James Toney vs Mike McCallum II - HBO 8-29-92 - video Dailymotion

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James "Lights Out" Toney defends his IBF Middleweight Title against Mike McCallum in a rematch from their 1991 draw on HBO Boxing

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00:00:00The following is a special presentation of HBO Sports.

00:00:18Their epic battle last December

00:00:21was one of the most grueling fights of 1991.

00:00:31Mike McCallum, regarded as one of the best fighters in the world,

00:00:34entered the ring with only one loss in 43 bouts.

00:00:38McCallum, a virtual Hulk hero, the boxing fans,

00:00:42though overshadowed in the eyes of the general public by Leonard and Hearns.

00:00:48Even middleweight champion James Coney

00:00:50knew that this title defense would be anything but ordinary.

00:00:55And though Coney's unbeaten,

00:00:57some would say he hasn't beaten anybody except Michael Nunn.

00:01:01He can reverse his impression in the eyes of skeptics

00:01:03with a win over the great Mike McCallum.

00:01:07In explain his skill and will,

00:01:10these two gladiators refuse to accept the possibility of defeat.

00:01:16Hand-to-hand combat.

00:01:18McCallum following the jab with the right hand.

00:01:21Coney looking for an opening and lands the right hand over the top.

00:01:24Powerful punches.

00:01:27Tony with a solid right.

00:01:30And jolting jabs.

00:01:32McCallum sticking, working behind the jab.

00:01:37Boxing at its best.

00:01:38After 11 rounds,

00:01:43McCallum led on two of three scorecards.

00:01:46This old man won't go down.

00:01:49The 12th round would be one to behold.

00:01:53Both fighters with something left in what has so far been a great fight.

00:01:58James Coney trying to pull it out of the fire.

00:02:00Lands the right hand over the top.

00:02:02McCallum wobbles to the ropes.

00:02:04Closing seconds now.

00:02:09Tony trying to make one last impression on the judges.

00:02:13A left hand.

00:02:13And another left.

00:02:16After 36 minutes of relentless action,

00:02:19McCallum landed 343 of 890 punches.

00:02:22And Tony 340 of 823 punches.

00:02:25The final decision was even closer.

00:02:28It's a three-way split.

00:02:30Ladies and gentlemen,

00:02:31the bout is a draw.

00:02:33Let's hear it for both of these great fighters here tonight.

00:02:38A rematch would be in order.

00:02:41And so tonight,

00:02:42they meet again.

00:02:43IBF middleweight champion,

00:02:45James Coney,

00:02:46and number one contender,

00:02:47Mike McCallum.

00:02:48The rematch,

00:02:49live from Reno,

00:02:50Nevada.

00:02:51We are live.

00:03:21From the Reno Sparks Convention Center in Reno,

00:03:23Nevada.

00:03:24Where tonight,

00:03:25HBO Sports presents the much-awaited rematch battle.

00:03:29For the International Boxing Federation's version of the middleweight championship,

00:03:32between undefeated champion,

00:03:34James Coney,

00:03:35and veteran number one contender,

00:03:37Mike McCallum.

00:03:38A knowledgeable crowd,

00:03:39filling the arena on a big night in Reno boxing.

00:03:42There has already been a brief,

00:03:44abortive,

00:03:45lightweight championship fight here.

00:03:47More on that later.

00:03:48Now the knowledgeable crowd gets ready for a battle between Tony,

00:03:51a rising superstar in the sport,

00:03:54and Mike McCallum,

00:03:55one of the sport's noblest,

00:03:56and perhaps least properly appreciated,

00:03:59warriors.

00:03:59Hello again,

00:04:02I'm Jim Lafley.

00:04:02Welcome back to HBO World Championship Boxing.

00:04:06You have seen a brief sampling of the battle between these two fighters eight months ago,

00:04:10a tremendously close fight,

00:04:12but we polled some ringside observers,

00:04:14experts,

00:04:15writers,

00:04:15others from within the sport,

00:04:17to ask them who they fought was the actual winner of the battle in Atlantic City last December.

