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In an exclusive interview at the India Today Conclave Mumbai 2025, a leading thinker from the RSS, J Nandakumar, articulated the organisation's vision, stating, 'Our working is not nation-making, it is nation-reconstructing.'
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00:00Namaskar.
00:03From the ramparts of the Red Fort,
00:06on the 79th Independence Day,
00:09Prime Minister Narendra Modi
00:11referred to the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
00:16as the world's largest NGO
00:18that was engaged in selfless service
00:22and nation building.
00:25With me at the India Today conclave
00:27is J. Nand Kumar Ji.
00:30He is a prolific author, writer, poet
00:33and he is with the Prajnapravah,
00:38the think tank of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh
00:42and I will talk to you about
00:44the 100 year journey of the Sangh and the road ahead
00:48but before that, let's quickly listen in
00:50to Prime Minister Narendra Modi
00:52on the ramparts of the Red Fort
00:54talking about the contributions
00:56of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
00:58I will talk to you about the Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:04I will talk to you about the Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:11I will talk to you about the Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:14I will talk to you about the Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:16The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:18The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:20The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:22The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:26The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:28The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:30The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:35The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:37The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
01:47The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
02:02The Rastriya Swayamsevak Sangh.
02:07Nand Kumar Ji, were you surprised to hear the Prime Minister from the ramparts of the
02:18Red Fort talk about the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh as a Swayamsevak, as a Karikarta?
02:26Namaskar at the outset itself.
02:28I would like to extend my thanks to India today for inviting me for this August forum.
02:35Thanks.
02:37Okay, the question was very much pertinent.
02:41See, I am not surprised.
02:44Because being a Swayamsevak, Narendra Modi ji as a Prime Minister when he was addressing
02:53the whole world, I would like to say, it is the hundredth year of RSS.
02:59So, it is not a surprising thing for me.
03:01Yes, as a Swayamsevak, I was elated to hear such a comment from Narendra Modi ji.
03:10But as a Swayamsevak, I would like to add another thing that Sangha is working or Swayamsevaks are working not for any appreciation or
03:19congratulation from anyone in that sense.
03:22See, there is a Gita in Sangha that is paddha ka antima leksya nahi hai hai, simhasana chadate jana.
03:29So, that is the mentality of the Swayamsevak.
03:39Sir, we are not, in a way, very much expecting something from the highest order or the positions.
03:46But, yes, yes, this is the hundredth year.
03:51So, Narendra Modi ji has mentioned it.
03:53We are all happy.
03:54And, in a way, it was an apt moment for him to say so to the whole world.
04:00Such a comment.
04:01And, when people say, hundred years of nation building, India became independent on August 15, 1947.
04:12So, how is this hundred years of nation building?
04:14How would you respond to those who say this is exaggeration?
04:19See, I have got a big problem with this, the nation building.
04:26See, as far as Sangha is concerned, Ashtriya Swayamsevak Sangha is concerned,
04:31our working is not nation making, it is nation reconstructing.
04:38Why we are saying, I am not going much deep into the semantics of the word,
04:41but I am saying it because, see, this nation concept, it's a Eurocentric term.
04:50State or government comes, politics comes first.
04:53That is the nation-state concept of the West.
04:55But, as far as Bharat and as far as Sangha is concerned,
05:00we are believing in the Rashtra Punar Narman.
05:02Rashtra.
05:04Rashtra is a cultural term, a spiritual term, more a civilizational term.
05:08Rashtra has got a long history, long history.
05:12I mean, time immemorial, our nation was there, our Rashtra was there.
05:17Even in Veda, in Veda, there is mentioning about Rashtra and even Bharat, I would like to say.
05:24See, in Ardhava Veda, there is a sloka, how Rashtra was evolved.
05:31What is the meaning of it?
05:43Our ancestors, the Rishis, they did the penance, they did the tapas.
05:48For what?
05:49For not their benefit or their family members' benefit.
05:52They are doing their tapas for the whole universe.
05:55Saruvida, for whole.
05:58And from that tapas, Ojas and Tejas and Rashtra came.
06:03This Rashtra was formed on the very basis of that tapasya.
06:07That is why, Devatas are prostrating before this Rashtra.
06:12That was it.
06:13So, in Veda itself, it is there.
06:15In the, let me finish it.
06:17In the modern times, Swami Vivekananda put it in the modern language, that is the English language.
06:23That exact translation of what which Rishi of the Veda has told.
