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Disaster Transbian episode 146
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00:00Schools should be places of safety and sanctuary and learning.
00:05When that sanctuary is violated, the impact is felt in every American classroom and every American community.
00:15Today, our nation grieves with those who have lost loved ones at Virginia Tech.
00:21We hold the victims in our hearts.
00:24We lift them up in our prayers.
00:26And we ask a loving God to comfort those who are suffering today.
00:34He was, I would say, about a little bit under six feet tall, young-looking Asian,
00:42dressed sort of strangely, almost like a Boy Scout with very short-sleeved, light tan shirts and some sort of ammo vest.
00:53It was black over it.
00:54He came in eventually later, and he just stepped within five feet of the door and just started firing.
01:01He seemed very thorough about it.
01:03He left for about 30 seconds, came back in, did almost exactly the same thing.
01:07Because I guess he heard us still talking.
01:11And then we forced ourselves against the door so we couldn't come in again because the door would not lock.
01:17He came and tried to force himself in another three times and then started shooting through the door.
01:22It was a solid wooden door with no windows, though.
01:25Virginia Tech first informed students of the situation via email at 926 a.m.
01:32This was about two hours after the first shooting, which was thought at the time to be isolated and domestic in nature.
01:40And today, President Bush pledged the federal government will do whatever it can to help this community.
01:46While the campus was in lockdown this morning, students who were trapped in their dorm rooms turned to the Internet for information.
01:53How important was the web and email and text messaging during this crisis?
02:00It was very important. I actually had people crowded around my laptop just to watch the news and the updates as they unfolded.
02:07It was a sure sign of the times.
02:10Students using the web, cell phones, and other devices as a lifeline to the outside world.
02:16We had no television in our classroom, and so the web just became our television.
02:22I can't talk on behalf of other students.
02:24Personally, I think the Virginia Tech police did a good job.
02:30Unfortunately, many people have died.
02:32It's really easy to come after the accident and say we should have done something.
02:38I believe that the Virginia Tech police did or took the decision they thought was the best for them, or best at that time.
02:48Many people are angry, but more than being angry, they are really sad for the high casualty that Virginia Tech took today.
02:57We are all sad, and our condolences go to the families of those missing or dead.
03:03And the saddest thing that the police chief just confirmed for us is that they are still in the process of notifying family members about those who have died.
03:12Jamal Abergudi, thank you.
03:14I just wanted to tell you that here I was talking to some of my friends who until now do not know the faith of their cousins, and it's really a terrible thing in there.
03:30Seeing people almost about to cry, that's really shocking.
03:35They are really tough people.
03:37I know that, but this situation is really, really tough.
03:40You can't imagine how much people are sad.
03:44They just want to know what happened to their friends and relatives.
03:48After the full extent of the shooting became evident, the university canceled classes for the rest of the week and held an assembly in candlelight vigil the following evening on April 17th.
04:01The event included a speech by the somehow kind of even worse than Trump, President George W. Bush.
04:09I think what makes this different is that a parent or a loved one thought their child was, you know, learning to enrich their lives, and the next thing is they're dead.
04:20Now watch this drive.
04:21This was an extraordinarily bloody day in Baghdad, deadliest day in fact since that stepped-up American presence in that city.
04:30A wave of bombings in Shiite neighborhoods killed more than 175 people today alone, 140 of them in the worst single attack at a market that was being rebuilt after being bombed just two months ago.
04:42Iraqi police suspect Sunni insurgents linked to al-Qaeda are to blame, but some witnesses there today told our own Richard Engel they blame American forces.
04:53I don't know if he's going to be a bad person.
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05:07I'm getting him, sir!
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05:51Norris Hall was closed for the remainder of the semester.
06:10You had everything you wanted.
06:13Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats.
06:15Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs.
06:18Your twist fun wasn't enough.
06:20Your vodka and cognac weren't enough.
06:22All your debauches weren't enough.
06:25Those weren't enough to sell your hedonistic needs.
06:28You had everything.
06:30You hear the strong anti-rich people theme.
06:33This is the manifesto, by the way, and it goes on.
06:36There's a close-up of a knife.
06:37There are pictures of hollow-point bullets, an almost artistic photo of them.
06:42It goes on like this for pages.
06:44I have a yellow posted on here because he mentions martyrs like Eric and Dylan, the names of the Columbine gunmen.
06:52University officials allowed students, if they chose, to abbreviate their semester coursework and still receive a grade.