00:04:22And here are the surprising results.

00:04:25As 78% of the respondents in our poll believe that James Coney deserved to have won the decision there.

00:04:31Only 5%,

00:04:32one in every 20,

00:04:33believing that Mike McCallum would have deserved a victory.

00:04:3617% agreeing with the draw,

00:04:39which was the ultimate decision reached by the judges there that night.

00:04:43Larry Merchant,

00:04:44it was called by various experts,

00:04:45the fight of the year in 1991.

00:04:48Can they stage,

00:04:48eight months later,

00:04:50another fight of the year caliber fight?

00:04:51Well,

00:04:52one of the things I'm not an expert on,

00:04:54Jim,

00:04:55is the sequel to fights of the year that ended up in the draw.

00:04:58But what we can say is that champions are risk takers,

00:05:02and when champions are hit,

00:05:04their instinct is to hit back.

00:05:06Tony and McCallum are champions,

00:05:08and that's the formula for something special.

00:05:12The conventional wisdom is that the younger,

00:05:14stronger kid should beat the older,

00:05:17wiser man.

00:05:18But that doesn't mean it has to end that way.

00:05:20What we can say with certainty is that these are the best two middleweights in the world.

00:05:25McCallum having once knocked out Julian Jackson.

00:05:29So,

00:05:29as referee Mills Lane likes to say it,

00:05:31let's get it on.

00:05:32And conditions for tonight's bout,

00:05:34very similar to the case eight months ago.

00:05:36You heard the trainer for James Toney,

00:05:38Bill Miller,

00:05:38telling him,

00:05:39this old man wants your championship belt.

00:05:42Well,

00:05:42George Foreman,

00:05:43that old man still wants his championship belt.

00:05:45How is it for the 35-year-old,

00:05:48much more experienced McCallum,

00:05:49to come back and fight eight months later

00:05:51against a guy who gave him such a tough battle eight months ago?

00:05:53Well,

00:05:54listen,

00:05:54in seven years,

00:05:55we're going to have something big to happen on the calendar,

00:05:57a new century.

00:05:58We're looking for a good politician.

00:06:00We're looking for a great scientist.

00:06:02McCallum,

00:06:02he can be that great athlete to lead us in,

00:06:04the standard bearer for the future.

00:06:06If he makes enthusiasm with it,

00:06:07he can do it.

00:06:08Well,

00:06:08he's certainly one of the reigning scientists of the sport of boxing,

00:06:11and he'll need all of his technical skills tonight.

00:06:13Against an angry young man,

00:06:15James Toney,

00:06:16a young man who ever since his arrival on the spotlight scene in boxing,

00:06:21has seen the world as pretty much a confrontation between himself,

00:06:24and his beloved mother,

00:06:26and everybody else.

00:06:28You want to be a world champion,

00:06:35you pay attention to detail.

00:06:36The detail is,

00:06:38you know,

00:06:38you can give a lot of punches,

00:06:39but what can you take in return?

00:06:41That's what separates the champs from the fighters.

00:06:43You've got to ask yourself two questions.

00:06:45One is how bad do you want it,

00:06:47and what are you willing to sacrifice?

00:06:49You think it was hard getting there?

00:06:50It's going to be twice as hard as staying there.

00:06:52The words of a world champion mother,

00:06:55Sherry Toney,

00:06:56etched in the mind of James Toney,

00:06:57who looks to his mom for direction and support inside and outside the ring.

00:07:03He looks to me as his trainer.

00:07:04I trained him from day one to respect,

00:07:07to grow,

00:07:08to love,

00:07:08and to learn.

00:07:09A single parent,

00:07:10it was Sherry Toney's responsibility to fulfill many roles for young James.

00:07:15Through all these years,

00:07:16she raised me by herself.

