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In this episode, we explore the pervasive issue of racial bias and its impact on perception. Through personal anecdotes and historical references, we discuss how these biases manifest in everyday interactions and the broader societal implications. Our conversation touches on significant events, from the tragic story of Emmett Till to contemporary incidents, highlighting the ongoing struggle for understanding and change.
Key Topics:
The influence of historical events on present perceptions. Personal narratives of racial bias and their emotional effects. The societal impacts of unaddressed prejudices. Approaches to promote understanding and empathy.
Notable Quotes:
"You have to see it through my eyes, but you do not have to have any perspective about me being a black man." "The strategic tears come out, but you have to see it through my eyes."
Join us in this critical conversation on how we can collectively work towards a more understanding and equitable society. Please share your experiences and insights with us on social media using #WDYH2S
Resources:
White Woman Accusing Black Developer Of Trespassing At His Own House In Ohio / 1.21.25
https://youtu.be/NTBhcV5fdBg?si=M9jGpryUgVmHRTrM
Key Topics:
The influence of historical events on present perceptions. Personal narratives of racial bias and their emotional effects. The societal impacts of unaddressed prejudices. Approaches to promote understanding and empathy.
Notable Quotes:
"You have to see it through my eyes, but you do not have to have any perspective about me being a black man." "The strategic tears come out, but you have to see it through my eyes."
Join us in this critical conversation on how we can collectively work towards a more understanding and equitable society. Please share your experiences and insights with us on social media using #WDYH2S
Resources:
White Woman Accusing Black Developer Of Trespassing At His Own House In Ohio / 1.21.25
https://youtu.be/NTBhcV5fdBg?si=M9jGpryUgVmHRTrM
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00:00we want to know what do you have to say oh what do you have to say oh there's no time to wait
00:12what do you have to say together we lift our voices and let them ring
00:18talking about life we got stories to reveal
00:24all right it is no it's time to get going it's time to get going we was talking before we was
00:32oh man sounds like you a little bit fired up about some stuff i'm fired up about some stuff
00:39um i i really am and i'm trying to just really keep everything i said make my responses measured
00:46because i really want to work towards solutions um then and just not try to uh vent for a minute
00:55so give me that but um just really want to try to work towards but um how are you feeling today
01:02well hold on let me let me ask you first you know you do not ever give me a chance
01:09ever give me a chance i'm sorry how are how are you doing oh man you know thanks for asking i am
01:19feeling refreshed um just feeling really empowered today um just hold on you're refreshed and empowered
01:29and then hot come on come on we can hey we can walk and chew gum at the same yes all of it okay i think
01:36that we are just not um there are different um all of that makes us who we are yes we can um and it
01:44depends on i feel empowered because i i am doing what i'm called to do and i feel really rested because
01:55uh we have had weather weather um days uh out of school so i'm i'm just refreshed and uh been cooking
02:05some really great food and i'm not going to tell you all the soup that i cooked this week but it was
02:10just phenomenal and delicious do you freeze it i do freeze it i do i do and uh i'm i believe i'm gonna
02:19make one more soup tomorrow just so i'll have uh what uh man all is well now how so how are you
02:29doing today let's let's i'm i'm a little bit tired the past couple of days there's been a lot going on
02:37you know yeah yeah yeah yeah interfacing with these folks and these folks ripping and running you know
02:47i have recently moved so there's right right still a lot to do just to get settled but i'm i mean i'm
02:55tired okay i'm not okay complaining about right but right right just a little bit tired but other
03:01than that i'm okay just okay that's good how is geo doing my doggie he's doing good he's getting
03:08really fluffy uh because the last haircut he got was right as we moved okay at the end of october
03:16so he's got an appointment next uh friday to get his his new haircut oh man i'm well it's cold
03:26so i don't want please don't hopefully you got a sweater some for him oh yeah i got it okay thank
03:34you so much that uh look take care of him or you know hey uncle phil come and see about my nephew
03:42and uh that's it yeah wow well he's doing good so we you know we've been talking about yeah what
03:50topics we want to talk about things and it just so happened over this past week we both had been
03:57seeing some things and i'm sure a lot of people have been seeing a couple of things in particular
04:02in social media but the one that we sort of want to talk about and i'm sure it's going to lead to other
