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A killer stabs UCLA student Ron Baker to death in a train tunnel known for its connection to the Manson murders. Occult rumors begin to spread — until another missing friend redirects suspicion to Baker's inner circle.
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00:00As teenagers they bonded over a desire to be someone else for a night, but reality
00:11hits hard when one of them is found dead. As rumors and gossip take over the
00:16narrative the surviving friends start to question everything and everyone they
00:26thought they knew.
00:46I gotta say that I'm slightly uncomfortable about going to the park.
00:52Yeah. I've never been to the park before.
00:56There's a lot of people who don't even know this part of my life.
01:00Yeah. A ton of people.
01:02This event really kicked me in the ass because it sent this shockwave of like,
01:09no, it was never safe. You're lucky you're alive.
01:17Is that it? That's it. That's the tunnel.
01:20Feels weird being this close. I've never been this close since.
01:26It looks exactly like every other train tunnel in the world.
01:30Yeah. Yeah.
01:31But for us.
01:32Right.
01:33It's completely unique.
01:34Yeah. This is the last thing he saw, right?
01:36Ron and I met in Indian Guides, which was a
01:42alternative to the Boy Scouts.
01:43I was in first
01:46All in the sun night, everyone's alone.
01:50I'm gonna stay in line.
01:52You're waiting, waiting for someone to never come.
01:57You have to be there too.
02:02Ron and I met in Indian Guides,
02:04which was an alternative to the Boy Scouts.
02:11I was in first grade and he was coming out of kindergarten.
02:14We really found a connection because we were both,
02:17you know, we were both a little weirdo kids.
02:20Very Gen X.
02:21These sort of feral kids that were free to run around
02:24in a neighborhood that was pretty safe.
02:27We would go down into the sewers, the storm drains,
02:30with our skateboards and a flashlight and cruise on down.
02:34It was like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
02:36Going right, you know, through this tube
02:40and we came home when the streetlights came on.
02:43In the 80s, when you were 13 and you wanted to make out with a boy
02:52or drink a really tragic wine cooler,
02:56you would go to the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
02:59That's when we became friends.
03:02Ron, Mark, Duncan, Lindsay, all of them.
03:05People treated it like going to a club on a Saturday night.
03:09It was awesome.
03:10You were just going to see a movie, so like,
03:12how dangerous could that be?
03:14When I was 14 years old,
03:18we all started dressing up like the characters.
03:20We would get to the show probably like two hours beforehand
03:25and hang around in the parking lot,
03:28smoking cigarettes, blasting music.
03:31When you're that age, like early teens, mid-teens,
03:37your friends are the most important thing in the world.
03:41I can't stress enough how happy that time was for all of us.
03:48It just seemed like such innocent fun.
03:50I was in college up in Santa Barbara,
04:01and Ron moved in with Duncan living in the valley,
04:06and then Nathan moved in, and he was a friend of Duncan's.
04:09Duncan definitely replaced the Mark factor for Ron.
04:15Ron finally sort of found himself and his confidence,
04:20and he got accepted to UCLA,
04:23and he started going to the Renaissance Fair,
04:25and there's a whole culture of people
04:26at the Renaissance Fair that he got to know.
04:28When I met Ron and Duncan for the first time,
04:32I was living with my friend Deborah,
04:35and we were all doing the Renaissance Fair together.
04:38She had a dress in Elizabethan costume,
04:40so it would just be like this fantasy.
04:42Of course, being 20-something,
04:44it would be a drink fest.
04:48It's not my bag.
04:49I was, like, going to see punk rock shows.
04:55And then there was people with swords
04:58saying things like,
04:59thou!
05:00I was like, I love you.
05:03Bye.
05:07One night, there was a concert that I was going to
05:12with a bunch of cool people that I had met in Santa Barbara,
05:15and I called Ron and asked if he wanted to come up,
05:17and he said he had plans.
05:20It was the summer solstice,
05:22and he said he was going to be doing something
05:24to celebrate that.
05:28Ron was spiritual that way.
05:33I was supposed to be there that night,
05:34but I canceled on Ron,
05:36and I always wonder what would have happened if I was.
