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00:00This is his world, you know, by making this videotape, sending pictures, writing a multi-page document that he's basically in complete control. He doesn't have to deal with any of us. He's not talking to anybody. It's him just getting it out to us. And so there is nobody to stop him or control him or make him feel bad.
00:29And in his world, it seems, everyone was to blame for Cho's problems but himself.
00:35You have vandalized my heart, raised my soul, and torched my conscience. You thought it was one pathetic, Lord, life you were extinguishing.
00:46Thanks to you, I die, like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and the defenseless people.
00:52Cho Sunghui was seen near the entrance to West Ambler Johnston Hall, a co-ed residence hall that houses 895 students at about 6.47 a.m. on April 16, 2007.
01:06Normally, the hall is accessible only to its residents via magnetic key cards before 10 a.m.
01:13Cho's student mailbox was in the lobby of the building, so he had a pass card allowing access after 7.30, but it is unclear how he gained earlier entrance to the building.
01:26Around 7.15 a.m., Cho entered the room that freshman Emily J. Hilsher shared with another student and shot Hilsher, a 19-year-old from Woodville, Virginia.
01:39After hearing the gunshots, a resident assistant, 22-year-old senior Ryan C. Clark of Martinez, Georgia, attempted to aid Hilsher.
01:51Cho shot and killed Clark.
01:54Hilsher remained alive for three hours after being shot, but no one from the school, law enforcement, or hospital notified her family until after she had died.
02:05The West Ambler Johnston Hall attack seemed to work to Cho's advantage, almost as a distraction for his upcoming attack on Norris Hall.
02:15Do you know what it feels like to be spit on your face and have trash shoved down your throat?
02:20Do you know what it feels like to dig your own grave?
02:23Do you know what it feels like to have your throat smashed from year to year?
02:26Do you know what it feels like to be torched alive?
02:29Do you know what it feels like to be humiliated and be impaled upon on a cross and left to bleed to death for your amusement?
02:36Do you have never felt a single ounce of pain your whole life?
02:39Did you want to inject as much misery in our life as you can just because you can?
02:45You had everything you wanted.
02:47Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats.
02:49Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs.
02:52Your trust fund wasn't enough.
02:54Your vodka and cognac weren't enough.
02:57All your debaucheries weren't enough.
02:59Those weren't enough to fulfill your heathenistic needs.
03:02You had everything.
03:04Cho left the scene and returned to his room in Harper Hall, a dormitory west of West Ambler Johnston Hall.
03:11While police and emergency medical services units were responding to the shootings in the dorm next door, Cho changed out of his bloodstained clothes, logged onto his computer to delete his emails and his student university account, and then removed the hard drive.
03:29At 8.10am, Cho is believed to have been seen near the campus duck pond.
03:36Although authorities suspected Cho had thrown his hard drive and mobile phone into the water, a search by divers was unsuccessful.
03:48Almost two hours after the first killings, Cho appeared at a nearby post office and mailed a package of writings and video recordings to NBC News.
03:59What may be the most important Supreme Court abortion decision in decades.
04:05From NBC News World Headquarters in New York, this is NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams.
04:18Good evening.
04:19We now know what the Virginia Tech gunman was doing during that two-hour period between shootings on campus.
04:27He was compiling, before going to the post office and mailing via overnight mail, what can only be described as a multimedia manifesto containing video, still pictures, and a lengthy document to NBC headquarters, this very building here in New York.
04:46The envelope was sent from Blacksburg, Virginia on Monday morning.
04:50And looking at a copy, you can even see the handwriting of the clerk checking it in at 9.01am.
04:57But because the gunman had the wrong zip code, and there are three different scratched out attempts at it along with Rockefeller Avenue and not Rockefeller Plaza in New York,
05:08the zip code had to be corrected, and it didn't arrive here until today.
05:13These materials proved to be of little investigative value to authorities.
05:18We are sensitive to how all of this will be seen by those affected, and we know we are in effect airing the words of a murderer here tonight.
05:27We asked our justice correspondent, Pete Williams, to be with us here in New York from Washington, where he's been following this story.
05:34Pete, begin at the beginning.
