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00:00You
00:17Who are you really?
00:21You may not be a spook Mark Costley
00:26But one thing's clear
00:30You're beautiful
00:34You're in love with secrets
00:40Maybe that's all we shared you and I
00:44Trust me
00:48A secret
00:53A secret we have to keep
01:00You
01:12Sergeant Jones
01:14The man we have on the dock here Mr. Costley
01:16Do you know him?
01:18Yes, I worked with him throughout my time at the Crown Estate
01:22On a daily basis?
01:23That's correct
01:24Would you mind describing to the court
01:26Mark Costley's responsibilities as a security advisor
01:30So far as you understand them?
01:32Certainly
01:33It was his job to ensure compliance
01:35Health and safety
01:36Any arrangements for special events
01:38Checking the duty log
01:40Supervising shifts for the CCTV monitoring crews
01:43That sort of thing
01:44And was Mr. Costley good at his job?
01:46Yes, he was on the whole
01:48He was very reliable
01:50He was very reliable, efficient
01:52During the time that you worked with him
01:54Until he was arrested
01:56Did your colleague display any behaviour that led to concerns that he might be unstable?
02:02No, he did everything that was required of him
02:05He was just normal
02:08Normal?
02:09To talk to, the way he acted
02:11You aware of any change in what you describe as Mark Costley's normal behaviour
02:16In the days before the killing of George Selway on March the 12th of this year?
02:22I can't remember any change at all
02:24He seemed how he always did
02:26What about prior to that?
02:28In November of the previous year
02:30When Yvonne Carmichael told him she'd been raped
02:33Did you observe any change in your colleague Mark Costley's behaviour at that time?
02:38No
02:39I don't remember any change whatsoever
02:42He was just Mark
02:44Sergeant Johns
02:45You've told the court that you saw no change in Mark Costley's behaviour in November of last year
02:51Is that correct?
02:52Yes
02:53That's not strictly true, is it?
02:55In respect of Mark Costley's behaviour to you
02:58Was there a change?
03:00Not really
03:02I don't think so
03:03Isn't it the case that during November
03:06The two of you had had a short-lived relationship
03:09Which ended acrimoniously?
03:11No, that's absolutely untrue
03:13It wasn't a relationship
03:16I wouldn't describe it like that at all
03:18How would you describe it?
03:19I would say Mark propositioned me
03:24And had he propositioned you prior to this?
03:28No
03:29So this marked a change in his behaviour then?
03:32I suppose so
03:33I thought that you meant his general...
03:34You went for drinks with Mr Costley after work on I believe three or four occasions
03:39Not that many times, once or twice
03:42Once or twice
03:43Oh really what?
03:44My information is that it was at least three times
03:47And on the last of these occasions in early December of last year
03:50You had intimate contact with Mr Costley in a Westminster pub called the Bull and Keg
03:56Firstly
03:57The first time we went out was with a group of people
03:59So I would say twice
04:01Secondly the contact that you're referring to was initiated by him and I told him to stop
04:06Immediately?
04:11Did you ask him to stop immediately, Sergeant Johns?
04:17Not immediately, no
04:19So perhaps you could take us through exactly what happened between you in the Bull and Keg?
04:25We'd had a few drinks
04:27Mark, Mr Costley had his hand on my knee
04:31It was making me uncomfortable
04:33Just having his hand on your knee
04:36No
04:41I have no wish to embarrass you, Sergeant
04:43But can I suggest that you and Mr Costley had been drinking together since around 6pm
04:48He had his hand on your knee beneath the table
04:51And at some point he moved his hand under your skirt, down your tights and into your underwear
04:58Where he proceeded, I believe the appropriate colloquialism is to finger you
05:04My lord, I fail to see how this is in any way necessary
05:06Well I'm seeking to establish the fitness of the witness to assess the defendant's mental state
05:12I'll allow this question but move on swiftly please, Miss Bonnard
05:17Did Mr Costley insert his fingers into your vagina, Sergeant Johns?
05:20Yes
05:26And did you prevent him from doing so or object in any way?
05:30Not at the time, no
05:32So in other words, you and Mr Costley had intimate sexual contact
05:36Which in many people's eyes constitutes a relationship
05:39I told him I didn't like it
05:49Was this in the pub?
