04:21Yeah.

04:21It's like pine, but it's so much stronger.

04:24What does it smell of?

04:26Potential.

04:26The best smell in the world.

04:28It's a lovely bit of wood.

04:29The advantage of Douglas fir is it's not too expensive.

04:32And its performance is fantastic.

04:33So it's got loads and loads of resin in it.

04:35That resin effectively protects the timber.

04:38So you can use it outdoors without treating it until it lasts for years.

04:41I love the passion of the guys in the workshop.

04:44They really loved working with it.

04:45And they had a real love for it.

04:47They loved the smell.

04:48They loved how easy it was to grow and cultivate.

04:50So the Douglas fir is one of the big headlines of this episode.

04:53The modular home, obviously.

04:54The bats we need to touch on at some point as well.

04:56We're also going to speak to Pete and A a bit later on in the episode.

05:01So modular homes then.

05:02And why are we not all doing this?

05:04And why did Pete and A decide to go for it?

05:06Because it's a risk, right?

05:07Do you want me to take that from you?

05:08Lovely Dougie.

05:09Put Dougie away.

05:11Bring out Dougie later.

05:13Really good question.

05:14Because for 30 years, I've been making programs about houses.

05:18And for 30 years, I've been wondering when we see this off-site revolution.

05:21Three, four years ago, I went to visit an off-site modular home factory.

05:24Actually, it was in an episode of Grand Designs.

05:26And they would come out at the end of the production line, beautifully finished, everything ready to go to site.

05:31I thought, God, this is great.

05:32This is amazing.

05:33The futures finally arrived.

05:35And like two years later, I discovered they just ceased trading.

05:39Housing is incredibly expensive here.

05:41And so when the economy dives a bit, so housing demand drops too.

05:45The problem with a factory is that it needs a consistency of demand.

05:50It needs customers out there who are placing advance orders saying, we'll take 200 of those next year.

05:56And then you can plan.

05:57You can plan your delivery.

05:58And if you're making housing, which is in such a volatile market, it's really hard to get right.

06:02And it's a lot of money to just say, okay, build me the house in the factory and I think it will be fine.

06:07Yeah.

06:07But the other side of that is Pete and A had a pretty nice time on this build.

06:12It seemed to be relatively stress-free.

06:14And it was up in no time.

06:16Is it one of the most calming episodes we've seen for a while?

06:20There was hardly any, dare I say the J word, jeopardy.

06:24Apart from the bats.

06:25No, I don't use that word.

06:26No, there was fun and laughter.

06:27And the only tears were tears of joy.

06:29It was a remarkably easy project.

06:31The reason why it worked for them and would work for anybody in that part of the market is that this isn't a 200,000-pound house.

06:38It's a three-quarters of a million-pound house.

06:40And at that level of the market, the supply and the demand is different to the volume end, you know.

06:45So these big companies don't survive.

06:47But the smaller manufacturers like Kenton in this episode, they're able to build one at a time, two at a time,

06:53and just keep the order book flowing and deliver this fantastic quality,

06:58which is something that is missing from housing generally.

07:01Across the market.

07:02And this minimizes the risk of going over budget as well, because you pay the money and it's there.

07:06Yeah.

07:06And it's delivered.

07:06The only thing I can think that might go wrong is that the company struggles.

07:10But if you're not committing all your cash and you're being reassured by the order books that they have,

07:15then it's a great way to go.

07:17And presumably a lot safer.

07:18You're not outdoors.

07:19You're not on site.

07:20It's not muddy.

07:21It's not windy.

07:21It's not rainy.

07:22You're not at great height.

07:23You're in a controlled environment in the factory.

07:26I'm so pleased you mentioned that, because construction, along with agriculture, poses the greatest threats to people working in those occupations, right?

07:35For example, of all the serious accidents that happen on building sites, roughly half of them happen because somebody has fallen from a height.

07:43So if you build in a factory and you build on benches and it's off site, it's safer, a lot safer.

07:50You get far less waste.

07:52It's quicker, much quicker than constructing on site.

07:55And you're not having to do it in the weather.

07:56It's an interesting one because I really enjoyed the episode.

07:58I mean, I love every episode because the story is the story and the story is always interesting because it's people.

08:03I wonder what your take is on the architectural limitations of a modular house.

08:09Because there are some and they all have to fit into a certain lorry, essentially.

08:15So it is limited to a certain extent.

08:17I think we're at the beginning of this process.

