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A day after threatening to slap a 25% tariff with penalties on India, now Donald Trump has said India and Russia could take down their dead economies.
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00:00Good evening, hello and welcome. You're with the news today, your prime time destination.
00:04News, newsmakers, talking points, all the big headlines this Thursday night on the news today as well as the newsmakers.
00:12Let's tell you what we are talking about tonight.
00:14Should the Narendra Modi government call out US President Donald Trump?
00:18Enough is enough. Has Trump damaged Indo-US ties or should India stay silent?
00:252008 Malegao blasts all acquitted including Sadhvi Pragya.
00:29Why are terror cases falling apart? Faulty criminal prosecution or politics of terror?
00:35We'll be speaking about that too. But first, as always, it's time for the 9 headlines at 9.
00:42A day after threatening to slap a 25% tariff with penalties on India, Donald Trump now goes on a tirade.
00:50Says India and Russia can take down their dead economies for all he cares.
00:55Government sources say not to worry on US tariffs.
01:01India's self-sufficient economy.
01:03Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal tells Parliament India's priority remains welfare of farmers, MSMEs and exporters.
01:10All Malegao blasts accused including Pragya Thakur and Lieutenant Colonel Prasad Purohit are acquitted by an NIA court.
01:25Maharashtra court slams the prosecution, says mere suspicion not enough.
01:29BJP says Hindu terror bogey has been finished.
01:38Election commission finalizes the electoral college for the vice presidential polls a week after Jagdeep Dhankar quit mid-term.
01:46Official notification for election to be issued soon.
01:49A big breakthrough in the Dharmastala mass burials probe.
01:56SIT exhumes skeletal remains from a sixth identified spot by a whistleblower.
02:01Forensics to examine the remains.
02:06After Prime Minister denies a meeting request, OP Panir Selvam exits the NDA ahead of polls.
02:13This move comes hours after a morning walk with M.K. Stallone.
02:20Left parties write to Home Minister Amit Shah on the arrest of two Kerala nuns in Chhattisgarh.
02:25Opposition calls the arrested targeted violence appeal for urgent intervention by centre after the accused claim.
02:33After the girls involved say they were coerced to blame the nuns.
02:38Air India-Delhi-London flight aborts take-off at Delhi airport due to a technical snag.
02:45Passengers de-boarded plane undergoing checks.
02:50And India get off to a wobbly start in a brain-disrupted first day of play in the crucial final test match against England at Oval.
02:58No Kuldi-Bhyadav once again.
03:00Karun Nayar makes a comeback.
03:01But to the story that we are breaking this evening on the news today.
03:16Government sources now telling India today that the government is not too worried about the U.S. tariff situation.
03:23A day after Donald Trump said he was imposing from the 1st of August 25% tariffs and penalties for engaging in oil trade with Russia.
03:35India is not going to retaliate to Donald Trump.
03:38Silence is the answer.
03:40Whatever we do, we will do on the negotiating table.
03:43Is what top government sources have told India today.
03:46When we did nuclear testing, so many sanctions were put on us.
03:49At that time we were a small economy.
03:51Today we are a self-sufficient economic power.
03:54Why should we worry now is what government sources are claiming.
03:59Karishma Asudhani from Business Today joins us.
04:01Karishma, the government seems to suggest don't worry.
04:05All under control.
04:07Are they actually under control?
04:09Are they worried what Donald Trump will do come tomorrow morning?
04:15Rajdeep actually looks like they're pretty much in control.
04:18They were anticipating this to come.
04:21They were strategizing in fact for a week on how they're going to take this forward.
04:26And strategically they've taken a wait and watch mode.
04:30They're taking a silence mode.
04:32We do not know what is happening behind the power corridors.
04:35But clearly India is not going to keep quiet on this.
04:38Especially if the United States of America is sending across the messages beyond tariffs.
04:44Which is targeting its relationship with Russia.
04:48Targeting its relationship with Iran.
04:50And the candid and unrequired flirtation that Donald Trump did mentioning the fact that we have to borrow oil from Pakistan may not be taken very well on a diplomatic note when it comes to such comments.
05:05So while the Indian government is re-strategizing their move, trying to focus on the negotiation table for the BTA, I'm sure it does not stop here.
05:14There is going to be something beyond this.
05:16But at the same time, Karishma, one notices a conspicuous silence beyond, of course, Piyush Goel's statement in parliament.
05:25But the government seems to have also decided that we will stay silent.
05:29That we do not want to respond no tit for tat.
05:32Am I correct?
05:32Definitely, Indian government is not looking at putting any kind of reciprocal tariffs.
05:40But I don't think we should undermine our silence as us not wanting to do anything, us not wanting to give an action.
05:49Sometimes silence is also a response.
05:51And it could be a calm before the storm.
05:54But in what way we have to wait and watch out.
05:56But I think we are also looking to see that besides the tariffs, especially on the non-tariffs part when it comes to the penalties on our import from Russia,
06:07what is the quantum of penalty that we are going to receive?
06:10We are in a wait in what situation?
06:11Because we want to take things in a calibrated and in a peaceful manner.
06:15So we want all the cards to be out before we roll out our cards.
06:19Okay, Karishpa Asudhani, explaining what India's strategy is based on her conversation with government sources.
06:27Thanks very much for joining us.
06:28Now, the fact is, like it or not, U.S. President Donald Trump is on a day-to-day basis now lashing out at India.
06:37First, he imposed 25% tariffs, which will kick in, he says, from 1st August,
06:42including penalties for India dealing in oil with the Russians.
06:47Now, as he's clubbed India and Russia together today, calling them both dead economies and he doesn't care what happens to the two economies.
06:57The Modi government has reacted, saying it will protect the interests of farmers and small enterprises.
07:02Rahul Gandhi has also stepped in, saying Donald Trump is right.
07:07India is a dead economy.
07:09That's angered the BJP, who says Rahul Gandhi's remarks are a sign of anti-national action.
07:16Take a look at the politics and the economics of how Donald Trump is weighing on India.
07:31After announcing 25% tariff and an unspecified penalty on India for trading with Russia,
07:39U.S. President Donald Trump has raised the temperature further.
07:42In a post on Truth Social, Trump said, and I quote,
07:47I don't care what India does with Russia.
07:50They can take their dead economies down together for all I care.
07:54We have done very little business with India.
07:57The tariffs are too high, among the highest in the world.
08:00Likewise, Russia and the U.S. do almost no business together.
08:04Let's keep it that way.