05:36Well, Brian, after seeing all this material, it's clear why the profilers have compared Cho Sung-wi to the students who shot their classmates at Columbine High School.
05:45In forceful language, he expresses the same kind of me-against-the-world attitude.
05:51In his 1800-word diatribe, he expresses rage, resentment, and a desire to get even, with exactly whom he never says.
05:59You had a hundred billion chances in the way to have avoided today, but you decided to spill my blood.
06:05You forced me into a corner and gave me only one option. The decision was yours. Now you have blood on your hands that will never wash off.
06:14Much of it is incoherent, laced with profanity. He rails against hedonism and Christianity.
06:19You just loved crucifying me. You loved inducing cancer in my head, terrorizing my heart, and ripping my soul all this time.
06:26Though he tried to cover his tracks by filing down the serial numbers on his guns, he obviously wanted the world to know who was responsible for the worst mass shooting in America.
06:35He began working on these materials at least six days beforehand.
06:39That morning, 16 students were taking Intermediate French in Room 211 with Professor Jocelyn Couture Nowak.
06:49One student arrived late, stating that the police had locked down her dorm, West Ambler Johnston, because of a double homicide that had occurred earlier that morning.
06:59Cho entered Norris Hall.
07:02In a backpack, he carried heavy-duty chains and locks, a hammer, a knife, two purchased handguns, with 19, 10, and 15 round magazines, and nearly 400 rounds of ammunition.
07:21With the locks and chains, he chained the three main entrance doors shut and placed a note on one, saying that attempting to open the door would cause a bomb to explode.
07:31From your TV to your radio, your iPod to your cell phone, whether you're at home or on the move.
07:41NBC News, America's news leader.
07:44Congress needs to pass an emergency war spending bill.
07:48And that's why 70 days ago, I sent Congress an emergency war spending bill that would provide the vital funds our troops urgently need.
08:01But instead of approving this funding, the Democrats in Congress have spent the past 70 days pushing legislation that would undercut our troops.
08:11They passed bills in the House and the Senate that would impose restrictions on our military commanders.
08:19They set an arbitrary date for withdrawal from Iraq.
08:24And they spent billions of dollars on domestic projects that have nothing to do with the war.
08:29A time of war is a time of sacrifice for our nation, but especially for our military families.
08:36Shortly before the shooting began, a faculty member found the note and took it to the third floor to notify the school's administration.
08:46Cho geared up in the empty room 200 before the shooting began.
08:52According to several students, he looked into several classrooms, likely to see how many people were in each room.
09:00Aaron Sheehan, an eyewitness and survivor who had been in room 207, told reporters that the shooter peeked in twice earlier in the lesson.
09:10And that, quote, it was strange that someone at this point in the semester would be lost looking for a class, unquote.
09:18It was around 9.39 AM when a series of loud banging noises erupted in Norris Hall.
09:24Initially thinking the sound had to do with nearby construction, nobody in room 211 panicked.
09:30But as the banging continued, Madame Couture realized something was wrong.
09:36According to survivors, Couture's face dropped as the realization became clear.
09:42Bang, bang, bang, bang. You could tell this was something, you know, in this hallway. This was not something outside.
09:48And the moment we heard those second bangs, I mean, the teacher's expression just dropped.
09:53You could tell she was very concerned with what that was.
09:57We still didn't. I still didn't even know what that was.
10:00You know, it was kind of a shock disbelief. You know, is that really a gun?
10:04So she went immediately to the doorway to look to see what was making all the noise.
10:08And as soon as she opened the door, she slammed it back straight and she turned around to all of us and told all of us to get underneath our desks.
10:14Cho's attack on Norris Hall began in an advanced hydrology engineering class taught by G.V. Ligonathan in room 206.
10:24Thirteen registered students were inside. Cho shot and killed the professor, then continued firing, killing nine of the 13 students in the room and injuring two others.
10:37Walked to the door real fast. Didn't say anything. All he did was bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
10:45Shot a girl here, shot a girl there, shot the instructor. Shot the guy who was first seat, you know, front row, first seat right by the door.
