Grand Designs Deconstructed Season 1 Episode 3

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00:00Hello and welcome to Grand Designs Deconstructed.

00:21I'm Greg James and this is Kevin MacLeod.

00:23Thank you, Greg.

00:24And we are about to unpack the latest episode of this amazing TV series that I've been obsessed

00:30with for my whole life, but also dive into some of the bigger themes that this show covers

00:36and look at the cultural impact that you, Kevin, have had on the world.

00:41I love it.

00:41I love you.

00:42And I love this episode.

00:45Honestly, this is one of my favorite ever episodes of Grand Designs and that's extraordinary that

00:49it can happen 26 years on.

00:51I love you for saying that.

00:52But before we get there, I want to talk about the phone problem.

00:56Yes, it was my, should we call it a burner phone?

00:58Was it now?

00:59Well, in as much as if you're going on building sites all the time with a phone, you don't

01:02take your posh phone with you.

01:04So is this the phone number you give to the contributors because you don't want them bothering

01:07you?

01:07Kevin, can we have your number?

01:08Stay in touch.

01:09Yeah, sure.

01:09Because it's either going to catch fire or disappear in the mud underneath a tractor or

01:13a dumper wheel or it's going to have a tree land on it, which is what happened.

01:17Quick health check on the phone.

01:18Still smashed?

01:19Yep.

01:20This, however, is not.

01:21This is a straight phone and the one I had previously is a bent phone.

01:27Literally 45 degrees, still working.

01:30I was amazed that you allowed that to happen.

01:32This was a challenge to see how precise the precision cutting of the timber was.

01:36Over 26 years of this show, though, there must be some accidents.

01:41It's small things.

01:41He says knowing that there were some accidents.

01:44You've got a list.

01:44It's more than I can remember.

01:45Let me tick them off.

01:46Yes.

01:46Look, there was a period for about three years during and after lockdown when, because

01:51of various shielding requirements and so forth, I was driving a mobile home for three years.

01:56And there was one night when I was very late.

01:58I got to some place where I was pitched up for the night.

02:01And this is a time when hotels weren't open.

02:03So put the camper van in a golf club.

02:04It was all arranged with the golf club.

02:05They weren't there.

02:06They'd shut.

02:07I woke up in the morning.

02:08There's terrible noise of diggers and drilling.

02:11I looked out my window and the entire car park was being dug up by contractors.

02:14I couldn't get out.

02:15But did you not feel at home?

02:16Because that does sound like the start of an episode of Grand Designs.

02:18Well, it did help that I was able to press my credentials and say, guys, come on.

02:21And they say, oh, sorry, sir.

02:23They must have completely freaked out when they saw you on site.

02:26And then I did manage to reverse one of the camper vans, because I got through three of them,

02:31into a big hinge on a gate, which was like a massive spike that just went straight through the back tire.

02:37And there are all kinds of explaining to do as a result of that.

02:39That was on my list.

02:41And also on my list are the following.

02:43A drone accidentally flew into the sea.

02:45Not my fault.

02:45Thanks very much.

02:46And a concrete pump went out of control and sprayed the main camera about 10 years ago and completely wrote it off.

02:52Again, I was not in charge of the concrete pump, right?

02:54Yeah.

02:55But this is your show.

02:56So it's your name above the door.

02:57I could take some kind of collective responsibility here, but I'm not going to.

03:02Was it the screed pump?

03:03Yeah, you know, it has massive tubes.

03:04I was, I'm fascinated.

03:04Oh, I love those things.

03:05The moment you switch it on and nothing happens for three minutes and then suddenly all hell breaks loose

03:09and this giant snake whips around everywhere, spraying everybody.

03:13And when they're out of control, you don't want to go near.

03:16Now, every week on this podcast, I say every week, we don't have none to,

03:19but for the last two weeks, I've been bringing a drinks pairing for the episode,

03:24something related to the location or the build.

03:27But this week, I wasn't allowed.

03:29Which I was alarmed at, but also quite pleased because I hear that you've paired a drink

03:34with the episode.