08:05And I unquote.
08:08However, his response to journalists on trade talks with India was more measured.
08:13Prime Minister Modi is a friend of mine, but they don't do very much business in terms of business with us.
08:19They sell a lot to us, but we don't buy from them.
08:22You know why?
08:23Because the tariff is so high.
08:24They have one of the highest tariffs in the world.
08:26In another social media post, Trump announced a deal with Pakistan,
08:31claiming the two countries will work together on developing massive oil reserves in that country.
08:37He added, and I quote, who knows, maybe they'll be selling oil to India someday, and I unquote.
08:44Trump's reference experts say is to Balochistan, where China already has investments.
08:49The Narendra Modi government responded to Trump's remarks, with Commerce Minister Piyush Goyal making a statement in Parliament.
08:56Leader of Opposition Rahul Gandhi hit out,
09:24claiming the government is set to give in to Trump's demands.
09:30Everybody knows that the Indian economy is a dead economy.
09:34I'm glad that President Trump has stated a fact.
09:38The government has destroyed our economic policy,
09:43has destroyed our defence policy,
09:47has destroyed our foreign policy.
09:49Congress MP Shashi Tharoor suggested the government should explore all its options.
10:07We are not a totally export-dependent economy like, say, China is.
10:13We have a good, strong domestic market also.
10:15I would like to say that we must give strong support to our negotiators
10:19to find the best deal possible.
10:22If a good deal is not possible, we may have to walk away.
10:25We'll have to see.
10:25Sources tell India Today, the government will do the talking on the negotiation table
10:31and won't react to Trump's comments.
10:34An American delegation is expected in India for trade talks in August.
10:38Trump's hostile remarks, however, have plunged
10:41Indo-U.S. ties into a new zone of uncertainty.
10:45Bureau Report, India Today.
10:46Okay, let's raise the big questions, as always, at the top of the news today.
10:53Should the Narendra Modi government be calling out Donald Trump?
10:56Has Donald Trump damaged Indo-U.S. ties with his remarks?
11:01Is Donald Trump simply trying to bully India into a favourable deal for the United States?
11:07What are India's realistic options?
11:09Joining me now, Meera Shankar, former Indian ambassador to the United States.
11:13Shankar Iyer, political economy analyst, joins us.
11:16Edward Luce is U.S. national editor and columnist at the Financial Times.
11:21He joins us from Washington.
11:22I want to come to you, Ed, first there in Washington.
11:25You've tracked India closely.
11:27You've written on India.
11:28You were a correspondent here as well.
11:31What makes Donald Trump makes these remarks calling India and Russia a dead economy,
11:37saying he doesn't care what happens to India?
11:39Is this just a bully trying to put India in a difficult spot while these trade negotiations are on?
11:46Well, that's certainly been his tactic, not just as president, but in negotiations as a businessman for many decades.
11:55He, you know, he stiffs contractors and he stiffs business associates.
12:01I mean, that's just his modus operandi.
12:04I think if you look at sort of the various bilateral trade deals, if we use the word deal, it's a big word for what are essentially truth social postings without any details to them.
12:19But whether you're looking at Japan, whether you're looking at Indonesia or countries that haven't done them, then the countries that haven't done them, like Mexico and Brazil, are the ones that are hanging tough.
12:32And Trump and Trump and Trump tends and China, of course, and Trump tends to tends to respect people who hang tough.
12:40And I think sort of perhaps uncharacteristically that the Modi government has not been that tough.
12:46It's been more in the sort of submission pose that we've seen recently from the UK and from the European Union and to some degree from Japan.
12:54And that doesn't necessarily buy you much with Trump, that he doesn't have deep, he calls Modi a friend.
13:02I don't think he has deep sort of personal loyalties to anybody.
13:06No, but what do you mean, Ed, when you say India must hang tough?
13:10We are seeing the Chinese look Trump in the eye, the Brazilians did.
13:14And there was a phrase, I think, that your newspaper used saying a taco, Trump always chickens out.
13:20What do you mean when you say India must hang in tough?
13:22What does toughness mean? Just simply look him in the eye and say and respond to him or stay silent?
13:30That's a good question. And there isn't a sort of ready answer because Trump is so capricious and unpredictable.
13:38And clearly, India doesn't have the kind of leverage that China has with its stranglehold on critical minerals and rare earths, etc.
13:45But I don't think a 25% tariff, if it doesn't apply to iPhones, and right now iPhones are excluded.
13:54Apple's products are excluded from Trump's tariffs.
13:57But if that 25% tariff on India excluded iPhones, India can weather this storm.
14:03It's chiefly, much more than China, a domestic demand-driven economy.
14:07So it can weather this storm.
14:10100% secondary tariffs on Indian oil imports from Russia, then you're starting to get more serious.
14:17And that becomes more geopolitical.
14:19But I'm sure you'll get into that another time.
14:21But Trump's been making geopolitical comments about India, which are very, very unexpected and quite surprising.
14:28Let me just take that to Meera Shankar.
14:31Meera Shankar, it's not just about tariffs anymore.
14:33It's about the manner in which Trump is now trying to almost link or fuse India and Russia
14:38and objecting to India trading in oil with Russians, buying Russian oil at a time of the war in Ukraine.
14:45So as Ed Lu said, it's no longer just about tariffs.
14:47He's also entering the realm of geopolitics, almost trying to sort of erode India's strategic autonomy.
14:53Surely on that, we should tell Trump where to draw a line or is it best to stay silent
14:58when you're dealing with someone like Donald Trump and do what you have to behind closed doors?
15:04I think it's best not to be very emotional in our response.
15:09I think you have to be hard-headed.
15:12There are situations where there are no good options.
15:16Then you have to pick the least worst option as far as your economic growth is concerned.
15:23As far as your place in the global economy is concerned and global geopolitics is concerned.
15:30Now, with Trump, you're seeing that it is his position on Ukraine which has shifted, on Russia which has shifted.
15:39He initially said he will have a peace deal or a ceasefire in 24 hours.
15:45Didn't happen.
15:46He's finding President Putin a harder nut to crack than he thought.
15:50And then that frustration at that is now finding its way to, you know, Russia's partners in terms of energy.
16:03Now, China is the biggest partner, though Trump calls India the biggest buyer.
16:07There are oil pipelines, gas pipelines going from Russia to China, which actually came into place after the U.S. started squeezing Russia on sanctions.
16:20Till then, China and Russia were never able to agree on the price of gas and so on.