11:00Shot him side of the face. And while I was ducking and trying to get down and hiding underneath the double wide rows of desks, or column rather, desks,
11:14he's walking around, bang, bang, bang, bang, just shooting, unloading. And somewhere along the way, along the way, excuse me, he ran out of rounds, emptied his magazine, slipped in another one,
11:27in a matter of one and a half, two seconds, went back to work. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
11:32Same gun.
11:3322.
11:34Please tell me that's not what I think it is, Couture said aloud to her class.
11:40She walked over to the door, opened it, and peeked out into the hallway. Then she slammed it and told her students to get underneath their desks. Some did. Others froze.
11:52With all the color drained from her face, the professor asked for someone to call 911. Colin Goddard, a 21-year-old international studies major, pulled out his cell phone and dialed the number.
12:06After exiting the classroom, Cho fired down the hall at two students who were fleeing from room 204 next door. The fleeing students managed to escape down the stairwell across the hall. He also fired at another student substitute professor from room 205 who were peering out from the door, but they survived.
12:29It was 941 AM when Goddard's call came in.
12:34Room 211, Norris Hall, he says to the dispatcher. She asked where that was.
12:39Virginia Tech. His tone is urgent, but somewhat calm. Room 211, Norris Hall.
12:45Goddard then tells her, someone appears to be shooting a gun somewhere inside the building, and it sounds close.
12:52One of the worst things a human being could smell is death. You're in a room not real large. It's enough to hold about 30 people. You have all that carnage laying on the ground, blood and so on and so forth.
13:15I mean, it, I mean, all those bodies will emit a real horrible stench. And the window was open and everything, and my stomach was turning. It was just that bad.
13:30Cho went into room 207, where instructor Jamie Bishop was teaching introductory German. He shot Bishop and some students near the door, then walked down the aisle, shooting more victims. Bishop and four students were killed. Six other students were shot and wounded.
13:49And so you stayed under your desk?
13:52Yes, until the gunman left our classroom.
13:55Can you tell us anything about the gunman? What he looked like, what he said, what he was doing when he came into the room?
14:02He was male, Asian descent, and he was about six feet tall, wearing a black leather coat and then a maroon hat. And he didn't say anything, which I found very unusual. He just started shooting people.
14:16Nothing can describe this. I mean, something that you would never imagine in life. Something like out of a dream.
14:23Cho then moved on to Norris 211 and 204, where he was initially prevented from entering due to barricades erected by instructors and students.
14:35Hearing the commotion from below, Kevin Granada guided 20 students from a classroom on the third floor into his office, where the door could be locked, and went downstairs to investigate along with another professor, Wally Grant, where they were both shot by Cho in the hallway.
14:54Grant, who quickly fled into a bathroom, was wounded and survived. But Granada died of his injuries. None of the students locked in Granada's office were hurt or killed.
15:06There are consequences for Congress's delay in getting our troops the money that the Defense Department has requested.
15:15Congress's failure to fund our troops will mean that the readiness of our forces will suffer.
15:22This is unacceptable to me, it's unacceptable to you, and it's unacceptable to the vast majority of the American people.
15:31The door! Put desks in front of the door! A male student cries in room 211.
15:37Couture and his student, Henry Lee, attempted to barricade the door with various lightweight desks, since there was no way for it to lock.
15:46Goddard remains in his seat, relaying to the dispatcher that they're trying to block the entrance while staring at Madame Couture.
15:54The 49-year-old professor tries to back away from the door in what little time she has to react.
16:01Not even a minute into the call, a few loud bangs erupt from Goddard's end of the line.
16:07Cho shoots through the wooden door.
16:10Goddard then hides underneath his desk and positions his body to where he's facing the other side of the classroom.
16:17He turns his head back briefly and sees a figure wearing combat boots.
16:23He manages to mumble something that's inaudible, then stops talking altogether as Cho enters the room and kills Couture.
16:31The dispatcher asks Goddard if he's okay. Silence.
16:43The gunfire continues. Cho has killed Henry Lee. Goddard closes his eyes.
16:49Another commotion ensues as Matthew Laporte gets up and runs towards Cho in an attempt to tackle him.
16:57Seven rapid bangs are heard. Cho has executed Laporte.