03:35So what have we gone for?

03:35This episode takes place in the middle of Woodland in West Wales, near the coast.

03:40And a neighbor of Abby and Marcus, who own this little bit of Woodland and a building in it,

03:46is a foraging distiller.

03:48It's called James.

03:49And this is a pale vermouth that he makes.

03:52It's quite strong.

03:53It smells a bit like sherry, yeah?

03:55Yeah, that's really...

03:56Can you taste the seaweed?

03:58It's definitely there, isn't it?

03:59Oh, cheers.

04:02What do you think?

04:04Oh!

04:04What are you getting?

04:06It is quite woody.

04:07It feels earthy and...

04:08Yeah, there's some dulse in there, seaweed.

04:10There's some wormwood.

04:11Not to be confused with woodworm.

04:12And salt from the sea.

04:16This is fantastic.

04:17It's quite good, isn't it?

04:17Yeah.

04:18I love the fact where if you go around the country now, there are people distilling and

04:21making local botanicals.

04:24Delicious drink and the foraged nature of it links back to Abby and Marcus and the timber

04:30which was sourced from near their house to build their house.

04:32Oh, hugely.

04:33I mean, we see Marcus foraging for trees.

04:36He goes and finds the right ones, the right shape, the right length.

04:39He's then processing, cutting, milling, leaving them to dry and then building with them.

04:44And it's glorious.

04:45We see the cycle from tree to house on the same patch of land.

04:49I love that.

04:49And the difference, of course, between the planks, the floorboard and the standing tree,

04:54the difference between them is human energy and craftsmanship.

04:56And at one point, Marcus says, doesn't he?

04:58He says, I have felled this.

05:00I have dried it.

05:00I have sawn it.

05:01I have planed it.

05:02I have brought it up.

05:03I have cut it to length.

05:04I've positioned it.

05:05Now I've got to bloody well oil it and polish the thing, you know?

05:08When I was watching this one, the reason I say it's one of my favorite ever is because

05:12if I was going to do a Grand Designs, I want to do something like this.

05:14And I go, it's outdoors.

05:16It's completely opposite to my life currently.

05:18It's a real escapism.

05:19It's off grid.

05:21It's creative and slightly wacky.

05:23And there's no plan.

05:24And the budget is tiny and sort of against all the odds.

05:27But who cares?

05:28We're just going to do a really lovely thing and sort of return to nature.

05:31So, yeah, let's talk about the one planet development.

05:33What is this?

05:34What's going on here?

05:35So for this, we rewind 20 years and a little booklet produced by WWF UK and a charity called

05:42Bioregional describing how, as a planet, we use our Earth's resources at a rate which

05:50is unsustainable.

05:51So at the rate of consumption that we currently have, we'd need one and a half planets.

05:56But actually in the UK, we need just for our lifestyle, two and a half planets.

05:59The argument therefore runs that we need to be conserving our resources, right?

06:04And the lovely thing about one planet development is that it takes that philosophy and it makes

06:08it real.

06:09It makes it into a planning policy that helps people move towards those goals.

06:13All these things which now have formed part of the United Nations development goals, right?

06:16So it all started with one planet living, really.

06:19There are 53 of these projects.

06:21And the policy has been around since 2010.

06:22And that's so few.

06:24But it's very hard to do though, right?

06:25It's incredibly hard to do because it's one thing to build a house.

06:28It's another to change your life and your lifestyle as you're building and then commit

06:33to a five-year deadline for those changes to take effect.

06:36So you need to be really kind of committed and quite hardcore about that.

06:39I mean, also the other thing here is that we saw Abby and Marcus, who are members of a

06:43food-growing cooperative, you know, already kind of engaging with growing their own food.

06:47And of course, if you're living in a three-bedroom semi and you're trying to retrofit that to

06:51this kind of standard, you'd be calling into question how you live, what you do for a living

06:55and how the kids get to school, all that stuff.

06:58It can sort of blow your mind.