00:07:18To me,

00:07:18I consider her my mom and my dad,

00:07:19because, you know,

00:07:20she took care of me from thick and thin,

00:07:22you know,

00:07:23went through the hard times with me.

00:07:24It wasn't easy.

00:07:25Growing up in Ann Arbor,

00:07:26Michigan,

00:07:27James often spent time with family and friends,

00:07:30while Sherry held down two jobs and studied for a master's degree.

00:07:35I got a divorce from his father when he was 17 months.

00:07:38Once he asked me about it,

00:07:39when he was 10,

00:07:40I said,

00:07:41you don't need him now.

00:07:42You can make it on your own.

00:07:44It's hard,

00:07:44but you can do it.

00:07:45Times got especially hard when James ran with the wrong crowd and dealt drugs on a nearby campus.

00:07:51My mom was telling me,

00:07:53you got to decide what you want to do with your life.

00:07:54You're going to be a drug dealer,

00:07:55you're going to end up dead or in jail.

00:07:58We set goals with each other.

00:08:00And she said,

00:08:00you know,

00:08:01if you want it real bad,

00:08:03you have to,

00:08:04you know,

00:08:04turn your friends loose,

00:08:06concentrate on that one particular thing,

00:08:08100%,

00:08:09because if you don't,

00:08:10you might as well just forget it,

00:08:11forget about it.

00:08:14And she taught me everything about skill and guts,

00:08:16you know,

00:08:17because she has it.

00:08:19One goal Sherry reached on her own was to start her own bakery business.

00:08:23When Banks wouldn't loan her money,

00:08:25she baked her pies in local pizza kitchens

00:08:27until a few years down the road when she could afford her own kitchen.

00:08:30Sherry now works her own hours,

00:08:32making specialty pies,

00:08:34which she sells wholesale.

00:08:35And James often stops by to help out.

00:08:40It was hard starting at all.

00:08:41Like I've seen times where I've made like $3 starting out,

00:08:44you know,

00:08:45but see,

00:08:45that's business.

00:08:46You don't quit when times get hard.

00:08:48And I know it has to get better because you can survive the hard times in the business.

00:08:52It makes it worthwhile for the good times when you start making money.

00:08:56Traveling a long road together,

00:08:57James and Sherry have somehow reached the top of their mountain.

00:09:01With no father figure in the house,

00:09:03this woman was forced to do long ago

00:09:05what many single parents are now learning to do.

00:09:08Sherry Toney served as a role model whom anyone would want to emulate,

00:09:12teaching James a lot.

00:09:14But mostly,

00:09:14he learned simply to keep in step with a woman who never gave up

00:09:17and never backed down,

00:09:18world champion mother.

00:09:20Basically,

00:09:22she's done everything she can for me right now.

00:09:23I'm a grown man now.

00:09:24She got to go with her life like a go with mine.

00:09:28And she can do what she can to help me if I need it.

00:09:31That's one thing she's there for.

00:09:32She's always there for me at all times.

00:09:34Hey!

00:09:35And I did it for her all the time.

00:09:37She did a lot of things for me.

00:09:38I love her for it.

00:09:39I made the sacrifice and he made the sacrifice.

00:09:41So I guess we came up like to the hard way.

00:09:43You know,

00:09:43he made it the hard way

00:09:44and I made it the hard way

00:09:45because there's no easy way to get to the top.

00:09:48For Sherry and James,

00:09:50Tony,

00:09:50no regrets.

00:09:52With hard work,

00:09:53determination,

00:09:53and support for one another,

00:09:55they have achieved their goals.

00:09:57For James,

00:09:58this relationship brings out the best in the fighter

00:10:00and has helped to make him

00:10:01middleweight champion of the world.

00:10:03For Sherry,

00:10:04she can sit back and remember

00:10:05that she was his first trainer, too.

00:10:08And will always be

00:10:09the number one lady in his corner.

00:10:12And we bring it back live

00:10:14to ringside in the Reno Sparks Convention Center

00:10:16in Reno, Nevada.