04:09stuff is right right that whole thing about the lady who doesn't run up on somebody's porch
04:15and i'm sorry here's the part of it i mean i'm angry about it because we're gonna talk about it
04:21yes yes yes every time that i hear
04:24hold on
04:28so if we go hopefully we'll watch that a little bit okay but okay when she ran off the porch
04:36and the stroller fell
04:38and she was screaming help yes she was screaming help like i mean she just left the church but with us
04:50man she left the other baby running she didn't grab the baby's hand she didn't grab the baby's hand
04:57or nothing she just said come on let's go and i was like how did the baby know to come you know
05:04she didn't grab yeah and then the scroller just that was like that was a theatrical moment
05:10seeing the scroller just go
05:13oh my gosh just oh my gosh i don't i don't know i don't know you know i mean i'm glad that i am able to
05:28to kind of laugh you know and bring some levity to it but that was serious that was a really serious
05:35moment and the gravity of just the gravity of it and um the implications of that just really
05:46um you know i was i was disgusted i was angered i was outraged i was felt like really and just
05:56thankfully that this was caught on camera because it would have been hers her word because she already
06:04kind of just embellished and made up her own version of how things went and i i'm just glad
06:13that everyone is alive well let's look at the video a little bit so we can give some context
06:18of what we're talking about yes and then we'll go back
06:20it's crazy i can laugh now she left the baby i just was like she didn't even grab the baby's hand
06:33she was so she just ran okay so here's the context so where this sort of where this picks up
06:41is um this woman has out been out walking at night with two of her children she felt or thought that
06:52she is being followed i i can respect that um because she thought she was being followed
06:59she thought she would trick them out which makes sense let me go up here let me pretend this is my
07:04house it just happened to be the man's house he pulls into his own driveway his own driveway
07:11and he's asking her uh can i help you right and then she she's like is this your uh no no no
07:19is this your house he goes yeah and she says i don't think it is and then she said it twice right
07:27no no no okay okay said it twice she said it twice so let's yeah yeah let me bring this up here
07:35really quick oh man too much right too much it really is it is uh i'm just reliving it oh
07:43oh and i didn't even notice that it was a little girl yes okay can you see that okay yes
07:49what do you live here yeah you do i don't believe that what i don't believe that
08:13what are you going to do oh my god
08:18just
08:23she's gonna grab the baby or nothing
08:28nothing
08:30she's gone
08:34oh gosh
08:37does someone come here
08:38oh man oh man she's yelling who chased her um hold on let me stop it okay so let's talk about
08:51what we just saw yes yeah up to there we got more to talk about yeah yeah i just um and i
09:00and really i understand that a woman you know at night with her two children
09:08um may feel um you know some kind of way or not not some kind of way but maybe feel threatened or
09:17unsafe um if if you see those kind of things and how it played out i wasn't there but i'm just going
09:24to assume that she was you know legitimately concerned about her safety and her children
09:31i i get that um i really do um and um you know the the man pulling into his and i wanted to use his
09:44name um but i can't think of what his name is instead of calling the man but um uh the real
09:50estate developer that is pulling into his own home into his own driveway and um asking you know
09:58politely not in a threatening he wasn't um manner that you know may i help you are you looking for
10:04someone and um she said no and um and that at that moment you know when she asked do you live here
10:15and she dismissed it as i don't well i don't believe you because for some reason she thought that he
10:22was after her um for whatever reason and it just those and then run off screaming um as you know to
10:34weaponize those uh those screams and you know just i'm just so thankful that any anyone of her
10:42neighbors could have heard that or anyone in that and really been hear it as a call to action
10:49because it triggered or just reminded me of the many stories in our history about those accusations
10:58and those screams um from from people um that i put in the chat his name his name is demichael jenkins
11:08okay jenkins yeah you know when i saw that the first thing that i saw immediately it just takes
11:14you back to all those other instances of of when when unfortunately where some individuals usually
11:25women in the past have had these what they call strategic tears that are used and that can can
11:32sort of change situations we saw that not too long ago i think during covid where the woman was in
11:40central park and oh with the bird lying on the man with the dog lying lying yes yes she had the dog and