05:52About 11.30 on Thursday night,
05:54my dad called me
05:59and told me that somebody had called him and said,
06:02Mr. Baker, we have your son.
06:06Unless you give us $100,000, he will die.
06:10We were hoping it was just a prank,
06:12but he called and checked with Ron's roommates,
06:18Duncan and Nathan, at the apartment.
06:21They told him that Ron had been dropped off
06:23at a bus stop on Van Nuys Boulevard
06:26and took the bus over the hill to UCLA.
06:30So we got a little concerned.
06:32I got a call at work, which was very unusual.
06:47And it was Ron's sister, Patty,
06:50trying to find Ron because he didn't come home.
06:54I was getting phone calls when I was at work.
06:57What do you mean Ron's missing?
06:59Well, Ron was supposed to go to UCLA.
07:01Like he was, he took a bus to UCLA
07:04and he'd never made it.
07:06I'm like, what?
07:07That's weird.
07:11Nobody could understand
07:12why some random person would kidnap Ron.
07:16But we knew that it couldn't be anybody we know
07:18because anybody who knows Ron knows
07:20they're not rich people.
07:23I went to our family home just to wait
07:25and see what happened.
07:28And then there was another phone call
07:30that came through.
07:32Mr. Baker, we have your son.
07:34Unless you give us $100,000,
07:36by five o'clock he will die.
07:42And then they hung up.
07:45And at that point, my dad called the police.
07:48911, what is your emergency?
07:49They put a towel on the phone.
07:54But the third call never came.
07:58What was really odd about the ransom calls
08:00is they never gave information
08:02about where to bring the money,
08:04what the meetup was,
08:05the usual kind of story
08:07when you're kidnapping a person.
08:08The Sunday I was working late,
08:18and when I got back,
08:20I had a message to call my parents.
08:22So I called them,
08:23and that's when they told me
08:26Ron's body had been found.
08:28Ron was found in the Chatsworth train tunnel
08:33a couple of days before.
08:37But we had heard they couldn't identify him at first
08:39because it looked like he'd been hit by a train.
08:45But he wasn't killed by a train.
08:47He'd been stabbed and his throat had been slashed.
08:56We didn't even know what to think.
08:57It was shocking.
08:58We were just like,
08:59what do you mean Ron's dead?
09:01This can't be real.
09:02I mean, not Ron.
09:04Who would want to do this to Ron?
09:08You know, Ron was a nice guy.
09:14My first thought was
09:15is if this could happen to Ron,
09:17it could happen to any one of us.
09:24Because I was supposed to go with him that night.
09:29Would it have happened to me too?
09:33It's terrifying.
09:34And that became the circus that we all lived in.
09:40There's always a distrust
09:41that somebody is not who they say they are.
09:46And that at any point,
09:48it could all be taken away.
09:50Forever.
09:51After I found out he was gone,
09:58and I looked up at the stars,
10:00like Ron and I used to do.
10:04and I looked at a star.
10:05I think it was serious.
10:06It was like one star that I knew,
10:07and I told them to meet me there.
10:09I told them to find me there.
10:10and I imagined us, you know,
10:11seeing each other again.
10:13And like,
10:14and I was like,
10:15and he was gone.
10:16And I looked up at the stars,
10:17like,
10:18Ron and I used to do.
10:19And I looked at a star.
10:20I think it was serious.
10:23It was like one star that I knew,
10:24and I told them to meet me there.
10:25serious. It's like one star that I knew and I told them to meet me there. I told
10:31them to find me there.
10:35And I imagined us, you know, seeing each other again.
10:47Ron was open to the possibility of things that couldn't be proven. He loved
10:52the idea of connecting with the universe to do some kind of spiritual ritual to celebrate the solstice.
10:59A couple of days before the summer solstice, I know he was trying to get, like, people to
11:04take him up to the Chatsworth Tunnel. It's also known as the Manson Tunnel.
11:11Because the Manson family used to be up around that area. But we all said no.
11:16Because the year prior, a group of us, Duncan, Nathan, and Ron, and our friend Debra, we went up there
11:31midnight one night. And we encountered, like, some other weird people in the tunnels.