00:10:17HBO Sports presenting

00:10:19the IVF middleweight championship bout

00:10:21between champion James Toney

00:10:23and former WBA middleweight champion

00:10:26Mike McCallum.

00:10:27McCallum,

00:10:28seen by experts

00:10:29as a throwback

00:10:30to the old school in boxing.

00:10:32And for more on him

00:10:33and his prospects,

00:10:34we turn to our own

00:10:35in-house customized

00:10:36throwback to the old school,

00:10:38Larry Merchant.

00:10:42A couple of months ago,

00:10:43I saw Mike McCallum

00:10:45in the lobby of a hotel

00:10:46in Las Vegas.

00:10:47And I thought to myself,

00:10:48he's getting old.

00:10:50Really old.

00:10:51He'll never be able

00:10:52to put together

00:10:53another effort

00:10:54like the one he did

00:10:55against James Toney

00:10:56eight months ago.

00:10:58And then I saw him

00:10:59a couple of days ago,

00:11:00fed and trimmed.

00:11:02And I found myself

00:11:03musing about

00:11:04a legendary old jazz trombonist,

00:11:06Slim Jim Robinson,

00:11:08and his cohorts

00:11:09at Preservation Hall

00:11:10in New Orleans.

00:11:12After a set,

00:11:13it would seem

00:11:14that rigor mortis set in.

00:11:15They would look like

00:11:16they were just nodding off.

00:11:18But then it would come time

00:11:19to blow again.

00:11:20And the blood started to flow

00:11:22and the air started to pump

00:11:24and the music came

00:11:26and the joint jumped.

00:11:29So,

00:11:29Mike McCallum,

00:11:31who fought in the 1976 Olympics,

00:11:34who was avoided

00:11:35by every great middleweight

00:11:36in the 80s,

00:11:37is still going strong

00:11:39in the 90s.

00:11:40Ready to blow

00:11:41again.

00:11:42It takes you back

00:11:54to the old days

00:11:55of newsreels

00:11:55watching 35-year-old

00:11:57Mike McCallum.

00:11:58He's a throwback

00:11:58to a bygone era

00:11:59of ring technicians,

00:12:01a gracefully aging

00:12:02artist of boxing.

00:12:04Years ago,

00:12:06fighters like Sugar Ray Robinson

00:12:07fought actively

00:12:08at the championship level

00:12:09well into their 40s.

00:12:11They used their

00:12:12accumulated technical knowledge

00:12:13and ring smarts

00:12:14after their reflexes

00:12:16had slowed.

00:12:17I portray myself

00:12:18of Sugar Ray Robinson.

00:12:20The way Joe punches

00:12:21effortlessly

00:12:23is distribution of punches.

00:12:26There's variety of punches

00:12:27going backwards

00:12:29and forward.

00:12:30And I always

00:12:31watch his tapes,

00:12:33especially when I'm

00:12:34training for a fight,

00:12:35and try to

00:12:37do things that he does.

00:12:39It is a landmark

00:12:41accomplishment

00:12:41for Mike McCallum

00:12:42to have lasted

00:12:4312 continuous years

00:12:44in boxing.

00:12:45He has outlasted

00:12:46many other champions

00:12:47who were title holders

00:12:48when McCallum

00:12:49first won the junior

00:12:50middleweight belt

00:12:51in 1984.

00:12:53And how has McCallum

00:12:54survived over a decade

00:12:55as a professional fighter?

00:12:57For one thing,

00:12:58his boxing style

00:12:59in the ring

00:12:59rediscovers

00:13:00some of the lost

00:13:01arts of his predecessors.

00:13:02He takes care of all

00:13:05the little things

00:13:06that some fighters

00:13:08neglect

00:13:08that would lengthen

00:13:10his career.

00:13:13A fighter can't go

00:13:14through our career

00:13:15without getting hit

00:13:16a lot of times.

00:13:18But some fighters

00:13:20get hit solidly.