16:26Now, at that time, they agreed very quickly.
16:30And so now China has replaced Europe as Russia's biggest energy partner.
16:36The same with regard to Iran.
16:38But what do we see?
16:40Trump has been unable to take on China in the way that he expected because China has leverage vis-a-vis the U.S.
16:49and has called it into play by putting restrictions on rare earths.
16:55So the fact is, though, are you saying that China has leverage where we don't?
17:00Is that an admission in a way that China has the kind of leverage with America that we don't?
17:06Yes, I would say that.
17:08And I think what U.S. is doing is to pick an easier target, which is large and visible, but really doesn't have the kind of leverage that either China or Japan or even the EU have.
17:25For instance, Japan is the largest holder of U.S. Treasuries, over a trillion.
17:30EU also holds a large number of U.S. Treasuries, U.K. being the second largest holder.
17:35Where does that leave our whole the bonhomie, the hugs, the handshakes, the namaste, Trump, the howdy, Modi and all the bonhomie and the so-called chemistry that existed between Mr. Modi and Trump?
17:52I think President Trump really doesn't have chemistry with anyone.
17:56I don't think he has friends.
17:58He has a transactional approach and, you know, is using the power of the U.S. to basically push a world in which the powerful do whatever they want and the weak endure what they must.
18:17So, it's a world...
18:18Let me just take that to Shankar Iyer.
18:21Shankar Iyer, look at how India sees itself.
18:24India's self-image now is that we're going to become the third largest economy in the world.
18:29We are the fastest growing economy in large markets.
18:34We can face up to Trump.
18:36At least that's how the Modi government has pushed the narrative within the country.
18:40But many others believe India just doesn't have the leverage with the United States that, say, China does.
18:46Where is the truth?
18:47Is the truth somewhere in between that Trump also needs India as a major market?
18:55First of all, let me start by saying that Trump's true social post is an expression of his frustration at India's stance on the trade negotiations.
19:06It's always been in the first term, people were wondering whether to take Trump seriously or literally.
19:13In this second term, you have to wonder when you have to take him literally and when you have to take him seriously.
19:20In the specific instance of the zero, whatever he called India, I mean, he's not qualified to make any...
19:28I mean, he can't... he's not qualified to comment on the U.S. economy.
19:32So, I'll leave it to what he said about the Indian economy.
19:35But the point is that when we talk about how he deals with his allies and his foes or, you know, others,
19:46there is the element of coercion, the element of the bullying that you see in schools.
19:53So, India has to stand up.
19:55Now, the question is, why is he not able to do anything to China?
19:59Because China has strategized its economy, it has grown its economy, it has opened its economy, it has been competitive, it has been smarter about its growth.
20:10Whereas in India, all the reforms that we have done is in 1991, which was a low-hanging fruit of the licensed Raj dismantling.
20:18So, if India wants to go down the path of sovereign autonomy, strategic autonomy, it has to fix all the issues in its domestic economy.
20:29It is all very fine to say that we are a large domestic economy.
20:33You are only $3 trillion.
20:35So, I mean, there are companies in the U.S. stock market which are more than that.
20:39California's GDP is more than that.
20:41We have to stop getting high on our own supply, as it's said in Hollywood.
20:47We have to figure out how we are going to...
20:50So, Rajiv, all powerful people and powerful countries are also dependent.
20:56You have to structure your economy, your strategy, to create dependencies.
21:02In the post-Pokran sanctions, we had leveraged India's reach into the software sector as an element of our geopolitical and diplomatic reach.
21:16Are we doing that?
21:17We don't know.
21:18I mean, you know, there is an element here that we need to examine as to what our...
21:25Can I just stop you there?
21:28What are our strengths?
21:28Just to put this graphic up, Shankar, and then respond to that.
21:31Top 10 GDP nations projected growth for 2025.
21:35United States is at 1.8%.
21:37China, 4.4%.
21:39Germany, 0.1%.
21:40India, 6.2%.
21:41Japan, 0.6%.
21:43UK, 1.1%.
21:45France, 0.6%.
21:46Italy, 0.4%.
21:47Canada, 1.4%.
21:48Brazil, 2%.
21:50This is IMF's world economic outlook.
21:52Of course, remember the size of the economy also does matter.
21:55Now, we could claim we have a...
21:57We are going to become the third largest economy.
22:00Are you saying that is something that Trump will simply disregard?
22:03Or Trump simply, as you said at the outset, is frustrated with the manner in which India is refusing to open up certain key sectors?
22:12Well, he's frustrated that he is not getting what he wants.
22:15What does the U.S. want?
22:16The U.S. wants that its regulations, its clearances, the steps that its regulators have taken in the U.S. should be applicable in India in total, thereby bypassing our sovereign right to filter regulatory clearances.
22:31What does Trump want in the agricultural sector is to export soya and corns, which are GM-modified crops, into India, which we cannot allow.
22:41What Trump wants to export?
22:43Dairy products.
22:44There is an issue about what the cattle is fed in the U.S.
22:47and there are cultural questions around that.
22:50So, these are things that are issues.
22:52I mean, yes, we are growing at 6%, but your economy is just, I mean, 3 trillion.
22:57I mean, where is 3 trillion?
22:584 trillion.
22:59So, you have to be realistic about where you stand on the global stage.
23:05Yes, we are growing in the hierarchy of economies, but that is also partly because we are 1.5 billion people.
23:13So, there is going to be there.
23:14This is the potential that we have to leverage, that we are going to be a large economy.
23:19We are going to do this.
23:21We will be higher up on the per capita income.
23:23We can buy your products.
23:24This is the conversation that needs to happen.
23:27But for all that to happen, the states have to reform.
23:30Look at the labor code.
23:32That's another bigger debate of what we need to do to get our economy back on track.
23:38I know you've been writing on that, Shankar, but I want to come to you, Ed Luth.
23:40So, just before that, I just want to play what Donald Trump has been saying on Narendra Modi.
23:45And I want an explanation from you in Washington from your vantage point to try and explain to audiences, is this a Jekyll and Hyde character?
23:52Donald Trump on Prime Minister Modi not too long ago.
23:55Listen in.
23:57Modi, you're fantastic.
23:59I mean, fantastic man.
24:01A lot of these leaders are fantastic.
24:03You have to understand one thing.
24:05They're dealing.
24:06They're 100%.
24:08These people are the sharpest people.
24:11They're not a little bit backward.
24:13They are at the top.
24:15You know the expression?
24:16They're at the top of their game.
