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00:00What's up, Vetters? Patrick here with Vetted. We have an absolutely bonker story again to cover the Rendlesham Forest incident. If you're not familiar with that, don't worry. We're going to get into the details. But some brand new witnesses have come out about this case. They went on News Nation with Ross Coulthard. So we're going to cover this interview.
00:20But as I dug into the story, I found out there's a lot more craziness to this. And as I was getting this research together, Ryan Sprague from the Somewhere in the Skies podcast reached out to me and he let me know he has some history with the Rendlesham Forest case and the new people that have come out about this.
00:42So I did an interview with Ryan from Somewhere in the Skies who was able to honestly shed some light on a lot of the gaps in this story and what he has to say.
00:54You haven't heard anywhere else and you're going to be surprised about this.
00:57So this video today will include clips from Ross Nation, excuse me, Ross Coulthard's News Nation interview with these new Rendlesham Forest, quote, whistleblowers who are coming out and my interview with Ryan Sprague.
01:13So this is a long video, but I promise you it will be worth it.
01:18All right. So a little backstory on this. I interviewed Nick Pope about Rendlesham Forest back when Vetted first started.
01:24And I'm going to share with you a little clip from our interview talking about Rendlesham Forest.
01:30And mind you, this is the very first video I ever made for Vetted.
01:34So be a little forgiving for some of the editing and this and that.
01:38I was trying some things back then.
01:39So here's just a quick little rundown exactly what happened at Rendlesham Forest, the official story.
01:47But as you'll see, as we dive into this video, more people have come out.
01:53Rendlesham Forest incident from the UK, sometimes called Britain's Roswell, although it wasn't a crash.
02:01It was actually a landing.
02:03But but that's a great case because you've got everything in this single incident that makes a case compelling.
02:12It took place over three consecutive nights.
02:15It involved multiple witnesses.
02:17Most of them were military.
02:19The UFO was briefly tracked on radar.
02:22And best of all, it left physical trace evidence, burn marks on on the ground and scorch marks up the sides of some of the trees.
02:33This this this this Rendlesham Forest lies between two United States military bases in the UK and the deputy base commander, who was very skeptical about sightings on the first and second night.
02:48He himself saw this thing on the third night and the file of the one the Ministry Defense file on this has been declassified and released.
02:59So it's not just stories.
03:00There's a paper trail that that people can follow.
03:04So that's I think that's case number one flying saucery dot com I guess there could be some relevant information there.
03:16I found stuff on UFO websites myself.
03:20I guess we're all using the same sources.
03:22Let's take a closer look at the Rendlesham Forest case that Nick has brought up.
03:28We'll dive deeper into a special clip from a YouTube show called The Basement Office.
03:37It's co-hosted by Stephen Greenstreet and Nick Pope.
03:43Well, this is December 1980.
03:46Personnel saw these strange lights in the forest, thought that maybe an aircraft had come down and and was burning.
03:54So they went out, of course, to investigate and found not a crashed aircraft, but a landed UFO.
04:02John Burroughs and Jim Penniston, who out of the people who went to investigate, were the two who actually then went forward to approach the craft.
04:13Later in The Basement Office episode, they interviewed Jim Penniston about what he saw.
04:18Here's an excerpt from that clip.
04:20As I got closer to the craft, the fabric of the craft where this color was running through, it finally just dissipated and stopped.
04:28And all of the left was the black opaque craft, which was shiny in nature.
04:35And I would describe it as looking like black glass.
04:39It was obvious it was not U.S. Air Force craft.
04:44This is real declassified audio from the Rendlesham Forest UFO incident, taken by Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt.
04:52The initial sighting, 3 a.m. on December 26th,
05:22when the airmen saw something apparently descending into the forest, coincided with the appearance of a bright fireball over southern England.
05:31And such fireballs are a common source of UFO reports.
05:35The supposed landing marks were identified by police and foresters as rabbit diggings.
05:41No evidence has emerged to confirm that anything actually came down in the forest.
05:47All right, so let's get into my interview with Ryan from Somewhere in the Skies podcast.
05:53And as we're doing the interview, I'll insert clips from the News Nation podcast, you know, kind of put it all together.
06:00So, now, one quick thing I do want to say is that Ryan is having a live stream on his channel to show some exclusive footage, okay, very rare, of Larry Warren and Peter Robbins, right, who wrote a book together at Rendlesham Forest in 1994.
06:19So, I'll put a link down below.
06:21Please go check out that live stream on Ryan's show so you can get more information about this if you want.
06:28Now, let's get this started.
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06:39Okay, Rendlesham Forest.
06:41Yes, holy shit.
06:43You know, what's funny is when I started Vetted, I interviewed Nick Pope.
06:47It was my very first interview that I ever did.
06:50And literally within five minutes of the interview, the first case we talk about is Rendlesham Forest.
06:56So, I'm coming back full circle to the very beginning origins of Vetted.
07:01And this is kind of cool.
07:01I thought I knew everything about this case.
07:04I actually go pretty deep back then.
07:07Now, it was a couple years ago.
07:08I've forgotten some things.
07:09You know how it is if you don't kind of keep up a little bit.
07:12But, essentially, help me understand if the story is now, or maybe it's always been this way, and I just didn't know, that Rendlesham had, you know, this one incident happen with one craft.
07:25And now, first time I'm hearing it, there's another incident that happened with a separate craft, right?
07:34Is that the story here?
07:37Essentially.
07:37One of the things that made me sit up, because I'll be honest with you, Larry, I've read about you before.
07:42I've never spoken to you directly.
07:44And I have to admit, I accepted the official explanation that you're a bullshit artist.
07:51There you go.
07:51No offense to you.