05:52No, at work
05:54The next day
05:55It was embarrassing
05:58I told him I wasn't interested
06:00And after that he made it clear that he was giving me the cold shoulder
06:03Things got quite hostile on his part actually
06:07He started ignoring me in meetings and so on
06:10He made it really difficult
06:11So when you told this court
06:15That Mr Costley was just Mark
06:19In both November of last year when Yvonne Carmichael sought his advice
06:23After her rape by George Selway
06:25And in the days immediately preceding the killing of George Selway
06:28Did his normal pattern of behaviour include the sexual advances towards you
06:32And his difficult professional behaviour?
06:34I just meant the day to day
06:37It was nothing I couldn't handle
06:39It's been felt out by a colleague in the pub normal as far as you're concerned, Sergeant Johns
06:42No, of course it's not
06:45No further questions for this witness, my lord
06:49No questions, my lord
06:54Thank you, Sergeant Johns, you may step down
07:01Poor Sergeant Johns
07:04Two weeks after I told you what George Selway did to me
07:09You were in that pub with her
07:12That's how much I mean to you
07:14Dr Sanderson, can you tell the jury what you do?
07:17I'm a consultant forensic psychiatrist
07:20And I've been practising as such for the last 23 years
07:25You conducted an assessment of Mark Costley while he was on remand
07:28Is that correct?
07:29That's correct
07:30Having examined Mark Costley
07:32Do you assess him as suffering from a personality disorder?
07:35I do not
07:36Why is that?
07:37An individual with a personality disorder would not hold down a stable marriage
07:45Let alone a career in the civil service
07:48And during my assessment, Mr Costley displayed none of the signs or symptoms of a personality disorder
07:56What are those?
07:57Emotional instability
07:59Lack of individual identity
08:02Pattern of run-ins with the law
08:05Suicidal behaviours
08:06Addictions of various kinds
08:09In my expert opinion, he has difficulty telling the truth
08:14But the pursuit of extramarital sex
08:16And a tendency to embroider the facts
08:19Do not mean he is mentally unwell
08:22Otherwise half the men in the country would be seeking treatment
08:25Coming now to previous offences on file
08:33Yes, in 2005 Mark Costley pleaded guilty to the charge of assault occasion in actual bodily harm
08:40Thank you, Detective Inspector Cleveland
08:42That concludes the case for the Crown, my lord
08:47I don't know you at all, do I?
08:50I never did
08:52And you are holding standing between me and a prison sentence
08:59I'm sorry I wasn't there this afternoon
09:01I took Carrie-Anne for a check-up
09:03But everything's okay, isn't it?
09:05Yes, yeah
09:07You would tell me if it wasn't?
09:09Absolutely fine
09:10Of course
09:12The baby's just not ready to come out yet
09:15All okay this afternoon?
09:17Yeah
09:18Smoke and mirrors, you know
09:22You know I love you
09:24Stay strong
09:26I'll see you tomorrow, love
09:28Bye
09:33Good morning, Dr Carmichael
09:35We're getting there
09:37Even Miss Bonnard shouldn't be able to spin her case out beyond the end of today
09:40Really?
09:42Well, Mr Costley won't be in the box as they're pleading diminished
09:45So, uh, yeah
09:47The assault that the prosecution mentioned yesterday
09:51Do you know the details?
09:53He, uh, he attacked a man outside a restaurant who was chatting up his wife, I believe
09:58Broke his jaw
10:00The jury doesn't know that
10:02It won't have exactly improved their opinion of him though, hearing as a conviction
10:05Hopefully the defence psychiatrist Miss Bonnard is calling will help convince the jury that Mr Costley is mad rather than bad
10:12Not that we're relying on his defence, you understand
10:15But it would help our case, wouldn't it?
10:17Diminish responsibility, manslaughter
10:19It would help certainly
10:22When I examined Mark Costley, he displayed very highly developed coping mechanisms
10:29Uh, considering the situation he was in, the stress he was under
10:33Coping? Isn't that the sign of someone who's psychologically healthy, Dr Sadiq?
10:38Not necessarily
10:40Very intelligent people, with good support systems
10:43They can be what you could call high-functioning patients
10:45They're coping, in fact, masks more deep-seated symptoms
10:49Could you tell us, Dr Sadiq, how a personality disorder might be displayed in a patient of this community?