11:47he was bird watching and she was lying on right right and all the the stuff that started all the
11:52caring stuff but all of that started way back when oh oh it did it did i i i specifically um you know
12:03we we're we bring up emma till at this these times um you know um because it is just a case in i mean
12:12it's just documented that that was not the case um of what he had done and during that time but she
12:23weaponized her uh strategic tears and the story whatever story that she narrative that she told and
12:31you know it it we all know how that ended and it has been continuously done done um um in our history
12:42and that's what causes that that frustration and that anger and that it is continuing and and i would
12:50say if if the people that are watching this if you don't know about emmett till you should google it
12:56right now right right right right right and you know there was another instance and i that has
13:01brought to top of mind that um about the tulsa massacre and the burning of and the massacre
13:09burning of black wall street in tulsa and the precipitating event was a um a black man somehow
13:17stepped on a white woman's toe or shoot something in an elevator and that we know how that ended um with
13:25the burning of um of all of black wealth in that area at that time you know that was established and
13:32it's that strategic um the strategic tears tears you know the one thing i watched and i don't know if
13:40you got to see this i didn't we i didn't share this with you but uh the michael and his wife
13:46did a um interview with shannon sharp i i have not watched that no no and it it gave you a little bit
13:54more information about him you know this individual's grandfather was a real estate developer and this
14:01particular individual the reason why and i really appreciate it hearing from him specifically because
14:07he's has had a past life where he had been in trouble and things he wasn't doing the right things
14:15and he's changed his life and he said i forget the exact question but there was a period of a point
14:21where she started screaming or oh no it was when she asked him do you live here and he said yes i do
14:28and she says i don't no you don't he shannon asked how do you feel and he goes it was in that point
14:35where i had to hold back my fire because you're on my porch you thought that something was happening
14:44um and i had just been slowing down because my house is decorated for christmas and i was admiring
14:51the work and you whatever's going on in your life whatever's happening with you interpreted all of
14:59that and maybe it's rightfully so something was happening to you and when i tell you it was my house
15:07you said no it's not he said i had to hold back my fire right so i didn't connect to uh the demichael of
15:15the past oh oh oh oh yeah and started acting crazy yeah because he also knows if i acted crazy with
15:24then right right right then it would be substantiated that it just it escalates and yeah you know um i'm i'm
15:34glad that he was calm and he was not triggered to go there even though um you know i would like to
15:43have seen after the couple had come came you know when she went and bought her his uh her husband there
15:50and um well let's pick up on that part let's go go ahead yeah because oh yes that in the demichael
15:59interview he also said i knew i went right inside he said he was actually scared not scared of her but
16:07scared of the situation so he went outside the wife had seen someone on their camera
16:13but she didn't understand who they were in her driveway and then that's right so let's right this
16:21right as i try to pull this up sorry about this it's okay trying to figure it this is really
16:31interesting i'm glad i i was like yeah we need some way to um to just
16:37have a civil conversation about this because it's continuing to happen oh and see this is
16:48she had kids she had something chased you okay go ahead hold on let's let's let's hear what they're
16:55saying
16:55who chased her um she said somebody in a silver truck
17:04and he came around the corner and i was in the street and so i come up
17:11and so i'm like gonna pretend that i'm coming home and so i pull up and i start walking to your
17:17back gate and he stops here and he goes are you looking for someone i said nope and then he sat
17:25here and i was like i need to get in well that's my husband that's why he lives here yeah
17:29he lives here so he came in he said there's this lady screaming and i'm like that's she got all
17:34worried how did he scare you though i just seen her in the driveway and i was like are you looking
17:45for somebody because i was pulling up and i saw someone walking in our driveway too and i'm like
17:49why is someone walking in our driveway well i'm sorry all right sorry i was she said that someone
17:56was following her so you were walking from there you came this way didn't you no i came down this
18:00street right here yeah and i was riding slow because i'm looking at her christmas lights
18:04well you just have to understand my point of being by myself
18:08i just saw a park and i was like oh it scared me and so i just pulled up here