07:52No, I'm not.
07:53The claim was made that this was all a fabrication, that this claim of a later craft incident was just you alone making these claims.
08:04But when I read the Heseltine book and saw Dion's film, what's interesting to me is you've got Adrian Bistinza in the Heseltine book, supports the fact that you were in the forest that night at Capel Green.
08:18Now, like you and I think most UFO researchers out there, we have always assumed that this was a sort of singular event on a singular night.
08:29Now, mind you, there are three consecutive nights of activity that happened during this event with various witnesses on each night, different testimonies.
08:39You know, like, you know, it can be very hard when you're dealing with the testimonies of different people and trying to triangulate that into one cohesive kind of case.
08:51And that's what Rendlesham has always been, is a very confusing case timeline wise with all the different people involved.
08:59But now we're hearing from one of the claimed witnesses, Larry Warren, who has said that he was involved on the third night of the events, now saying that what he experienced that night, what he witnessed that night, and what has been the most contested part of this entire case, that it was a completely different craft.
09:25Okay, Larry, I'm going to, I'm going to rein you in my friend.
09:29Yeah, yeah, you've got to stop whinging about being attacked.
09:32It's not like my ex-wife.
09:34Yeah, I want you to answer the question.
09:38Okay, so, so, so, so, I want a clear witness statement that gives me a description of what you saw.
09:46It's really important because what you're describing is really important.
09:49It's a completely separate craft sighting and entity sighting.
09:54Well, there is.
09:55It's completely separate.
09:57Okay, forgive me.
09:58But I love, I'll talk to anyone that swears as much as me.
10:01On the field was this triangular object.
10:04It was in the place of that mist.
10:06It was not on legs or tri, I didn't see that as any kind of thing holding it up at all.
10:14It just, it didn't make sense.
10:15Movement was slower.
10:17That began halfway into the forest.
10:19There was something wrong out there.
10:21There's like entities involved that he describes looking like the figures from the very famous Whitley Stuber book, Communion.
10:28That's what he describes, like those beings.
10:31But why would, I mean, let's assume this is right for a moment.
10:35I'm just debils advocating and asking the questions I think anybody at home would be asking.
10:39Why would Holt go to the extent of corroborating what was clearly some kind of anomalous, non-human, intelligent, technological object moving through the forest in the incident that he describes?
10:51Why would he admit that and then be a party to a conspiracy or a cover-up to conceal the fact of a craft landing with entities being seen on the ground?
11:03Well, he is.
11:04I can't answer why he would do that, Ross, but I know through doing my own research, there's something not right here with all of this.
11:12Something is being manipulated and suppressed and whether he's part of that or not, I don't know.
11:20I assume he probably is, but I think Larry should probably answer that because he knows – yeah, sorry.
11:30Is that a point?
11:32Now, Larry, I'm going to be an absolute disciplinarian here and I've got a whip under my desk.
11:38I don't want you to worry about people slagging you off and calling you a fraud or anything like that.
11:43I just want – I want a nuts and bolts, full-color, detailed description of what you saw on the ground.
11:52So, please give me a full account right through to what you say included entities.
11:59Well, I saw a triangular object that was about 20 feet across.
12:05It went up to a rounded kind of top.
12:08It had a reddish-amber light at the top.
12:11It kept distorting and changing.
12:13It was snow white.
12:14It looked a little different in the movie.
12:18There were parts of it that were – it just didn't look aerodynamic.
12:22You didn't know what to think and you weren't in the right kind of normal mindset like we are right now.
12:28And this being, thing, or whatever, I've never said alien, came off the surface of this object.
12:36What do you see?
12:37It was like a bubble.
12:39It depicted in Dion's film.
12:41So, the best way I'd describe it is just a part of the fabric of that craft separated on the ground, three feet above the ground, or a foot off the ground.
12:50I mean, these things in it faded out.
12:52And there were three individual-looking – in fact, Bastinza's the one that said, why are these kids here?
12:58It just – everything was bizarre, and it was there.
13:03And who else was there is – and to describe the hit, there was the big eyes, but it was – it was like ghosts, okay?
13:09It looked like ghosts.
13:11It wasn't like close encounters, the little aliens come out and shake everyone's hands, and off they go.
13:17It was very surreal and – very surreal.
13:21Did it happen?
13:22Okay, I need – I need – okay, I need descriptions.
13:25So, are they humanoid creatures?
13:27Oh, yeah.
13:27What color are they?
13:28Well, geez.
13:31They were like ghosts.
13:32Picture Casper the friendly ghost, but not friendly.
13:36Facial features, not really defined.
13:39Inside these lights, and you couldn't see the lower extremities very well.
13:44Did they have arms?
13:45Oh, yeah, yeah.
13:46There were two arms, and it went down on – they were on the sides of these beings, things, non-humans.
13:54Did they have hair, ears, nose?
13:56No, nothing.
13:57It's the classic communion.
13:59You ever seen the book by Whitley Streber, Communion?
14:02Of course, everyone's seen that cover.
14:04That face, that's what it was.
14:06It was one of those alien – or non-human, because I don't say alien.
14:11They could be from Earth.
14:12I don't know.
14:13So, they had big black eyes, was it?
14:16They had almond-shaped kind of – you know, the classic wraparound kind of eyes.
14:22That was the most defining image of the face.
14:26And how close are you at the point where you see these entities in this craft?
14:30Well, according to Sergeant Bustinja, I'm closer than he was, and I was too damn close.
14:35I was probably about 15 feet from it at that point.
14:42Yeah.
14:43Is there any noise?
14:45No noise.
14:46There was a vacuum out there, the whole place.
14:48There was no noise except the sound of a dog barking off way out there, probably that farmer's house.