17:03Goddard hides the phone as best he can.
17:07The dispatcher relays to the responding units that the shooter appears to be in the room and the caller isn't speaking.
17:15I jumped under the desk next to me. I tried to turn it over and cover myself.
17:19I really only had seconds and it was in total shock.
17:25You know, I was just conjugating French verbs and now someone's shooting me.
17:29Cho fires towards students, sitting near the windows.
17:33Several female screams are heard.
17:35In another series of gunshots, a bullet enters Goddard's leg, which shatters his femur.
17:43I've been hit! He whispers frantically to the dispatcher.
17:47I heard, I felt, one of those gunshots above my knee.
17:51I felt like someone had kicked me with all their might.
17:53And that kick sensation kind of faded into this sharp, stinging, burning sensation.
17:59It kind of faded into this warm, warmness, warm wetness, and then kind of faded into numbness.
18:05And I remained pretty much numb from head to toe the entire nine and a half minutes.
18:11And probably the longest nine and a half minutes of my life.
18:15He can be heard swearing profusely as the pain sets in.
18:19Another shot. There's a scratching noise as Goddard's cell phone flies out of his hand and makes its way across the carpeted floor.
18:27It lands near 19-year-old Emily Haas.
18:31The operator asks units for their estimated time of arrival.
18:36A few seconds later, the gunfire stops.
18:39A new voice is heard.
18:41Haas has picked up the phone, telling 911 that the shooter has left the room.
18:45The gunfire continues in the background, but it sounds muffled, indicating that Cho went into another classroom.
18:53Haas keeps her voice low, fearing that the shooter might come back.
19:00Very faintly, student Clay Violand can be heard, telling those who were still conscious that they had to be quiet.
19:08We've been hurt.
19:10Haas whispers into the phone.
19:12Then she repeats Goddard's previous words.
19:15Room 211 Norris Hall.
19:18Retracing his path, Cho returned to room 206.
19:24According to a student eyewitness, the movements of a student, Walid Shallan, who was already wounded, distracted the aggressor from a nearby student.
19:34After he returned to the room, Shallan was shot a second time and died.
19:40Also in the same room, another wounded student, Guillermo Coman, was shielded from more serious injury by having the body of student Bertahi Lombantaran placed on top of him.
19:53Two other students, who were also in the room, made it out alive.
19:59After his first entry to room 207, several students had barricaded the door and had begun tending to the wounded when Cho returned minutes later.
20:09Caitlin Carney and spokesperson Derek O'Dell were injured while holding the door closed, but the remaining students survived.
20:19In room 205, students had already barricaded the door with a large table after graduate assistant Haiyan Cheng, who was substituting for the professor, and a student saw Cho heading toward them.
20:32Cho shot through the door about seven times, but failed to force his way in.
20:38No one in the classroom was wounded or killed.
20:41Across the hall, in room 204, Lavi Librescu, a Holocaust survivor from Romania, forcibly prevented the gunman from entering the room by holding the door closed with his body until most of his students escaped through the windows.
20:58After kicking open the window screens, the students successfully escaped.
21:04Some suffered leg injuries while landing on the ground two floors below.
21:10Through the door, Librescu was shot four times, including through his wristwatch.
21:31Two others who were lying in a corner near the windows were injured but survived and described that,
21:37After most of their classmates escaped through the windows, and after the armed aggressor shot four times through the door, he finally forced his way in.
21:48Upon seeing the open windows and hardly any students in the room, Cho confronted Professor Librescu and student Minal Penshaw, who was lying on the ground next to the door and fatally shot both in the temple.
22:02He then turned to two other students who were taking cover and critically injured them, before leaving and reentering room 206 the third time.
22:13What's your name?
22:14What's your name?
22:15The dispatcher asks Haas.
22:16I can't talk.
22:17She whispers.
22:18The dispatcher tells her,
22:20Stay under the desk.
22:22They'll be there in a minute.
22:23Haas panics.
22:24He's in here!
22:26At this point, it's been a little over five minutes since the 911 call was placed.
22:32The gunfire resumes.
22:34Godard is hit again.
22:36Cho steps over him and points his weapon towards another student.