00:13:22Mike has the ability

00:13:24to slip and ride

00:13:25and roll with punches.

00:13:2681-year-old

00:13:28boxing PhD

00:13:29Eddie Futch

00:13:30knows well

00:13:31what it takes

00:13:32to prolong a career.

00:13:33He teaches McCallum

00:13:34here in the red shirt

00:13:35subtle defensive details

00:13:37like arms and shoulders

00:13:38to block debilitating

00:13:39body punches.

00:13:40He's making the other

00:13:41guy do most of the moving

00:13:42and he does just

00:13:44what is necessary

00:13:44to get to his point.

00:13:46If he makes a punch

00:13:47miss without the use

00:13:48of his hands

00:13:49or having to step

00:13:51away from his point,

00:13:52it means he's always

00:13:53in perfect position.

00:13:55McCallum has found

00:13:56that a good offense

00:13:56with punches

00:13:57from all angles

00:13:58can provide

00:13:59a solid defense.

00:14:00Since his only defeat

00:14:01to Sumbu Kalambi,

00:14:03Mike has become

00:14:03more aggressive

00:14:04throwing more punches

00:14:05per round

00:14:06with greater efficiency.

00:14:09If Mike McCallum

00:14:11can devise methods

00:14:12to endure in the ring,

00:14:13then surely

00:14:14he must take

00:14:15the extra steps

00:14:16he needs to last

00:14:17outside the ring.

00:14:19The daily 5.30 a.m.

00:14:21McCallum run

00:14:22is bone-wearying

00:14:23work for a 35-year-old.

00:14:25But the meticulous

00:14:26program Mike

00:14:27clings to

00:14:27has a purpose.

00:14:29I know this

00:14:30is what I have to do.

00:14:32I don't think about it.

00:14:33I just do it.

00:14:34You stop to think

00:14:35about it,

00:14:36then you mind me

00:14:37until you're tired.

00:14:40No, Mike,

00:14:40not today, tomorrow.

00:14:42Mike, you have more time.

00:14:43You have a lot of time,

00:14:44you know.

00:14:45So I try not to think

00:14:45about it.

00:14:46I know that I have

00:14:47to get up and run.

00:14:48McCallum doesn't put off

00:14:49mental conditioning either.

00:14:51He has learned

00:14:52to isolate himself

00:14:53from distractions,

00:14:54surrounded only by

00:14:55trainers and sparring partners.

00:14:57At a remote compound

00:14:58in California,

00:14:59the small clan

00:14:59eats, sleeps,

00:15:01breathes,

00:15:01and talks

00:15:02about the upcoming

00:15:03rematch.

00:15:06Despite all the preparation,

00:15:07many fight fans

00:15:08believe McCallum's age

00:15:09will be his downfall

00:15:11tonight.

00:15:11If Mike cheats

00:15:12father time

00:15:13one more time

00:15:14and wins,

00:15:15he'll honor his heroes

00:15:16by becoming

00:15:16the oldest active champion.

00:15:18Sometimes when I look

00:15:20at myself

00:15:21and see

00:15:22the level

00:15:23of the competition

00:15:24and the level

00:15:25in which I can compete

00:15:26at this age

00:15:27and I'm still doing it,

00:15:29I have to say

00:15:30thank God,

00:15:30you know,

00:15:31because not many

00:15:32of us still,

00:15:33who's left

00:15:34still doing it.

00:15:35So, you know,

00:15:35I'm very happy for that.

00:15:36He loves to box.

00:15:37He knows,

00:15:38and he can box.

00:15:39He knows how

00:15:39to do these things.

00:15:41And a lot of the skills

00:15:43that Mike shows now

00:15:45are lost.

00:15:47They are lost to boxing.

00:15:49You won't need a newsreel

00:15:50to find those

00:15:51pugilistic skills

00:15:52as long as Mike McCallum

00:15:54wears Sugar Ray Robinson's mantle

00:15:55as the gracefully aging

00:15:57artist to boxing.