14:55So, if you go back to the British best-selling book, Left at Eastgate, that was co-written by my mentor, Peter Robbins, who co-authored this with Larry Warren back in 1997.
15:09The first edition was published.
15:12Larry did go into this, that he saw a landed craft.
15:18He saw what he calls figures, almost, you know, these ethereal beings of light that did kind of look like the communion alien.
15:28He could not see their legs.
15:30He said ghosts, right?
15:31Yeah, like Casper.
15:33Yeah.
15:33Yeah, yeah.
15:34So, I mean, this testimony he is bringing forward has been around for a long time.
15:40However, this is news to me now through this new documentary that he is involved with called Cable Green, that this was an entirely different event.
15:50Not only that, he now has other people coming forward to back up his story, which I think is kind of the big development in this case when it comes to the testimony of Larry Warren.
16:01It's very important, and I can understand why Larry is upset that he's been called a fraud and a liar by so many people over the years.
16:09I'm not upset.
16:10I just want to get to the...
16:11I'll tell you why.
16:14I'll shut up.
16:15No, no, no.
16:16I understand.
16:16But I really want to get to the point of how many people corroborate that Larry was there in the forest at Cable Green.
16:25Forgive me if I'm wrong, but is it correct that Adrian Bistinza is a witness to Larry being there, and Greg Bartram is a witness to Larry being there, and Steve Longero is also a witness?
16:41So we've got three separate witnesses saying that Larry was in the forest that night at an incident where there was a craft.
16:48Yeah, if you're asking that to me, Ross, so Adrian Bistinza was stood next to Larry while they witnessed this craft and those entities in the Cable Green field, and Steve Longero was there.
17:02So Steve was involved in part of the investigation where Colonel Holt and his party were looking at those impressions in the ground that were roped off and sectioned off, and the Geiger counters were used to check the trees and those impressions.
17:21So Steve was involved in that as well.
17:23Okay, got it.
17:24Okay, so this, so first night, allegedly, well, there's three nights, and the main characters, Burroughs, Penniston, what's the other guy's name who did the recording?
17:37That was Colonel Charles Holt.
17:40He was the deputy base commander at the time.
17:43That's right.
17:43So essentially, the whole idea has been just those three figures mainly involved in this particular incident at Rendlesham Forest, right?
17:52Taking place over three nights, and I guess Larry is saying now, well, he said it back then when that book was written, but more people are coming forward to, quote, corroborate his story.
18:04There was a separate craft, not the same one Penniston saw and went up to and saw the, you know, hieroglyphics on and all that.
18:13He's saying it's a different craft, huge.
18:15It was massive.
18:16So different craft, all taking place here.
18:21Here, so what's the, so what's the problem?
18:25Like, why, like, if I'm listening in, right, I'm like, okay, what's the problem?
18:29A new guy coming forward and saying that something else happened.
18:32What's the controversy, like, around this story?
18:35So, Larry, I'm confused because officially it's acknowledged from the Holt memo that there is the one incident that took place where Holt went into the forest,
18:49and that was on the evening of the 27th into the 28th of December 1980, and that followed a previous evening where Burroughs and Penniston and Cabansag had gone into the forest,
19:03and I think Penniston and Burroughs had witnessed the triangular-shaped craft in the clearing.
19:10And one of the things that I think is often used to attack your credibility and Steve's credibility,
19:16and I'm sure it will be used to try and insinuate that you're lying again in this account,
19:22is that Penniston and Burroughs say that they were not with you in the forest on the evening when they saw the object in the forest.
19:33What do you say to that?
19:36I've never claimed to have been with them the night they went out.
19:40My ship wasn't even rolled back on duty yet.
19:43I don't know who's come up with that garbage, but I've been on record for 43 years, Ross, already, beyond these guys.
19:51I saw John Burroughs, who was off duty on night three out at the staging area.
19:57Jim Penniston, I only saw him next morning, a member at the breakfast table, telling us to all keep our mouths shut.
20:04So that's the truth.
20:05Okay, can I just double-check then?
20:07Yeah, go ahead.
20:09The incident that you're talking about is a completely separate craft sighting from the incident that Penniston and Burroughs described
20:20that took place on the evening of the 26th, 27th of December.
20:24Well, the dates are probably wrong on that document, and it was a memo, a courtesy memo we wrote for MOD.
20:30But the reality is, only Burroughs, only Jim describes walking and touching something on that night.
20:36I wasn't on duty that night.
20:38I'd never have said I was with them at all.
20:40I knew both of those guys.
20:42So I'm really glad we've got that clear.
20:44So basically, on the evening that you saw a craft in the Capel Green clearing, and on the evening that Steve saw you in the Capel Green clearing,
20:56that's a completely different evening from the evening when John Burroughs and Penniston saw the craft.
21:05That's correct.
21:05So that's a very important point.
21:07So, you know, basically, the contention here is Larry claims to have been the first, quote-unquote, whistleblower to come forward on the Rendlesham case.
21:20And to his credit, he was the first to basically go out in public and say, this event happened back in 1980.
21:28There were many military personnel involved.
21:31We were told to keep quiet about it.
21:33Yes, he was, in fact, the first to do that.
21:37However, what is in question is his direct involvement with this incident.
21:42There are many who claim that he wasn't even there at the event at all.
21:49There are many who have questioned his actual discharge papers when it came to being in the military.
21:56Secretary, you talk to Jim Penniston, John Burroughs, they say that Larry was never there that night.
22:02Colonel Charles Hall says Larry was never there either.
22:06Now, I mean, to Larry's defense, a lot was going on.
22:10A lot of people supposedly saw this.