06:28He said that, what is this nation?
06:30What is this Rashtra?
06:32Renunciation and service are the national ideals of this nation.
06:36If you want to strengthen this Rashtra, you have to strengthen her in those channels and Rashtra will take care of itself.
06:44So, renunciation or service which has been mentioned by Swami Vivekananda, which has already been mentioned there in the Vedas.
06:51In our Puranas, Vishnu Puranas, it is clearly mentioned that this nation, this Rashtra was there from the time immemorial.
06:59And he, they have given us the boundaries even.
07:04Boundaries even.
07:07Himalese dachshin ke or.
07:10And samudra, from samudra, north, as the satayam boundary and to the north.
07:16It has been clearly mentioned in Vishnu Puranas also.
07:20It says, uttaram yatsamudrasya himadrechaiva dachshinam varishantat bharatam nama bharati yatrasantati.
07:39So, this Bharat was there.
07:41It was not a new construct, new creation.
07:44Someone are saying that Mughals came here, they united.
07:48Someone are saying that British came here.
07:50Even some of our great intellectuals were shown the audacity to say that only after Britain came here, India was born.
07:59And once it was written also in this way that where was this India before Britain came here, it was just a landmass in between Burma and Afghanistan.
08:10That was told by someone.
08:11I don't want to quote that.
08:13But it was clearly the answer has been given by one of my friends that, yes, you are correct.
08:20That is why Britain, when they came here, they started a company also.
08:24British, he is still landmass in between Burma and Afghanistan company.
08:28In that way, it has been answered.
08:30So, Rashtra was there.
08:32It was not formed after Britain came here or it was not formed after 1947, August 14th and 15th midnight.
08:39There was a speech at that time, it has been mentioned that we are a nation in making.
08:44What does it mean?
08:46We are a nation in making means we were not a nation.
08:49We are in the process of making the nation.
08:51It is not a correct statement.
08:52Totally erroneous statement.
08:54Rashtra was there.
08:56Rashtra is here.
08:57Rashtra will be there.
08:58So, when you talk about the rebuilding of the nation, is the focus on decolonizing the mind
09:07and reclaiming history through the eyes, as many say, of the Rashtra Swayam Se Vaksang.
09:15They say, you are rewriting history.
09:18See, it is not rewriting history.
09:21It is putting the true perspective or history is to be presented before the coming generation.
09:28It is a necessary thing.
09:30It is the most important thing, I would like to say.
09:32See, when British people came here, first and foremost thing they did was rewriting the history.
09:40Rewriting the history.
09:42There are so many such people who, they were brought here to write history.
09:46James Mill.
09:47James Mill wrote the history of British India.
09:50In the introduction itself, James Mill, what a dhikara, what a dhastya he has got.
09:58He wrote that, I am writing an objective history of Bharat.
10:03Objective history.
10:04And what is my qualification to write this?
10:08I have never gone to Bharat yet.
10:11I don't know any of these stupid languages.
10:14Stupid, I have added.
10:15He hasn't written it.
10:17Bharat Sanskrit to Tamil, I don't know.
10:20That is my qualification to write Bharat's history.
10:23He wrote it in the western style of looking into the history.
10:26See, westerners are looking into the history on the very basis of their calculation regarding time.
10:33Time is a linear construct for them.
10:36But as far as Bharat's time concept, it is a cyclic thing.
10:40So no one can say that from a particular point of time, the whole history started.
10:45It is not from zero to, it is going ahead.
10:49It is not correct vision.
10:50So it is to be, put it in true perspective.
10:54Right individuals will come up.
11:00Swamiji himself have mentioned about, it is the duty of every true Bharatiya to write our history correctly.
11:10That was his comment.
11:11And that's the effort that's on.
11:14So when you talk about the West trying to dictate, let me come to the current times when, you know, Prime Minister Narendra Modi or Governor of India is negotiating a trade deal with the United States of America.
11:29And many analysts say that America is trying to dictate terms to India.
11:34The Prime Minister also mentioned that there may be consequences for him, but he will not let the interests of our farmers, our fishermen and those in dairy suffer.
11:44Where does the song stand on the way India is negotiating a trade deal with America?
11:50See, it shall not be on the terms which have been dictated by anyone whatsoever.
11:57No matter whether it is America or England or anyone.
12:01Our nation is a strong nation.
12:02We have got an economic power.
12:04No one can ask us to do this way.
12:07You should take our dairy products.
