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00:00Brandon Pajamski was talking about the future and sort of what he sees for himself.
00:07Quote, he's talking about Steph and Draymond.
00:10Quote, when they leave this thing, they've got to leave it with somebody.
00:14How can I have their trust?
00:16And they go to Joe Lacob and Mike Dunleavy and be like, hey, we want to leave it with him.
00:21He's going to continue what we're leaving.
00:23So I think about that all the time, and I set myself up in that position to have that.
00:28And there's a lot of other things than just skill that you need to be in that position.
00:36All right.
00:37So that grabs you?
00:38Yeah.
00:39In a certain way?
00:40Yes, it grabs me in many ways.
00:42One, what he's saying is there's more than skill.
00:45There is community.
00:46There's leadership.
00:48There is a long-term contract that you sign.
00:50That way you can make it so that you are going to be here.
00:54And it's more than just, I want to be the best player.
00:57I want to average 25 a night.
00:59I want to be the next Steph Curry.
01:01I don't hear that when he says that.
01:03The first part of it that I hear is him saying he wants to be in a spot after two more years or three more years where he's looked at as a centerpiece.
01:13Not the centerpiece, but a guy that the team will want to keep and a player that Steph and Draymond will leave the team and say,
01:21you know what, the team is in good hands because Pods, he plays the right way.
01:26He plays hard.
01:27He plays with class.
01:28He's a warrior.
01:29And if Steph and Draymond retire as warriors, that's kind of also what I hear Pods say.
01:34Like, I want to be somebody to carry the torch and maybe eventually be a 12- or 15-year warrior like these guys.
01:41Dempsey, as a solid young role player who does a lot of good things that we see and a lot of good things that we don't see.
01:51He's far from perfect.
01:52He is not a completed picture.
01:55Steve Kerr has gotten frustrated with some of the things he does, whether that's barking at the ref or whatever.
02:02There was stuff down the stretch of basketball games when he was making, he was forcing it, his decision-making was off.
02:09Those are the things that he needs to do really well.
02:12He's got a little Brock Purdy in him.
02:13Like, he's got to be a good decision-maker because he's not going to overwhelm you physically.
02:18But I very much see him as somebody who's not going to hurt you out there.
02:23And then here's the other piece of his puzzle.
02:26He sees himself as, at least in the future, a big deal.
02:30Big deal, big deal, big deal.
02:33And all of you and we don't.
02:37But that doesn't bother me.
02:39You know, you and I had an interesting conversation earlier about, like, dude, see the world in yourself.
02:45And as long as that's not becoming a detriment to those around you, great.
02:50See greatness for yourself.
02:52I want everyone to do that.
02:54So, why has he become the face of the opposition whenever somebody gets into the Kaminga and Warriors conversation?
03:05What is it about Brandon Pajemski that seems to bother so many Warrior fans?
03:10Let's hear from some of you.
03:12Let's start with Shane in San Jose.
03:15Hi, Shane.
03:15We thank you for the call.
03:16What's up?
03:18Hey, guys.
03:19First of all, Eagles are covering tonight.
03:21I don't know what you guys are talking about.
03:23They're going to stop the Giants.
03:25Second of all, I want to preface this with I love Pajemski.
03:29He's a great, great role player.
03:32And key words is role player.
03:34I think there's, like, two pieces to this part of it is that the two-timeline thing is what frustrates the fan base so much
03:42because you got Steph Curry, one of the best, if not the best point guard of all time.
03:46And they forced the two-timeline thing instead of getting Curry some more actual certified shooters.
03:53And now we got Pajemski coming out here saying, I want to be the next guy.
03:58I want to be the face of the franchise.
03:59And it's like, he's a great energy guy.
04:01He's a role player.
04:02He's a blue guy.
04:03But he's not – one of his best attributes is that he can draw charges really well.
04:08Like, the amount of teardrops and layups that I saw this dude smoke in the playoffs last year made me want to tear my freaking hair out.
04:15And I think it's just the disconnect between that and also the fan base's frustrations with the two-timeline thing.
