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00:00All right, what's up, y'all? Had to kind of do this video a little quickly. I didn't really get to set up my camera the way I wanted, but regardless, we've kind of got some breaking news here, a lot of breaking news, which we're going to cover. So this is kind of a long video.
00:11But last night, Representative Eric Burleson from Missouri jumped into an ex-base with someone named Tupacabra on Twitter there, right, and had an amazing conversation for like three hours, got to ask, you know, all these people got to ask all these questions.
00:29He revealed so much information. So I have quite a few clips that we're going to go over.
00:34I'm trying to keep them as short as possible so we can get through this, but there's so much more to this conversation that I'm going to share in this video.
00:40So I'm going to put a link down below to that ex-base. I actually recommend listening to this entire thing.
00:46It's just three hours of Representative Eric Burleson talking UFOs and just revealing a lot of behind-the-scenes, you know, details about the process of what's happening and where things are, who he thinks of this person, that person, this event, and what's coming up in the September 9th hearing.
01:04He revealed who the three witnesses are and kind of reveals one of them's, like, story that he might be telling at this hearing.
01:15So let's jump in. We've got so much to cover.
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01:27All right, so this first clip, let's just jump to the meat and potatoes.
01:30I'm not going to bury the lead on this. Let's let Representative Eric Burleson describe the three witnesses that are testifying at the September 9th UFO hearing,
01:39which, by the way, September 9th has been confirmed officially by Representative Eric Burleson.
01:44But let's start with the juicy clip here.
01:45There's many more, so stay with us.
01:47But this is at least, you know, who the three witnesses are for the upcoming hearing.
01:52Now, there's no names revealed, but just, you know, who they are.
01:56Take a listen.
01:56A couple quick ones. The first one is being that is the September 9th date that's floating around, if that's confirmed or not, if that's official.
02:06I went to the last hearing. I was at the UAPDF thing in November.
02:12Well, I introduced myself to you. I plan on attending the next hearing to them just a couple blocks away from the Capitol.
02:17So that would be my first question is the actual date.
02:20The second one would be looking at the progression of the kind of witnesses that are being brought to testify and just me being involved with this topic since I was a kid,
02:31seeing how people that are speaking about this came from just regular civilians.
02:37Now we have, you know, fighter pilots with distinguished careers, intelligence people, the progression of witnesses where they are now.
02:45On this next list that you have, my personal thing would be wanting to have, if there is a legacy program that gets uncovered and you have scientists that are actually working on this,
02:56that would be my star witness kind of situation where scientists can actually speak on data and things like that.
03:04Where are we with on that list? I think of James Lekatsky.
03:09I think of people that have been program managers that would, I don't know if these people are on your radar or not.
03:14Someone mentioned Jay Stratton earlier, Colm Kelleher, these people that have been around the topic and worked under government capacity that are scientists.
03:23What do you think about that?
03:24So to give you an idea who we've got, one individual is a former U.S. Air Force veteran who is going to speak to five UAP incidents during his time that he witnessed and that he investigated.
03:52Um, you've got another individual who, um, is a Navy officer who witnessed UAP events firsthand and, um, and then another U.S. Air Force officer who has, um, witnessed firsthand events.
04:18So we've got, and I'm not going to give their names, but those are the individuals that we've been working on.
04:25It's, we, we often have people trying to get, you know, to, that have already come out publicly.
04:32And, and, and I think that a lot of people want, some people want those, but I think that, that what's better is if we bring forward some new perspectives and people that, um, that have, have, have not come forward until this moment.
04:50Some fresh witnesses.
04:52So that's kind of what we're working on.
04:55Got it.
04:56And then the, the date, is that official or not?
04:58September 9th?
05:00Right now, that is the date.
05:01September 9th.
05:03All right.
05:03So let me know what you think of the comments about those witnesses.
05:06I'm just going to move on to the next clip here.
05:08All right.
05:08This is Eric Burleson, um, talking about David Grush, because as you can see, um, Eric Burleson hired David Grush.
05:16Take a listen.
05:17David is a, he, he's a great guy.
05:21Um, I, I don't, he's, he's, he's not exactly, um, I don't know.
05:29I, I, look, I'll tell you this, this is funny.
05:32I found this funny.