10:54So this depends very much
10:56What did you think of me?
10:59The first time you saw me?
11:01Oh
11:03I thought
11:05I would
11:07Well, you did
11:09I did?
11:10Yeah
11:12Sorry, just that, seriously
11:15Like, I would
11:17No, I just thought
11:20You seemed to know what you were doing
11:24Well, not like that
11:26Well, yes, like that
11:31But you seemed
11:36Right
11:39Sound
11:41Sound
11:51In Mr Costley's case, he dissociates
11:54He detaches from real life and creates his own self-sustaining narrative
11:58Forgive me, Doctor, would you mind putting that in layperson's terms?
12:01Sorry
12:03Patients like Mr Costley, they make themselves a hero of their own story
12:07Almost like they're in a film or a book and they're watching themselves as the main character
12:12And to other people, this tendency to make up stories, could it make the sufferer seem merely a bit of a fantasist?
12:19It could look like that on the outside, yes
12:21But it would represent an abnormality of mental functioning, is that correct?
12:27That is correct
12:29What happens, Dr Sadiq, when someone suffering from this type of disorder is put in an unusually stressful situation?
12:36Well, if their sense of safety is challenged by the loss of their stable environment, they decompensate
12:42Decompensate
12:44Decompensate, what does that mean?
12:46Act oddly, if you like
12:48Disturb behaviour, violent or self-destructive tendencies
12:52Violent, you say?
12:54Yes, they might lash out, lose control completely
12:56And in an altercation such as we can assume took place between George Selway and Mark Costley
13:02Objection
13:03Miss Barnard
13:05My Lord
13:08To be clear, Dr Sadiq
13:10In a personality disordered individual such as the type you're describing
13:16Could an argument or a physical threat substantially impair their ability to keep a grip on what a reasonable response might be?
13:23I think so, yes
13:26Right, so their abnormality of mental functioning would, in this situation, affect their ability to exercise self-control?
13:36Yes, it would
13:38Returning to Mark Costley, during your examination of him, what conclusions did you draw?
13:44I was struck by his almost inappropriate ability to manage this very stressful situation he was in
13:49As though he'd find a different story to tell himself
13:53Added to the nature of the crime he's admitted to, his history of risky sexual encounters
13:59Even his attraction to the Secret Service
14:02In my opinion, Mark Costley fits the profile of someone with a high-functioning personality disorder
14:10Thank you
14:11No questions for the witness, my lord
14:17Dr Sadiq, this theory of yours about so-called high-functioning personality disorders
14:23Am I correct in saying it formed the basis of your PhD thesis at Kingston University?
14:28Yes, that's right
14:30So would it be fair to say it's your pet theory?
14:32It's certainly a theory I've done a great deal of work on
14:36It explains a lot, in my opinion
14:39Indeed, but isn't it the case that your theory is countered by the recognised diagnostic categorisation systems used in psychiatry?
14:48Well, I wouldn't say countered
14:50For instance, in the biannual study papers of mental disorders, volume 24, dated March 2013
14:56There is a specific refutation of your theory
15:01In an article by Dr Michael Sidora
15:04An expert in borderline personality disorders of some 22 years standing
15:09It's page 72, my lord, footnote 5
15:12See Sadiq Kingston
15:14High-functioning personality disorder and the disguise of pathological trait domains
15:20That is the name of your PhD thesis, Dr Sadiq
15:23Dr Sadiq
15:26Dr Sadiq
15:28Yes, that's right
15:32I find no clinical evidence that the so-called high-functioning individual
15:38Is able to disguise traits such as compulsivity or antagonism
15:43From family members or medical professionals
15:47They're missing the fundamental point of my thesis
15:49Which is that personality is not a binary concept, but a spectrum
15:52I discount entirely the existence of a high-functioning category
15:57Separate from the current definition of personality disorders
16:00There's a group of individuals, like Mr Costley
16:03Who have significant personality pathology
16:05Which may fall short of the current diagnosis of personality disorder
16:08Fall short?