11:38And the whole place had, like, a bad vibe. Like, we are not meant to be here.
11:45But Ron had always liked it. Ron always wanted to go back.
11:49Mr. Baker's body was discovered in the railroad tunnel above Chatsworth Park.
12:01Mr. Baker was stabbed numerous times and had his throat slit.
12:04The circumstances of his death and the things that we went through, it's still traumatic.
12:11I got a phone call. It was a call I would never forget.
12:15They had found Ron, and he was, he was murdered. And I screamed.
12:26And I was like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? You know?
12:31I was getting calls from my friends. There was, like, a ransom call. Nobody knew where Ron was.
12:47And then, like, all of a sudden, by Monday, he was dead. It was just, it was so rapid fire.
12:52We were like, what, what is going on here?
12:55When the detectives started looking at Ron's murder, they went over to the apartment.
13:02And when they looked through Ron's room, they found a makeshift falter that had a big candle in the shape of a pentagram.
13:12And then his roommates, Nathan and Duncan, told the detectives that Ron went to UCLA to go to a Mystic Circle meeting that night.
13:21We had heard that Ron's body was decimated with, like, symbols, pentagrams, and they thought it was, like, a ritual killing.
13:36So that's where the police were going.
13:39Then this whole Mystic Circle came up, and it became that Ron got into black magic.
13:46Channel 4 News has learned he was involved in occult organizations both on and off the UCLA campus.
13:53At the beginning, it was just our story. And then the news got a hold of it. And then it became everybody's story.
14:00This next story, a bright, God-fearing kid who went off to school at UCLA in Los Angeles.
14:06Then he was found murdered. And as our Robin Dorian reports, a macabre secret double life was revealed.
14:13That was during the time of Satanic Panic. You have that Tipper Gore effect of music and life.
14:21There's songs about thrill killing, sadomasochism.
14:24Where people were scared of Ozzy Osbourne, and everybody's, you know, a Satanist, and Satanists are coming after your children.
14:31And there was this whole Satanic Panic that happened in the 80s and early 90s.
14:36And I don't know if it happened all over the world, but it certainly happened in Los Angeles.
14:39Some young people are attracted to the occult by seemingly harmless pleasures, such as fantasy role-playing games, like Dungeons and Dragons.
14:49The news had seen some pictures of Ron in a Wicca group, and it just decided that Ron was a Satanist.
14:57Ron was part of something called the Mystic Circle.
15:00But the fact that Ron was into Wicca has no relevance to his murder.
15:11Ron wasn't Satanic. He was very much ritual-based.
15:16But people tried to sensationalize that.
15:19We had met with the detectives, and their line of questioning was all about the occult.
15:39Asking us what we knew about Wicca and the occult.
15:43They were very interested in the fact they wanted to know if any of us carried knives, which we did, because of Renaissance Faire.
15:56And then, I remember them saying, so, do you use these knives to kill animals with?
16:06Do you, like, sacrifice animals?
16:08You know, we had, like, four cats walking around the apartment.
16:11We're like, where are you going with this?
16:14Me and Lydia, we thought maybe there was some random crazy person who killed him.
16:23Ron was very trusting.
16:25So, it really could have been anyone.
16:28The mystery, the big question that we were trying to figure out was, you know, what happened to him after he got dropped off at the bus stop?
16:34Like, between there and him being murdered, what happened?
16:37We thought, well, maybe he didn't go to UCLA.
16:40Instead, he took a bus up to the train tunnel.
16:44There were some weird groups up there, but they had killed him.
16:50Me and Adrian and Duncan and Nathan talked about, you know, what are the possibilities?
16:58Did he have other friends that he went up there with?
17:01Maybe I'm naive, and people are going up to the train tunnel doing occult stuff.
17:07Maybe somebody's after all of our friends, you know.
17:12Who knows what's going on?
17:16Nobody knew what happened.
17:19And everybody started looking at each other a little differently.
17:22It wasn't the same afterwards.
17:25It was hard to trust anybody else, and it wasn't too long before I began to wonder if it was someone from within our friend group.
17:37The discovery of 21-year-old Ron Baker's mutilated body is a horror his family and friends struggle to comprehend.
