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Disaster Transbian episode 99

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00:00Jonestown showed the world the devastating power a single hypnotic leader can have over his people.
00:06My father was a fraud.
00:09I could see that because I got to go backstage.
00:13I got to be behind the scenes.
00:30I got to be behind the scenes.
01:00I got to be behind the scenes.
01:30I got to be behind the scenes.
01:59committed suicide i said you will have the child and it'll be a boy and the boy will be deserted
02:06and that's exactly what the woman did i'm not going to forget that i mean i understand the
02:14universe but i know one damn thing our mind goes beyond the universe don't stop no damn casket
02:21when you commit suicide you're in the worst kind of hell you ever were in
02:25you're going to stab yourself this silly ass thing no
02:34now you're outrageous now you're you but you better be humble you can't respect a soft and
02:38gentle man a hard-working gentleman you pick a punk
02:45aim age at you work and it's the best thing that ever happened to you it makes you strong jones was
02:50facing increasing scrutiny in the summer of 1978 when he hired jfk assassination conspiracy theorists
02:59mark lane and donald freed to make the case of a quote grand conspiracy unquote against the temple
03:06by u.s intelligence agencies jones told lane that he wanted to quote pull an eldritch cleaver unquote
03:15quote referring to a fugitive member of the black panthers who was able to return to the u.s after
03:21rebuilding his reputation the white people organize themselves outside of the democratic party outside
03:29of the republican party and to move to destroy and eliminate these parties and to establish new
03:37political machinery that is not wedded to the interests of uh exploiting cooperations and exploiting
03:46businessmen who are profiting from the status quo to understand what's going on in this country and
03:53understand that black people are moving for the liberation that they want their freedom and that
03:59they intend uh to get their freedom and that the reason the whole situation is taking a turn towards
04:06violence because uh the government uh is not being responsive to uh the legitimate demands of black
04:16people jones attempted to negotiate for his commune to resettle in the soviet union in october 1978 feodor
04:25timofaev soviet consul to guyana visited jonestown for two days and gave a speech jim jones stated
04:34beforehand quote for many years after we've let our sympathies be quite publicly known that the united
04:41states government was not our mother but that the soviet union was our spiritual motherland
04:48timofaev declared jonestown in quote harmony of theory with marx angles lenin and the practical
04:55implementation of some fundamental features of this theory unquote and personally thanked jones
05:05that you made comments to others that you knew the next thing you knew that i was going to take all
05:10these tape recorders away from people i believe i wrote you a note that i know i didn't know no i
05:18hear no note i got a second hand which i didn't like that unless somebody took your note and didn't pass it
05:23on i wrote you a note that i had right before paula had left i said i knew it our last diversion pardon
05:31no i didn't think i don't think in any way i'm a prophet i shouldn't have said that and i wrote
05:37the notes saying that it was out of line and as far as that goes i can i didn't read that i can do
05:42without music i could be in prison right now now jones's paranoia increased in jonestown as he became
05:48fearful of a government raid on the commune concerned the community would not be able to resist an attack
05:56he began holding drills to test their readiness he called the drills white knights jones would call
06:04alert alert alert alert over the community loudspeaker to call the community together in the central
06:10pavilion armed guards with guns and crossbows surrounded the pavilion the community members
06:18would remain at the pavilion throughout the drill in which jones told them that their community had been
06:24surrounded by agents who were about to destroy them jones led them in prayers chanting and singing
06:32to ward off the impending attack sometimes he would have his guards hide in the forest and shoot their
06:39firearms to simulate an attack jones's terrified followers were only told they were participating in a
06:47drill when the event was over one drill in september 1977 lasted for six days known as the six day siege
06:58the ordeal was used thereafter by jones as a symbol of the community's indomitable spirit
07:05the drills served to keep the members of jonestown fearful of venturing outside of the commune
07:12following two visits by united states embassy personnel to check on the situation at jonestown
07:19and an irs investigation in early 1978 jones became increasingly convinced that the attack he feared
07:27was imminent in one 1978 white knight drill jones told his followers he was going to distribute poison for
07:36everyone to drink in an act of suicide a batch of fruit punch was served to everyone in the pavilion
07:44who sat by weeping and waiting for their death after some time passed jones informed his followers that
07:51it was only a drill and there was not any poison in their drink through the white knights jones convinced
07:59his followers that the cia was actively working to destroy their community and condition them to accept
08:05suicide as a means of escape on at least two occasions during white knights after a revolutionary
08:14suicide vote was reached a simulated mass suicide was rehearsed temple defector deborah layton described
08:23the event in an affidavit quote everyone including the children was told to line up as we passed through
08:31the line we were given a small glass of red liquid to drink we were told that the liquid contained poison