16:09Indeed
16:10No further questions, my lord
16:26Mad or bad
16:29Right now, the jury thinks you're as sane as I am
16:32They think you're a murderer
16:35They think you're a murderer
16:36It's likely that I leave
16:37They think you're a murderer
16:39They think you're a murderer
16:41They think you're a murderer
16:43They think you're a murderer
16:45Yeah, okay, I'll come down.
17:15They were a bit worried because her waters had broken and nothing was happening, so they
17:22induced her and it was all fast and furious after that.
17:26You did tell Carrie that they wouldn't let me call the hospital.
17:30I'll give her all your love.
17:32Anne Sathnam, she knows you're thinking about her love.
17:36Oh, God.
17:38I really wish I could have been there.
17:40I know.
17:43Oh, bloody hell.
17:44Why?
17:45Come on now.
17:47Home straight.
17:49Just remember everything Robert's told you about making a good impression.
17:54Then we'll get home and see that baby, yeah?
18:00Yeah.
18:02When are they going to call him?
18:04I don't think they've decided yet.
18:05I'm keen on Gary Jr.
18:14Oh, and I want to be there tomorrow.
18:17When your question.
18:19We agreed.
18:20Yeah.
18:20It's important, though.
18:24I've been thinking, and I'm so sorry about all this shite over, Rosa.
18:31No more secrets.
18:34That's how all this happened in the first place.
18:36And I just wish you'd been able to trust me with it.
18:55Okay.
18:55What about me?
19:18What did you think the first time you saw me?
19:22You were just so...
19:23So comfortable.
19:26In your own world.
19:30In that committee room.
19:33Just owning it.
19:37I loved that.
19:38Can you give us some idea of the kind of work involved in appearing at a House of Commons select committee?
19:59Well, it doesn't really involve any extra work, apart from turning up.
20:04You're called to answer questions that cover your field.
20:07Your field being?
20:09The human genome and genetic engineering.
20:12And it was at the last of these occasions that you met Mark Costley.
20:16That's correct.
20:18Can you tell me your impressions of him?
20:20Um, he was pleasant.
20:24Uh, knowledgeable.
20:25I liked him.
20:27He gave me a guided tour of the Great Hall of Westminster.
20:32The Crypt Chapel.
20:34We met for coffee a few times.
20:36Did you meet purely as friends?
20:39Yes.
20:41His niece was considering a career in science and my own daughter's a scientist.
20:48So we talked about that and I gave him some advice.
20:51Dr. Carmichael, we now have to discuss the events that have led, indirectly, to you being here.
20:58In a position you never would have imagined yourself to be in.
21:01It didn't seem real.
21:15Although it was the most, most shocking thing that's ever happened to me.
21:37When it was over, he acted as if it was completely normal.
21:45And I got in a cab with him because I didn't know what else to do.
21:51Some people will find it hard to understand why you didn't even tell your husband about this horrific, vicious attack.
22:00I would have found it hard before it happened to me to understand, I mean.
22:10But it seems so clear.
22:11I didn't want what he did in my life, in my home.
22:24I didn't want to be sitting in my kitchen, having a meal with my husband, and wonder, two years later, five years later, whatever.
22:41Wonder if he was thinking about it, or for him to raise it, or talk about it, when I wasn't ready, I wasn't ready.
23:11George Selway treated me as a collection of holes, and at least, by not telling Gary, I had control over that one thing.
23:31What was your intention when you went to see Mark Costley to ask his advice about George Selway?
23:38I just wanted it to stop.
23:41E-mailing me, texting, following me.
23:47When George turned up near my house, I was just so frightened.
23:55To be clear, did you wish George Selway physical harm?
24:02No.
24:03Did you encourage or urge Mr. Mark Costley to kill George Selway?
24:08No.
24:08While you were waiting in the car, were you aware of what was taking place in George Selway's flat?
24:16I suggest, given the very obvious distress of the witness, we'll adjourn for a short break.
24:26Dr. Carmichael, I have no wish to distress you.
24:49But could I ask you a few more questions about the night you claim you were attacked by the victim in this case?
24:58Of course.
25:00Now, earlier on that day, the day of the party, you were working at home.
25:05Yes, that's right.
25:05And then you got into your party dress and took the tube into town.
25:10Is that correct?
25:11That's correct.