22:12They may just not have seen him.
22:14However, I think one of the big things, Patrick, here is you have to keep in mind Larry Warren's position at the time.
22:19He was a security police airman.
22:24And the fact that he's saying that he was put directly 20 feet from this craft just doesn't really add up when you really look at all of this stuff.
22:37It would have been people much higher in rank than Larry Warren that would have had direct involvement, such as officers like Penniston and John Burroughs.
22:47So, I mean, there's some contention there as well.
22:50But who am I, man?
22:51Like, maybe the security, maybe they're like, hey, you go.
22:54You go up to that craft if it's got radioactive stuff going on.
23:00We're going to hang out in the back here.
23:01But the big thing, I think, with this is that throughout the years, Larry Warren has come under a lot of scrutiny inside and outside of the UFO field.
23:18There are many who have found him being less than honest when it comes to both this event and also other aspects in his life as well, where, you know, for a period of time, he was selling autographed memorabilia of people like the Beatles and celebrities like this.
23:38And it was found out that he had actually forged a lot of these autographs and whatnot.
23:45Again, you know, I'm not everyone makes mistakes.
23:49Everyone has done things in their life they regret.
23:52But this and not, you know, exist outside of this highly contentious information he's brought forward on what has become one of the most well-documented UFO cases out there.
24:05So I'm not here to defame Larry Warren by any stretch of the imagination, but I have had personal run-ins with this individual.
24:13I actually have a really weird, unique story about how I got involved with this case, if you want me to share that.
24:19Of course.
24:20Of course.
24:21So I don't know if I've told you this, but I spent over a dozen years in New York City as a playwright.
24:30You know, my plays have been published all over the world.
24:32Excuse me, produced all over the world.
24:34And I found this unique opportunity when I met Peter Robbins, again, the co-author of the book with Larry Warren.
24:43When I was first really getting involved in the UFO research community, I went to Larry Warren and Peter Robbins and I said, loved your book.
24:53It was awesome.
24:55I want to write a play about it from both of your perspectives.
24:59And we were off to the races, man.
25:03I had their blessing.
25:04I was interviewing Larry.
25:06I was interviewing Peter on a monthly basis.
25:09I spent over three years working on this play.
25:13And, you know, down to the nitty gritty details.
25:17Like, what was the color of the wallpaper in the apartment when you two first met?
25:22Like, what were the feelings you were feeling when this story was all that, man?
25:27Yeah.
25:27And as I was doing this, I was learning more and more about each of these individuals, Peter Robbins and Larry Warren.
25:35And Larry is a very charming individual.
25:39And he was like, this is going to be awesome.
25:43I can't wait.
25:44I can't wait.
25:45And then all of a sudden, man, I got this message from him saying, don't you dare do this play.
25:53And I won't say anything more other than evidence I have on my phone of what he said.
26:03But essentially, it stopped me in my tracks and made me concerned about my own safety.
26:09And I decided to put the play on the shelf and not write it.
26:14This was also the time, the same time, where Peter Robbins and Larry Warren had a falling out because Peter had found out a lot of stuff about them working together and the information brought forward.
26:27What year is this, by the way, more or less?
26:30This would have been in the, oh, my gosh.
26:34I want to say the mid 2000s when this all sort of went down and Peter and Larry had a falling out.
26:41And it sounds like a soap opera, man.
26:43But at the end of the day, like I'm a playwright.
26:45I drama is my thing.
26:47But this was like this is too much even for me.
26:52And I'm like, Peter is an upstanding individual and literally came forward and apologized for having written this book with this guy who he believes now was.
27:04He was basically not even there when any of this happened.
27:08And now you have this individual going on things like News Nation in this upcoming documentary, Cable Green, and almost evolving his story.
27:20So what else is new in the UFO world?
27:24You have an initial event and it just builds on from there.
27:28We see it all the time and it's so frustrating.
27:31But, yeah, Rendlesham is one of the messiest, most confusing things out there.
27:37But Larry Warren doesn't make it any easier to try to decipher that and try to find the truth about what really happened in that forest over those three nights.
27:48Where is Robbins now?
27:51Like, is he what does he think about this?
27:54Has he kind of stepped away from things?
27:55Does he still come out like is he going to come out now and say something about News Nation interview or is he sort of quiet on all this?
28:03I spoke to Peter maybe a month ago and it was one of the first times he's really opened up about this entire thing.
28:12And it's dramatically affected him emotionally, psychologically.
28:18I mean, he spent years and years writing this book with this guy, building a trust and a working relationship together, defending Larry for dozens of years.
28:31When people like the deputy base commander and John Burroughs and Pennison were saying, dude, it's full of it, man.
28:37Like, come on.
28:38And it has taken a toll on Peter and what he thinks of himself as a credible UFO researcher.
28:47It's tough, man.
28:48I've been there.
28:48I've been lied to.
28:50I've been, you know, I've been BS.
28:53People are fantasy prone.
28:55Like, it's a hard field to try to be in and try to stay, I guess, on the right side of history.
29:06And Peter is on this, you know, teetering on the edge here where he's like, what did I get myself involved with?
29:14And it sucks.
29:15But you know what?
29:16At the end of the day, he's kind of brushed it off and he's moved on with his life.
29:20And he stands by everything he wrote in the book about the incident itself, the documentation.
29:27It's Larry's involvement that seems to put a monkey wrench in all of this.
29:33Now, I want to bring in Steve Longero here.
29:36Steve, can you give me an account of what you saw in the forest that night?
29:42But before you do, I want to take you through your role because you had a role that was elsewhere on the base.
29:48And a lot of people have made issue of the fact that as a guy who was patrolling the weapons storage area, what on earth were you doing in the forest?