12:10How can he comment?
12:12How can he comment?
12:13So, see, what is happening to their dairy products, everyone knows that.
12:17They are considering the cows just as an industrial thing for economic purpose only.
12:24So, to increase the milk production, there is a well-proven case that they are giving them the animal remaining, so animal meat to the cows.
12:39And that's why the cow fever is being very much rampant there.
12:44So, such milk products are in time.
12:48Just giving an example only.
12:49I say, there is no right for anyone, no matter whether he is Trump or anyone.
12:58So, this Trump's commands are not at all being taken.
13:03We are not at all liable to take those commands.
13:06So, our Pradhanamandri has taken a strong action, strong stand.
13:11And Sangha is very much supporting such a stand.
13:15As far as the trade relations and the economic relations are concerned,
13:18our nation must have the same.
13:21Our Svodheshi must be taken forward.
13:27Our startups, everything.
13:30So, that is happening now.
13:31I am feeling that it is very much good for Bharat.
13:35So, such stand has been clearly mentioned, clearly stated.
13:39Bharat is the, what you say,
13:41we want good trade relations, but nobody is going to dictate terms to India.
13:54On the issue of, especially agriculture,
13:57Bharat ke kisaan,
13:59Bharat ki joe fisheries, joe dairy hai,
14:02usmei there is no way that Americans should be permitted to dictate terms.
14:06You are very clear.
14:07The song is very clear on that.
14:08See, what Pradhanamandri has taken,
14:12the decision which has been taken and which is being implemented now,
14:16it is in a clear direction,
14:18that with a clear, sincere intent it is going on.
14:22We are very much for that.
14:23And also,
14:25our Svodheshi, Jagaran, Manj and all are working in the same line
14:28to strengthen our intrinsic powers.
14:31That is the necessity of the time.
14:33Don't go after.
14:35I have already said,
14:36no matter who are it me.
14:38Who had given America this power to dictate all,
14:42you should do that,
14:43you should do this.
14:45We are also a nation and a civilizational power.
14:48Bharat is a civilizational power.
14:50And once upon a time,
14:52we are all hearing from all authentic sources.
14:55We were ruling the roost in the whole economic field.
14:58For long 2000 years,
15:00the written history,
15:01it says that we have got the,
15:04what you say,
15:05the major portion of the trade and everything was with us.
15:10We were leading the economic world.
15:12So, such a condition is emerging.
15:15It,
15:16there are so many reasons to believe that.
15:19Recent increase in the,
15:20our financial situation,
15:22the GDP,
15:23what we have expected,
15:24it has been surpassed.
15:25It is going ahead in,
15:27it is all because of this policy.
15:30And we are very much in support of that such a policy.
15:33So,
15:33you look at this as,
15:34an opportunity in an adversity.
15:37If,
15:38the sung,
15:40it is said that,
15:41for the BJP to move forward,
15:43it requires the sung push.
15:45When it didn't happen in 2024,
15:48BJP was at 240.
15:50When that push came,
15:51it changed the equation.
15:52So,
15:53is,
15:53is Sangha that,
15:54that powerhouse,
15:56that powers the BJP ahead?
15:58See,
15:59Sangha is not working for,
16:01any political party,
16:03or Sangha,
16:03Swainswakes are not campaigning,
16:05in a way from the RSS side.
16:07RSS always work for the nation's sanctity.
16:10I have already mentioned about that.
16:12Rashtra ko shakti dene ke liye,
16:14Sangha kaam karte hai.
16:16Isilie minne bataya tha,
16:17Rashtra punar narmaan ke marg mein Sangha chal raha hai.
16:19In that way,
16:21okay,
16:22if Sangha,
16:23Sangha is creating an atmosphere,
16:26if you are supporting,
16:28that true nationalist atmosphere,
16:30which has been created by Sangha,
16:32it will benefit you.
16:34That's all.
16:35If any other,
16:36other organization,
16:38or political organization,
16:39is ready to accept this line,
16:42very well,
16:42they can also use.
16:43But Sangha is creating a nationalist atmosphere,
16:46through this mammoth organizational work.
16:49Our basic shakha work,
16:51creating men with equality,
16:53those who are working,
16:55for the nation's upliftment,
16:58that is the work of Sangha,
17:00and what which you have mentioned,
17:02I don't know,
17:02in 2024,
17:03but Sangha,
17:06Sangha,
17:07Sangha,
17:07what they have done earlier,
17:09the same thing were doing,
17:11by Sangha works,
17:12at that time also.