25:12Now, you've said you were at the party with Mr. Selway for some hours, drinking with him,
25:20before you went with him up to his secluded office on the fifth floor,
25:25an area of the building you knew would be empty at that time of night.
25:28He mentioned something about getting some papers from his office.
25:31Yes.
25:31Just to establish, when you were drinking and smoking with Mr. Selway,
25:36you were, for a time, seated together outside in a small courtyard in the middle of the building.
25:41Yes, I wasn't smoking.
25:44You were keeping him company, then.
25:48When you were seated together outside, can you recall placing your hand on Mr. Selway's knee?
25:55No, I can't.
25:56Can you recall him placing his hand on your knee?
25:58He may have done.
26:03Yes, I think he did.
26:05Just on my knee to steady himself.
26:11We were all laughing in a group.
26:15It wasn't just the two of us.
26:17I was a bit unsteady, and so was he.
26:21I put my hand on his knee just to steady myself.
26:24So you put your hand on his knee?
26:28Or he did on mine.
26:31He was filling up my glass.
26:34It could have been both.
26:36You were flirting, weren't you?
26:39No, I wouldn't say that.
26:41We were talking, joking, in a group of people.
26:44Well, let's not get into a detailed discussion on the definition of flirting, Dr. Carmichael.
26:49Did you or did you not tell George Selway you were promiscuous?
26:54No, absolutely not.
26:56And if anybody thinks they heard me say that, they're mistaken.
26:59Or drunk.
27:00There was a lot of drinking going on that night.
27:02Yes, I'm not talking about the party.
27:03Do you remember the occasion when you spent two days with George Selway, a month or so before he was killed?
27:08You're talking about when we interviewed for the Junior Research Fellowship.
27:11Of course I remember.
27:12Good.
27:12Then you might also remember telling George Selway in front of a room full of people you were promiscuous.
27:21No.
27:21Absolutely not.
27:24I said no such thing.
27:25Really?
27:26Did you or did you not describe yourself as really easy?
27:33That's ridiculous.
27:35Oh, so you do remember?
27:36I like to pretend I'm classy, but I'm really easy.
27:39I was talking about the coffee machine.
27:42He'd bought us some coffees.
27:43Well, I'm not asking you for the context of the comment, Dr. Carmichael.
27:45I'm sure you're bantering away with Mr. Selway on all manner of subjects.
27:48Just please answer the question.
27:50Really easy.
27:50Did you use that exact phrase?
27:52That is ludicrous.
27:53You can take anything out of context.
27:55Yes or no.
27:56You are trying to create a false impression of the kind of relationship that we had.
27:59Yes or no.
28:00Not in the way that you mean.
28:13This is why...
28:14This is why I didn't want to bring this to court in the first place.
28:20It's not the only reason, is it, Dr. Carmichael?
28:29Why didn't you report the alleged rape by George Selway?
28:41Often these cases are conducted as if the victim has committed a crime.
28:48And I felt that I'd been through enough.
28:50Well, this isn't a rape trial and you have been charged with a crime, the most serious crime there is.
28:54Now, forgive me, you said it was eight years you worked for the Beaufort Institute.
29:01Full-time, yes.
29:02And more recently, part-time.
29:05Of course.
29:06And during those eight years you commuted every day?
29:09Tube to St. James's and then a walk?
29:13Yes.
29:15Lunch hours, coffee breaks.
29:18Plenty of places to eat round there.
29:19My lord, really?
29:20Forgive me, my lord, I am getting there.
29:22Then do, please, Miss Bonnard.
29:26Dr. Carmichael, in your professional capacity, you have been working in or visiting the borough of Westminster for, what, around 12 years? Longer?
29:36Longer, probably.
29:37So, it's fair to say you are very familiar with the area.
29:42What with all the commuting and lunch hours, walking and so on?
29:45It...
29:46Yes.
29:51You know it intimately.
29:52This little corner of St. James.
29:58The highways and byways.
30:01Shops and cafes.
30:03The side streets.
30:09The back alleyways.
30:11The back alleyways.
30:24You're familiar, Dr. Carmichael.
30:27But with a small alleyway called Appletree Yard.
30:30Appletree Yard.
30:45Appletree Yard is the alleyway in the borough of Westminster.
30:49Where you had intercourse with your lover, Mark Costley.
30:55In a public street.