08:20You know, you look at these buildings and you ask always the question, how much is it going to look like a caravan?

08:23Or a site hut, worse.

08:26Or how much is it going to look like a most amazing skyscraper with ceramic columns?

08:32And we went to visit exactly that building in Croydon.

08:35An amazing building made using this system.

08:38So the answer is actually, once you start configuring the design, and here an architect is essential really in working with these makers, these builders, then anything's possible.

08:48So you can split a house down, as they've done.

08:50I mean, it didn't all arrive on one lorry, it arrived on four or five.

08:53And if you're clever, you then join it up and plaster over the joints and bingo, it becomes one beautiful space.

09:00So actually anything is possible.

09:03Actually, the material was beautiful.

09:04We've talked about the Douglas Fair.

09:05I have personal experience of Douglas Fair, and I think it's an amazing timber.

09:10And amazingly, we grow a lot of it.

09:12So a lot is grown in Wales.

09:14The Dougie Fair is a great crop waiting to be managed.

09:16And there is that moment in the film where, you know, we see the tree come down, which is always a solemn moment with an organism like that, because it's been there for 40, 50 years.

09:26Your heart just misses a beat as you, you know, offer up a little prayer for it.

09:31But then you plant another one, or another five or 10.

09:34And that sort of helps begin the cycle all over again.

09:37And the most important point about this business of cropping and managing woodland is that it locks carbon into the building material.

09:44So the tree absorbs carbon dioxide as it grows.

09:47If you leave it on the forest floor, having fallen over after 60 years, it releases all that into the environment.

09:53So instead, by cropping, we sequester it into the timber.

09:57And I think that is such a neat thing to be able to do.

10:00And that's what makes timber building such sensible environmental offerings.

10:05I think Close Encounters of the Fur kind is your best pun in 25 years.

10:10It just came to me as I was actually saying it.

10:13I don't know about that.

10:13No, no, in front of the camera, I just said, this is like Close Encounters of the Third kind.

10:17Oh, no, no, no, it's Close Encounters.

10:19And they very kindly cut the first point.

10:22And then it made me sound like super eloquent in the moment, as if I'd just thought of it.

10:27Back to the tree felling.

10:28Hmm.

10:29If we all started building houses out of Douglas fir, is there enough?

10:33So I asked this of many people in Wales, and they all said, yeah, we've probably got a 30-year supply here.

10:38We do have great stocks of these timbers.

10:40And the extraordinary thing is, if you'd asked me 10 years ago, can you build with Douglas fir in the UK?

10:44I'd say, yeah, but you have to source it from Canada or Norway.

10:48But actually, what the Welsh have done brilliantly by investing in all kinds of new grading machinery

10:54and by managing their crops really well is that they're growing strong, straight trees with minimum number of knots in it.

11:01And it's super strong for construction.

11:03And the bulk of the Douglas fir in this building is used inside these great big timber cassettes.

11:07It's used structurally.

11:09And we're making these long beams with.

11:11So it really ranks as a construction timber.

11:14It's Dougie fir.

11:15Super reliable.

11:16Okay, Kevin, really enjoying the chat.

11:19We'll be back after the break.

11:21And teach me your ways again.

11:22Like on episode one, you taught me how to go into an ad break in the style of Kevin MacLeod.

11:26What do we do here?

11:27You want to create some suspense.

11:28Yeah.

11:28You want to bring people back.

11:29Yeah.

11:29So you say something like, nothing's fallen off yet.

11:33Nothing's fallen off yet.

11:34But in 10 minutes, something might happen.

11:38Something might happen.

11:42And then the music.

11:42After the ads.

11:43Yeah.

11:44Yeah, that's it.

11:45Something.

11:45All right.

11:46See you in a minute.

11:55We're back on Grand Designs Deconstructed with me, Greg James, and him, Kevin MacLeod.

12:00Lord Kevin MacLeod.

12:02Lord yet?

12:02Not yet.

12:03One day.

12:04It doesn't even sound right, does it?

12:06Well, Kevin, shall we speak to the stars of the episode?

12:09Let's.

12:10Are they down the line?

12:11They are.

12:11Now, this is the really exciting bit for me because I've just watched the episode and

12:14we're going to speak to the people in the actual house.

12:16There they are.

12:17Hey, Pete, welcome.

12:19Hello, both.

12:20Hello.

12:21And there it is.

12:22What part of the house are you in?

12:23We are sat.

12:24In our living area?

12:25Yeah.