05:34So my team, we have a weekly meeting and, and David is kind of a special employee.
05:43So we don't really expect him to, to appear at our, at our team meetings, like our zoom
05:49call meetings each week, but he does.
05:52And it's, and it's kind of, it's, it's, I find it endearing that he does attend those
05:57meetings.
05:58All right.
05:58This next clip is about, uh, David Grush's security clearance, which a lot of people have
06:03been very curious about.
06:05So take a listen.
06:06I, you mentioned that, uh, Mr. Grush doesn't have the SCI portion of his TS clearance.
06:11Has, has he been able to accompany you into a SAP qualified SCIF to have a complete discussion
06:16of his experience on UAPTF, or is any of that information restricted by virtue of his not
06:22having a renewed SCI?
06:25It is restricted.
06:26And, and, um, to, to answer your question, we've not been able to do that.
06:31And as a result, I've not, we, I mean, ironically, he works for me.
06:37I still don't know everything that he knows.
06:40Now, in this particular interview with Eric Burleson, he revealed that him, David Grush
06:45and Arrow got together in a meeting.
06:47Well, he revealed a little bit more about that meeting with, uh, between David Grush and
06:52Arrow that is really interesting.
06:54Take a listen.
06:54So quick follow-up.
06:55You mentioned that Arrow was really following his lead in a, in a discussion that you had
06:59had.
06:59That must've been even just at the TS level minus, minus SAP readings, even so.
07:03So, um, he, yeah, that was probably at that level because, um, he, there was things that
07:17he was able to talk to the Arrow staff about that he couldn't, that they weren't even willing
07:22to talk to me about.
07:24Uh, so that's kind of interesting that Arrow and David Grush are having a little special
07:28meeting aside from Eric Burleson that he can't hear anyway.
07:31Um, so that's interesting.
07:32All right, let's move to the next one.
07:34Uh, so me and Tupo, we really been investigating kind of like, and kind of what you were saying,
07:38I think kind of alluding to this, uh, sudden sickness that Grush had after Arrow.
07:41Have you or your staff experienced any kind of weird tampering for maybe like some defense
07:46contractors or any kind of like, you know, messing with your, your, uh, furniture in your
07:52home, anything like that from you or your staff since you've been diving into this?
07:56No.
07:57And I'm, I mean, I hope that I'm not just obtuse to all of it, but, but no, I've not, we've
08:02not experienced anything.
08:03I think that being very high profile, um, is a good thing.
08:08So that's interesting to hear that Eric Burleson hasn't had any issues, right?
08:12Or staff.
08:13And he's saying basically being high profile, maybe keeps things from happening to him.
08:17But what do y'all think?
08:18Let me know in the comments.
08:19All right.
08:19So representative Eric Burleson was also asked about Lua Elizondo and his answer is pretty
08:24interesting because I guess a lot of people have been concerned, myself included with all
08:28the, you know, debunked pictures that Lua Elizondo has shown and all the mistakes he's,
08:33you know, made and, uh, basically proven to have said things that just, you know,
08:38aren't true.
08:39Um, and Eric Burleson's asked if this is any concern for him.
08:42And I think his answer may surprise you, but honestly, it might not.
08:48Since we're on Elizondo.
08:49So we were just talking about the photo, but this isn't the first photo.
08:53He's also was, he was caught, um, doing another photo that actually ended up being a glare
08:59in the background for somebody who was in it.
09:02And he was saying as a UFO mothership.
09:04And he said, even as far as saying he confirmed with pilots that they were seeing the same
09:09thing when it actually was just a reflection.
09:11So my question is this, as intelligent, uh, as someone who worked in intelligence community,
09:17he should be held to a higher standard.
09:19It's, it's very apparent that he is at least investigation skills are very poor and he's
09:25been caught multiple times doing this thing.
09:27Um, so at what point does credibility start to creep in?
09:31He could be the nicest guy in the world, but you're talking about a guy that's been on
09:35the front end of things since 2017 with the New York times.
09:38He's been the face of this movement.
09:40And yet he has been caught several times now, either proposing false photos.
09:46Uh, he's, he's stated that he had, he's held certain positions when in fact he didn't.
09:51Um, so at what point does that start to creep in and credibility matters?