17:51For them, this must have been the actions of an unknown evil, while police are going public with a much more sinister cause.
18:01Police fear, 21-year-old Ronald Baker, a UCLA student, was stabbed to death by a satanic cult.
18:09There's Ron, there's Patty, there's Dad.
18:13Ron was a great little brother.
18:15Ron was always really funny.
18:17He had a really great sense of humor.
18:19We would play games around the house.
18:22We were involved in the church.
18:24My parents were charter members, which is why I think my parents and I thought it was ridiculous that Ron's murder would be tied to the occult.
18:34We even talked to the detectives about it, and we were kind of upset that it was on TV.
18:42Many people think that because of the way Mr. Baker was murdered, it could have been a revenge-type killing where he betrayed a certain cult.
18:49Other people went as far as to suggest that it may possibly be a sacrifice.
18:53But the detectives told my parents and I that they were not really leaning that way.
19:00They really didn't feel that it was occult-related.
19:05But any media is good media at this time, because if the story is out there, people that saw him at the park that night might come forward and say what really happened.
19:19So we were all just hoping for that.
19:23Friends, we have gathered here as we celebrate the life of Ron Baker.
19:34I remember that I didn't have anything to wear.
19:39I didn't have any black clothes, like they were nice.
19:43I remember Duncan was a pallbearer.
19:47I remember being upset that I wasn't.
19:49I had never been to a funeral.
19:53And Ron's dad was there.
19:55And he started crying.
19:57And I cried too.
19:58Like, that was the first time I really cried.
20:03I gave a eulogy.
20:04And Duncan did too.
20:05Let me now invite up Mark and Duncan.
20:09I'm Mark.
20:10I'm one of Ron's oldest friends.
20:13We were friends without friends in grade school.
20:16And he was always the best friend to me, no matter what happened.
20:22I know everyone that ever came across Ron loved him.
20:27I miss him.
20:33Duncan gave a eulogy as well.
20:36I mean, Duncan Martinez, and it's just hard to think of a time without Ron.
20:42He's always been there.
20:44And he's the one friend that I thought I'd know until I was old.
20:47When Duncan went up and gave a eulogy, I thought to myself, I'm his best friend.
21:00Like, you only get one.
21:02You don't get two best friends.
21:03You're not his best friend.
21:05And I just hope that it's something I can get over.
21:12I was a little off-put by that.
21:14But, and then after that, I think we all, you know, after the funeral was done,
21:19we all went over to Lydia's and commiserated.
21:22It was one of the most emotional days of my life.
21:31I'm not going to mark up a hole.
21:35It was a terrifying time.
21:39I mean, even after that, we were all like, who would kidnap Ron?
21:42I remember thinking, well, where's Nathan?
21:46And Nathan had bailed.
21:47He was gone.
21:49I remember after the funeral, Duncan said, I can't keep going back to that apartment.
21:54Now that Ron's dead, it's too upsetting.
21:56I can't keep going back.
21:57We have to let the apartment go.
21:58Yeah.
21:59We were terrified around that time.
22:01But Duncan was in a panic.
22:04That's right.
22:04That's right.
22:05He was afraid.
22:06Yeah.
22:06And that's when Duncan moved in with us.
22:08My parents felt really bad for him.
22:11And they said, we should take care of him.
22:12He should stay here.
22:13Yeah.
22:16Duncan was staying with my family.
22:18And his moods changed.
22:22More solemn, more angry, more paranoid.
22:25He started saying peculiar things.
22:29Things like, I think I was followed today.
22:34Did you see a car outside?
22:35Did you see this car, blue car, red car, whatever, this make, model?
22:40Did you see this?
22:40This is when we all started to get worried that he was losing touch with reality.
22:49He was increasingly paranoid about stuff.
22:53Maybe they were after him and they got Ron by mistake.
22:56Then one day, he didn't come home.
23:04He kind of came home on the regular.
23:07He'd say, like, see you around 10, see you around 11.
23:09And he didn't come home.
23:12And then the phone rang.
23:15It was about 1 or 2 in the morning.
23:17I was asleep.