24:17Hello, Houston.
24:19I am so thrilled to be here in the great state of Texas with one of America's greatest, most devoted, and most loyal friends, Prime Minister Modi of India.
24:35And Prime Minister Modi is doing a truly exceptional job for India and for all of the Indian people.
24:42It is my immense privilege to be here with him today at this profoundly historic event.
24:51We in India have connected well with President Trump.
25:00The words, the words of candidate Trump,
25:05You know, Ed Luce, there are those in this country who tell me that the way to Trump's heart is to simply pander to his ego.
25:23The Prime Minister seemed to do that.
25:24Up ki baar, Trump, Sarkar.
25:26Do you believe that was a miscalculation?
25:28That's not the way to deal with Donald Trump.
25:30You've just got to deal with a transactional president like a businessman would.
25:36Yes, the latter.
25:38I mean, I don't think we've got any sort of equivalent footage of Xi Jinping and Trump saying those things about each other,
25:45although Trump does admire and has openly expressed envy for Xi Jinping's president for life designation.
25:54But flattery gets you places with Trump, but not for very long.
25:58So, you know, to put it slightly pompously, it's a sort of necessary but not sufficient condition to buy his longer term loyalty.
26:06And I think he sees India and sees Modi's government as not giving him very much and that there is this potential huge market there to which, to be fair,
26:16you know, there is quite restricted access relative to, you know, most other large economies in the world.
26:23India is relatively protectionist.
26:26The bigger question here to me is, in successive American administrations, really since Clinton,
26:32through Bush Jr., particularly after 9-11, through Obama, through Trump's first term, through Biden,
26:39until now have said, look, we, India's success is our success.
26:44We want you to succeed because you are a counterbalance to China.
26:49And democratic administrations will then go further and say, because you share our values, et cetera, about democracy.
26:57But essentially, this has been a geopolitical stance of successive American administrations to show forbearance towards India's relatively protectionist economy.
27:08That's over.
27:09There's no more geopolitics here.
27:11There is no more sort of implicit subsidy to India's success.
27:20Trump's transactional.
27:21He wants business deals.
27:23He wants money.
27:23He doesn't like to see American trade deficits as a 40 billion or so dollar trade deficit that the U.S. has with India.
27:31And I don't think any amount of geopolitical lectures by the China hawks in his administration will change his mind, his instinctively transactional mind that he wants to see the goods.
27:46He wants to see the money.
27:48He wants to see the money.
27:49Given that, Meera Shankar, have we got the flattery bit wrong?
27:53Time to move out of the flattery.
27:55For much too long, we've pandered to Trump's ego.
27:57So, is that something that our diplomats also need to re-look at and maybe pivot?
28:05I would imagine that recently, actually, we have needled him, perhaps a little unnecessarily, on the whole claim of Trump to have mediated a ceasefire between India and Pakistan.
28:18We've been quite explicit in saying that this was not the case.
28:23There was no call with Trump between Trump and Modi and so on.
28:27It's really an irritant.
28:29It's not something very material.
28:32And we could have handled it by saying, yeah, they played a helpful role in persuading Pakistan to see reason.
28:38You know, it's an easy way to handle it without needling.
28:42But overall, I would say that in dealing with the US, just as in dealing with any other country, you have to be respectful of your own concerns, also sensitive to their concerns.
28:54But, you know, deal with them as equals to the extent that we can.
29:02Deal with them as equals to the extent that we can.
29:05And so let's circle back to you, Shankar, as we end this segment by just understanding, if you were in the shoes of a Piyush Goyal, for example, what would you do today?
29:17At the moment, he says to Parliament, look, we are going to protect India's interests.
29:21That's, you know, that's the obvious statement to make.
29:24What more can Piyush Goyal do or his team of negotiators do now, given the fact that they are also working, it seems, to some kind of a deadline?
29:34Well, I think there is another round of conversation that's happening between the US and India.
29:39And I'm sure that this conversation was sort of expected.
29:45They probably expected some sort of dividend from the personality chemistry that was there.
29:55But Trump is not wedded to any particular ideology.
29:59He is friends with only one person, and that is Donald J. Trump.
30:02So, I mean, the question of those personality issues doesn't arise here.
30:07I think they have some options on the table.
30:10And it depends on how, I mean, you know, opening up the ag market or the dairy market.
30:15These are issues that have deep significance in how we manage our economy.
30:21I mean, you know, so we like to probably take it on the chin and walk along and try to get to the point.
30:28Our best sort of punt would be to just wait it out because the US economy is already showing the price that it will have to pay if this stretches for a longer time.
30:43So, if our negotiations sort of stretch into September, we might have a deal at the end of it.
30:50The bilateral trade deal would be.
30:52At the same time, India should sort of, again, I repeat this, stop being getting high on its own supply.
30:58You're not as good as you think you are.
31:00You have to do much more to be an open economy, to be respected by the world.
31:05Okay. Point taken. Point taken from all three of you.
31:09Nice to get some clarity from three fine minds there.
31:12I appreciate all of you joining me.
31:14And dealing with Donald Trump is going to be a full-time occupation for all of us, particularly in the world of journalism in 2025.
31:22Who knows what tomorrow's Truth social media post will say.
31:26Thank you all very much for joining me here on the show tonight.
31:29Maybe Trump will do another U-turn and say he loves Modi and loves India.
31:33Well, let's turn to our other big story.
31:3517 years after a blast outside a mosque in Malegaon killed six people,
31:40an NIA court has acquitted all the accused in the case.
31:44Among the accused was Saadi Pragya, who went on, remember, to become a BJP MP,
31:49and Lieutenant-Colonel Shrikan Purohit.
31:52Why did the case fall apart?
31:54That's the big question we want to raise.
31:56Did no one blast Malegaon?
31:58Here is a report.
32:03A blast that ripped through Malegaon town in Nashik in 2008.
32:15The blast spot was not very far from a local mosque.
32:20Six lives were snuffed out and hundreds were injured.
32:23Seven key accused, Pragya Thakur, and Lieutenant-Colonel Prasad Purohit,
32:31Major Ramesh Upadhyay, Sudhakar Chaturvedi,
32:35Samir Kulkarni, Ajay Rahirkar, Sudhakar Divedi,
32:40was slapped with serious charges of terrorism and murder.
32:44The case was portrayed as an example of saffron terror
32:48under the then-Congress-led UPA government.
32:53Now, after 17 years of legal twists and turns,
32:57an NIA court has acquitted all the seven accused.