18:13and i kept thinking this could be his house but you didn't say this is my home hold on she's
18:18trying to blame him i said when you was on the porch you asked me did i live here i said yeah
18:23and you said no you don't right and you said i don't think you do thankfully it was on camera
18:28like i'm pulling in my it's like i'm pulling in my house like this is not this neighborhood is
18:36probably one of the best neighborhoods in ohio you don't you don't have to worry about stuff like
18:41that well i'm very sorry i really hope that you're not upset with me come on baby go in the house let's go
18:48i'm gonna stop the video right there there's so much to unpack okay yes yes there's so much
18:54that's that's the one part at the very end she apologized and then she goes well i really hope
19:00that you're not upset with me she the the rest of it because i love come on now i i just have to go
19:08back and just say that um the the when the husband came i'm sure that she told him that she was being
19:20chased because that's what he said he said that someone had chased chased her and that he um will
19:29just in would defend her that's her that's his wife i'm sure he came to what if he was strapped
19:38you know so what if the husband came out the house strapped ready to go you know like to protect
19:45his family without knowing the whole story by taking her word as gold or a word as truth as
19:55actually how it went down and it didn't go like that and it's just really i'm i keep using the word
20:02frustrated because uh she said um you have to see it from my point of view and i i was just like
20:12i would have lost it i was i would have like my you can only see it through my eyes and that's the
20:21only way that you can see it because my eyes are the default whatever that you got just yeah this is
20:27the piece that i absolutely dislike you have to see it from my eyes but you do not have to have any
20:35perspective about me being a black man what happens what has happened in history right black men being
20:44the right things they right right haven't done necessarily right and what happens when that
20:51accusation goes up and the strategic tears come out oh man oh man yes but you have to see it through
20:58my eyes you have to see it through my eyes and i don't have to see it through yours no no no because
21:04mine is the only things uh only perspective that matters and i have blue eyes oh right right right
21:12right right so that's and they're not contacts they're yeah right and that's the way you should see
21:20see it all and i i believe that um it
21:24it
21:28it's that racial bias that comes through that and when you're looking through those eye the lens of
21:35racial bias and it it may not be um uh what does this work intentional but it is it's just
21:45it's systems in place that have further validified and solidified that you got to see it through my
21:53eyes and um um i mean she was teaching i mean it has passed down because she was teaching her little
22:00girl that you know to run and to see it through these eyes you know and i hope that i would just love
22:12to hear the conversations in their home what what how how that's playing out but um oh it's playing out
22:19there's a lot of videos mainly her videos on uh social media where she's trying to do apologies
22:28because all of their social medias like from their business is getting i've seen it i've looked at it
22:33of the videos yeah but the one thing that is is uh probably uh the most interesting is that
22:41in the shannon sharp video uh we were talking to uh uh mrs jenkins and uh the neighbor
22:51the lady and uh i think michelle bishop and or her husband uh john
22:58none of them have come up to apologize it's only been on things that they've done online but they
23:06haven't come up and say hey listen i a lot was going on with me i apologize they haven't come up
23:12and in fact um mrs jenkins uh reported to her hoa hoa has said nothing exactly and i believe that
23:21that's why it has they took it upon themselves to show it uh you know to put it out there because hoa
23:28did nothing about it you because they do what they did not just put it out to put it out there
23:34they put that out there in their neighborhood watch video same things that are happening that's
23:41where they put it out and it went off from there so they weren't trying to post on instagram tiktok
23:47and facebook they put it in their community unity to see what was oh man oh man in the community in
23:53the neighborhood and and you know and because nothing was happening and i guess i wonder what kind of
23:59support they have gotten received from you know the other neighbors and i'm gonna watch that
24:04well i want to put this they didn't do it because nothing was happening they put that out there right
24:10after it happened just to update the community what's going on in the community
24:15right right without any um uh ill will or malicious intent or anything just to put it out there and it
24:25just um but how many people connected with this um with this story because it has happened too many