23:19When the phone rang too long, the answering machine would pick it up.
23:22But I picked up the phone and it was Duncan.
23:28He said, Lydia, they got me.
23:32And I was like, what?
23:34Who's got you?
23:34And he said, the guys who killed Ron, they got me.
23:44I hung up the phone.
23:47And I was like, they got Ron.
23:50Then they got Duncan.
23:52Nobody knew who was next.
23:53Duncan, he's bigger than life.
24:06He's very charismatic.
24:08He's kind of good looking.
24:09He's fun to be around.
24:11He had a great imagination.
24:14Duncan came up with a lot of crazy stories.
24:17And he always had something interesting to talk about.
24:20You knew that he was a lot.
24:24You knew he told stories.
24:25You always meet someone who's like, he caught the biggest fish.
24:31Duncan and Ron definitely were like, ying to yang.
24:35Duncan had more of the personality.
24:37He was more outgoing.
24:38And Ron was more quiet.
24:39So it always seemed like Ron was kind of along for the ride.
24:43It's the little brother syndrome.
24:45So he's trying to keep up with his, like, cooler friend.
24:47He said that he had been in the Marines and that he had been discharged, but not really.
25:01He said he was going on secret missions.
25:04He would disappear for a few days and say, oh, well, I had to go to Africa and, you know, kill a man.
25:11I said, oh, so they flew you, this one guy, overseas.
25:17Like, within a course of 48 hours, you got flown overseas, did whatever you did, and then you got flown back.
25:23Whatever, Duncan.
25:26You knew it wasn't true.
25:28But it was just part of who he was, you know.
25:30After Ron's death, he moved in with Lydia, or Lydia's family.
25:40And we barely talked to Duncan at that time.
25:44And the next thing we know, somehow, you know, he gets kidnapped.
25:50After I hung up the phone, I was completely out of my mind, scared.
26:07And my stepmother said, we have to call the police right now.
26:10Then Detective Garcia showed up, and I told him the whole story, and he asked for the tape.
26:21And then he said, we'll be in touch, we'll be in contact.
26:24I was actually nervous for myself.
26:27Like, who are these people?
26:29Why did they take Duncan?
26:31Could they come after me next?
26:33Like, what's going on?
26:34My parents were so worried, and my dad got a gun, and we had a baseball bat.
26:42I don't know what that would do.
26:43But we literally were all home terrified for the longest time.
26:49When I heard about the kidnapping, it just seemed so over the top.
26:54It was like, I didn't believe it.
26:58It's ludicrous.
27:00Duncan was just a liar.
27:01I'm going to put this nicely.
27:05Lydia was not in the circle of friends that I knew.
27:10If you knew what Duncan was like, how could you not have seen that he faked it?
27:16Duncan just couldn't handle what happened to Ron, and so he just left.
27:21Duncan was feeling a lot of pressure from the police, and he told my parents that, too.
27:34So we were waiting to see what happened, and he didn't resurface.
27:39And then the police weren't giving us a lot at the time.
27:43But my dad remembered that Duncan had asked us to store boxes in the garage, and my dad found
27:51a to-do list in one of the boxes, and the first thing was get a new ID, get a new car.
27:59It's basically like a list you would make if you're trying to get a new identity.
28:04So my dad immediately called the detectives.
28:15It felt like the longest time, but Detective Garcia came back, and he said,
28:20So, this call that Duncan made to you, saying he was in a warehouse in North Hollywood.
28:32The call actually came from Nevada.
28:38I was like, Nevada? They had him in-
28:40Literally, I was like, he was kidnapped and taken to Nevada?
28:45And that's when Detective Garcia had to explain it to us.
28:48He made the call from Nevada from a bus station.
28:51He took a bus from Los Angeles to Nevada, and now we don't know where he is.
28:57He's running.
28:59And I couldn't believe it.
29:01Because you see things on TV where people do really cruel things,
29:09where they bait and deceive and hurt people,
29:16and it's entertainment.
29:19You just, you, it's never you.
29:31Detectives came and talked to us again,
29:34and it was really clear to them
29:35that there was no occult aspect to this murder.