12:26Yeah.

12:26Pete and A, I actually think that you are in the minority of people that have managed

12:31to hack Grand Designs.

12:34You did it and it was relatively painless from a sort of sadist point of view.

12:38I wish there was a bit more drama, but I'm really happy for you.

12:41Yeah, me too.

12:42When you mentioned to anyone you were building a house, like we'd watch Grand Design forever

12:46and so was everyone else.

12:48You get the, are you going to live in a caravan?

12:51Are you going to get pregnant?

12:53Yeah.

12:53Are you going to be bankrupt?

12:55None of those outcomes happened.

12:58Yeah, nothing's happy.

13:00That's so nice.

13:01When we were filming the finals, I turned around halfway through the day and there's always

13:05kind of craziness going on with lots of cameras and people and Pete was just outstretched

13:09on the sofa in the garden in front of the house, sleeping.

13:12He was just kind of just, he took 20 minutes and it was lovely to see.

13:16Normally people are still frazzled, you know, by the time we come along.

13:19When you first walked around the house when it was plonked onto the land and it was plonked,

13:25you were sort of amazed and looking at all the bits and going, oh, that's clever.

13:28Oh, look, the taps are white.

13:29Oh, look at this.

13:30Have you got used to it or are you still walking around marvelling at it?

13:33Getting more used to it.

13:34Yeah.

13:34I mean, it changes a bit over time.

13:36You know, it was the middle of summer when we moved in, but we only ever saw it in a factory

13:40until then.

13:41So it was quite a big reveal.

13:42One of the things I thought when I watched this episode was if you could just plonk the house

13:46down, you could walk around it and go, actually, I don't like that view.

13:50Let's rotate it.

13:52You haven't moved the house, have you?

13:53Not since it went in.

13:54But yeah, we had to turn it on the plot a little bit so we could get around it.

13:59The original design was a bit close to the fence, so they had to twist it a bit.

14:02We don't have enough rotating houses on Grand Designs.

14:05Generally speaking, we don't have enough rotating houses full stop.

14:08Why not?

14:08Different view every hour.

14:09Little summer houses that people used to build used to rotate on their own axis like

14:13that to follow the sun around.

14:14You can do that, of course, by moving from one room to another, because you've oriented

14:17the rooms to pick up the morning light, the evening light, the midday sun.

14:21Yeah, no, it's true.

14:22Yeah.

14:22One of the big talking points in this episode, of course, were the bats.

14:26There was some huge foreshadowing going on there.

14:30Will the bats allow you to build?

14:32What are the bats saying about the whole thing?

14:34Can we get the license sorted?

14:36We're going to get some bat stats for you in a second, Kevin.

14:38But how worried were you, Pete and A, about the bat situation?

14:42It was just taking a long time, I think.

14:45We had to go through lots of different departments to get through everything.

14:49And waiting for the season to go past.

14:52I think we had to do bat survey like three times.

14:55I mean, there was definitely a period of a couple of months where it was basically all

14:59we were able to tell people.

15:01What's happening with your house?

15:03Oh, we're kind of waiting for a bat process that we don't really understand that nobody

15:07can explain to us.

15:08And at the end, there was?

15:10And there was no bats.

15:11Six grand it cost in total.

15:15Do the bats see that money, Kevin?

15:16Does that go to them?

15:17Indirectly, yes.

15:18They get a home too.

15:19Great.

15:19It also goes to pay for all those good people at Natural England who issue the licenses and

15:23everything.

15:23But really, the big wait is for the bats because they actually hibernate.

15:28They go into a thing called torpor in winter.

15:31And they can wait from this if it's a nice day and go hunting for some food.

15:35So they're in this kind of fragile state, sleeping.

15:37And that's a time when you can't really disturb them.

15:40Once they're on the move, you know, also nobody quite knows how many places bats live in.

15:45So they've got like a winter roost usually.

15:48And then they might have several summer roosts.

15:50They might have a few feeding roosts.

15:51And then there's a maternity roost.

15:52So it gets very complicated.

15:54No ecologist I've ever met is quite prepared to commit to the full understanding of the life

15:59cycle of a bat.

16:01What have you got there?

16:02What species have you got?

16:03Pipistrel, which I think is fairly common.

16:05Yeah.

16:06So the common pipistrel, which is the most common bat we've got, I think there are about three

16:11million.

16:11Bat stat.

16:12Bat stat.