06:59I mean, on top of that, you're trying to build a house, right?

07:02So it's amazing that anybody even follows it.

07:04But what it's doing is showing as examples.

07:06And the reason I love this film so much is that we can see how we ought to be living 20,

07:1330 years from now, all of us.

07:14Well, it's inspirational as well because you watch that and you think, okay, well, I can't

07:19possibly make all those changes now, today.

07:22It's a good example of changing little bits of your life and actually just trying that

07:26out.

07:26And actually, if everyone just changed a little something, you go, oh, actually, that's

07:29okay.

07:29I can compromise there.

07:30I can compromise here.

07:31They're setting a great example for all of us.

07:34So do you want to buy a bit of woodland now and build a shack and get a chainsaw?

07:38I was sort of horrified that after five years of sorting out their grand design, they're

07:43still being audited.

07:44But I have to say, having traveled around Europe and seen how people do it elsewhere, that idea

07:49of auditing is something that Europeans find really normal.

07:52It's just the British find it really weird.

07:54Look, we move into homes and we control the heating by turning everything up to full and

07:58then opening the windows.

07:59Right, that's not passing the audit.

08:00It's certainly not, but it is a very British way of thinking.

08:02Now, the targets, I was really fascinated to learn about these targets that they have

08:06to hit.

08:0765% of the household's basic needs must come from the land.

08:1165% is vastly more than most people.

08:13Food, water, energy and income.

08:15Yeah.

08:15The majority of that income should be generated from the land.

08:18Yeah.

08:19Buildings should be built from local materials and should be off grid and be very low carbon

08:22to run.

08:23And then emissions in general limit your travel and your fossil fuel use as well.

08:29That's the hard one because it's all very well having an electric car.

08:33But if you've got a family, you've got kids, you know, as a household, you've got a responsibility.

08:38And so you've got to inculcate the whole family into this kind of new philosophy, this new

08:42way of living and thinking, I think it's hard for kids.

08:44It's hard because of the social pressures from friends and so on.

08:47And even as adults, you talk to your mates, where are you going on holiday?

08:50I'm going to Lanzarote.

08:51OK, how are you getting there?

08:52Well, we're going to swim.

08:53Horse.

08:54We joke about it.

08:55But actually reducing our carbon footprint individually as households is really, really

09:00important.

09:00I have to say, however, the Climate Change Committee said that individual households can affect

09:06about 20% of their total carbon footprint.

09:08But it's up to government and policy and business to change the other 80%.

09:13But I think it's incumbent upon us all to try and do what we can for what we are responsible

09:17for.

09:17So not only are there loads of targets they have to hit, they have to do a huge planning

09:21document, and then they get audited five years later.

09:24But actually, when that's all sorted, building in woodland is very difficult in itself.

09:29I mean, literally, it's making a rod for your own back, isn't it?

09:31Because on the one hand, that's how they're going to make a living is using the woodland.

09:34But that means they've got to build in the woodland as well.

09:37Marcus, of course, is brilliant with timber, as is Simon, his business partner.

09:40So you see them kind of wrangling this thing and seeing this building emerge from Marcus's

09:44head, as it were, you know, with very few drawings.

09:47That's the thing I really related to with Marcus.

09:49Yeah, medieval way of building.

09:50Well, it's not medieval.

09:51It's just wouldn't be able to concentrate to do the plans and I can't draw.

09:54So I go, I think maybe that there, this there, and that could be nice.

09:57And maybe the roof like that.

09:59And I loved that.

10:00It was really free.

10:01At the same time as building to really high standards.

10:04So he's got super insulated walls and he's got mechanical ventilation.

10:07So he's kind of had to make it all airtight.

10:09And it's complicated.

10:11It's technical.

10:11I think with Simon's help, you know, Simon's very much the detail man.

10:14I think that the pair of them are fantastic design partners.

10:17Yeah.

10:17Off-grid living.

10:19Could you do it?

10:20Well, yes.

10:20Because when you think about what off-grid is, it means that you're not connected to

10:24the services.