07:01Governor Kaine later created an eight-member panel, including former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge,
07:09to review all aspects of the tragedy, from Cho's medical history to Virginia Tech's delay in warning students after the initial shooting.
07:19In August 2007, the panel concluded, among more than 20 major findings,
07:25that the Virginia Tech Police Department, quote,
07:28did not take sufficient action to deal with what might happen if the initial lead proved erroneous, unquote.
07:37While the panel did find errors in judgment and procedure,
07:41the ultimate conclusion was that Cho himself was responsible for his own actions,
07:47and to imply that anyone else was accountable, quote, would be wrong, unquote.
07:52The review panel validated public criticisms that Virginia Tech Police
07:58erred in prematurely concluding that their initial lead in the double homicide was a good one
08:05and in delaying a campus-wide notification for almost two hours.
08:11The report concluded that the toll could have been reduced
08:14if the university had made an immediate decision to cancel classes
08:19and a stronger, clearer, initial alert of the presence of a gunman.
08:24New shit has come to light!
08:26It came to light that Cho Sung-hee used eBay to purchase two 10-round magazines
08:32for one of the guns used in the shooting.
08:36On July 30th, 2007, the online auctioneer prohibited the sale of firearms magazines,
08:44firearms parts, and ammunition on its site.
08:47The southwest wing of Norris Hall, where the massacre took place,
08:53was closed in 2008 and completely renovated in 2008 and 2009.
09:00The building now houses the Center for Peace Studies and Violence Prevention,
09:06the Biomechanics Cluster Research Center,
09:08and the Global Technology Center, as well as other programs.
09:13Ambler-Johnston Hall was also closed and renovated.
09:17The building today for the З�2 history of the Center for Peace Studies and Development,
09:19the State of the Center for Peace Studies and Democracy at all the time.
09:21Ambler-Johnston Hall had the and noted that the Center for Peace Studies and in Frankfort syl lenses
09:22with an educational disability.
09:23This is also a Pro-career and the River County Center for Peace Studies.
09:24If you can watch this on the website,
09:24if you have any help, you can see I can go through them and take a ride.
09:25Or, if you can check it out if you can check it out.
09:26If you can find the crackers in your life,
09:29you can find theSTA also offers the most interesting tough ones.
09:30The Blue County Center for Peace Studies and Launch the Orient in the Center,
09:30the Mini-Chair Conference área and the Button,
09:32and the kaikki-case hätten boats or what they were not.
09:32I can see you.
10:03The name of the sender on the package, according to NBC News, was A. Ishmael, or Ishmael, according to the New York Times. According to NBC News, the words Ishmael Axe were scrawled on one of Cho's arms.
10:22It was reported a few days after the package was received that the internet is abuzz with speculation about the meaning of the phrase Ishmael Axe on Cho's arm.
11:01Another hypothesis for the name Ishmael Axe is that it could be a reference to Drum Hadley's poem, The Goat Ranchers, which talks about Ishmael's axe.
11:16Other hypotheses are that Ishmael, Ishmael Axe, and Axe Ishmael were references to Ishmael, the narrator of Herman Melville's Moby Dick, or to a set of books by Daniel Quinn that features a gorilla named Ishmael that examines humankind.
11:34It has also been suggested Ishmael Axe refers to Ishmael Bush, the hero of James Fenimore Cooper's novel, The Prairie.
11:44It is also suggested Ishmael, Ishmael Axe, and Axe Ishmael could refer to Ishmael Ack, a professor of psychiatry at a Turkish university whose studies include psychiatry of antisocial and suicidal behavior.
11:59Among other suggestions were anagrams that referred to the ancient punishment of pouring salt on fields that made them incapable of growing crops, a Bob Marley song, Small Axe, and a technology called Axis Mail that lets users have email messages sent to their cell phones.
12:17It was also theorized that Ishmael Axe was a reference to the meaning of Ishmael, which is exile or outcast, according to Webster's dictionary.
12:29In his PDF, mailed to NBC, Cho states,
12:33Children of Ishmael, crusaders of anti-terrorism, my Jesus Christ brothers and sisters, you're in my heart. I saw we take up the cross. Children of Ishmael, take up our guns and knives and any sharp object and spare no lives until our last breath and last ounce of energy. I am Axis Mail. I am the anti-terrorist of America.
12:57A teenager who intentionally set fire to a classroom. No deaths. In South Korea, in 2015, said he, quote, wanted to leave behind a record like Cho Sung-hee, unquote.