33:01The court pointed to failure of probe agencies
33:04in proving that Colonel Purohit brought the RDX used in the attack
33:09or assembled the bomb.
33:10The court also noted that there was no concrete evidence
33:15that the vehicle used for the blast belonged to Pragya Singh Thakur.
33:20The court said that terror has no religion
33:22and strong narratives were never backed by proof.
33:27All the acquitted accused hailed the verdict.
33:30Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur, a former BJP MP, broke down in court
33:35citing plot to malign Hinduism.
33:39Purohit called himself a brave soldier
33:41and a true patriot who was wronged by the powerful political class.
33:46I am extremely grateful to the country
33:48and all those who stood by me and by us.
33:51I am grateful to the judiciary.
33:54All my friends, my colleagues,
33:56especially the armed forces, my army,
34:02the way they stood by me,
34:04I have no words to express my gratitude towards all of them.
34:07Malais are over, should not be there.
34:10Let's be forward-looking.
34:11However, families of the victims
34:33are not satisfied with the verdict
34:35and are seeking justice in high court.
34:37The two prime accused in the case
34:53were Sandeep Dange and Ram Kalsangra
34:55who allegedly planted the bombs.
34:58But Dange and Kalsangra are still absconding.
35:01If they are ever arrested,
35:02they will still have to face trial.
35:05With Mustafa Sheikh, Daviesh Singh
35:08and with their Bureau Report, India Today.
35:13Okay, let's then raise once again the big questions.
35:17All acquitted in the Malegao blast.
35:18Did no one blast Malegao?
35:20Six dead, 100 injured, no one guilty.
35:22Last week, it was the 7-11 Mumbai train blast.
35:25Now Malegao.
35:26Why are terror cases falling apart?
35:29That's the real question to ask.
35:30Yasuo Varda Nazar, former IPS officer, joins me.
35:34Sanjay Hegde, senior advocate at the Supreme Court, joins me.
35:37And Ranjit Sangle, accused Sudhakar Thardvivedi's lawyer, joins me.
35:43Viral Babbar, an accused for Colonel Purohit's lawyer,
35:46is someone I spoke to earlier.
35:48And I just want to play the one question I asked Viral Babbar
35:52because he was appearing for Colonel Purohit,
35:54one of the lawyers for Colonel Purohit.
35:56Viral, the court today said that
35:58mere suspicion is not enough to convict anyone.
36:01You need in a criminal case to prove beyond reasonable doubt
36:05that they were involved in the crime.
36:07How do you see the court judgment?
36:08Is it a complete exoneration really?
36:11Or was it that there was simply not enough evidence in the end?
36:14And that's why your client was let off.
36:19One thing regarding the judgments,
36:21we currently don't, anybody don't have the copy of the judgment.
36:24So we don't know what are the observations made by the court
36:27and the judgment in particularly that sense.
36:30But I can strongly say two, three things
36:32is that even if, as in as the earlier you said,
36:37that as the criminal trial prolonged,
36:39all these things certainly don't stand off.
36:41But even if this would have taken it much earlier
36:44in the initial years of trial also,
36:46the fate would have been the same.
36:48Why?
36:48Because the investigation done by the,
36:51both the agency was motivated on wrong purposes
36:55and it was a biased investigation carried out.
36:57Not just that, certain statements of star witnesses
37:03were taken at behest of torturing them
37:06and when this witness, star witnesses
37:10on whom the prosecution relied the most
37:12completely failed.
37:14In fact, they informed the court
37:16how they were tortured, illegally detained
37:19and that is how statements were recorded from them.
37:23Okay, let's widen this then
37:25to the role of the prosecution in these cases.
37:27Police in particular, I want to first focus on.
37:30And Yashu Vardhan Azad, why don't you dive into that?
37:33Because the fact is, whether it was Mumbai last week
37:36where the police was seen,
37:38role was seen to be incompetent in the manner
37:40in which they handled procedures,
37:41to today, where suddenly there are serious questions
37:44that many are asking also about the way
37:47that the NIA handled the case,
37:49especially post-2015 once there was a new government in power.
37:53Are our top investigating agencies driven by politics?
37:57You hear lawyers calling it a biased investigation
38:00in the first instance while the UPA was in power
38:03and then a deliberate botch-up
38:05when the NDA came to power.
38:07Where does the truth lie?
38:08The truth lies in the fact that if you put the investigative agencies
38:14away from the clutches of the politicians,
38:17you will never have any problem
38:19and you will never doubt their credibility,
38:22especially in cases like terror,
38:24especially in cases which relate to any kind of a politician
38:28or any political activity.
38:30I am absolutely horrified by both these judgments
38:33for the simple reason in this particular case,
38:37there were so many twists and turns
38:39that I can imagine why NIA or any agencies in the world
38:45cannot give you any kind of a result.
38:48It is quite obvious that in 2016 itself,
38:51the whole investigation had turned on its head.
38:55But it turned when the government turned, Mr. Yazad.
38:58So are you telling me that the police will tailor an investigation
39:01depending on who is in power?
39:03That when the UPA was in power,
39:05they went in a particular direction,
39:07NDA comes to power,
39:08they go in a completely different direction.
39:11That's exactly the whole problem, Rajdeep.
39:13And that's exactly what I was trying to convince you
39:16and convince your viewers
39:17that today the NIA,
39:21it went one way during a particular year
39:24because the ATS which was investigating
39:26went in a different direction from the earlier,
39:29which was Hemant Karkare.
39:31And after that,
39:32the NIA did not even want to oppose
39:35the bail plea of Pragya Sajvi
39:37and wanted in a supplementary charge sheet
39:40to take her name away.
39:42And in fact,
39:43it was the court which insisted
39:44and that's how the name was still there.
39:46Ask Sanjay Hegde.
39:47He will tell you the details.
39:49Let me take that to Sanjay Hegde.
39:52Sanjay Hegde,
39:52is this therefore a miscarriage of justice?
39:55You've got those who are today
39:58adherents of the government of the day
40:00saying,
40:01look,
40:01the Hindu terror bogey
40:03has been punctured
40:04of the Congress government.
40:05On the other hand,
40:06you've got those who've said
40:07the moment the BJP has come into power,
40:09all the right-wing Hindu groups
40:10are being let off.
40:13Listen,
40:13let's just take the...
40:14What does it say about our...
40:14What does it say about our criminal prosecution?
40:18No,
40:18both our systems of prosecution
40:20as well as our systems
40:21of bringing people to justice
40:23are failing.