30:56Quite quickly, I imagine.
30:57During rush hour.
30:58Standing up in a doorway.
31:00Isn't that the case, Dr. Carmichael?
31:02It...
31:15It wasn't rush hour.
31:17Well, I apologize for any inaccuracy as to timings.
31:21But you will forgive me for doubting the absolute credibility of any account you are willing to give this court.
31:26You know, you are facing a charge of murder.
31:30Don't you think it's time you started telling the truth?
31:33You've lied, haven't you?
31:36You have lied to your husband.
31:38And you've lied to the police.
31:39And you have lied to this court.
31:41Well, haven't you?
31:52Yes.
31:57Beg your pardon?
32:01Yes.
32:10Did you ask my client to kill George Selway?
32:14No.
32:15Are you telling the truth?
32:16Yes.
32:17Did you tell him you were raped, Dr. Carmichael?
32:20I said yes.
32:21Yes, and were you raped?
32:22Yes.
32:23Is that the truth?
32:24Yes.
32:26Yes.
32:27Yes.
32:28Yes.
32:29Yes.
32:30Yes.
32:31Yes.
32:50As you went to the party that night,
32:53after you had had sex with my client,
32:56after you had had sex with my client,
33:05were you wearing underwear?
33:06Please, at least tell me that the sex was good.
33:20Please, at least tell me that the sex was good.
33:41Why?
33:44Why with someone like that?
33:46He didn't seem the way he sounds in court.
33:50He made me feel...
33:54Gary wants to talk to you so much.
33:59No, no, it would just finish me off.
34:03Think about it.
34:06Isn't it going to do more damage this way?
34:08Damage?
34:10Damage, Suze.
34:11The damage is done.
34:12You saw the jury's faces.
34:14I'm going to prison.
34:15You don't know that.
34:16Yes, I do.
34:16The trial isn't over yet.
34:18Yes, it is. It is. It is for me.
34:24You know, the one thing that Gary's always said that he couldn't bear is humiliation.
34:30If you were having this thing with Mark Costley, then surely your marriage was over anyway.
34:38Do you really think that it's that cut and dry?
34:42God, Suze, I'd expect that from Carrie, but you...
34:44I am trying to understand.
34:46You should know that a marriage is not what it seems from the outside.
34:50Well, Jay.
34:51Well, Jay is a bit different from Gary.
34:53Well, you've always held Gary up as some kind of shining star.
34:56Because he is a good man.
34:57Yes, he is.
35:07Yes, he is.
35:07When I started my degree, I was going to dedicate my life to science.
35:21And then my first week of the first term, there he was, so specific, there in the lab,
35:35being so bloody certain about everything, with his shirt tucked in, and his thousand-yard stare.
35:50It's 30 years, nearly.
35:55Don't you think that's worth fighting for?
35:57Long time.
36:18Long time.
36:20Ladies and gentlemen,
36:42the dramatic revelations of the last days
36:44have served only to strengthen the prosecution's case
36:47that it is beyond reasonable doubt
36:49that Mark Costley and Yvonne Carmichael
36:52are both guilty of the murder of George Selway.
36:55Whose idea was it to drive to Selway's flat that day?
37:00Yvonne Carmichael has admitted it was her idea.
37:04Tragically, Mr. Costley's already marked tendencies
37:07as a fantasist and his inability to tell the difference
37:11between reality and a story of his own invention
37:13found its flashpoint at that unbearable moment
37:17when he confronted the man he believed to have raped his lover.
37:22Yvonne Carmichael had suffered a brutal and degrading rape
37:27at the hands of George Selway,
37:29who then added to this quite devastating trauma
37:32by stalking her.
37:35She just wanted it to stop.
37:37There is no evidence that she wanted him dead.
37:40There's no evidence that she asked for it.
37:43Mark Costley was in his own world
37:45when he entered George Selway's flat
37:47on a mission of his own making.
37:51It comes down to this.
37:53Does having an affair with Mark Costley,
37:55keeping it secret,
37:57make Dr. Carmichael a murderer?
38:01Not,
38:02does it make her unsavory,
38:04inappropriate,
38:06your private judgment is your own concern.
38:10Does it make her
38:11a murderer?
38:22It's time.
38:37Courts aren't about the truth.