13:10It was reported in 2015 that some South Korean internet users glorified the Virginia Tech killings and affectionately called Cho General Cho.
13:21In 2017, after the United Express Flight 3411 incident was reported, numerous people on the South Korean internet commemorated Cho, saying, for example, quote,
13:32It is from the DC Inside Forum in 2014 that came the idea of calling Cho a general of the Battle of Virginia, the name given by the forum to the Virginia Tech killings.
13:48The forum hailed Cho as a hero against racism towards Koreans.
13:55The nickname General stemmed from the idea that Cho killed numerous people, despite only being one person, thus making him an apparent genius tactician.
14:04Or a fucking coward who just trapped a bunch of people in a building and shot them.
14:10Like, oh, how brilliant.
14:12This macabre presentation is, of course, hugely distressing for the families.
14:17More pain for a community already in agony.
14:20When NBC News broadcast footage of Cho Sung-hui, students across this campus were tuned in and taking in every detail.
14:29It gives us a better idea of what he's doing in those two hours and his modus and everything, but the fact that he put that much thought in it is just really disturbing.
14:39I definitely think at some point it should have been aired.
14:43I'm not sure if right now is probably the best time.
14:46What the way are we going for?
15:09I just got to go for it.
15:13I don't know.
15:43The videos are in the nature, and I think in the way he intended, they're very disturbing.
16:07And obviously he wanted everybody to see these as soon as possible after these shootings occurred.
16:14And I just think it only adds up to everybody's sadness and sort of nervousness even, just about the entire situation.
16:22Do you think it adds up? Are people angrier about it now than they were before they saw the video?
16:26I don't think anybody can be more angrier than, or sad, or depressed than when they see a friend of theirs has died.
16:31I just think this only compounds onto it, but I don't think it particularly adds or takes away from it.
16:35It just prolongs the process of getting over it just a little bit longer.
16:38Like Moses, I spit to see and lead my people, the weaks to the senseless, and the innocent children of all ages.
16:45You have angelized my heart, raped my soul, and torched my conscience.
16:50This was a videotape that showed somebody on the edge, somebody who was ready to blow.
16:54Chul Sung-hee was mentally ill and delusional, a psychotic, mental health experts have said.
17:02As early as 2005, two female students at Virginia Tech complained about the anxious son of Korean immigrants.
17:12And a state court declared him to be at risk for suicide, referring him for psychiatric treatment.
17:18Like the Columbine Killers, Cho took his own life in the rampage.
17:25But mental health experts have said he may have suffered from bipolar depression or schizophrenia.
17:32Unlike Cho, his hero, Eric Harris, was a psychopath.
17:37Controlling, manipulative, and sadistic, according to journalists, psychologists, and law enforcement experts who studied the case.
17:46Psychopaths are in touch with reality, and rational, and nearly always well-liked and charming, according to experts.
17:56Dylan Klebold was the lonely depressive, full of mood swings, and suppressed emotional rage, according to psychiatrists involved in the case.
18:07But together, the Columbine pair was a deadly dyad, according to Dave Cullen, a journalist who has covered the tragedy in his book, Columbine.
18:19The Klebolds told reporter David Brooks that they objected to the way their son had been described as depressive and blamed the toxic atmosphere of teasing at the high school.
18:30But Cullen said that, unlike Cho, who is not well-liked and kept to himself, Harrison Klebold had an active social life and were bullies, rather than bullied.
18:43We always get the wrong answer because we phrase the question wrong, Cullen said.
18:48Everyone says, why did they do it? Why did they do it?
18:52That gets you in trouble.
18:53There isn't one thing to explain Columbine, he said.
18:58Why Eric did it, and why Dylan did it.
19:03They are polar opposites.
19:05You can't fuse it into one.
19:07It's the same thing as school shooters, he said.
19:10We still go the same route, and look for a profile, and think we've got one.
19:15Outcasts, loners, bullies.
19:18In two-thirds of cases, they don't apply.
19:21There are three, or four, or five profiles.
19:24According to former FBI psychiatrist Frank Ochberg, who worked in hostage negotiations in the 1970s, Cullen's book, Hit the Nail on the Head.
19:35The general public has its own idea about evil and how it gets created, distilled, empowered.
19:43Ochberg told ABCnews.com,
19:46We have so many archetypes.
19:48Harris was a budding psychopath, a person without a conscience, he said.
19:54He got his satisfaction by dominating.