08:38and that we would die within 45 minutes we all did as we were told when the time came when we should
08:46have dropped dead reverend jones explained that the poison was not real and that we had just been
08:51through a loyalty test he warned us that the time was not far off when it would become necessary for us to
09:00die by our own hands so let him account where all those guns are that's his damn problem right
09:10i wanted i want the authorities to ask him where all the guns are what tim still do with all of our
09:13goddamn guns he's got jesus let him explain that and explain how he was a marxist last month that's good
09:20all right my darlings tell three great things three great things it's happened miracles of scientific
09:26socialism of the mind
09:38yes
09:40one phrase that's good don't ever use a phrase crazy nigger not for a while don't ever admit
09:45you even though if anybody asks you what's that i don't know that word
09:48i'm black if any spy wanted to come in that could and we made a little fodder with that played a little
09:55bit with that and we don't believe in suicide and that's a damn truth they have to kill us they want
09:59us out of the way don't they good night much love if i had seen you know all the people that i love
10:06who i had built a community with dying all around me i i wouldn't have wanted to live i just think you
10:13know i would have lost too much i couldn't have i wouldn't have wanted to survive
10:27and if our people had the balls hugh fortsen made a mistake went out and took their petition i'd
10:42throw the petition in a goddamn face hit the camera shoved their asses off every man woman and child in
10:47san francisco if they'd done what they ought to what i'd have done i'd have tore that place place
10:51up and they'd have had no news conference on our church steps
11:01and i'll bet you our ass had been left alone for a while
11:06they have no business getting on our church steps that's our property they can't stand up on our
11:11fucking church steps and make a goddamn news conference and then stand there and take a
11:16fucking looks weak i don't know what's the matter with you that he'd take i know what's matthew
11:20i can tell you what the fuck's matthew he's got a girlfriend here and his wife in town always
11:25every time god damn it every time you get in sex these crazy sons of bitches lose their mind and all
11:30their intelligence if they're males of god and it goes to the goddamn balls the situation at jonestown
11:35was deteriorating in 1978 the community was exhausted and overworked loudspeakers were installed around
11:43jonestown and sermons were played on a constant loop for the entire community to listen to jones
11:50began to propagate his belief in what he termed translation once his followers settled in jonestown
11:57claiming that he and his followers would all die and live blissfully together in the afterlife
12:04jones's orders were increasingly erratic he was seen staggering and urinating in public but this
12:11was due to prostatitis for a short time towards the end of jonestown he found it difficult to walk
12:18without assistance around this time but it cleared up by ryan's visit after learning that he might have
12:25a lung infection in 1978 jones told his followers that he actually had lung cancer in an effort to gain
12:33their compassion and increase their level of support jones was said to be abusing valium quaaludes stimulants and barbiturates
12:44audio recordings of meetings held in jonestown in 1978 attest to the commune leaders deteriorating health
12:52that means that's my shit i like them beans beans beans the musical fruit
13:03the more you eat the more you toot the more you toot the better you feel
13:08i hear this shit this this just tears the out of me
13:16tears the out of me you people just tear the out of me god damn
13:21shit you want some of you want some cover ass you want something to go back to
13:25you ain't going back to nothing because they wouldn't let you if you could accidentally or coincidentally
13:29let probably uh onto the perseverance in communism to where i would never let sex direct me but i
13:38would direct sex to the achievement of my goals which were pure goals could have been equally bad
13:45goals if i'd gone the wrong way so we want to think about this shit when we um if we got a steady
13:53relationship i don't know his case i'm just i know i know it it's much more subjective because i went
13:57through it it's a hell of a business to be constant and not one girl and the girl that you had you
14:04whether much as love i've ever seen a kid could have and then have her in front of all your classmates
14:14it didn't make no difference that seven years later she wanted wanted me back come come up to me
14:20the pain and the damage that that would if it hadn't been i don't know what the hell kept me from
14:25suicide i don't know responsibility i guess i guess it was a little yeah some place in there was an
14:36animal that needed me so i took my animal because sure as hell didn't think anything else needed me
14:46i took an animal someplace i took a duck god damn i remember trying to the time i got my duck a home
14:54and had to move out of the town and hitchhiked 17 miles
15:03now it's good you people make a habit of if you've been hurt don't try to hurt somebody else i don't
15:10know anything about this case christ's sake there's enough pain
15:13but johnny said it very well don't take responsibility i mean take it off on somebody else it's
15:24you got your part in it too
15:31i'm not worried about the hurt that i've had i just worry about how many more people
15:34what i'm thinking about now is not being hurt mine's all gone with i died long time ago
15:39the hurt is that others are going to have that kind of pain until we have communism until we learn
15:45to feel for people it's too late for anybody to feel too much of anything but tiredness
15:51but um yes rest for jared time
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