29:58Tell me what your role was at the base.
30:01Whereabouts were you?
30:04To begin with, I was patrolling the weapons storage area.
30:08And that's where I saw the craft.
30:10It was hovering over the weapons storage area.
30:16Different lights glowing.
30:18We don't know what's going on.
30:23All the alarms went off in the weapons storage area.
30:26So now we're on full alert.
30:30Remember, this is during the Cold War.
30:32So we don't know what's going on.
30:37All those alarms never go off like that.
30:41That's the way it was said.
30:43What sets the alarm off?
30:46Motion.
30:49Any kind of motion.
30:52Anything.
30:52kind of pressure if you, if they, they, they used to have it where these things were buried into the ground, any kind of pressure on that, or anybody walked in that area, like outside the perimeter, alarms would go off.
31:13And can I double check, Steve, when you say the, when you say the weapons storage area, the area that you were securing was tactical thermonuclear weapons.
31:30There was weapons in there.
31:33Were they nuclear weapons?
31:34I can't say that because I, I never saw a nuclear weapon in there because they're hard, it's a hardened, they're hardened structures, but I assume there was something to do with that in there.
31:53And do you think the reason why the craft was over the weapon storage area is because it was taking an interest in those nuclear weapons?
32:01It's possible.
32:03Very possible.
32:03What, what, what, what did you see when you saw the craft?
32:08Was it just there or was it, I, I've heard accounts of it directing some kind of a beam down.
32:13Right.
32:14It was, it was, it was, it was like a, a giant searchlight.
32:18Uh, that's what was so weird.
32:20It was like, what, what the heck is this?
32:22You know, uh, it was like a giant searchlight just, uh, searching the whole area.
32:29And.
32:31I remember going, what?
32:32Uh, we're all like, look at each other.
32:34What, what is this?
32:35You know, this thing's glowing.
32:37And then it was hovering and then it disappeared.
32:41We were surrounded by that forest.
32:43So that, that weapon storage area was in, uh, kind of in, in, in, in between that forest or the outlying area.
32:55So that's why I got involved because, uh, this thing covered and then it went into the forest area.
33:03We watched it hover to the treetops and all the alarms went off.
33:09And so they dispatched a few of us out there to investigate.
33:13I just happened to be one of them that went out there.
33:17What, what exactly did, um, did Peter find about, I mean, maybe we can't get into all of it, but like what, what exactly did Peter find that led him to believe?
33:27Oh shit, this guy I wrote the book with Larry has been lying to me this whole time.
33:32What, what did he find out?
33:34And why did it take so long?
33:35You know what I mean?
33:36Like, why didn't that stuff come up when they were writing?
33:38I, I, I definitely can't speak to why it took so long for Peter to do that.
33:44I don't want to put words in his mouth for that.
33:46However, I do know there were some, some things that had to do with other people who were involved, who said that, uh, you know, that no, that, that did not happen.
33:59Um, there were documents that had to do with Larry's, uh, enlistment and, and when he was on the base and things like this,
34:08that were brought into question, there were these outside, um, sort of tangential things going on with Larry, uh, forging things and, and lying about things and inserting himself in, in pictures that he wasn't actually in like back in the day, dude, where you're like cutting things out, pasting them on a photo and then putting it through a Xerox.
34:30Like we're not talking copy and paste 2025 here.
34:34So that takes a lot of work in effort to do something like that.
34:38And that kind of, again, uh, puts his character into question.
34:43I, uh, there were a lot of other extenuating circumstances that led Peter to believe that Larry Warren, uh, was not who he says he was, did not experience what he experienced.
34:56But again, end of the day, I can't say Larry wasn't there.
35:00Um, I can only bring forward what I know about all of this.
35:03And, and that is, um, you know, working with Peter Robbins for over a decade at this point, both on the play and in my own UFO research.
35:14So, yeah, you said he was your mentor, right?
35:16Yeah.
35:17Um, so like I'm, I watched this news nation piece, right?
35:23The whole thing through, and clearly I'm going to include clips in this video.
35:27Um, and one thing I did notice is how, um, combative Larry is in the interview and Ross has to reel him in several times.
35:36In fact, Ross goes so far as to say, I need you to just answer the fucking question.
35:41I'm not joking.
35:41That's literally what Ross says to him.
35:43I need you to answer the fucking question.
35:46Like verbatim.
35:47That's the quote.
35:48I was like, oh shit, Ross.
35:49Yeah, absolutely.
35:50Reel this guy in.
35:51Cause he, he spent half of the interview just complaining how nobody believes him and how all this is whatever.
35:57But let's put that aside.
35:58Let's, let's, you know, forget personalities and this sort of thing.
36:02He, allegedly the director of this, um, uh, what's it called?
36:07Capel green.
36:08What am I calling it?
36:08Uh, Capel green.
36:11I believe it is.
36:11Sorry.
36:12Sorry.
36:12Okay.
36:13Yeah.
36:13Capel green, uh, which is a region in that area, right?
36:16Isn't that.
36:17So it's the clearing where Larry Warren claims that his event took place.
36:23This event with beings and all of that.
36:27So yes, it is a completely different part of Rendlesham forest, um, which is a big.
36:32Aspect to all of this, that he's saying that people saw things from vantage points that there's absolutely no way they could have.
36:40So, yeah.
36:40Okay.
36:41So, so this director, you know, I'm watching this interview and this director says I've been working with Larry the last eight years and I absolutely believe he is telling the truth.
36:50You obviously believe strongly that Larry and Steve are telling the truth about what they saw.
36:56Well, 100%.
36:57No, no doubt at all.
36:58I've, I've spent eight years with, with Larry and I've seen what he's had to go through.