04:23Like, we wanted Curry to get more help, and now it's like, okay, I can't wait to get the franchise handed down to me.
04:29It's like, come on, man.
04:30I don't get it.
04:32Okay, Shane.
04:33Interesting, Shane.
04:33About two timelines there.
04:35Shane, thanks.
04:36What if I said this?
04:37Boy, what a weird thing for somebody to be like, dude, your best skill set is taking charges.
04:43Hey, when did the Dirty Work guy become someone you don't like?
04:48Kavon Looney made a career in this town out of being Johnny Dirty Work.
04:52Yeah, and that would be more of a backhanded compliment toward Podzemski.
04:57Yeah, like, if you are, how tall is he?
05:01What is he, 6'4"?
05:026'5", yeah.
05:02Okay.
05:03And you're getting a lot of rebounds, and you're taking charges, and you're the floppy-headed guy who doesn't look like he belongs.
05:11Like, you don't fit the picture of an NBA player.
05:14Isn't that the guy that fans usually gravitate to?
05:18Like, he's kind of an overachiever in some ways.
05:22Yes, he is, but it's the sense that he thinks that he's better than he actually is among fans.
05:28Fans think, fans look at him and think that Podz thinks that he's a player that he actually isn't.
05:34And I think that's where you get some of the disconnect with J.K., because fans look at Jonathan Kaminga and think he's better than what Steve Kerr and the coaching staff think Jonathan Kaminga is.
05:46So, Kerr's in love.
05:48He loves Podz.
05:50And he plays Podz all the time, even though Jonathan Kaminga's better.
05:54Why does Kaminga not play as much as Podz?
05:56Because Kaminga's got the ha-ha and the skeet-skeet, and all Podz does is run around and take charges and yell at the refs.
06:04That is the sentiment, and it's not my sentiment.
06:06I know it's not.
06:07I'm representing many of the people out there, and I think that what Shane was talking about with two timelines, first of all, that's a media fan creation.
06:16The team never talked about two timelines.
06:19And the other part of it is, that's not Podz's fault.
06:22That is the team's fault for drafting James Wiseman.
06:26That's the team's fault for trading Jordan Poole.
06:29And that's the team's fault and Kaminga's fault for him not being better than he actually is.
06:34Two timelines isn't working because the guys you took, the young players, have either been dealt or haven't developed.
06:42And there's enough blame to go all the way around.
06:44Yeah, and that's obviously a bigger issue that brings up all kinds of other stuff and other players through history and whatnot.
06:50Like, there are some simple answers to this.
06:54There are some simple answers to this.
06:56Brandon Pajemski and Jonathan Kaminga do not play the same position.
07:00They do not do the same things on the court.
07:04So that's, like, I would love to dig into that.
07:07Why is that not enough of an answer already when someone goes, why does he get to play?
07:12And him doesn't get to play.
07:14Well, they don't play the same position.
07:17They don't play the same position.
07:19That's a starter.
07:20The second answer, though, and this is the one that starts, this is where people get into the feelings, is that, and I think that even this quote is an extension of this,
07:34Brandon Pajemski, like, actually, I would argue, almost all Warriors not named Kaminga, have walked into the building.
07:45In fact, Jordan Poole might be the only other example.
07:48They've walked into this building, and they've gone, dude, what Steph and Draymond built is otherworldly.
07:57This warrior culture, I am so enamored to be a part of this.
08:03And all I want to do is do exactly what those guys say that I should do.
08:10That's what I want to do.
08:12Buddy Heal does that, and they've turned it into a big joke.
08:16In fact, it went viral when Steve Kerr went over to the sideline last year and introduced Buddy Heal to Steph Curry.
08:24Remember that whole thing?
08:25Hi, this is Steph Curry.
08:26He's the best shooter on the planet.
08:27So when he's open, you give him the ball.
08:29And they made a big joke about it.
08:31But that's because Buddy, like countless Warriors, have walked into the building and gone, dude, this is dynastic.
08:40This is generational.
08:43All I want to do is do exactly the things that I can do to help out this larger cause.