10:25So it's quite specific.

10:26Like you've got your own power, solar.

10:28You've got your own sewage.

10:29OK, so you put in a reed bed.

10:31It might be lucky enough to have a well or a water supply.

10:33And you build in such a way that you super insulate.

10:35So your energy consumption really reduces.

10:37So all of that is entirely doable.

10:39The great difficulty comes in moving towards the one planet position.

10:43And Wales has this massive objective of trying to, in the next 25 years, get to a position

10:50where they are meeting one planet objectives as a nation.

10:54I don't know how you do that.

10:55But it's something to aim for.

10:57Kevin, it's time for adverts.

10:58And I want you to show me the ways.

11:00How do I get into the ad break in the grand design style?

11:04It's always with suspense.

11:05OK.

11:05So it might be, the windows were meant to be here last week.

11:09The windows were meant to be here last week.

11:12And whenever Janine phones the company, no one picks up.

11:16And whenever Janine phones the company, no one picks up.

11:22That's it.

11:22See you in a minute.

11:23Welcome back to Grand Designs Deconstructed.

11:35Let's keep chatting.

11:37Kevin, I want to speak to Marcus and Abby now, if that's all right with you.

11:40Oh, yeah.

11:40No, of course.

11:42Glasses on, please.

11:43Got them on.

11:44There they are.

11:45Hello.

11:46Marcus, Abby.

11:46Hi.

11:47What is it like in your beautiful woodland house?

11:50It's amazing.

11:51We did it.

11:51We survived.

11:53We're living there.

11:54We did it.

11:55I was exhausted by the end, but we've had time to relax into it and enjoy it.

11:59Yeah, I still get the feeling like coming down the drive now and you see it and you go,

12:03oh, that's a really nice house.

12:04Who lives there?

12:04And then you remember, oh, it's my house.

12:07Especially when the fairy lights are on in the night.

12:09It just feels lovely to come back to.

12:11It's a lovely feeling.

12:12What a wonderful summary.

12:14That's the nicest feeling.

12:15You go, oh, I'd love to live there.

12:17Oh, wait, I do.

12:18Because you can talk about the one planet development policy and green eco living and

12:23the idea of selfless sustainability.

12:26But actually, in amongst all of that, really important is the romance of this house and

12:32where it is.

12:33And I think that's such an important thing because it reminds you what matters when we

12:36build.

12:36Well, that's why I was immediately hooked into this episode and thought, this is a bit of

12:42me.

12:42This is on course to becoming an all-time classic.

12:44And I do think it's an all-time classic episode of Grand Designs.

12:47And I've watched every single one of them many, many times.

12:49And I love your house.

12:50I'm incredibly jealous of it as well.

12:52You say that to me.

12:53He's telling the truth.

12:54You know, off camera, Greg's been kind of eulogizing this project.

12:57I think he's trying to move in.

12:59Yes.

13:00Well, actually, look, you've teed me up perfectly.

13:02Would it be weird if I came around for an outside bath at some point?

13:05Of course he can, yeah.

13:06I mean, I love a bath.

13:08That outside bath looks unbelievable.

13:10Is it big enough for you?

13:11Greg's seven foot nine, right?

13:12So a long bath?

13:13I can't remember.

13:14Make it L-shaped so I can fold around.

13:17I do recommend the outside bath.

13:19It is like one of the things that kind of stayed with the, we had a little tester kind

13:23of off-grid living for a couple of years.

13:25There was some great stuff, but it was hard work.

13:27But the outside bath was just like one thing when you really wanted to keep.

13:30And yeah.

13:31I like to sit on there with the phone app that tells you all the birds as well.

13:34I sit in the bath and you go, oh, there was a conquist.

13:38All of this.

13:39All of that.

13:40Yeah, it's just being outside, isn't it?

13:41Being in warm water, but outside and the fresh air and looking at the sky.

13:46It's one of those secret experiences that when you've done it, you realise how fundamental

13:50it is to human existence.

13:52Yeah.