29:38Even though that narrative kept coming up in the newspapers,
29:45but they were asking us if we'd heard from Duncan,
29:48and they made it clear he was kind of on the run,
29:53and that they were considering him a suspect.
29:57We knew he ran because he couldn't handle it.
30:00We just didn't know that he ran because he was involved.
30:06They also asked us a lot more questions about their roommate, Nathan,
30:12and his relationship with Ron.
30:15Because it wasn't just Duncan that they were looking for,
30:18it was Nathan and Duncan.
30:20And it's like the hair raises up on your arms.
30:28There was no good reason for them to have killed Ron,
30:33but we sat down and told them stuff
30:37that we hadn't told them before.
30:39I remembered about two to three months before Ron's death.
30:45Duncan and Nathan started getting really close.
30:48It kind of pushed out Ron,
30:50and then Duncan told us he was going to get a fake ID.
30:53And somehow Duncan and Nathan
30:56were going to come into all this money.
31:01That's when things started adding up
31:03that somehow those guys were involved in it.
31:09Detectives told us to be careful,
31:12and if we hear from them, let us know.
31:14And it all felt very surreal.
31:18The idea that Duncan and Nathan were still out there
31:22and had done this to Ron
31:25was frightening.
31:29Ron's former roommates are the prime suspects in his murder.
31:34No one knows where to find them
31:36or what they'll do when they're face to face.
31:40Nothing had been resolved with Ron's murder.
31:56Duncan and Nathan were their suspects.
32:00There hadn't been any justice served,
32:02and it felt like it was still all hanging over all of our heads.
32:10Duncan was on the lam.
32:13And Nathan, I never saw him again,
32:16never heard from him nothing.
32:17Until that day at the Renaissance Fair.
32:26That day, Adrian and I are at Renaissance Fair.
32:29We're walking through the crowd,
32:30and it's a nice, beautiful day.
32:32And in the distance,
32:34I can kind of see somebody that I think I recognize.
32:37And he's heading right towards us.
32:41As this person got closer to me,
32:43I realized it was somebody that I didn't really want to see.
32:47I realized that it was Nathan.
32:50I started to get anxious.
32:53But he was really happy to see us
32:55and came up and gave Adrian and I a big hug.
32:59And I didn't want him to know I knew.
33:06So, you know, I just let him hug me and said,
33:09hey, how's things going?
33:12I didn't want to be around him.
33:18But detectives told us, you know,
33:20if we hear from them or if you run into them or anything,
33:23you know, to let us know.
33:25And they went out to Renaissance Fair to try to find him.
33:30It was just this wild goose chase.
33:33And every so often at the Renaissance Fair,
33:36like all of a sudden the detectives show up.
33:38And they never really told us
33:39that they had found either Duncan or Nathan.
33:47I was living in New York City
33:48and I got a call that Duncan had been caught.
33:52And I thought that was it.
33:54I thought it was over.
33:55Duncan was arrested in Salt Lake City
34:00for a fraudulent passport charge.
34:03So he starts talking about a case in L.A.
34:07that he says he was involved in
34:10and that he has information about.
34:13And that was Ron's death.
34:15So the LAPD detectives
34:17were really interested in Duncan's story.
34:20This is all just from Duncan,
34:23who is a habitual manipulator, liar.
34:29So no story that he tells will ever be my story.
34:36But apparently, Duncan and Nathan
34:41had been watching criminal shows
34:44about how you get money out of people
34:46and how you pull off good heists.
34:49And they had decided to use this plan on Ron.
34:55We're not going to hurt Ron,
34:56but we're going to get money out of his parents.
34:58And they took him to the train tunnel.
35:02They went up to Chatsworth Park.
35:07And they were drinking beer.
35:11They were pretty drunk, especially Ron.
35:13And then I guess Nathan stumbled
35:19and Ron was making fun of him
35:21or, you know, saying things.
35:25And Nathan just snapped
35:27and just started stabbing him.
35:34Duncan said it was dark,
35:37so he couldn't see.
35:39But that Nathan kept turning on a lighter
35:42and that he could see little flashes
35:47of what was going on.
35:49After that, they went down from the tunnel
35:53and called the ransom call in.