08:51I want to be clear here.
08:53I have no problem if Jordan Poole and Jonathan Kaminga don't want that role.
08:59What I've always advocated, though, is that if you don't want that role, great, let's find you another team that will give you the role that you want.
09:11Because I'm all about everybody getting the role that they want.
09:15But why can't, like that's the hard part, but I think it's a big deal.
09:19Why does Steve Kerr, why is everybody so accepting of BP for the same reason that they're accepting of Moses Moody?
09:28Or Kavon Looney is a great point.
09:29Or Kavon Looney.
09:30Or any of anybody else.
09:32Because almost everybody in the building is just like, this is incredible.
09:35Let's do exactly what they tell us to do.
09:38That's how most of the players have sort of reacted to this team.
09:42And that's where the frustration for Kaminga comes from internally and sometimes externally.
09:48Because there are times when Kaminga showcases his ability, his willingness to do those things.
09:54And there are other times when he doesn't.
09:56Whether it's rebounding, off-ball defense, on-ball defense, shot selection, ball movement.
10:02Whatever the things are that he struggles with at times.
10:06It's that level of inconsistency.
10:07And you can look at Brendan Pajemski and what he's done in two years.
10:12And the things that never go away for pods are the things that they can bank on.
10:18Hustle and ball movement, ball handling, rebounding, defending at the level that he can defend.
10:25He's not a great defender, but he's usually in position and he's out there giving effort.
10:31So those reliability tendencies for pods are the reason that he plays more consistently.
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10:47All right, let's keep going.
10:49Stacey in Oakland is next up.
10:51Hi, Stacey.
10:51Thank you for the call.
10:53Hey, guys.
10:55Love you.
10:55Hey, do me a favor, Shane.
10:56Hold my beer.
10:57You missed the mark.
10:59The charge king.
11:01Who can be mad about him wanting to someday take charge?
11:05Right?
11:05He's bought into the system.
11:06He's a great guy.
11:07He's a homegrown kid who wants to be the cream of the crop one day.
11:12Like, I just welcome to Overreaction Thursday, my friends.
11:16He's bought into the system.
11:17You don't hear any drama about him.
11:20He shows up.
11:21He shows out.
11:22He's not the best at everything, but he's committed.
11:25Look who he's had as an influence.
11:27Kavon.
11:28Iggy.
11:29He's got Steph and Dre, and he's always up underneath them listening.
11:32When the huddle left during the timeouts, he's not sitting on the bench just warming his knees.
11:37He's in that huddle.
11:38He wants to be a part of it.
11:39Not even want.
11:40He is.
11:41And because he is, he sees himself in the future being.
11:46I love it for the kids.
11:47Come on, y'all.
11:49Okay, Stacey.
11:50Yeah, like, again, to me, this stuff, and I, believe me, the dynamic, when I said earlier,
11:58I don't get it, I don't, I don't actually mean I don't get it, I mean, I don't kind of agree
12:05with it.
12:06It doesn't, it doesn't need to be this way, and I do think as we approach a week and a
12:11half when this season starts, there are going to be moments early in this season where some
12:16in the Warrior fan base are going to have to re-acclimate, reintroduce themselves to
12:21the idea of rooting for people who have Warrior jerseys on.
12:25I don't know how long Jonathan Kaminga's going to be here.
12:27I want every bucket to go in when he shoots it while he's here.
12:30And if he ends up here long-term, phenomenal.
12:33If this all ends up working out, if they figure out the puzzle, outstanding.
12:38But there is this, this dynamic, and maybe part, actually, if you want to point to a part
12:46of the pod's quote that is actually the piece of the puzzle that should be what we're talking
12:53about, it's not the part about him saying that he wants to be the main guy.
12:57I someday, it's the last sentence.
13:00The last sentence is when he says, there's a lot of other things than just skill that
13:06you need to be in that position.
13:09Reminiscent of what Pat Spencer said.
13:11Totally.
13:12Last week, when he goes, yeah, there's a lot of teams around the league that fall in love
13:16with length and athleticism, and that's what they focus on, and those are the teams that
13:20are in the lottery every year.