17:13Whether the political party,
17:15was strong enough to,
17:16strong or very much active,
17:18in the field,
17:19that is a different question,
17:22but don't say that,
17:23Sangha hasn't worked,
17:25because of so and so,
17:26made a statement,
17:27or something like that,
17:28that is not a fact,
17:29as far as my information,
17:31yes.
17:32Okay.
17:33In the past,
17:34when you look at the Sangh's,
17:35journey in the past 100 years,
17:38some have argued,
17:39that the Sangh's rise,
17:40was against all odds,
17:42the number of times,
17:43that there were,
17:44bans and restrictions,
17:45on the Sangh.
17:46What has been the Sangh's,
17:48biggest achievement,
17:50in the past 100 years?
17:52The biggest achievement,
17:53is the shakha,
17:54which has been started in 1925,
17:57still it is continuing,
17:58that is the powerhouse,
18:00which is generating the power,
18:02for the national reconstruction.
18:04That is still intact.
18:05As far as Sangha is concerned,
18:08I am saying from Sangha's side,
18:10the shakha activity,
18:11which was started in the format,
18:14it is still continuing,
18:15in the very same format,
18:17and the new shakhas,
18:18which have been increasing,
18:20the recent report has come,
18:22it has reached,
18:22almost one lakh places,
18:24more than one lakh places.
18:26That is the main achievement,
18:27and Sangha is working,
18:29for that shakha work,
18:32and on the basis,
18:33of the shakha,
18:34we are creating,
18:35the men with quality,
18:37and they are doing,
18:38all work,
18:39in the different fields,
18:40of this nation,
18:41this rashtra,
18:42in the cultural field,
18:43in the literary field,
18:44in the industrial field,
18:45in the economic field,
18:46in the political field,
18:47everywhere,
18:48Sangha,
18:48shakhas are working,
18:50see,
18:50generally,
18:51our Karikartas,
18:53used to say,
18:54Sangha will not do anything,
18:56but shakhas will not leave anything,
18:59that is it,
19:00Sangha usually did not do anything,
19:01only one thing,
19:02shakha conduction,
19:03so when you are asking,
19:05what is the sangha's achievement,
19:07I will say,
19:08as a shakhas and a Karikarta,
19:10shakha is still intact,
19:12and striking,
19:13it is going ahead,
19:14that enthusiasm of the sangha is still on fire,
19:18it is going ahead,
19:19and for the next 25 years,
19:22I am not even talking about a 100 year journey,
19:24let's split it in four parts,
19:27what is the biggest challenge,
19:28as far as the sangha is concerned,
19:30for the next 25 years?
19:32See,
19:33from sangha's perspective,
19:35Varas's perspective,
19:36as an organization,
19:38I don't think any challenges are there,
19:40but yes,
19:41our rashtra is,
19:42the nation is facing so many challenges,
19:44in that way,
19:45that's a challenge for a Swamsevak,
19:47or a person who is believing in this niche,
19:50rashtra,
19:51so anyway,
19:52what is the challenge before rashtra,
19:54we have to think about that,
19:56there is no challenge about the Swamsevak,
19:58as sangha as such,
19:59I would like to say,
20:00but rashtra is facing,
20:03because of this hatred nature of some people,
20:07including some political leaders,
20:09political party leaders,
20:10towards Hindutva,
20:11the very soul of this nation,
20:13they are working all out,
20:15against Hindutva,
20:17through that,
20:18against Bharat,
20:19see,
20:20Hindutva is the strength,
20:22which unites this nation,
20:24this rashtra,
20:24there is no other force,
20:26which can bind us together,
20:28Netaji once wrote,
20:29in his Maistagal,
20:30the first part of his autobiography,
20:32in the introduction itself,
20:33he said,
20:34a particular statement was there,
20:36Netaji,
20:37Zubachandra was not an RSS man,
20:39but he said that,
20:40you go to south,
20:41you go to north,
20:42you go to east,
20:42you go to west,
20:44wherever you go,
20:45you will feel,
20:46that Bharat is one,
20:47what is that binding force,
20:49that cementing force,
20:50Hindu,
20:51Hindu,
20:52Hindu,
20:52so that is the binding force,
20:55or cementing force,
20:56of this nation,
20:57so in order to,
20:58weaken Bharat,
21:00some forces are working,
21:02day in and out,
21:03against that binding force,
21:05cementing force,
21:06that is the greatest challenge,
21:08which the nation is facing,
21:10so for that purpose,
21:12they are,
21:13they have started a narrative war,
21:15against this nation's existence,
21:17with the helping hands,
21:19from all such political parties,
21:20and the foreign elements,
21:23like George Soros,
21:24and the cultural masses,
21:26they were all working,
21:27against this nation's,
21:28very existence,
21:29I feel,
21:30it is the right time,
21:32high time,
21:33for any,
21:34nationalist,
21:35or patriots,
21:36to come together,
21:37to safeguard this great force,
21:39which binds us together.