35:59I know that Duncan made the ransom call
36:02to my parents.
36:04So to me, he's equally as guilty as Nathan.
36:09But Duncan was cooperating with the detectives
36:12and Nathan was incarcerated for a different crime.
36:16So Duncan agreed to wear a wire
36:19and go visit Nathan
36:21so that he could try to get a confession.
36:24I'm part of you on the wall.
36:26You made some part of you on the wall.
36:28Dude, you're f***ing that
36:29scratches on your arms and stuff.
36:31Smash it on your f***ing walls
36:33in the train, in the train tunnel.
36:35You can do that, but you ain't.
36:36He goes and gets Nathan
36:39to admit to killing Ron
36:42in the tunnels at night.
36:44With Nathan's confession
36:50and the DNA evidence,
36:52both were arrested and charged with murder.
36:55It wasn't just like a kidnapping.
37:00It was murder.
37:01And they planned it.
37:02They knew they were going to murder him.
37:05And then they lied to all of us.
37:09That's where the betrayal comes in.
37:11Duncan put on a show to all of us.
37:13You knew what happened to Ron.
37:16You were there.
37:17And you got everybody's sympathy.
37:22He got up there and gave a eulogy.
37:26It's made me the most angry
37:28that he could carry the casket.
37:34Carry the casket and sat there,
37:37you know, with us.
37:39Day by day, watching us cry.
37:43Look us in the eye
37:45and, and, and lie.
37:51He preyed on Ron,
37:53and then he preyed on us.
37:56He ruined so many lives.
38:00I will never be the same.
38:06It affected every relationship
38:08and friendship I had after that.
38:11If you can't trust people
38:12who were in your friend group,
38:13who, who do you trust?
38:21Duncan and Nathan,
38:22they each had separate trials.
38:25I had to go be a witness
38:27in both trials.
38:29Nathan was just blank.
38:31He just sat there,
38:32like he knew he had been caught.
38:33And then I walked by Duncan
38:37and remember Duncan giving him
38:38this weak little smile
38:39and me just staring him down.
38:42I remember I just wanted
38:42to spit at him.
38:43I wanted to hit him.
38:46They were both convicted
38:47of first-degree murder
38:49and got life without parole.
38:52Duncan got life.
38:53And then 2021,
38:57wonderful Governor Newsom
38:59released Duncan on early,
39:01gave him parole,
39:02which is horrible.
39:05And now he's out of jail.
39:07You look up these YouTube channels
39:09and he's talking like,
39:10oh yes, back when I was incarcerated.
39:12I spent 27 years inside.
39:14And it's like,
39:15you're incarcerated
39:15for killing your best friend.
39:17Like, that should be
39:18your disclaimer.
39:19You should have to wear
39:19something around your neck.
39:21I don't know where
39:22the justice is, you know?
39:25Ron would have been
39:26a really great uncle
39:27and my kids never got
39:30to meet him.
39:31And it's just really difficult
39:34to not have him around.
39:40Yeah.
39:47This was the end of the line.
40:05I loved him.
40:07He was such a good person.
40:11Smart and funny.
40:14He challenged me.
40:17He taught me.
40:18He had this, um,
40:21this drive
40:22to do good for the world.
40:24There's not a lot of people like him.
40:39Love you.
40:41Love you too.
40:43You're kind of all
40:44I have left of him.
40:45Ditto.
40:47Yeah.
40:53As long as we can
40:54remember all that amazing stuff
40:56he was,
40:56how smart and kind.
40:58Look at Ron.
40:59Yeah.
41:00Aw, Ron.
41:02Stop it.
41:03That legacy
41:04will way outlive
41:06Duncan and Nathan.
41:08Here he's got, like,
41:08a beret on
41:09because he's in
41:09the Renaissance Fair.
41:11Oh, man,
41:12he loved the Renaissance Fair
41:13because
41:14they won't get a legacy.
41:18And we're his.
41:20He's got a luc dije is out of the B-R전,
41:33A movie on The Ride,
41:33and all theos.
41:37And he the Santa C-R-U-R-R-BSA
41:40and King blue tongue.
41:41I'm a ape with the S-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R.
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