09:56Um, that's, that's kind of where I think a lot of the room we've been questioning tonight
10:01about like what's been going on in the back, the back channels, uh, with these, with these
10:06arguments.
10:06Um, and, and that's starting to stick out.
10:10Um, and then all of a sudden we're hearing that Grush is calling Lou to come in and, uh,
10:15and spill the details, uh, per, uh, certain sources online.
10:20So, uh, I know you're saying that Lou's a nice guy, um, but where, where should we be
10:27with this as far as his credit credibility?
10:29Because I, I see it lacking and as somebody who works in this, in that same realm in the
10:35intelligence community, I, I think it's a very poor look on him to say, Hey, here are
10:41these things, they are this, and they end up not being that.
10:44Does that concern you at all?
10:47It does.
10:48Yeah.
10:48And I, I would say it's not that I, I patently trust everybody.
10:56Um, you've got to kind of trust, but verify.
10:59Um, what I found in this, in this experience is that a lot of people are trying to get you
11:07to stop listening to, to others that are involved in this, this conversation.
11:12And if, if I really kind of, if I held a high litmus test to everybody, then I probably
11:21wouldn't be able to have conversations with anybody.
11:24And so, um, so I, but at the end of the day, I have to take what everybody's telling me
11:34at face value and decide, you know, oftentimes what, what people are telling me is secondhand,
11:45um, information and I've got to kind of, um, take it with a grain of salt.
11:51So that's kind of interesting.
11:52And, and honestly, I understand Eric Burleson's point, you know, makes a good point.
11:56So look, um, I think a lot of us have wondered about David Grush's IC, uh, IG investigation,
12:03right?
12:03It was deemed credible and you know, all of this stuff, right?
12:06What's happening?
12:07Well, it's been years, right?
12:08What's happening with that investigation?
12:10Well, Eric Burleson gives an answer on that and this definitely will surprise you and
12:15may even piss you off.
12:18But if we stop and think his answer actually might be a good thing is what are, what was
12:26the outcome or the results of Grush's ICIG complaint?
12:29We've speculated for years, um, that we, we've, people said they know, they don't know.
12:37Um, Grush has stated that he filed a reprisal complaint, um, with ICIG stating that he received
12:44reprisals, which I think essentially led to him, uh, leaving the NGA.
12:49Can you give us some insight into what, I mean, I'm assuming your office has, has at least
12:55looked into that portion.
12:56Uh, what is, what was found on that?
12:58Because there's a lot of speculation in this domain about Grush and that, and anything you
13:03can disclose for that on an unclass level?
13:06Yeah.
13:06As far as I'm, I know that is still an ongoing investigation.
13:14It's been two years.
13:15That's, that's, that's, that's a, that's a long time.
13:17Um, okay.
13:19Maybe the reason it's taking so long is because there's something there, right?
13:22It wasn't dismissed immediately, right?
13:24So maybe the fact that it's taking so long actually is a good thing.
13:28All right, let's go to the next clip.
13:30Besides Lou or like, uh, David Grush, is there, are there other people that are on your high
13:36priority list that you all are seeking to get in to testify either openly in Congress
13:42or to, uh, come and testify in a classified SCIF?
13:46Um, we do have, we do have a list.
13:49Grush is mostly working that list.
13:53Um, some of them are not willing to come in.
13:57Um, and, and so we're kind of those members that are not people, those individuals that are
14:02not willing to come in voluntarily.
14:04We are, we potentially might subpoena those, those individuals, um, when it comes to Lou and
14:15what we, what I could, what I would ask him, I would ask him, were you, how much knowledge
14:23do you have about the, the legacy program?
14:25Um, how much personal knowledge, um, intimate knowledge do you have experience with the legacy
14:31program?
14:33Um, I would ask the, um, I would ask for locations.
14:39I would ask for, um, other individuals.
14:44Um, and if, and if he's had personal direct contact, because that's not something that he's,
14:53um, talked about before, but I believe that he probably has, I believe that he's probably
15:00had personal direct contact.
15:02So this is an interesting answer that representative Eric Burleson thinks Lou has some sort of,
15:08basically he knows more than he's saying.
15:10And I think the same thing.
15:12I actually said that in a space yesterday myself.