21:41Now,
21:41they say,
21:42and,
21:44it's not Hindus,
21:45they are against,
21:47or it's not the followers,
21:48of the Sanatan Dharma,
21:50but it's the Hindutva,
21:52that they are against,
21:53and that is,
21:53political Hinduism.
21:55Do you,
21:55make that distinction,
21:56that they try to make,
21:57that it's the Hindutva,
21:59that they are targeting,
22:00and not Hindus,
22:01or the followers,
22:02of Sanatan Dharma.
22:03See,
22:03what is that argument,
22:05what is the strength in that?
22:06See,
22:06if we,
22:07see,
22:08as far as Sangha is concerned,
22:09we are not very much concerned,
22:11about these binaries.
22:12We are not seeing,
22:13any difference,
22:14between Hinduism,
22:15and Hindutva.
22:16When you are talking about that,
22:18and you are differentiating it against,
22:21that Hinduism is good,
22:22Hindutva is bad,
22:24Hinduism is Sanatana,
22:25and Hindutva is political,
22:27communalism,
22:28and everything.
22:28Then you must go to the semantics,
22:30we go to the meaning of the words.
22:32See,
22:33Hinduism,
22:34is a,
22:34a prakarse Hindu,
22:36or ism,
22:37ism.
22:37What is the meaning of the ism?
22:39Ism is a closed book of thought.
22:41Can Hindu,
22:43be confined to an ism?
22:45Never.
22:46Hindu,
22:47is the most liberal,
22:49cultural,
22:50belief system,
22:51in the whole world.
22:52One who is saying,
22:54that,
22:55let all thoughts come to us.
23:00Such a belief system.
23:04One is the real truth,
23:05and to reach there,
23:07there can be several ways.
23:09That is our belief system.
23:10But then,
23:11what is the need to say,
23:12for example,
23:13when Yogi Adityanath says,
23:15patenge,
23:15to kateenge.
23:17When,
23:17Prime Minister Narendra Modi says,
23:19ek rahenge,
23:20to safe rahenge.
23:21This is being,
23:23it is being said that,
23:24this is how,
23:25you know,
23:26the attempt is,
23:27to create divisive politics.
23:29Sorry,
23:30Gaurav,
23:30I have to complete that Hindutva part also.
23:32Yes,
23:32please.
23:32See,
23:33okay,
23:35when you are saying,
23:36Manishyatwa is,
23:38or Naratwa is bad,
23:40Naratwa,
23:41what is Naratwa?
23:42The,
23:42the thing,
23:44that the Tattwa,
23:45which make a,
23:46particular person a Manishya,
23:48or a human being,
23:49that is Manishyatwa.
23:51What which make you Hindu,
23:53is Hindutva.
23:54It's totally a Sanskrit word.
23:57In that way,
23:58Hindutva is more appropriate.
24:01That if you want a translation for that Hindutva,
24:04it is Hinduness.
24:06If you want an English word,
24:07it is not Hinduism.
24:09It is a Hindutva.
24:10Okay,
24:11when you have asked about the,
24:13katenge,
24:13to batenge,
24:14to katenge,
24:15bagera,
24:15to,
24:16ekhe,
24:16to,
24:17sefe,
24:17it is quite simple,
24:19the Artha.
24:20What is,
24:21what is our history?
24:23Bharat's history.
24:24What happened to Afghanistan?
24:26From where,
24:27Gandhari came?
24:29That Upaganasthan,
24:30or Gandhara desha,
24:31where is it?
24:32Where is Pakistan?
24:33Where is Bangladesh?
24:34What happened there?
24:35There,
24:36Batgeya.
24:38Because of,
24:39because of the lack of,
24:41unity,
24:42among them,
24:43and that whole area,
24:45was taken away from us.