22:41Those who were previously injured are now being executed.
22:45The shots continue.
22:47Haas screams into the phone.
22:49I've been hit!
22:51A bullet has grazed her head.
22:54Fragments are now stuck in her hair.
22:56Her breathing gets faster.
22:59He's reloading!
23:00Haas whimpers to the dispatcher.
23:03She's trying to stay calm and to ease her breathing.
23:07The dispatcher yells at her own team.
23:10Still shooting at Norris!
23:12Cho eventually leaves the room for a second time.
23:16Haas still refuses to talk.
23:19Eight minutes into the call.
23:21Police arrive at Norris Hall.
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24:17They try using a shotgun to blast away the chains that held the main entrance shut.
24:31Haas is told that help has arrived.
24:34She says nothing.
24:39The police were not able to shoot their way through the chain-locked entrances,
24:43but managed entry via a separate entrance.
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25:17As police started to descend the stairwell, Cho had already begun to hear the footsteps.
25:43He looked out into the hallway briefly, before walking back into the center of room 211.
25:50The call picks up a few more shots, then there's a deafening silence, and finally, one singular
25:56bang.
26:17The dispatcher has unknowingly just heard Cho Seung Hee commit suicide.
26:23A minute goes by.
26:24A minute goes by.
26:39A minute goes by.
26:58A minute goes by.
27:13A minute goes by.
27:21Labored breathing is heard, though it's unknown if this is coming from Haas or someone close
27:29to her.
27:30The dispatcher then informs her that the police are on the second floor.
27:35Haas needs to open the door for them.
27:38The 19-year-old is heard, struggling to stand.
27:41A small thunk reveals that she's set Godard's cell phone on top of a nearby desk.
27:48Haas quietly cries as she sees the bodies of Couture and Lee sprawled near the door with
27:55gunshot wounds to their heads.
27:57There's another noise.
27:58Violin, the only 211 student who wasn't shot at all, steps past Haas and moves the bodies
28:05and desks just enough to where the police can finally enter the room.
28:10It's now been almost 10 minutes since the 911 call was placed.
28:15A male voice shouts, Shoot her down!
28:18The line disconnects once the dispatcher confirms that police have secured the scene.
28:25During the two attacks, Cho killed five faculty members and 27 students, two students in West
28:33Ambler, Johnston, and 30 people at Norris Hall before he committed suicide.
28:40The room 211 911 call, which picked up every murder that occurred in the classroom, was deemed
28:47too graphic for public viewing.
28:50It was covered during a news broadcast in June 2007, but none of the actual audio was played.
28:57Godard has since refused to listen to the 911 call, and Haas won't even talk about it.
29:05One of the responding officers described the call as one of the most gruesome things she
29:10has ever heard.
29:12As of 2025, it is unknown if the recording itself still exists.
29:24His desk.
29:42And not normally would we be getting out of the President's speech, but we do think it's
29:46important to get back to the story we've been telling you about because we have some additional
29:49information about the shooting that took place at Virginia Tech.
29:53We are learning now from the campus website.
29:56There is apparently a second shooting now that has taken place at Norris Hall.
30:00We're trying to find that location for you on the map that we have of the campus.
30:05I haven't quite found the building yet, but a picture there of where, of course, Virginia
30:09Tech is located.
30:10So again, according to the campus website, there has apparently been a second shooting now,
30:15a place called Norris Hall, and according to the Associated Press, they are now reporting
30:21seven to eight additional casualties.
30:23We first told you a moment ago about one person being killed and one person being injured,
30:28according to the Associated Press.
30:30And we had additionally got information shortly after that from our affiliate on the ground
30:35that apparently someone is in custody.
30:38We have not heard any more about that.
30:39So we're just trying to bring it to you as it develops here.
30:41And square some of that reporting as well, that the timing of this second incident, so
30:45clearly what we have, you'd have to say it is a major violent crime event that is unfolding
30:51right now on the campus of Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg, Virginia.
30:56As you mentioned, Heidi, the earlier reports that we brought you here in the newsroom were
31:00of one person dead and one other person wounded.