24:34times and blend men of color have lost their lives over what someone has said and i mean it's it's just
24:44it is and it it's it struck me that her dismissiveness and i'll go back to her um try to explain it
24:52you know that you have to see it from my it's from my point of view it's that she will never get it
24:59and you know i wrote down you know that she will never understand the experiences of a person of color
25:07never well hold on hold on hold on okay okay because that's that's a possibility and if she never does
25:17because because she does not want to because you can maybe never know all the intricacies of
25:25of someone's experience but you sure in hell can try to understand yeah i don't know that she will try
25:30okay so she'll be empathetic uh um moving forward oh okay no i'm sorry no and i just can't buy it
25:41because um and i watched her um instagram you know shedding tears i mean it was strategic tears
25:51and trying to conflate that she had some prior experiences with something when she was a little
25:57girl and so i was like um no we we know and it's just a hard no um moving forward with and you know
26:08what she needs to teach her little daughter is you know what maybe you know when you have children
26:14or as you get a little bit older um maybe you shouldn't be out in your neighborhood walking
26:18uh with with your young children with your young children but i don't understand
26:24if why did she run to that house and but she said that she ran to another house when she ran
26:33when she ran around she ran to somebody else's house yeah you know why didn't she go there first if
26:44she knew she had some allies in the neighborhood why didn't she run to someone you know and then it's just
26:50speaks to that i know my neighbors you know i know you know i know i know one two three four
26:59five six seven seven houses eight houses you know i've lived here for 10 years so i'm and they know
27:09i mean when i had jack and sunshine they would be all down the street because we know and it was like
27:15jack jack get home you know they would be sending my dog back my and sunshine get to your house you
27:22know but um knowing your neighbors i mean well here's on that one what they said in that in that
27:30interview with shannon sharp was um they said we know our neighbors we he said no one knows them
27:40they don't socialize oh but we know we know all the people but nobody knows them
27:47right oh do you hear what i'm saying yes yes that makes sense that makes that makes sense but
27:55it's um because i'm just wondering why do you know like there's a house across the street they
28:01have the lights on the house right here just directly across the street you know why did she choose
28:09well hold on if she is if she is having some sort of trigger or she she probably is not thinking
28:17well i'm not going to try to condemn her for those decisions that that she has because she's in fight
28:23or flight but but i understand what you're saying i don't i know but it's what i condemn her for
28:31she outran i was like mommy i'm sure she was like mommy what's going on i mean she was out around that
28:54and that just makes me laugh it makes me laugh because not because i know that she was not in
29:04danger but i just listened to the i was listening to the intonation of the screams of the blood curdling
29:15blood curdling screams that you know this is life you know like he was right on he was right there um
29:28chasing her i mean just yeah and that was chasing her with the big machete but right i i just had
29:37vision of uh of the man from halloween you know you know it or jason or whoever that was chasing her and
29:45it wasn't and and just the the the she left your child oh she i know i just i'm i'm praying that
29:57i'm thankful that it was on camera i'm thankful because there's but but you know what man
30:04in this age we have seen a lot of things on camera and they have been dismissed but this one
30:12not just miss yeah there's a couple other things that i'm thinking of that i want to share maybe we
30:18can what uh that maybe we can look at later but one is now these aren't strategic tiers here but
30:25uh lady in the bakery uh who uh says she sells vegan donuts and her stupid ass was going to
30:34buy their donuts buy their donuts and she was she right so people come to her bakery to put things
30:43into like their coffee shops and stuff and so this person was having a gig or something and they needed
30:48vegan donuts and so they got them vegan donuts to their place and they were looking at them and
30:54they were like what are these sprinkles and the and the man and his wife were looking like
31:00huh those look like dunkin donut sprinkles and so they put they put them to the side
31:09so they put them on a different tray and they were like we're not going to give anybody these
31:17so they researched those are dunkin donut sprinkles these are not these aren't vegan how can you tell
31:26what dunkin donut sprinkles aren't sprinkles sprinkles no because dunkin donut sprinkles are
31:31are pink and orange and they're in the shape of d
31:33she okay okay okay see i'm done man i'm done so she she tried to lie and say that no those are