40:26To put it mildly,
40:29prosecutors are often led
40:31by the politicians of the day,
40:34you go and investigate
40:35this particular direction
40:37or go and investigate
40:38the other particular direction.
40:40Thereafter,
40:42they file a charge sheet
40:43and leave it to the courts.
40:46By the time
40:47the court process is over,
40:48you have a decade or two
40:49passing by.
40:51Delay is part
40:52of the defense tactics.
40:54And
40:54then ultimately,
40:56the court comes to the conclusion
40:57that no,
40:58there is not enough evidence
40:59to convict.
41:01This is not the only case,
41:02nor was 26-11
41:03the other case.
41:05Please look at
41:06what happened
41:07in the 2G case,
41:08a civil case,
41:09where the judge says,
41:11I sat in my court
41:12day after day
41:13waiting for evidence.
41:14The evidence never came.
41:16Please look at
41:17the Babri Masjid
41:19demolition case,
41:20which dragged on
41:21for 30 years
41:21and ended
41:22in an acquittal
41:23for everyone.
41:24Our system
41:26seems to revel
41:27in dragging in
41:29as many people
41:30as possible,
41:31filing a catch-all
41:32charge sheet,
41:33and then flying blind
41:35by the seat of your pants
41:36in court
41:37for a very extended trial.
41:39This is where
41:40the problem lies.
41:42But this case
41:42goes well beyond
41:43that, Ranjit Sangle,
41:45because you will recall
41:46Rohini Salian,
41:47she was the prosecutor
41:48for the NIA
41:50in this case,
41:51and she claimed
41:52that she was being asked
41:53to go soft
41:54on the accused,
41:55including weaken
41:56the case against
41:57Pragya Thakur.
41:58This was after
41:59the NDA came to power,
42:01and then you had
42:02a complete new team
42:04which was prosecuting
42:05the case.
42:06Did your client
42:08get off
42:08simply because
42:09governments changed
42:10or because there
42:11was no evidence
42:11because now I am
42:12asking,
42:13did no one blast
42:14Malegaon?
42:15Did no one
42:16do these blasts?
42:21No, no.
42:21Ranjit Ji.
42:22Rajdeep, that is
42:23not correct.
42:25What,
42:26can you hear me?
42:27Yes, I can.
42:28Rajdeep, can you hear me?
42:29Yes, I can.
42:30Please go ahead.
42:31Yes.
42:31So, when Rohini Saliyan
42:33made that allegation,
42:35it might have been
42:36investigated
42:37in a different manner.
42:38We don't know
42:39what happened
42:40to that allegation.
42:41But the fact remains this.
42:42When you ask a question,
42:44whether nobody
42:44blasted Malegaon,
42:45you are absolutely
42:46correct in asking
42:47that question.
42:48But the thing is this.
42:49Let us not assume
42:50that the people
42:51who have been acquitted
42:52must have committed it,
42:54yet due to lack
42:55of evidence,
42:55they are getting
42:56scot-free.
42:56No, that is not the case.
42:58For a sake of argument,
42:59let us assume,
43:00and we did this.
43:01Somebody really wise
43:02once said on camera
43:04and I shared the screen,
43:06same screen,
43:07that the job of the defense
43:08is to pin holes
43:10of the size
43:10of the lunar crater,
43:12right,
43:12in the case of the prosecution
43:14and you know
43:14who said that,
43:16right.
43:16Whilst that,
43:17we did just our job
43:18and understand this,
43:20that the bike
43:21that was planted there,
43:23right,
43:24was the case
43:25of the prosecution,
43:26was the RDX
43:27was kept inside the tank
43:29and that the bike
43:30blasted.
43:31The tank was intact,
43:32the fuel on the oil
43:34was on the ground
43:35and it was burnt.
43:36So, the case of the prosecution
43:37that the bike blasted
43:39is absolutely ridiculous.
43:41Okay.
43:42In fact,
43:42Judge Lahoti Sahib
43:43came to a conclusion
43:45that the probability
43:46of the blast
43:47having occurred
43:47outside the blast
43:49at a place
43:50which is surrounding
43:50the bike
43:52is much more
43:53in probability
43:54than the bike
43:55having blasted itself.
43:56Now,
43:57that is not
43:58a lacuna
43:59in the case
43:59of the investigation.
44:01It is a gross
44:02negligence
44:02and lacuna
44:03and the benefit
44:04of that
44:05has to go
44:06to the accused
44:06and if the law
44:07is taking its course,
44:08why to blame
44:09the accused
44:10when the prosecution
44:10I am not blaming
44:12you as a lawyer,
44:13sir,
44:13you have every right,
44:15Mr. Sangle,
44:16you have every right
44:17to puncture holes
44:18in the case
44:19that has been made out
44:20by the prosecution.
44:21I only wonder
44:22that what kind
44:23of a legal system
44:24do we work in
44:25that the case
44:26moves from one,
44:27from putting the accused
44:30in jail
44:30under UAPA
44:31to now today
44:32saying even UAPA
44:33charges
44:34are not made out
44:35and suddenly
44:35every proof
44:37whether who planted
44:38the bike bomb,
44:39who brought in
44:40the RDX,
44:41all of that
44:42is now being
44:42discounted completely
44:44and then
44:44completely
44:44so as I said
44:46no one blasted Malagao.
44:48I will give you
44:49one more example.
44:50Yeah,
44:50yeah,
44:50okay,
44:51yeah,
44:51go ahead,
44:51go ahead,
44:52go ahead,
44:52Mr. Sangle.
44:54Okay,
44:55if you know
44:56the MCOCA
44:57invocation
44:57in this matter
44:58was done
44:59after registration
45:00of the case
45:01of the Malagao
45:01bomb blast,
45:02thereafter
45:02within 24 hours
45:04the Mumbai ATS
45:06gives instructions
45:06to Jalna,
45:08Jalgao
45:08and Parbhani ATS
45:09officers,
45:10gets Rakesh
45:10Dawde's name
45:11added in the
45:12FIRs there,
45:13gets charge sheet
45:14filed within 24 hours
45:16from addition
45:18of that name
45:19without any
45:19investigation
45:20whatsoever,
45:21simplicitly
45:22those charge sheets
45:22are filed,
45:23the legal requirement
45:24for invocation
45:25of MCOCA
45:26is complied there
45:28and MCOCA
45:29is invoked
45:29in this matter.
45:30I mean,
45:30that is also
45:31ridiculous.