37:03Um, and you know, the way he's been treated is, is really disgusting from a human rights issue.
37:08If we look at that alone, that's completely wrong.
37:11The way he's been treated, he was the whistleblower in this to come forward and try and tell the world about these incidents.
37:17And then he treated like that as part of the reason I got involved as well.
37:21And, you know, Larry claims he took, uh, some sort of a sophisticated lighter detector test that no one else has taken.
37:27Uh, that in fact, not only have they not taken it, he says they were offered and denied.
37:33Right.
37:33But they, they said, I won't do it.
37:35So that's even different than not even being offered at all.
37:37Right.
37:37Like, so there, he's saying they're, they're denying, trying to come out and improve.
37:41He says he's the most reliable source out of everybody.
37:44Can I say one thing, Ross?
37:46I know you're doing this show.
37:47Can I one thing here to my, you know, cause I, I, God bless you.
37:51Sir, I don't know.
37:52It's a hard thing to get this thing in your head after 45 years of this crap.
37:58Well, if I may just say, and I don't want to give the exciting film away, Dion, but I'm going to do it.
38:04There's a lot in that film.
38:05That's a human thing, but that's, I am the only one.
38:10And the guy below my little head there, Steve is a brother.
38:13We went through the training.
38:14He is a standup guy.
38:16He's an ex law enforcement guy.
38:17He has more cred than a couple of names you've mentioned already.
38:20And no offense to you, but you're looking at the guy here and perhaps it had to happen.
38:26For this movie to go forward, I took and passed a top tier polygraph and I remain the only person in the whole, the guy below me don't need to do one.
38:36But I think Penniston boroughs halt, some researchers out there about agendas and all need to take one.
38:43They've been offered to, and they've declined.
38:45So, and I've passed six VSAs.
38:47So I'm either a CIA agent or, and have paid people to say they were with me.
38:53It's so crazy, the subject.
38:57Yeah.
38:57But, you know, it's interesting just as this director would, would put everything behind this guy, right?
39:02For eight years.
39:03And then they bring this other witness who allegedly was with them.
39:06Who's new, right?
39:07This guy, Steve.
39:07And he's, quote, corroborating sort of his evidence.
39:13This is where I get confused, though, because as I understand it, Penniston, Burroughs and Kabansag had their incident with the craft in the forest on the evening of the 26th into the 27th.
39:27Okay.
39:28That's an earlier evening, and there's no account that they give.
39:32They actually take issue with the claim that they were in the forest into seeing the craft on a later occasion.
39:41What's going on here?
39:46What do you mean what's going on?
39:48Well, I mean, on your account…
39:50You're talking about the timeline of events, I assume.
39:52Yeah, I'm trying to get a clear timeline because there's an inconsistency here.
39:59You've got Penniston, John Burroughs and Kabansag testifying that they went into the forest and saw the craft, including the account that Penniston gives of the craft sitting in the clearing with the hieroglyphics on the side.
40:13And that was on the evening of the 26th into the 27th of December, 1980.
40:18On your account, there's a second sighting of a craft in the forest.
40:26That's not the 26th to 27th.
40:29Are you clear that by the time this object's seen over your weapon storage area, the earlier incident with Penniston and Burroughs has already occurred?
40:39My recollection is that's the reason why I was dispatched out there.
40:50But I was out there a second time when Colonel Holt was out there, and that's when Larry was out there.
40:58When I can tell you that Holt was out there.
41:03I remember the radiation readings.
41:05So you say that you were out a second time.
41:10Yeah.
41:11What was the first time that you were deployed into the forest in response to something that Penniston and Burroughs and Kabansag were involved in?
41:21Was that on the evening of the 26th, 27th?
41:23Do you recall with any detail when that was?
41:25You know what?
41:27I cannot tell you the exact date.
41:30All I remember is I was out there when they were out there because of all those alarms going off at the weapon storage area.
41:38Right.
41:38Because, I mean, I'm not trying to trip you up.
41:40I'm not trying to play games with either of you.
41:42But it's just people have pointed to all of these inconsistencies.
41:46Because Penniston and Burroughs have, I think, called you liars.
41:52Nope.
41:53That's not true.
41:54Yeah.
41:54That's not true.
41:56Can I back to you?
41:57As I understand it, they take issue with the claim that Larry was in the forest with them.
42:03Okay.
42:04Let's back up.
42:05That is not true.
42:07That is a false statement.
42:08Because Penniston told me to my face.
42:11They, let me tell you something.
42:13Penniston and Burroughs, they called me several times in the recent years.
42:21But let me back this up.
42:22That night, Penniston told me and others after this whole incident to shut our mouths.
42:29Do not say anything.
42:34That's well, I believe that's well documented that he did do that.
42:38And it might even be in his book.
42:41I don't know.
42:42But they tried to call me several times after this incident or in the past years and try to tell me what I should be saying.
42:52And I refused.
42:54And that's why I don't talk to those guys.
42:57I don't know.
42:57What do you think about that?
42:58Like, what are they finding or what are they seeing or what's going on?
43:03I mean, it is confusing.
43:05It's all hell.
43:06It's confusing.
43:06Everyone's confused in the interview.
43:08Everyone's confused.
43:09And then you read the comments on the News Nation thing.
43:12Not one comment is like, now it all makes sense.
43:16Every comment is, I'm more confused now than ever.
43:20It's almost like saying that the Tic Tac was Lockheed Martin technology, right?
43:24Sorry, I had to.
43:28I had to get that one in there.
43:30So for me, I do not want to take anything away from Steve Longero, this other witness who is now corroborating Larry's story.
43:39However, I will point people to an open letter that Peter Robbins posted on his website.