31:04But now the latest reports, and I see you're jotting down some information, let me know when
31:07you're ready with that.
31:08Apparently CNN has now confirmed that there is one person in custody, and of course when
31:12a situation like this happens, you don't know if there may be more people connected with
31:16all of this.
31:17So this person who is now in custody, CNN has confirmed, is being described as the
31:23shooter.
31:24Again, we are not aware if there may be more people connected with this.
31:27So as sort of standard operating procedure of police and authorities, there are still continuing
31:31to search.
31:32So why are classes canceled?
31:33There are going to be.
31:34Because I don't want everybody to like us.
31:36Well, so how do you like America on your second day?
31:39It's just like in the movies.
31:44Hi, I'm Ellen.
31:45How are you doing?
31:46Good guy with the camera.
31:47Oh my God.
31:48Welcome to Hollis Clip on YouTube.
31:49Yeah, let's go.
31:50This guy is running around with guns.
31:51Running, crazily, because they don't know who to do this.
31:52I hate this shit.
31:53I mean, you heard about the shit on my stage day this morning, right?
31:54No.
31:55That was it.
31:56Well, shot in the gym.
31:57We don't know.
31:58We don't know, but.
31:59It was maybe like a student who made me an RA that got shot this morning.
32:16This is him, I'm going to see him.
32:18Go ahead.
32:20Do y'all know on what floor?
32:24I know.
32:26What's going on over here?
32:28Allison's okay, since he's an RAV.
32:30So you get this a lot?
32:32You get this a lot?
32:34No, this is like the first year where all this bad shit went down.
32:38Yeah.
32:40They seemed to think that it was a lone gunman who,
32:44while we had been earlier told was in custody, is now reported dead.
32:48And I have some new information about the injuries.
32:50We know that at least 20 people were killed.
32:52We are now being told by Carillion's spokesperson that four patients are at the New River Valley Medical Center.
32:59Three of those are in stable condition and one is in critical condition, all with gunshot wounds.
33:05And then three additional patients have been brought to Roanoke Memorial Hospital.
33:12News 7's Rachel DePompa, though, we are told has some additional information.
33:15Rachel.
33:16Well, Jean, we are now hearing 22 dead, including the gunman.
33:20That word just came out.
33:21That is including the one person over at Ambler Johnson, at least 20.
33:25It's still the ballpark figure over at Norris Hall, which is an engineering building, classrooms in that area.
33:34But we are hearing 22 dead, including the gunman at this time.
33:37Hey, Johnny, where are you right now?
33:39Where is your class?
33:42There was a shooting in West Asia.
33:46There's a bunch of policemen, like, right outside.
33:58Right.
33:59He got some shit.
34:03That guy looks nervous down there.
34:05At about 7.15 this morning, a 9-11 call came to the University Police Department concerning an event in West Ambler Johnson Hall.
34:26There were multiple shooting victims.
34:28While in the process of investigating, about two hours later, the University received reports of a shooting in Norris Hall.
34:37The police immediately responded.
34:40The shooter in Norris Hall is deceased.
34:43There are multiple fatalities.
34:46The number of fatalities has not been confirmed.
34:49Victims have been transported to various hospitals in the immediate area in the region to receive emergency treatment.
34:56And we will proceed to contact the next of kin as the victim's identities are available.
35:02We have a ballpark figure on fatalities.
35:05That's at least 20 fatalities.
35:08We heard that someone just walked into a classroom and looked at the fire.
35:13Some of the victims were shot in a classroom.
35:15So the gunman walked into a classroom and looked at the fire and looked at the fire?
35:20Some of the victims were shot in a classroom.
35:22Do you believe there was one gunman and that gunman was key?
35:25At this time, we believe there was only one gunman, yes.
35:28But I am struck by the stark description that you were left with there from the chief, Flincham, of, and answering the question of,
35:39is it true that a shooter walked into a classroom?
35:42The chief said, yes.
35:44So you are left with this stark image of the shooter walking into a classroom.
35:49Columbine.
35:50And opening fire.
35:51Exactly what we saw.
35:52Yes.
35:53Is there any profile of a shooter like this?
35:56Someone who walks into a public space and seemingly shoots randomly.