31:45these sprinkles and she gave them my amazon to the sprinkles that she used and they went to that amazon
31:51link and the amazon link was like abc sprinkles and they're like we're not fools these are not the
31:58same sprinkles so anyway maybe i can show you this one but but here's the deal this isn't about
32:05strategic tears but that individual they weren't thinking nor did they care they could have seriously
32:11harmed someone who had allergies to the things like people have celiac disease and stuff like that
32:17yes yes yes they did not not care did not did not care no no okay so where's the humanity in that
32:25um where's the humanity yeah yeah yeah no and then the other one that i want to get action
32:32vegan i'm done okay yes now now this one is a little bit more closely associated to strategic tears
32:41but you know the uh the individual who uh uh she was very young but uh she witnessed um um an older
32:52black male uh ran into someone caused a car accident and then he took off and then she chased
32:59him down she called 911 to report it 911 said do not chase him down uh-huh uh-huh but but she chased
33:07him down because she goes he's not leaving well when she chased him down she uh fight sort of ensued
33:15and she shot him and he died uh yes yes yes yes they're trying to say that he was intoxicated but
33:24top screen came back and he was not intoxicated highly likely that he was under he was under medical
33:29distress and was trying to get to a hospital oh oh but she chased him vigilante and vigilante and killed
33:40him killed him killed him and and so he just got shot uh uh she just got sentenced so i she got
33:47sentenced wow okay so maybe we can look at that a little bit and it's harsh the sentencing yeah
33:55harsh yeah after they told yeah um vigilante isn't well uh taking it upon themselves to be because they only
34:03see it from their point of view point of view point of view and that you should see it from yeah
34:10she would have never known that that man had she maybe asked is he okay but she did not she made an
34:17assumption right right right right wow that's tragic that's tragic just like i mean um if we ever
34:26you know maybe we can uh move into um neely and um the the um the killing of jordan neely on the subway um
34:42just where vigilante which i call you know some people are calling him a hero i i can't i i can't use
34:49that term uh for him um and most of the time you know we don't know the other side of the story we
34:56do not know the other side and i yeah i don't know we don't know but um uh wow that's well that
35:07was great man i'm glad thank you i needed that uh it's kind of cathartic uh for me today because the
35:15seriousness of that is racial profiling and the um you know the strategic tears and all of that is
35:22it's still happening and it is the strategic tears but the weight of a person yeah for them to say
35:30something and it be taken as truth first first not to not to look at the things holistically to see
35:38what was going on or even try to figure it out and then just like in the old frankenstein movie
35:44where the villagers come out with the light here we go with the right right right with the torches
35:51with the torches and i can just see that happening you know and i briefly talked about tulsa i can see
35:58them coming out you know in mass um you know with just on someone's word on damn it if it's true or you
36:09know we don't have time uh but since we see it from our perspective and ours is default and so
36:18this is the way it is man yeah well i know we're getting ready to close but that made me think of
36:23i just saw something recently there are six university students who are being charged with felonies because
36:33it i guess it is popular now on tick tock to um to try to uh catch a predator and so basically
36:45they lied they lied i heard something about that i didn't i'm not privy to it but i i think i heard
36:51something about that they told the they told the individual that they were 18 when in fact i think
36:57they were 17 they were 17 and so and i forget what their age was it wasn't like they were crazy old
37:03but they came they invited them over they brought them up and then so they can get their uh little
37:12tick tock kind of stuff recorded they lied and said that he was a predator and told the people on
37:21the floor and they all started to chase him some people hit him because of they want to get content
37:29and it was a lie
37:33he's still alive yes yeah he was okay but one of the people okay he was trying to escape to get in
37:40his car but someone like got was slim in the car door on him and all that stuff because they thought that
37:45he was a predator and they're being charged now yeah oh of course they are as they should wow we have
37:55so so um so much to say so much it's so much to say and uh wow wow i'm glad we get to say it with
38:05you uh well we got another show in the can yeah thank you man all right we'll see you next all right
38:12yes sir you have to say oh there's no time that's like go time right now whatever
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