45:32Yeah,
45:32MCOCA is
45:33of course
45:33which is
45:35very fair
45:36here.
45:37Okay.
45:38Correct.
45:38Yashowardhan
45:39Azad
45:40at the end
45:40of the day
45:41all of these
45:41points to policing.
45:43All of these
45:44points,
45:44I take your
45:45point,
45:45all of these
45:45points to policing.
45:46If we had
45:47a truly
45:47independent
45:48police force,
45:49investigating
45:49force like
45:50the FBI,
45:51we could
45:53then nail
45:53people.
45:54In India
45:55today,
45:55we are simply
45:56playing politics
45:56with the lives.
45:57Think about
45:57the victims
45:58of Malagao
45:59or the victims
45:59of Mumbai.
46:00What will
46:00they be feeling
46:01today?
46:01Absolutely.
46:02Unless the
46:03lawmakers
46:03think about
46:04it,
46:04there is not
46:05going to be
46:05any relief.
46:06For example,
46:07in your
46:08criminal justice
46:09system,
46:10the three
46:10pillars are
46:11totally influenced
46:11by politics.
46:13The first
46:13is the
46:13police,
46:14second is
46:14the prosecution,
46:16and third
46:16is the
46:16prisons.
46:17In this
46:18particular case,
46:19there have
46:19been so many
46:20twists and
46:20turns.
46:21And let me
46:21tell you,
46:22in 2011 or
46:2312,
46:24when the case
46:24was being
46:25investigated by
46:26the NIA,
46:27you had some
46:27of the most
46:28brilliant officers
46:29I can vouch
46:30for them,
46:31called Sanjeev,
46:33Sanjeev Kumar
46:33Singh.
46:34I can't believe
46:35that a person
46:36like Sanjeev
46:37would be doing
46:39such a shoddy
46:40investigation,
46:41or ATS chief
46:42Hemant Karkare
46:43would be
46:43responsible for
46:44such shoddy
46:45investigation.
46:46Obviously,
46:47things have
46:47happened after
46:482016.
46:49And as you
46:50yourself pointed
46:51out what
46:51Salian said.
46:52So if the
46:53investing aid
46:54agencies and
46:55the prosecutions
46:56play pines to
46:58the political
46:59leadership,
47:00whether in
47:00this one or
47:01whether it's
47:01the other
47:02one,
47:02we will have
47:03the same
47:03result again
47:05and again,
47:05whether it's
47:06Mumbai train
47:06case or
47:07whether it's
47:08the Malik
47:08downblast
47:09case.
47:09Should we
47:10also then,
47:10Sanjay
47:11Hegde,
47:11look at
47:11lower courts
47:12and the
47:13way they
47:13operate?
47:14Particularly,
47:14are they
47:15more susceptible
47:16to political
47:17pressure?
47:18Honest
47:18answer.
47:20No.
47:21They are not
47:21susceptible to
47:22political pressure
47:23per se.
47:25But they
47:26have the
47:27biggest burden
47:28and they
47:29can't make
47:30up for
47:31any flaws
47:32in the
47:33prosecution
47:33evidence.
47:34At least
47:34theoretically,
47:34they're not
47:35supposed to.
47:36They do
47:36their best
47:37to help
47:37the prosecution.
47:38They may
47:39be prosecution
47:40minded and
47:41say that
47:41let things get
47:42sorted out at
47:43the higher
47:43court.
47:44But I
47:45don't think
47:45that a
47:46trial court
47:47judge is
47:48any more
47:49susceptible to
47:49politics than
47:50any other
47:51judge in this
47:51country.
47:53However,
47:53this case
47:54reminds me,
47:54just one minute,
47:55this case
47:56reminds me of
47:56that famous
47:57aphorism.
47:59Much suspected
48:00of me,
48:01nothing proven
48:02can be.
48:03That was
48:04Elizabeth the
48:04Great who
48:05said it in
48:05the 1600s.
48:07Say it
48:07again.
48:07Much suspected
48:08of me,
48:09nothing proven
48:10can be.
48:12Okay,
48:13let's leave
48:13it at that.
48:14I think
48:15what this
48:15case shows
48:16is the
48:16deep flaws
48:17that exist
48:18in our
48:18criminal
48:18prosecution
48:19system and
48:20the politics
48:21that has
48:21unfortunately
48:22now polluted
48:24the way
48:25high profile
48:26cases take
48:28place.
48:28How long
48:28are we going
48:29to carry on
48:30in this manner
48:31where even
48:31major high
48:32profile blast
48:33cases end up
48:34saying no
48:35one is guilty.
48:36It's one thing
48:37to say,
48:37tragically,
48:38no one killed
48:38Jessica.
48:39Now we are
48:40saying no
48:41one committed
48:41bomb blast.
48:42Thank you
48:43very much
48:43to all my
48:44guests for
48:45joining me
48:45on the show
48:46today.
48:46As you can
48:47see,
48:47we've stayed
48:47away from
48:48the politicians
48:49on the show
48:50because the
48:51politicians are
48:52part of the
48:53problem,
48:53not the
48:54solution.
48:55Let's
48:55to another
48:57of our top
48:57stories in
48:58news just
48:58coming in.
48:59The government
49:00of India has
49:01reportedly assured
49:02a delegation
49:03of left
49:04party MPs
49:05that they will
49:06not oppose
49:07the bail of
49:08two Kerala
49:09nuns who
49:10were arrested
49:10in Chhattisgarh.
49:12It's an
49:12incident that
49:12has triggered
49:13a major
49:14political storm.
49:16Protests are
49:16raging in
49:17Kerala in
49:17particular and
49:18a tribal girl
49:19at the center
49:20of the case
49:20has now made
49:21explosive
49:22allegations
49:22against the
49:23Bajrang Dal
49:24workers.
49:25Sumi Patel
49:26gets you the
49:27full story
49:27from Chhattisgarh.
49:28The arrest of
49:32two nuns in
49:33Chhattisgarh has
49:34snowballed into
49:34a political
49:35firestorm that
49:36has shaken up
49:37Kerala politics
49:38and left the
49:39BGP sharply
49:40divided.
49:41The nuns,
49:42Preeti Mary
49:43and Vandana
49:43Francis,
49:44arrested on
49:45July 25th,
49:46remain in
49:47jail after two
49:48lower courts
49:48refused to
49:49hear the bail
49:50pleas, citing
49:51the charges of
49:52human trafficking,
49:53asking them to
49:54move an NIA
49:54court.