19:57Psychopaths don't feel guilty because they are blind to guilt, Ochberg said.
20:04Harris also had sadistic tendencies, which propelled him to seek vengeance.
20:09Clebold, on the other hand, was depressed with pent-up anger and mood regulation problems, but together they had violent creativity, Ochberg said.
20:23Eric needed Dylan's emotionality and impulsiveness, and Dylan needed Eric's cold psychopathy, according to Ochberg.
20:32While Klebold longed to end his life, as seen in his journals, for Harris, suicide was not a concern, according to Ochberg.
20:42His life wasn't as important as his appetite, he said.
20:47He turned a comic book fantasy into reality.
20:51The purpose was not to kill himself, but it was an option.
20:56He needed power.
20:57According to FBI trainer Kenneth V. Lanning,
21:04Psychopathy and psychosis can overlap, but the public, wrongly, uses the terms interchangeably.
21:12Psychotics are mentally ill, delusional, and out of touch with reality.
21:18Psychopaths can be wheeler dealers and manipulators, he said.
21:23Most psychotics are not violent, but their nature is unpredictable, he said.
21:30Neither is necessarily a killer, said Lanning, but society tends to focus on those common violent crimes.
21:38Whether psychopaths, sometimes called sociopaths, lack a moral compass, is up for debate, according to Lanning.
21:45They have a conscience, he said.
21:47It's just that it's their own, not society's.
21:51A sex offender may kidnap and rape and mutilate women, but if you put him in a prison, next to a guy who fondles children, he thinks he's a sick pervert.
22:01And he says that the media's recent airing of the killer's video is a social catastrophe.
22:08Those are pretty strong words.
22:10Well, I think they're fitting words.
22:11Picture this.
22:13NBC gets a letter addressed to Tom Brokaw.
22:16Yeah.
22:16It's got anthrax in it.
22:18Well, that's news.
22:19Do they open it?
22:20No.
22:21Why?
22:22Because it is toxic.
22:24Mm-hmm.
22:24And this is psychologically toxic.
22:27It's toxic to the victims.
22:29It's toxic to the families.
22:30And when someone who's stable watches it, they may say, okay, well, this person is evil, and now I can understand what evil looks like.
22:37But first of all, that's not how he looked most of his life.
22:41So if you think you're going to recognize someone by watching that video, no, he had to steal away at night, and he had to sculpt something like a Quentin Tarantino or a Jerry Bruckheimer epic,
22:51so that we could see him exactly the way he could look his toughest.
22:55It's phony.
22:56You don't see how disorganized and irrational, because he's written a script.
23:02You don't see what doesn't connect.
23:04You don't see that he's not tormented.
23:06You don't see that this happens in an idyllic environment.
23:08This is not a crime of bullying.
23:10This is a crime of a person seeking immortality using bullying as a pretext.
23:15But why is it a social catastrophe?
23:17It is a social catastrophe because if we let off a radioactive cloud, people might be affected, and they wouldn't know it,
23:24but the radiation seeps into the ground, and the cows eat it, and they drink the milk, and they get thyroid cancer.
23:30People, they have access to it.
23:32They can see it.
23:33They're affected.
23:34And it's not an overnight thing, Oprah.
23:36It's more like, you know, I see this.
23:38I see that he's angry.
23:39I see that people can be that way.
23:41And then the next time you see it, you say, well, you know what?
23:44I've felt that way before.
23:45And then the next time you say, you know what?
23:47Nobody likes me.
23:49I'm pathetic.
23:50I'm useless.
23:51This guy was useless and pathetic.
23:53I'm mad as hell.
23:55And then you see it again, and the more one sees it, the more it becomes a training example.
24:02He also lost his 15-year-old son named Daniel at Columbine.
24:07And what do you want to say?
24:08I think the primary issue for me is the timing.
24:11But two days after this tragedy in Virginia, two days before the anniversary of Columbine, I think it was a terrible time to present this video.
24:21I think they have an obligation to talk to the community and say, is this really a good time to do this?
24:25When we have people who have not buried their loved ones to have this come on TV.
24:30So you think NBC News should have gone to the community?
24:34Yes.
24:34They are part of the community.
24:36And they have to be sensitive to what that does.
24:38We had a killer who had a manifesto.
24:41And NBC allowed itself to be used by that killer to broadcast his manifesto.
24:46Unfortunately, I think we do have to release materials like this.
24:50But there's a time, and I frankly think the world could have waited a while before getting this.
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