13:52Cleaning.

13:53I've got an outdoor shower at home.

13:55Have you?

13:55Yeah.

13:56The outdoor shower is one of the things I've always wanted in my life.

13:59Ever since I had an outdoor shower once and I thought, this is the way to live.

14:01It's just small pleasures.

14:03The thing I really love still now is like every morning kind of getting up and just

14:06the feeling of like walking on the floorboards.

14:08Like they don't creak for one thing.

14:09They're really, they're beautifully made and they just feel amazing.

14:12And people talk about that grounding experience, but it just really feels like it.

14:16Wonderful dog in the episode as well.

14:18How's Domino?

14:18Domino's fine.

14:19Does Domino love it?

14:19In fact, last night, the girl's like, look, there's a fox on, we don't really have

14:22a lawn, but right in front of the house.

14:24And we had a few moments looking at a really bright red fox and then Domino got a whiff

14:29of it and barked it away.

14:32We're supposed to be embracing the biodiversity.

14:34So we're like, Domino, just, it's not a code red.

14:35It's okay.

14:36You can stand down.

14:37Yeah.

14:37You've got to tell Domino about the audit.

14:38Yeah.

14:39She could blow the whole thing for you.

14:40She's messing it up.

14:41Yeah.

14:42I have to say, Domino is great in the film because ordinarily when you're filming a

14:47conversation, you've got one or two cameras.

14:49One camera's on the person that's talking.

14:50One camera's looking for a reaction shot from the other person.

14:53But most of the time we had a camera trained on Domino because whenever anybody was saying,

14:58she would react to it.

14:59She was like, you know, it was the best.

15:01She's in the film quite a lot.

15:02I'm actually sad she's not on the call.

15:04She was.

15:04She was in the car really.

15:05Yeah.

15:05I could have had it here.

15:06You're not at home now.

15:07I know this because that's not your home.

15:09That's your workshop, is it?

15:10Yeah.

15:11The main reason is our Wi-Fi is pretty ropey at the house and the girls constantly remind

15:16us of that.

15:17Well, I love how excited you were by the whole thing, both of you.

15:20And the idea of just designing this thing and not really doing too many drawings and

15:25just going, yeah, I think that's what we're going to do.

15:26We're going to learn on the job.

15:27We're going to watch some YouTube videos and we're going to really go for it.

15:30It felt like a very heart led project.

15:34And I wonder, Abby, whether you thought at any point, I wish there were some slightly

15:39better drawings of this and there was a bit more of an idea.

15:42Or was that part of the joy of the whole thing is that it was created sort of through passion

15:48and just, yeah, that would be good.

15:49Let's go for that.

15:50Yeah.

15:50I mean, I guess we've been married for how long?

15:5315 years.

15:5415 years.

15:54Yeah.

15:54I know what he's like.

15:56Yeah.

15:56I kind of also have faith in that.

15:59But I think it was really reassuring to know that he was working with Simon as well.

16:02I think you probably get a nice sense in the programme of their relationship and like

16:05how that works.

16:05And Simon was kind of keeping him accountable.

16:07It would have happened without Simon, but it wouldn't have been finished and it wouldn't

16:11have been really so good.

16:14And I just knew that I could totally rely on him for so much stuff.

16:17So it is a massive thank you to Simon.

16:19The only thing is I'm just not quite sure how everything works.

16:22I wish he'd kind of like just explain some of the systems to me a bit more.

16:25So I was thinking the other day, like in terms of the heating and the electricity and

16:28the, if anything happens to Marcus, like I'm going to be scuffed.

16:31He's sort of keeping that close to his chest.

16:33And Simon, I'm sure, understands his way around this stuff.

16:35Two, but obviously it means from now on that neither of them can travel together.

16:39One of them always has to be separated from the other just in case of an accident.

16:42It's a love story between them.

16:44Sort of.

16:45Have you found any of the new ways of living difficult to get used to?

16:48What are the trickier bits of it?

16:50Just last week, we've had loads of rain.