24:47We are,
24:48still we have got that intense pain,
24:50in our,
24:51Bharats,
24:52majority of,
24:53many of the parts were taken away from us,
24:56only because,
24:57we were not united,
24:58and the persons there,
24:59were being,
25:01forcefully taken out of the very,
25:03identity of this nation.
25:05That is why we lost it.
25:07The,
25:08you see simply,
25:09let me,
25:10give an upama,
25:11for that,
25:12see,
25:13generally people used to say,
25:14that Bharat is a beautiful garden,
25:16well and good,
25:17good.
25:17But,
25:18garden cannot be made on,
25:20atmosphere.
25:21You cannot,
25:22it needs a soil.
25:24Then only it can be,
25:25if you are taking out the soil,
25:27the garden will also be destroyed.
25:29See,
25:30what is that soil?
25:31The Bharat is a beautiful garden,
25:34on this,
25:35the strong,
25:36fertile soil of Hindutva.
25:38If you are taking that away,
25:39the garden will also be disturbed.
25:42Destroyed.
25:43So,
25:43in that way,
25:44we have to,
25:45come to the conclusion,
25:47we will be safe.
25:49and,
25:50we will be safe.
25:54Kerala mein ek hai,
25:55safe hai,
25:56ya phir Kerala mein,
25:57bad raha hai hai,
25:58to problem hoge,
25:59because you've been at the forefront,
26:01of leading this agitation,
26:03at the Ayapa,
26:04temple.
26:05So,
26:07see,
26:08there are some attempts,
26:10to make,
26:11Kerala divided house,
26:13but we are trying,
26:14hardly to make Kerala ek.
26:16See,
26:17Keral ek tha,
26:19ek prakar se,
26:20Keral ke sanskriti,
26:21Keral ke identity,
26:22it was totally Hindu identity.
26:24I am not saying,
26:25when I am repeating,
26:27the Hindu term,
26:28it is not at all a religious term,
26:30which I am mentioning,
26:31it is a cultural term.
26:33Aan sindhu sindhu pariyanta,
26:34yasya bharada bhumika,
26:36pitru bhu punyabhush,
26:37teiwa,
26:37savai hindu riti shmrata,
26:39aysa ek vikti ne,
26:40and demand jails ke,
26:41and dar raha kar,
26:42likhha huwa,
26:43vedh sukt se bhi,
26:44pavitra,
26:45aek sukt,
26:45me ne abhi,
26:46bata ya,
26:46sindhu nadhi,
26:47se sindhu sagar,
26:48tak faila huwa,
26:49is desh ko,
26:50mere poorwa jonge ke bhumi,
26:52aysa maanne wala,
26:53kone hai,
26:54mere hi,
26:55poorwa janm ke,
26:56sukurt ke karan janm mila hai,
26:58aysa pavitra bhumi,
27:00maanne wala kone hai,
27:01unko kahte hai hindu,
27:03M.C. Chagla is a hindu,
27:05because in Rosas in December,
27:07his beautiful,
27:09that great autobiography,
27:10he wrote that,
27:11I never came from any land outside,
27:14I am from this land,
27:16and my purwajas are brahaspati,
27:17vasishta, arjuna, rama,
27:19so those who are believing in that purwajas,
27:22they are all hindus,
27:24so in that way,
27:24that feeling was there in Kerala,
27:26someone are trying to destroy it,
27:28someone tried to set fire,
27:30Shabarimala,
27:30now some political elements,
27:33especially those who are at the helm of the affairs,
27:35in the political field in Kerala,
27:38atheists though they were,
27:39they were trying to organize,
27:42Iyappa Sangama,
27:44it's a strange thing,
27:45that communist party,
27:46people are organizing such meeting,
27:49so it's all for dividing Bharat,
27:51but dividing Kerala,
27:53and Kerala Hindus,
27:55Kerala believers,
27:57with the help of all religions,
27:58they are striking back,
28:01and in that way,
28:03there is no doubt,
28:04Kerala will be one,
28:05we've unfortunately run out of time,
28:08on this part of our discussion,
28:09but this discussion,
28:11and discourse,
28:11will continue in the days,
28:13weeks,
28:14and months ahead,
28:15it's a hundred year journey,
28:17and there's a journey ahead,
28:18for joining me here,
28:19at the India today conclave,
28:21Nandu Kumar ji,
28:22many thanks.
28:22Thank you,
28:23thank you,
28:23thank you,
28:24thank you,
28:24thank you.
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