13:21I mean, that's, I don't think that this is a thing inside the Warrior locker room, but
13:27it certainly is outside it, and there's an underlying tone there of, this isn't about,
13:34as you put it, the ha-ha.
13:36Sure.
13:36This is about understanding the culture, understanding the business model, understanding respect of
13:42who's been here and who's still here, and elevating them and falling in line for what
13:49this organization is providing to you.
13:52Do you agree with that?
13:53Do you disagree with that?
13:54That's what that's up to each fan.
13:55Right.
13:55I think that's what they're saying.
13:57I think what he's saying is you have to be more of a complete basketball player, and
14:02I can't help but think about Draymond Green, and I know you're not big on Hall of Fame
14:07discussions, but do you think Draymond Green is going to be a Hall of Famer?
14:11I do.
14:11Okay.
14:12He might be, and I'd have to confirm this, but he might be the first Hall of Famer to
14:17not average double figures in points, rebounds, or assists.
14:21I don't know if that player is in the Hall of Fame.
14:23You've got Ben Wallace, who never averaged 10 a game, but he averaged more than 10
14:28rebounds.
14:29Dennis Rodman's the same.
14:31You may not have any player in basketball's Hall of Fame who played in the NBA who averaged
14:38a triple single, and yet there's no doubt that he's a Hall of Famer, and it's because of
14:42what Brandon's talking about.
14:44Now, Brandon's not ever going to be Draymond Green defensively or even offensively.
14:49I don't think Brandon's going to be a Hall of Famer, but when you think about Draymond
14:52Green, he is a complete player.
14:55Not a great score, but incredibly smart, an athletic player, an unbelievable defender,
15:02top 10 all-time on defense, and all the rest of it.
15:05And so that's what I'm hearing Brandon say.
15:07Like, if he wants to take the mantle from Steph and Draymond, well, you're not going to be
15:11the best three-point shooter ever.
15:13You're probably not going to be DPOY.
15:14But can you be a complete player in the mold of those guys?
15:20That's what I'm hearing him say.
15:21Well, and listen, I agree with you with regard to what I see in Brandon going forward, and
15:29we can have and have had conversations about what we see in Jordan Poole going forward,
15:33what we see in Jonathan Kaminga going forward.
15:36But good Lord, we all got the right to be wrong, too, right?
15:43I mean, again, I...
15:45Well, the team was wrong when they drafted James Wiseman.
15:48Sure.
15:49So, I mean, everybody's wrong.
15:50Like a lot of people who do become stars, we didn't see them as stars.
15:54A few years ago, Shea Gilgis-Alexander was just kind of a nice-ish young player, MVP of
16:01the league?
16:01Get out of here.
16:02Tyrese Halliburton.
16:03No chance.
16:04The guy who slid, the Warriors passed on him.
16:06A lot of teams passed on him.
16:07And he was on his way in June to being the NBA Finals MVP.
16:12Yes, he was.
16:13Yes, he was.
16:14And so, yeah, a lot of this happens in that fashion where Minnesota passed on Steph Curry
16:19not once but twice.
16:20Yeah, and even once Steph got here, you could say that, oh, we see this has actually got
16:25some legs.
16:26You didn't see this.
16:27He's one of the most iconic players who's ever walked the earth.
16:30That's laughable to think about.
16:32No major college wanted him.
16:35So, you know, I mean, somewhere in this, this is related to our constant draftism conversations.
16:42I still think there's a lot of this.
16:44There's a lot of it in the Niner locker room right now with the way people assess what's
16:48going on.
16:49Mac Jones comes in, wins three football games, and now here we are again with, well, he's
16:54taller and he has first-round pedigree.
16:56I don't care.
16:58I don't care.
16:59I don't care.
17:00One of them went to the Super Bowl.
17:03So.
17:04One of them won a national championship.
17:05That's correct.
17:06The other one couldn't win the Outback Bowl.
17:08Did he go to the Outback Bowl?
17:10He went to a bunch of those second-tier bowls.
17:13I think he did.
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