38:38They're about who tells the best story.
38:46You know all about that.
38:49You're the expert.
38:58You caught me so easily.
39:00but then,
39:03I think now,
39:05I was waiting to be caught.
39:06Madam Foreperson,
39:33has the jury reached verdicts
39:36upon which you are all agreed?
39:38Yes.
39:40Would the defendants please stand?
39:49Do you find the defendant, Mark Liam Costley,
39:53guilty or not guilty of the murder of George Selway?
39:57We find the defendant not guilty.
40:03Do you find the defendant, Yvonne Carmichael,
40:08guilty or not guilty of the murder of George Selway?
40:14Not guilty.
40:19Upon count two of this indictment,
40:21do you find the defendant, Mark Liam Costley,
40:25guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
40:27Do you find the defendant, Yvonne Carmichael,
40:39guilty or not guilty of manslaughter?
40:43We find the defendant
40:45not guilty.
40:52Not guilty.
40:54Not guilty.
41:45Congratulations.
42:57With good behaviour and the all clear from your psychiatrist, you'll be free in five
43:02years.
43:02They found me guilty of perjury.
43:10Suspended sentence.
43:12Sounds about right.
43:15Suspended.
43:18Hanging above me.
43:20A sword that could fall on my neck at any time.
43:23And of course, my good behaviour has to last a lifetime.
43:32When do you think Carrie will be ready to see me?
43:47I think that's best discussed between you and her, don't you?
43:54You can do no wrong in her eyes.
43:55You know that?
43:56Yeah, well, we're all on a learning curve, aren't we?
44:01Gary.
44:02Gary.
44:03Does she know about you and Rosa?
44:07Nothing to tell anymore, is there, so no point.
44:10Surely it's only fair that she knows something about what was going on with you and us.
44:16Well, you really want to go there, do you?
44:18Jesus Christ.
44:20Fairness.
44:21Transparency.
44:22There were so many opportunities to tell me.
44:23The rape.
44:24Him.
44:25I would have understood.
44:26I know you would.
44:27So why?
44:28Because you had to win, you had to be the best at everything, even marriage?
44:31Could you just not bear the thought of not having something to hold against me?
44:35For once.
44:36That we both might have fucked up.
44:37Even Stevens.
44:38Is that what you think?
44:39Yes, that's what I think.
44:40I think you think I've been the bad one.
44:42That's how it's worked.
45:08I'm sorry.
45:09I am.
45:10And I'll say it every day and for as long as it takes.
45:35Maybe I'll say it every night.
45:36Maybe.
45:41Let's go.
45:42I'll say it every night.
45:43I'll say it early.
45:44I'll say it early.
45:47I don't know.
46:17I gave her a cream to see me.
46:28If I had been in court and when I told my barrister about us, she just twisted everything.
46:47I'm so sorry.
46:49I think I understand.
46:54You panicked?
46:58Is that what happened with George?
47:03I know you didn't mean to kill him.
47:07I just wanted to teach him anything.
47:10For you.
47:12I wanted you to feel safe.
47:19I lied to you.
47:34I'm a brilliant geneticist.
47:35One of the country's leading scientists.
47:37I'm not.
47:39I haven't produced an original piece of work for years.
47:45I was never anybody important.
47:52You made me feel important.
47:55I don't know what you want me to say.
48:02I'm sorry.
48:04Mark?
48:06The feelings, they were real.
48:21Mine were, at least.
48:23And wanted.
48:24That's why I told her about us.
48:30Because how else would anyone know?
48:32How would they know?
48:36That it had been real.
48:50It was just everything else, wasn't it?
48:55If relationships are stories, there is no happy ending for hours.
49:15But life, as they say, goes on.
49:20...
49:41...
49:42...
49:43...
49:45Yvonne, what you said to me in the flat, the safe house,
50:14I never told them. I didn't.
50:29So what do you want?
50:34I want you to kill him.
50:40I want you to smash his fucking face in.
50:56People can see anything.
51:08You really can't tell the difference, can you?
51:15I want you to kill him.
51:24I want you to kill him.
51:30I want you to kill him.
51:37I want you to kill him.
51:46I want you to kill him.
51:52I want you to kill him.
51:59I want you to kill him.
52:01I want you to kill him.
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