16:53All the summer, it's just tons of sunshine.

16:54So too much power.

16:56And then just last week, suddenly I'm starting to monitor it a bit more.

16:59You know, I just sort of said to the girls, like, oh, maybe we won't put the washing

17:03machine on today.

17:04Let's see what the sun's doing tomorrow.

17:06And I just had this.

17:07It's bad enough living in the middle of the bloody woods, let alone having to, like,

17:12not use a hairdryer.

17:14So pressure from them.

17:15Whereas I quite like it.

17:16I quite like looking at the forecast going, oh, we can do a lot of washing tomorrow.

17:19Yeah, and I guess also, like, you can ask us in, like, the winter solstice, you know,

17:24like, at the moment, it's still kind of all right, isn't it?

17:26But I've been amazed by how little we've had to really think about it.

17:30Like, actually, once we connected or we had a quarter of the solar connected, then we

17:33realised we were really sort of running low on power.

17:34So we got the rest of it connected.

17:36And actually, we haven't had to make those compromises or those sacrifices.

17:38But by December...

17:40December, whether we have Christmas lights is going to be the big thing, isn't it?

17:44Yeah.

17:44What it is good for, though, is Halloween.

17:46Yes.

17:46Kevin Woods is immediately spooky.

17:48Yeah.

17:48So that's just candles.

17:50Yeah.

17:50And the girls can have a great Halloween party.

17:52And that makes up for it, you know.

17:53Yeah.

17:53They have, for the first time, because initially, they were absolutely like, no, we don't

17:57want to bring our friends back here.

17:59This is really embarrassing.

18:00You know, they're great for managing your ego, teenagers, in the sense that you just get

18:04it absolutely eviscerated.

18:05But one of them has just sort of brought a friend back the other day and, you know, wanted

18:09to say, I want someone to come back here.

18:10This is my home.

18:11They're warming up to it.

18:12Yeah, they're warming up to it.

18:13Unlike the house, which is going to cool down quite quickly in the water.

18:17Before you were here, we were saying nice things about you.

18:19And we were talking about how inspirational and admirable this is.

18:24So I do think that there's going to be a huge impact that projects like this have on

18:28people, even though your kids might immediately go, oh, but the hairdryer.

18:32But they realise that that's a luxury and that takes energy.

18:35And when you make the energy, you preserve it in a different way, I guess.

18:38So what you're doing, I think, is genuinely remarkable and full of admiration for you

18:42both.

18:42Do you feel like pioneers?

18:43Do you feel as though that you've been entrusted with this opportunity to experiment, to find

18:48a way that will help other people?

18:51What's your view?

18:52I don't really think of us as pioneers at all.

18:54But I suppose the reason why we went on Grand Designs was to show that you could live this

18:59lifestyle, but in not the stereotypical way, I suppose.

19:02I wanted the house to be a little bit more design-led and less of that stereotypical

19:08off-grid sort of feeling so that people could maybe aspire to it and go, oh, right, you

19:12don't have to look or feel like that to live that kind of lifestyle.

19:16Yeah, it's quite polarising, isn't it, that debate?

19:18And you often come up against that, well, you know, we can't all live in caves.

19:21And there was a bit of an impetus there to kind of go, well, you don't actually have to

19:24live in a cave.

19:24You know, you can live in a really, really nice house.

19:26And you can live a modern life that is sort of stylish, but it's just paired back environmentally.

19:32It's just more simple.

19:33And it's more connected to nature.

19:34And actually, that's just genuinely nicer for you as well.

19:38It's a subtle thing, but because all the materials we use, we're all the best environmentally.

19:42But there is a sort of feeling in the house.

19:44It feels nice.

19:45I don't know what it is.

19:46Or it's the forest or it feels good in there because the lime plaster, the natural

19:51wood.

19:52The wood would be very happy with what you've made for it, I'd say.

19:54I loved it.

19:55Do you know what?

19:56It's really good to see you both because you look both well.

19:58I was tired at the end.

20:00You're very tired.