36:01We don't know if he knew anyone specifically, but at least 22 people are dead.
36:05And we know that at least he intended to inflict a lot of damage on a lot of people.
36:10Well, you're right, Allison, and I get on a little bit of a slippery slope because I'm not a profiler,
36:15but I certainly work with a lot of them along some of them that's on your network that you use frequently in our careers.
36:22And I think that they would say that you're probably going to be looking at a person who certainly has some deep-seated,
36:29to say the least, and deep-seated psychological issues, but may have been a very quiet type of individual
36:36and storing up with all types of animosities and issues that they have with them that cause them to all of a sudden one day explode.
36:43And if this person was acting alone, you know, many of these shootings we see that may be two or three people acting together,
36:49sort of a planned attack, if you will, with others.
36:52But if this person is acting alone, I think the profilers will say this is a person that's been very close to himself,
36:57probably hasn't talked to anybody else about this type of thing.
37:01And if people would come out of the woodwork after it's all over, they would probably say,
37:05oh my goodness, I'm so surprised, he was so quiet, or she was so quiet and shy,
37:09and they kept to themselves in mind their own business.
37:12I think that when you look at their products, their living areas and so forth,
37:16that the profilers will be able to put together a pretty good person who was reserved and non-assuming
37:21that no one would have thought would have done this.
37:23And today with computers oftentimes you find a lot of people who are somewhat reclusive,
37:27and in our technical world today sort of live on their computers,
37:31not so much the cell phones, unless there's a computer in it, a trio or something of that nature,
37:35but they live on their computers.
37:37They get their information from that, they get their equipment from that,
37:41they can order online and so forth, so they'll be able to really paint a clear portrait as to who this person was.
37:47When I think I've seen it all, then I see something like this.
37:51When you look at the numbers of this, and I'm looking at the numbers of at least 22 dead and 28 injured,
37:58you know, this is so startling because this is like a combat operation in full combat that you would see this many people.
38:06So when I think of this, it just absolutely sets me back as that one person could deliberately go through and shoot with this many people.
38:15And you know, you're talking close to 50 people here or more that's been hit by one of these bullets.
38:20It's absolutely amazing that one could procure that much ammunition and have that type of by-powerful to be able to do it all by themselves.
38:28So I think the authorities are going to be looking into that pretty heavily as that,
38:33how could he go around with this much by-power to be able to do this type of damage?
38:39I'm actually in the United States Capitol, and I just spoke with two members of Congress from Virginia,
38:45and they just got off of a conference call with Virginia officials to give them the latest on the information
38:52on what exactly what happened at the Virginia Tech campus.
38:56They believe 31 are dead plus the gunmen.
38:5931 are dead plus the gunmen.
39:01Can you describe the security in the buildings and the academic buildings and the dorm buildings?
39:05How does one get in those buildings?
39:07I didn't hear the first part.
39:08Can you describe security in those buildings? Do you need like a swipe card to get in the dorm buildings?
39:13How does that work basically for both buildings, the academic and dorm?
39:16The academic buildings are open access.
39:18Is what?
39:19Open access.
39:20Open access all the time?
39:21Yes.
39:22Well, they're locked at a certain hour at night, but during the day it's open access.
39:25So the dorms are locked during the day. You can only get a key card in there?
39:28I'm not sure if that's during the day or not.
39:31That's an important thing to know.
39:34I'm sorry.
39:35How many green counties do you?
39:38Let me answer his question first.
39:40The swipe cards in the dormitories start in the evenings and then they go off in the mornings.
39:46What time?
39:477.
39:48Around 7.
39:49They go off around 10 a.m.?
39:53Today's deadly shooting rampage at Virginia Tech is the worst in this country's history.
40:04The massacre is only the most recent incident of deadly violence at our schools and college campuses.
40:10Before this morning, the worst campus shooting in the United States occurred more than 40 years ago.
40:15In 1966, Charles Whitman, a student at the University of Texas, killed 15 people while wounding 31 others.
40:22The deadliest high school shooting was in 1999 at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.
40:28Two teenagers killed 12 fellow students and a teacher before they committed suicide.