16:12Compared to the lesser horseshoe, I think there are only about 50,000 lesser horses.

16:17Much smaller population.

16:18Bat stat.

16:19Bat stat.

16:19Three million's a lot, though.

16:21Three million's quite good.

16:22I mean, that's one bat for every 20 people.

16:23So we're doing okay.

16:24We're not eating them, are we?

16:25No.

16:26No.

16:26That would be a really meagre meal, but the point being is that they're protected anyway,

16:30so you can't eat them.

16:31I don't want to.

16:32They only weigh the same as the 20pp's.

16:34Beautiful little faces they've got, the pipistrels, lesser horseshoes, less pretty.

16:38I'd have to wonder whether or not their popularity and population size is related to their ugliness.

16:43Bat stat?

16:43I don't know.

16:44Bat stat.

16:45That's bat speculation.

16:46That's bat speculation.

16:47See, I love bats.

16:48I think they've got an interesting, kind of tricky reputation, bats, I think.

16:52You know, they're Halloween-y, they're spooky.

16:54But actually, I think they're kind of amazing, and they're protected for a reason.

16:57You like a bat, don't you, Kevin?

16:58I love a bat.

16:59I mean, so many people do, because they're a great marker of biodiversity, of kind of,

17:03you know, species-rich environment, which is great.

17:05And they live for 40 years, some of them, right?

17:08So I'd like to know, because you've got a license from Natural England, heavens, that

17:12took enough time to come through.

17:13What provision does it say you've got to make for the bats?

17:16What have you done to make life better for them?

17:17Maybe you could see, like, it's just that through that window behind us, there's a bat

17:21box that they can go and live in there.

17:23Yeah, you're cohabiting the same site together.

17:26That's a nice thing.

17:26It's nice.

17:27What were the main stresses for you during this build?

17:30What were the bits you look back on and go, I'm so glad that that bit's over?

17:35I don't know.

17:36It hasn't been that stress.

17:37The stress is kind of like, where am I going to put everything?

17:40Well, that's a nice problem to have, isn't it?

17:41It was a lovely episode to watch, because you thought, this is working out.

17:44The bit that would have stressed me out would have been spending three quarters of a million

17:47pounds on a house that's being delivered on a truck driven by a 10-year-old.

17:52And then you think, oh, God, please be careful, be careful.

17:56And then it drops.

17:57Surely there was a moment where you thought, oh, God, this has gone really badly.

18:00Yeah, maybe I'm overly optimistic, or maybe you have to be.

18:04But yeah, there's times when I wondered what we were doing.

18:08And I remember Kevin playing back at some point, The Risk, and I was like, yeah, I actually

18:12hadn't thought about that, Kevin.

18:14But yeah, most of it, I kind of assumed the guys knew what they were doing and it would

18:19be OK.

18:19And then there was moments of, oh, my God, yeah, it's on the road somewhere.

18:24What happens if it falls off the crane?

18:26And there was a big noise at some point.

18:28It was quite exciting, wasn't it, today?

18:32Felt excited more than worried on the day.

18:35Also, it was so quick.

18:36If you had to worry about something, it was probably either going to manifest or go away

18:41within a week or two, because everything was happening at wall speed.

18:45It's a lovely outlook to have.

18:47And Kevin, I wondered how you felt with this sort of build, because you don't see every

18:52single stage of the build.

18:53It just suddenly, bang, it's there.

18:55Yeah.

18:56It puts her finger on it.

18:57It's the fact that actually the process ought to be exciting.

19:01Yeah.

19:01Working with architects, seeing a houseboat ought to be exciting.

19:04And so often that is engulfed by stress and worry.

19:08And in this project, the glorious thing was just seeing these guys enjoy it.

19:12Yeah.

19:13When you consider the options, right, mud for a year on the road, right?

19:17All those lorry movements coming every day, another concrete lorry turning up, more supplies,

19:21blocking the road, can't get the kids to school.

19:23You know, people getting really antsy because these people are taking forever.

19:27That house arrived before anybody got out of bed that morning.

19:29It was just like, it was there.

19:30Are you talking just personally?

19:32I was up at half three to be with the lorry, in the lorry at 4 a.m.

19:37Yeah.

19:37In fact, I got up before anybody else.

19:39No, I didn't.

19:39No, you did.

19:40You drove one of our house here, one part of the house.

19:43You drove it here, yeah.

19:44I did not drive anything.

19:46Oh, sorry.

19:46Okay, I sat in the cab.