15:15I think the reason that they're trying to get Lou Elizondo in a SCIF so much is because,
15:19uh, David Grush thinks that he has more information than he's saying, right?
15:25In fact, Lou Elizondo's lawyer came out swinging against David Grush and other people saying,
15:29uh, that he was a control freak and this and that.
15:32I mean, he came out swinging hard against David Grush and Colonel Carl Nell, not saying good
15:36things about any of them, right?
15:38This is Lou Elizondo's lawyer.
15:39So this is so strange.
15:41He basically said he's done, you know, he's fighting back.
15:43So comes out swinging against Grush and because Grush apparently had asked for red meat from
15:48Lou Elizondo, if Lou Elizondo was going to come in a SCIF that, you know, Lou Elizondo needed
15:53to, to cough up the information, right?
15:55And he, in Lou Elizondo's lawyer, Ivan is saying that, um, he felt, you know, he was being pressured
16:01to tell Lou that, right?
16:02You got to force your client to reveal information in the SCIF and, uh, you know, basically Lou saying
16:09I can only reveal what I'm allowed by the executive branch.
16:12Right.
16:12And so, I don't know, there's some tension behind the scenes.
16:15It's, it's a shit show.
16:16Yeah.
16:16It's a complete shit show behind the seats.
16:19So anyway, it's kind of interesting comment from Eric Burleson, but let's move on again,
16:24cause we got more to cover.
16:26Um, given that if they have, I mean, cause it's kind of a catch 22 because to be vetted,
16:30they have to prove that they know information, but then that's classified information.
16:35So how do they share that with you to prove that they're legit?
16:38I mean, you know what I mean?
16:39It's like a wink, wink sort of thing.
16:41Like, Hey, I know stuff.
16:42Like, how do you go about it?
16:43So, I mean, having Grush on staff is, is the key.
16:47So he is able to do background checks on individuals and he knows everybody, he knows a ton of people
16:54in the intelligence community.
16:55So he's able to kind of verify, um, if people are being accurate about what they're saying.
17:03Has there been some where he was like, Oh, that person's kind of, that didn't check out
17:07when I looked into it?
17:08So there have been, there have definitely been conversations and I've, I've spoken to
17:13a lot of people, not a lot, but a handful of people that Grush is highly suspicious of
17:20and, and, and is, um, and so, and is warning me about if that gives you an idea.
17:29So this is very interesting, you know, basically David Grush is behind all of this.
17:33If you listen to the space and whatever, Eric Burleson is leaning on David Grush so much
17:38for everything, who to interview, who to listen to, who to talk to, who's trustworthy, who's
17:44not, who to question, who not.
17:45I mean, David Grush is, and I don't mean this in a negative way.
17:49I just, he's sort of the gatekeeper right now for at least what Eric Burleson is doing.
17:56Right.
17:57And that's interesting, right?
17:58Cause you put all your cards in one basket.
18:00Hopefully David Grush is an admirable, honorable guy.
18:04Cause if he's not, this whole thing is, is not good, right?
18:07It's going through one filter for Eric Burleson.
18:10So that's kind of interesting.
18:11He just, he relies heavily on David Grush and look, I like David Grush.
18:15I don't know him, but from what I've seen, I like him.
18:17Right.
18:18And I'm curious what's happened with this investigation, right.
18:21From years ago.
18:23Right.
18:24Um, and I don't mean this ICIG investigation, you know, they're still looking at that, but
18:28I mean, you know, why aren't they going after his 40 witnesses and all this stuff?
18:33And, you know, everything, you know, anyway, all right, let's, let's, let's just move on.
18:38There's too much here.
18:39Next clip.
18:39If Tulsi's office clears him and the other aspect is he could be hired by Tulsi.
18:46He could be hired by the white house.
18:48If Grush were hired by any of these agencies, then it all goes away.
18:53His limiting factor is that he's a staffer for a member of Congress and the default clearance
18:59for a staffer as a member of Congress is the TS level.
19:05And they're not going to, it's, it's highly unusual.
19:09It's not been done for them to be able to give somebody a higher clearance than that.
19:14The only way that you get a higher clearance in Congress is if you're a staffer for the
19:20committee.