20:01Poor man.

20:01Yeah, yeah, yeah.

20:02Thank you so much, Marcus and Abby.

20:04Lovely to have you on the podcast and have an amazing winter, batten down the hatches.

20:09Just rig up that bicycle, Marcus, you know, to the dynamo and you'll be fine.

20:13Lots of love to you.

20:15Thank you so much, guys.

20:16Take care.

20:16Bye-bye.

20:17Bye-bye.

20:19Hold them away.

20:20Lovely.

20:20What a life.

20:21Delightful people.

20:22They are both extraordinary human beings.

20:25The woodland life looks good on them.

20:26It does, doesn't it?

20:27Should we do some questions?

20:29So many people want to ask you questions, which is reassuring because it means that people

20:33are watching and listening.

20:34Margie from southern New Zealand says, kia ora, Kevin.

20:38Kia ora.

20:38So what is your grand design for your life?

20:42You show us so many others.

20:44Can we turn the camera on you this time?

20:46Nope.

20:46For all kinds of reasons, because it would be a distraction, wouldn't it?

20:51Oh, like, here's my kitchen.

20:52Yeah, but it's not like the one.

20:53No, it's not like the ones we showed you last week.

20:54But the point is, it's my kitchen.

20:56It's my house, my home.

20:57And I'll do it the way I want.

20:58Thank you very much.

20:59Go away.

21:00And there's a sort of natural prurience we all have to understand what people's homes

21:04are like, you know.

21:05And I think my job is to show lots of examples of other people's houses.

21:10If all I did was talk about my kitchen units, that would color my work.

21:14Because people would be thinking, well, it's not like the one you've got, Kevin, in your

21:17house.

21:18No, it's not.

21:19That's not the point.

21:19I'm there to celebrate other people's work.

21:21And besides which, it would also kind of trash my reputation instantly.

21:26I've got to uphold standards.

21:27Can you describe one bit of your house?

21:29Yeah.

21:30OK.

21:30Give us a little something.

21:31Yeah, no, no.

21:31I've got three things mattered to me.

21:32One is a view of the sunset.

21:34One is some kind of hammock arrangement somewhere.

21:36Nice.

21:36And one is some kind of place where I can sling my hammock to not get wet and sit and watch

21:40the sunset.

21:41Oh.

21:42And I have now all three of those things.

21:45It took me nearly all my life.

21:46It took me 65 years to get those three things.

21:49Lovely things.

21:50Jared's in New York.

21:51Hi, Jared.

21:52Thank you so much for tuning in from New York.

21:54What is one part of the home building process that you just hate and avoid at all costs?

21:58That one thing that you personally cannot stand?

22:01Three letter word.

22:03Mud.

22:04Mud.

22:05Mud.

22:06I find mud in a field at home.

22:07I now have to sidestep it.

22:09I've got a pair of shoes in my suitcase here, covered in mud.

22:12I've got 15 pairs of boots, covered in various mud.

22:15Yeah.

22:15I can't escape it.

22:16So if you were to restart Grand Designs from the very beginning, every single build is

22:21June in Tuscany.

22:22Yeah.

22:23Wouldn't that be nice?

22:24Kevin, I've thoroughly enjoyed this episode.

22:27Oh, me too.

22:28I mean, not least because when you relate to people and to the project, you feel a sort of

22:33bond there, and I can sense you feel that.

22:35Yeah.

22:36Yeah.

22:36I also feel this bond.

22:37Oh, bless you, man.

22:38And I really like it.

22:39Yeah.

22:39And we've also learned you have a great vermouth, you have an outside shower.

22:44Yeah.

22:45And a burner phone.

22:46I had a burner phone.

22:48That is a job well done from me.

22:49We'll see you next time.

22:50So we'll be back next week after Grand Designs, which is on at nine o'clock on Channel 4.

22:56And incidentally, on Channel 4, you can also see pretty well every episode ever made.

23:01Plus, of course, find selected episodes on YouTube as well.

23:05See you then.

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