43:46I'd be more than happy to provide a link for that.
43:48Where Peter spoke to Steve Longero and told Peter, I want absolutely nothing to do with this case.
43:55And I want absolutely nothing to do with Larry Warren.
43:58So I want to know where this turnabout face comes, where now he is corroborating Larry's story.
44:05To say that Larry wasn't there is a total false statement because I remember, I kind of make a joke of it because we were just peons.
44:15We were brand new airmen and we were told to go get these light on us.
44:19And I remember him being there, doing that.
44:23And I've never said I've touched any crafts or anything like that.
44:29I'm just telling you what I remember.
44:31Okay, sir.
44:32But let's just quickly.
44:34So when you went to the clearing in the forest where you saw the trees that had been burnt and the burnt bark and the triangular landing point, that's a separate location from Capel Green.
44:46That's somewhere in the forest.
44:48Is that correct?
44:50I reckon so.
44:51Okay.
44:52And so how did you get from that clearing to Capel Green?
44:59We walked through.
45:01I mean, that's all I remember.
45:02You know, I remember walking and seeing it from a distance.
45:08And that's all I remember.
45:10As for the filmmaker, I, hey, you know, Peter spent more than eight years working with Larry Warren on a book about this.
45:21Um, and he, that's where we're at.
45:26So if anything, um, I, I, I just want to, you know, tell the filmmaker, uh, just be careful, man.
45:34Again, I'm not out to like say Larry Ward's the worst person ever.
45:39I'm just be careful who you speak to and who you invest all of your, your trust and into when it comes to something like this at the end of the day, man, like we all want answers to what happened in Rendlesham forest.
45:52However, I think this interview with Ross Coulthard and Larry Warren, um, only raised more questions and, and it did not cast the main player in the best of light, in my personal opinion.
46:07So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well said, man.
46:12Um, and that's a good point about, um, you know, that Peter worked with Larry for over eight years, right?
46:20Like, and still later on found a way, right.
46:23And some people are good at manipulating you for a long time.
46:26I mean, who doesn't know someone in their family or a friend or some who was manipulated by somebody for decades.
46:33So, um, all right, no, that's a, that's a fair point.
46:36So, okay.
46:37So just for timeline sake, the, the, what can be confirmed is that Larry is technically the first person to come out and say something publicly about Rendlesham forest.
46:48Correct.
46:49If you go and look, there was actually a book written prior, uh, that was called, you can't tell the people.
46:57Uh, I believe it was, I, Jenny Rendles, I believe was the author of that.
47:02I could be wrong on that.
47:03Um, and there was an anonymous witness in that book that was actually Larry Warren.
47:09Uh, now, uh, you know, he would later come forward and actually give his real name and work with Peter.
47:15Um, but yes, Larry was going around and telling people about what had happened and, um, word started to spread.
47:23And then that would initially lead to a FOIA request to release this quote unquote audio tape, this Holt audio tape and Holt memo that was, uh, released, which Nick Pope has done a lot of research and investigation into.
47:40And if you listen to that tape, man, the Holt tape, it is extremely unsettling.
47:45You are hearing in real time, what happened in the forest that night.
47:50Yeah.
47:50Uh, what you're not hearing is the voice of Larry Warren anywhere, but that's just what Steve was out there investigating with Colonel Holt was from the previous night when the Jim Penniston incident had occurred and that craft had landed.
48:06That was an investigation into that.
48:09What Steve was doing out there was actually nothing to do with the Capel Green incident.
48:13That was all happening on the same night, but Steve was with a different party of people.
48:18Yeah.
48:18But what Steve's just said to me is that he did look from a distance at what was going on in Capel Green and he saw some kind of object.
48:27Well, he would have been in the forest and the location of where they were investigating that triangular landed craft was in a very different geographical location.
48:39And that's, that's precisely why I'm asking that point, because I mean, I've, I've been to Rendlesham forest and I know where the triangular shapes in the ground.
48:48Well, sorry, where the three legged shapes in the ground.
48:51Is that where the sculpture is Ross?
48:53Have you been to where the sculpture is?
48:55Because that's in the wrong location.
48:57Okay.
48:58No, no, it's, it's not.
48:59Um, so what, what, what you're acknowledging though, is that there is a location where Charles Holt did a investigation into a landing the previous night.
49:11And now there's this other account of, uh, an alleged landing at Capel Green and Steve's describing seeing something at Capel Green.
49:22And I was just trying to understand why he got from the forest to Capel Green.
49:28Do you, do you have any explanation for that?
49:30Could I maybe, uh, just round that out as you know, Ross being out there and Steve, where you were with Charlie and his buddies that they're investigating.
49:40I believe something that landed earlier that night, nothing to do with Pennistines the night before, but through those Corsican pines, you can clearly see the activity that was going on out in Capel Green at a pretty good clip.
49:55And I think that's, Steve hasn't been there in 45 years.
49:59So I have to, I'm there quite a lot for like an idiot.
50:02I don't know why I go back to the damn place, but it's, uh, you can never leave it, can we?
50:06But that's would be, I'm not speaking for someone, but that's why he would see things going on, but he was not in the field and he's never said he was with us, but he was out there the same night because we were with each other at the stage in the offload area.
50:23So we're all lying.
50:25So Steve, okay, no, that's fine.
50:28So Steve, when you, when you say you saw some kind of glow on Capel Green, were you looking through the forest or were you actually on Capel Green?
50:38You know, I'm, I'm going to say, I, I had to be in the forest, but looking through because, you know, I, I just remember seeing this glow in the field.
50:55Right.
50:55So, so Penniston, Paul, every Burroughs, everyone came out after Larry.