19:21So, which is why I tried to get Grush on as a committee staffer for oversight, but, but
19:29there's oversight did not want to kind of break a precedent and, um, and do that.
19:36So, I mean, that's so interesting about Grush, right?
19:38That's what's holding back his clearance.
19:39And so many people have been curious, right?
19:41It's basically starting from scratch.
19:43So they can't use anything that he had before to get him that clearance.
19:46So he's kind of in a weird position that someone like him has never been given that
19:50clearance, but didn't he have that clearance before?
19:52Shouldn't that put him in a different league?
19:54So it sounds like they're just starting from scratch and trying to find a way around the
19:58normal ways of people getting clearances, which is interesting.
20:02So just interesting.
20:04And if Tulsi Gabbard hires them, right?
20:07The white house hires David Grush.
20:08I don't know.
20:09Very interesting.
20:09I guess more could happen here.
20:11Where I'm at is I'm not for certain, and I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that
20:16what we're talking about is reverse engineered technology.
20:20I think that, and I think it's highly plausible, probably more likely than not, that we're,
20:27what we're seeing is advancements in technology that are natural advancements.
20:33And, um, and, and they're just being put into production.
20:37That's my personal view.
20:41That's why at the end of the day, while I'm heads down studying this topic again, I just
20:47want to remind everybody I'm still a skeptic and I feel like I've got to remain being a
20:53skeptic until I'm convinced otherwise.
20:57The show me state, right?
20:59That's right.
20:59So this is so interesting from Eric Burleson.
21:01And honestly, I can't say that I disagree.
21:03And I think a lot of people agree, right?
21:04Open minded, but still very skeptical about what's going on now.
21:08I don't know if I'd be so absolute in my conclusions as Eric Burleson is just, but I
21:14also don't have the access he has.
21:15I haven't seen what he's seen, right?
21:17Just normal dude here, uh, with no access at all.
21:21So, um, but you know, very interesting to hear him say that and honestly, pretty reasonable.
21:28So have you in the task force, have y'all spoken to Jay Stratton at all, um, since it
21:34was put together?
21:35No, we have not.
21:38I feel like one of the look into you since he's like Lou's boss and everything, have
21:42y'all inquired about it?
21:44Is there a reason why you haven't specifically looked at Jay Stratton?
21:47Is he just not come across your desk or have you been, is there any like mention of him
21:51at all?
21:53Yes.
21:53I mean, he's, his name has come up multiple times.
21:56It's, it's not, um, it's not one of the ones that, um, Grush seems to see as a high
22:01profile or somebody that is a priority.
22:06Now, this is super interesting.
22:07The fact that David Grush is saying Jay Stratton is not a priority.
22:12That is super interesting.
22:13I mean, Jay Stratton is the, the, uh, um, um, you know, I guess maybe the star is not the
22:21right word, but he's the star of, uh, this new age of disclosure documentary.
22:25He was David Grush's boss.
22:26I mean, Jay Stratton goes back deep long head of ATIP, head of ASAP, head of the UAPTF.
22:33I mean, he's got a huge book coming out, uh, revealing all of his stuff.
22:38I mean, how is he not a priority?
22:41That makes no sense.
22:42I, I, we got to pull the thread on that.
22:45How is Jay Stratton not a priority for David Grush and therefore is not a priority for
22:49Eric Burleson.
22:49Do you see what I mean?
22:50If David Grush doesn't think someone's whatever, then that's it.
22:55He's just not looking into it.
22:56I think that's a mistake.
22:58One of the most rememberable conversations I've had was the one that I had recently, um,
23:06where Anna, Felina, Luna and myself met with a whistleblower.
23:10I had to travel to get there and I mean, it took me an entire day to get there and back.
23:18And it was, um, someone who, who is coming from the, from the, uh, the, the nautical source.
23:29And so the activity that's happening under the ocean is what he was talking about.
23:35And it was kind of remarkable.
23:37Um, almost reminded me of the movie abyss to get you, you, you asked me about a movie.
23:45Um, oh yeah, he didn't say abyss, but the things he was talking about reminded me of
23:51the movie abyss now in regards to the water kind of formation or the like almost jellyfish
23:57manta ray beings.
24:00No, just that, that there is a, like a structure in the deep ocean.