19:47But you were in the cab with the lovely guy, who I just referred to as a 10-year-old,

19:51who was doing his first big drop of that.

19:54It's the first time he'd driven a wide load.

19:56Do you know what he's doing?

19:57He's training to be a pilot, right?

19:59Anybody who's training to be a pilot and who's driving a lorry, I'm going to trust.

20:02Pete and A, it's been great having you on this episode of the podcast,

20:06and great to see that you're enjoying the house, and we wish you all the best in it.

20:10Pete and A, thank you so much.

20:12I'm very happy they're happy.

20:14Yeah, they seem delighted.

20:16A bit too happy for my liking.

20:18No, no, I'm joking, I'm joking.

20:19I want something to happen, a window to fall out.

20:22I love suspense.

20:23I love stories where you think, which way is it going to go?

20:26I thought that about the house.

20:27Which way is the house going to go as it was being dropped?

20:28Physically, yeah, yeah.

20:29Kevin, believe it or not, we have listeners and viewers,

20:32and they have questions for you, okay?

20:35Tom's in London.

20:36We're going to start with one which you can refuse to answer,

20:39but it's something that I've also wanted to ask,

20:40and I promise this doesn't come from me.

20:42This is actually from Tom.

20:43Not sure if this is allowed, says Tom.

20:45Tom, if you're filming at someone's house

20:46and they haven't plumbed the toilet yet,

20:48where do you go for things?

20:50Number two.

20:51Number two, a dump.

20:52Oh, come on.

20:53Where do you go for a grand design?

20:56There is usually a site toilet that's been prepared.

20:59I don't have a dedicated one for me.

21:00Yeah, I'm an expert on...

21:02Okay.

21:03Yeah.

21:03Good.

21:04...on site toilets.

21:05The best site toilet ever was the hoof house,

21:08and the Germans came over,

21:09and they brought their own site toilet,

21:11and they finished the house early

21:13so they could all drive through the night back to Germany

21:16in order to watch the football.

21:18And before they went, they swept their van,

21:20and they swept and cleaned the site toilet.

21:23That's German efficiency.

21:24You see how I sidestepped that question?

21:26Yeah.

21:27How many of the grand designs have you gone to the toilet in?

21:32For a wee?

21:33Obviously a few.

21:34For a wee.

21:35Okay, several things here, right, to point out.

21:38Architecture.

21:38One way to experience architecture is walking through it.

21:40That's what we try to do with the cameras, right?

21:42One is by standing still.

21:43Not many people do that.

21:45Sitting down is a really good way.

21:47And actually, in Pete and Ace House,

21:48I sat down on the server to appreciate the volumes

21:51from a different viewing point,

21:53from a sat position because you see more sky out the window

21:56and the ceilings appear higher and all that.

21:58So that's legit, right?

22:00Another is to go to the loo.

22:01Yep.

22:02Try out the flush.

22:03See what kind of toilet they've installed,

22:04whether it's a Japanese-style toilet that plays music

22:07and washes your bum and has lights in it.

22:10I've been to one house where they have one of those toilets.

22:12Just one in all these years.

22:13And it was fantastic.

22:15It was like going to a fairground.

22:16How about this from Zane?

22:17Zane has got a question that actually I have as well for you.

22:20Is the final speech at the end of each episode

22:22the soliloquy, if you will, pre-written or off the cuff?

22:26It's read off my cuff.

22:30Hang on.

22:30I did write the answer down to this question in my phone.

22:33I could read it out.

22:34Please.

22:34Yes.

22:34The end piece to camera is not pre-written.

22:38It is rehearsed on camera over about 12 takes,

22:42much to the annoyance of every single member of the crew

22:45who want to go home.

22:47It's usually dark by the time we finish.

22:49They say, you know, you never finish an edit.

22:51You only ever abandon it.

22:53And with end pieces to camera, when it gets dark,

22:55that's when we stop filming.

22:56Great.

22:56Well, we're going to abandon this episode right now.

22:59Kevin, thank you.

23:00We're back next week for episode three of Grand Designs Deconstructed.

23:05Goodbye.

23:06Thanks for joining us.

23:07We'll be back next week at the same time.

23:09That's after Grand Designs, which is on at nine o'clock on Channel 4,

23:13where, of course, you can also find pretty well

23:15every episode of Grand Designs ever made.

23:18Plus, of course, we're on YouTube.

23:20And as for the podcast, that's also available wherever you find your podcasts.

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