49:55While the
49:56Chhattisgarh
49:56government headed
49:57by the BGP
49:58had opposed
49:59bail to the
49:59nuns, the
50:00Kerala unit of
50:01the BGP is
50:02backing the
50:02case.
50:04The Kerala
50:05BGP unit has
50:05taken more
50:06nuanced stance
50:07amid growing
50:08pressure from
50:09the Christian
50:09community and
50:10the civil society
50:11there.
50:12Raji Chandra
50:12Shekhar, who
50:13happens to be
50:13the Kerala
50:14BGP unit
50:14president, has
50:15made it clear
50:16that Congress
50:17and the left
50:18is trying to
50:18exploit the
50:19whole situation,
50:20trying to gain
50:21political points
50:22and calling it
50:23vulture politics.
50:25State BGP
50:26leader Soba
50:26Surendran
50:27visited Nanpreeti
50:28Mary's home
50:29on Wednesday
50:30to show
50:30solidarity.
50:32A delegation
50:33of Kerala
50:34leaders met
50:34Home Minister
50:35Amit Shah on
50:36Thursday, urging
50:37the centre to
50:37step in.
50:39With the
50:39left delegation,
50:40MBS have met
50:41the Honourable
50:42Home Minister
50:42in the light
50:44of the arrest
50:44of new nuns
50:45who have been
50:46jailed there
50:47in Durk.
50:50And the
50:50Home Minister
50:51has promised
50:52that he will
50:53facilitate the
50:54release of
50:55the nuns
50:55and we
50:56are expecting
50:57the release.
50:58They would be
50:59released in
51:00bail, on bail
51:01tomorrow.
51:02Protests are
51:03raging in
51:04Kerala.
51:04Church bodies
51:05held demonstrations
51:06in Tiruvarantapuram
51:07and Kottayam.
51:10In a twist
51:10in the case,
51:11one of the
51:11tribal girls
51:12allegedly targeted
51:13by the nuns
51:14has accused
51:15Bajranggal workers
51:16of assault.
51:17Kamleshwari Pradhan
51:19claims she
51:19willingly went
51:20with the nuns
51:21for employment.
51:22Kerala will go to
51:51polls next year.
51:52The BJP has
51:53been wooing the
51:54Christian community
51:55in the state
51:55but the arrest
51:56of the nuns
51:57in Chhattisgarh
51:57has put a
51:58spoke in
51:59the election
52:00plans.
52:01With Sumi
52:01Patel,
52:02Bureau Report,
52:02India Today.
52:03We'll keep
52:09tracking that
52:09story on the
52:11news today.
52:11Let me leave
52:12you though with
52:13our turn to
52:13our good news
52:14today story.
52:15A unique
52:16heritage transport
52:17museum in
52:18Gurugram.
52:19The exhibits
52:20include everything
52:21from bulak
52:22carts to
52:23vintage carts.
52:24Take a look
52:24at our good
52:25news today story.
52:26From vintage
52:40cars to
52:41palanquins,
52:42from car used
52:46in movies to
52:47train saloons,
52:47the heritage
52:50transport museum
52:51in Gurugram
52:52tells the story
52:53of our journey
52:54from bulak carts
52:55to motorbikes
52:56to cars.
52:58The private
52:59museum opened
53:00in 2013
53:02by Tarun Thakral
53:03has more than
53:043,000 exhibits.
53:09One of the
53:10attractions here
53:11is the
53:11Earthsville
53:12Jodhpur
53:12Maharaja Saloon.
53:18When
53:18Palace on Wheels
53:19started,
53:20in India
53:21we had
53:21this
53:22palace
53:23on wheels
53:23as
53:24Jodhpur
53:24Saloon
53:24placed
53:25there.
53:26Because
53:26it is
53:28meter gauge
53:28it is
53:29less than
53:29in the
53:30chowdhahe.
53:30But
53:31the railways
53:32realized
53:33that it is
53:33less than
53:33in the
53:33chowdhahe.
53:34And
53:34their speed
53:35limits
53:35are
53:3540 km
53:36per hour
53:36than
53:37more.
53:38So
53:39they
53:40discarded
53:40them
53:42and
53:43brought
53:44the
53:44broad gauge.
53:48There are
53:48other
53:48highlights
53:49as
53:49well.
53:49There was a movie, Rambal Ram, in which Dharmindar and Amitabh Bachan had a very popular car.
53:57This is a fiberglass body and it has only a 175cc engine.
54:02If you look at it, there are three doors.
54:05There are two doors ahead and one here.
54:07There is no door behind.
54:09I mean, it doesn't open. It's fixed.
54:11This is a Fargo bus in 1956.
54:14They drive in Rajasthan, Dunlod and Shekhawati region.
54:19Dunlod and Ramgad.
54:22They drive there.
54:24There was a Chrysler Corporation in India.
54:26The premier automobiles, which have started to build Fiat.
54:29They assembled it in that time.
54:32And they drive in small and large.
54:37One section, especially for jugars like Fat Fat, that was once a common sight in Delhi.
54:44And this tractor-like vehicle that was popular in Punjab.
54:56The museum is a unique mix of history and storytelling.
55:03With Manisha in Guru Gram, Bureau Report, India Today.
55:06We end though with a slightly sadder image, a much sadder image, a video released by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs on Wednesday.
55:20The video shows gunshots being fired as Palestinians have gathered waiting for food aid.
55:25In the video, crowds of Palestinians could be seen crouched and waiting before rushing towards the UN vehicles as they arrive.
55:32We are in 2025.
55:35Are these the scenes that we want to see?
55:38There's much that Israel has to answer for.
55:41This is simply unacceptable.
55:44This Gaza footage is a blot and a shame on humanity in the 21st century.
55:51The people of Gaza, many of whom who have nothing to do with terror, surely deserve better.
56:00Maybe the government of Israel also needs to introspect.
56:04Is this what they want to show the world in the 21st century?
56:08And it's time for the world to stand up and say, enough is enough.
56:15Starvation is simply not acceptable as a weapon to subdue a people.
56:22Thanks for watching.
56:24Stay well.
56:25Stay safe.
56:26Think about the people of Gaza.
56:28G also means genocide.
56:30Unacceptable.
56:32Thanks for watching.
56:33Stay well.
56:34Stay safe.
56:35Goodnight.
56:36Shubhra.
56:37It's children.
56:42Don't do this.
56:43Don't do this.
56:45We went on a mission to pick up food supplies from Kerm Shalom.
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