24:07Wow.
24:11I'm not saying that you're turning to rapid.
24:13I don't know.
24:13Again, let me, let me kind of say this.
24:16I have been burned a lot recently by, by giving.
24:22So I, I'm, I'm, I'm volunteering information to you guys that have, that has been told to
24:29me, it doesn't mean that I'm saying this is, this is factual.
24:34This is true.
24:35This is what I know to be true, but I often get misquoted in major publications for saying
24:43things like, for example, that there are giants and there are four alien species.
24:50When I didn't say that there are four alien species, I was told that there are four alien
24:56species.
24:56So I just, um, just, I just wanted to say that so that, um, yeah.
25:03So this is super interesting, um, what he reveals here.
25:08Right.
25:08And again, he has to state too, that he's not saying this is real, but he's willing to listen
25:12to it and tell us.
25:13And I'm all for that.
25:14Don't decide if it's real or not.
25:17And then you can decide to tell me, tell me I'll decide if it's real or not.
25:20Right.
25:20So I'm, I'm good with that.
25:21I often get lambasted on this channel of why'd you show that?
25:25Why'd you show that?
25:26My job isn't to decide if something's real or not for you.
25:28I show you and can give you my opinion, right?
25:31But I can't tell you if it's real or not.
25:32Don't listen to anybody telling you that.
25:35Right.
25:35Don't listen to these bozos with their sources trying to tell you exactly what the truth
25:40is.
25:41They don't know.
25:42Right.
25:43You should decide for yourself.
25:44Don't please don't, don't trust anybody.
25:47Not even me.
25:48I mean, decide for yourself what is real or not.
25:50Don't let people tell you what is real or not.
25:52That's why I'll just show you this stuff and you can decide yourself.
25:55But I appreciate Eric Burleson's approach here.
25:57And I got to say, that's a great story.
26:01Now we're going to end with a really long clip.
26:04And this is Eric Burleson basically giving the rundown of where we're at in ufology.
26:10And it's a great breakdown of what went down with the skiffs in April with Luella Zondo
26:15and this and that and the other and all of that.
26:17So it's a long seven minute clip here, but I'm going to end there.
26:21So you can hear exactly where we are in total with ufology.
26:25So let me give you an idea.
26:26There is a lot of miscommunication as to what happened in April.
26:32So we had a we had a skiff briefing set up with Lou and the group of people that he was bringing in.
26:41And at that what what the goal was, let me let me let me back up.
26:49So when we got this task force put together, they were the staff for this task force were people that were fresh off of investigating Biden and doing financial forensics.
27:05Forensics, they were doing I mean, these that they were the staff are basically former prosecutors and and they're not familiar with the intelligence community.
27:16And so when we and so that when they were assigned to this new task force.
27:22It just wasn't working.
27:25They were great with the JFK files.
27:27They were great with the you know, all the assassination files, but they weren't really focused on UAPs.
27:35In fact, I'll just be honest.
27:37Like there was some meetings that we would have where some of the staff were giggling and you could tell that they didn't take the topic serious, seriously.
27:46So. So that that's kind of where things were, right?
27:53Can you guys hear me?
27:54Yes, sir.
27:55OK, so then so that's why I really felt like we had to bring somebody else in that was.
28:05That that knew this area, that knew the intelligence community and what better person than David Grush.
28:12So we hired David, I had to bend over backwards to figure out a way to make it work in my office and legally hire him and then go about trying to get his top secret clearance renewed and to get his his T.S.S.C.I. clearance.
28:35So he's able to get the T.S. clearance, but not able to get the T.S.S.C.I.
28:43So we were still waiting for Tulsi's office to approve that.
28:48So that's kind of waiting out there.
28:50Right.
28:50We get to the April week on Monday.
28:55Grush flies in.
28:57He and I have a meeting with Arrow, a very productive meeting.
29:01And I will say at that meeting, it became abundantly clear that I had made the right decision because Arrow was not as informed as Grush is on this entire topic.
29:17In fact, they were picking Grush's brain.
29:20When you're in a room and they're literally like turning all attention to him and trying to pull information out of him, it became clear that, you know, the person that really knows what's going on and he was giving them advice on what to do.
29:39Where it is.
29:40Where it is.
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