40:34This week marks the 8th anniversary of Columbine.
40:37In March 2005, a 16-year-old student in Red Lake, Minnesota shot and killed eight people, including four fellow students and his grandfather.
40:46The gunman later killed himself.
40:48And in October of last year, another shocking school shooting.
40:51Five girls were killed, six others wounded by a gunman who stormed the Georgetown Amish School in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania.
40:59We'll have continuing coverage, unfortunately, of violence in our high schools and college campuses here later in the broadcast.
41:07And this, of course, not the first incident of violence in the Virginia Tech area.
41:12In August of last year, the first day of classes was cut short at Virginia Tech.
41:17The campus was shut down by a manhunt for an escaped prisoner.
41:21The inmate killed a deputy sheriff on a nearby hiking trail, and he killed a security guard at a hospital.
41:27Virginia Tech received a series of bomb threats over the past two weeks as well.
41:32The school closed down three halls and canceled classes Friday after those bomb threats.
41:37It's not known whether today's shooting rampage is related to those bomb threats.
41:54Whoa!
41:55That gripping video conveys the sense of chaos, the panic that gripped the Virginia Tech campus this morning.
42:08Joining us now is Jamal El-Bargudi.
42:10He's the student who recorded that video earlier today.
42:14Jamal, I know this must be extremely painful and difficult for you, but tell our viewers where you were, what time this occurred, when you started your camera rolling.
42:24Jamal El-Bargudi.
42:25Jamal El- That was around 10 to 10, around 9.50 a.m. here, eastern time in Blacksburg.
42:34And I was just going to campus to talk to my advisor, but then I started hearing people telling me to leave.
42:42So I was on campus around 10 o'clock.
42:46What kind of camera were you using?
42:49It was my cell phone camera. I have a Nokia N70, N70, and I was just using the cell phone
42:58camera.
42:59So did you start hearing some shots and you saw people running? Is that when you decided
43:04to start rolling video?
43:07Well, I took that decision when I saw a policeman taking off his gun and started looking for
43:18a target to shoot. I knew that this isn't another bomb threat because we had two last week.
43:24So I knew this is something way more serious. It was then when I decided to use my camera.
43:30We heard, we counted 27 shots in the video that you made available to CNN through our
43:36iReport operation. 27 shots. Do you know if those shots were coming from the gunman, coming
43:43from the police? Do you have any idea what those popping sounds, where they were coming
43:49from?
43:52I have no idea. Thanks for counting them, Wolf. I didn't know they were 27 shots.
43:57So tell us, give us a little bit of flavor of what your fellow students have been saying
44:02to you over these past few hours.
44:04Well, everybody here in Blacksburg is really sad. Blacksburg is one of the best and nicest
44:11towns I've ever been to. It's a really safe place. You can't imagine how safe it is.
44:16And with two bomb threats and two people died in August at the very first day of this semester.
44:26And now more than 30 students, I guess, or 30 people got killed in this incident. Everybody
44:32is so sad. Everybody is shocked. We don't know what's going on in here. We're just hoping
44:38that everything would settle down and we, and Blacksburg would once again be the small, nice
44:44town it used to be, or it actually is.
44:47Jamal, where are you from originally?
44:49Well, I'm originally from the West Bank, Palestine. I lived most of my life in Saudi Arabia, though.
44:57Jamal El-Bargudi, thank you so much for doing what you did. Please be careful over there.
45:03Good luck to you. Good luck to all your fellow students at Virginia Tech. Is there anything
45:08else you want to say to our viewers?
45:11I just want to say how sorry I am for all of the families of those who got killed or injured
45:18in this incident. That's probably the only thing I can say.
45:23Well said.
45:26We are really sorry for them.
45:29Jamal El-Bargudi.
45:30Thank you very much, Wolf.
45:31Thank you, Jamal.
45:34Hi, I'm Bill O'Reilly. Thank you for watching us tonight on a very tragic day in America.
45:39Mass murder in Virginia. Now, my usual talking points will be delivered a bit later on.
45:44They deal with how the far left is trying to exploit the IMA situation with the Queen of
45:48Me and Rosie O'Donnell leading the way.
45:56All right.
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