51:02Correct.
51:03Yes.
51:03So, right.
51:04But when I talked to Nick Pope, he did study this case, you know, in the nineties, the early nineties, right?
51:10Like this is, that's why we talked about, I mean, that's what he told me really believed in that case.
51:14And didn't Nick Pope sort of come out against Larry as well.
51:17Kind of like backed up Peter Robbins, right.
51:19Kind of backed them up and said, you know, and Nick was literally on the office to study that case.
51:26Wouldn't he have seen Larry's name and other people's names?
51:30Right.
51:30Like, so.
51:32There's another really weird sort of theory on all of this too, man.
51:37Um, that Larry actually was the proxy for someone else who was there that night and it has assumed their story because that person never wanted to come forward.
51:49Um, again, that's really going down.
51:52Like a forgery.
51:54It's not the real signature.
51:55He's impersonating the signature and that would fit with his character profile that you kind of laid out, which is very interesting.
52:04Yeah.
52:05Wow.
52:05You know, and I can't prove that or anything, but that is out there in ether.
52:10Yeah.
52:10Yeah.
52:11No.
52:11I mean, look, it's on Larry to provide evidence and proof for what he says, his claims.
52:16It's not on us to do it.
52:18You know what I mean?
52:19That's you're coming out and saying these things.
52:21You need to do this and whatever they put out this film, people will give their take.
52:26And one thing I am for certain after all hearing everything and going back through all this and that I am more confused than ever with this aspect of the story, not with the other aspect, you know, that the kind of, uh, penistin and all of that.
52:42Like that seems pretty, you know, but, but Larry introducing all this stuff, because as Ross is talking to him, he's really trying to clarify the entire interview.
52:51Wait a second.
52:52So, so let me just be clear.
52:54You guys have to say, this is a different incident than the first night, right?
52:58Like you're saying that night one, this happened night to this at night three.
53:02So you're on night three.
53:03You didn't see, did you see these guys?
53:04You didn't see it.
53:05Wait, wait.
53:05You saw him at breakfast and you don't know what you saw.
53:07You know, this, that, the other, I, there was no real answers given.
53:12Like there's no real, there was even a point where Steve, and I'm not trying to go after these guys, like same as you, you know, just asking questions, but.
53:21You know, Ross is asking Steve questions and he can't even answer them.
53:24He's asking Larry, what is it, Larry?
53:26Like he just asked you where the incident took place.
53:29You can't say like, no, Larry, what?
53:32Like, I'm sorry.
53:33That was definitely a lot of red flags.
53:35If you're going to have someone come on to corroborate your story, the last thing I want to hear is you feeding them information in the moment to say, man, again, these red flags just keep popping up in these little tiny things that an individual will start talking about is meant to confuse you.
53:55Is meant to muddy the waters because then, you know, the left hand's over here doing this while the right hand's over here doing this.
54:04And, again, my personal experience with Larry and people like Larry is just be careful.
54:13Just be careful.
54:14No, that's good advice, man.
54:16You know, I don't want to, this will be the last thing I bring up here.
54:19Or we'll end it here.
54:20But I forgot to ask the follow-up question after the play you said you were writing on this incident, which, by the way, is such a cool idea.
54:27And you're so talented, dude.
54:29And that's such a cool thing that you did.
54:31And I hate that you had to put in so much effort to just like at the last second something get taken away.
54:35And I've done creative projects like that.
54:37And that can be a real blow.
54:39But so he sends you a message that just frightened you, like you were actually concerned for your safety, your physical safety.
54:49Wow.
54:50Yeah, I, you know, it was enough for me to sort of put it on the shelf and maybe I'll revisit it someday.
54:59And maybe, hey, with all of this, it'd actually be a much more dramatic play now.
55:05So who knows?
55:06Maybe I'll have to really look at what the second act of the play is going to be and rework this whole thing.
55:14We'll see.
55:14We'll see.
55:15That's funny.
55:16I mean, you like drama on the stage, not in real life, right?
55:19It's like.
55:19No.
55:20Man, like I'm so boring outside of like the podcast and my playwriting.
55:26Trust me.
55:26So, yeah, I don't need it in my life.
55:28Yeah.
55:29No, I get it.
55:29None of us do.
55:31Well, thank you again, Ryan.
55:32This was clarified so much, man, to be honest with you.
55:36And I think a lot of people are going to be happy that you were able to fill in some gaps here, to be honest with you.
55:43Again, it's still left out there for them to prove their story.
55:49And, you know, we'll leave it there.
55:51So is there anything else I didn't mention that, you know, that you wanted to say before we go here?
55:56I don't want to.
55:56Oh, no.
55:57I mean, I look forward to seeing the documentary and seeing the evidence brought forward.
56:02If Larry passed a lie detector test, great.
56:05Like, that's great.
56:06But like, let's try three more tests, you know, like these things can be a fluke at times.
56:12So I, again, I'm not out to say this guy isn't, wasn't there.
56:18But for me personally, I'm still on the fence.
56:22And I think we should be.
56:24And I think, again, yeah, proceed with caution, as they say.
56:28Oh, well said.
56:30Yeah, man.
56:30If you can send me the link of that letter.
56:34Yeah, absolutely.
56:35Steve, you said that Peter, right?
56:36I want to be able to put that in the description so people can check that out.
56:40Because I think that absolutely is an important point to consider.
56:45So, all right.
56:46Ryan, thank you so much, man.
56:48Thanks, Patrick.
56:49Always a pleasure.
56:50All right, veterans.
56:51That's it for today's video.
56:52Links down in the description.
56:53Don't forget to check out Ryan's live stream, of course.
56:57And as always, remember, every day is a gift, y'all.
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