00:16:00A lot of the artistry

00:16:03McCallum feels

00:16:03he did not properly use

00:16:05last December

00:16:06against Tony.

00:16:07Most notably,

00:16:08he didn't go to the body

00:16:09the way he expects to

00:16:10all the time.

00:16:11He didn't throw

00:16:11the left hook,

00:16:12his best punch enough.

00:16:13And maybe a key

00:16:14to his extraordinary

00:16:15longevity in the sport,

00:16:16three long periods

00:16:18of inactivity

00:16:19during his career

00:16:20which have given

00:16:21his body a chance

00:16:22on occasion

00:16:22to rest up.

00:16:23Marked contrast

00:16:24to Tony

00:16:25who has never had

00:16:26an inactive period

00:16:27longer than 104 days

00:16:29in his brief career

00:16:31as a hardworking,

00:16:33frequently defending

00:16:34champion fighter.

00:16:36And the fact

00:16:37that McCallum

00:16:38has really never

00:16:39taken a beating

00:16:40in the ring, Jim.

00:16:41He's had a hard fight

00:16:42against Tony

00:16:43but nobody has ever

00:16:44administered a beating

00:16:45so as far as we can tell

00:16:48he's a young

00:16:4935-year-old warrior.

00:16:51He was a contemporary

00:16:51of Leonard,

00:16:53Kearns,

00:16:54Hagler,

00:16:54Duran.

00:16:55Never got a chance

00:16:56to fight any

00:16:56of the four of them.

00:16:57None of them

00:16:58wanted to fight

00:17:00McCallum

00:17:00because they felt

00:17:01he was too good

00:17:03and you couldn't

00:17:03make enough money

00:17:04to take that risk

00:17:06by fighting him.

00:17:08So business

00:17:08idiosyncrasies

00:17:09in boxing

00:17:10may have prevented

00:17:10Mike McCallum

00:17:11amid 43 wins,

00:17:13only one loss

00:17:14and the draw

00:17:15with Tony

00:17:16from ever becoming

00:17:17a boxing superstar.

00:17:19His most notable victories

00:17:20that knockout of Jackson

00:17:22and also a knockout

00:17:23of Donald Curry.

00:17:25And here comes

00:17:26James Toney,

00:17:27seventh title fight

00:17:28in the past 15 months.

00:17:30As we've already told you,

00:17:32an angry young man

00:17:33who found a recent

00:17:34opportunity to vent

00:17:35some of that anger

00:17:36at a news conference

00:17:37here three days ago.

00:17:39He's going around

00:17:41talking about

00:17:41how he's going

00:17:42to knock me out

00:17:42but you know what?

00:17:43Kick your ass,

00:17:43James Toney.

00:17:44This time for good.

00:17:45We'll see that.

00:17:45We ain't going to wait

00:17:46until Saturday.

00:17:46We can go right now

00:17:47like I said on the phone

00:17:48the other day.

00:17:49Wait until Saturday.

00:17:50We don't fight for free.

00:17:51We'll kick your ass

00:17:52in the ring on Saturday.

00:17:57A belly bump

00:17:58by Bob Arum

00:17:59in the unaccustomed

00:18:00role of peacemaker.

00:18:02Yes, and he's so angry

00:18:03he even got Mike McCallum

00:18:05to be angry

00:18:06which is the last thing

00:18:07you expect.

00:18:08But calling Toney

00:18:09just angry

00:18:09is like saying

00:18:11that Michelle Pfeiffer

00:18:12is a girl

00:18:13or a hurricane

00:18:15is a win.

00:18:17It is indeed

00:18:18an understatement

00:18:18and there goes Toney

00:18:19right now

00:18:20getting right up

00:18:21in McCallum's face

00:18:22to generate some heat

00:18:24before the bout

00:18:24has even begun.

00:18:25You look at the record

00:18:2631 wins.

00:18:28No losses.

00:18:29Draws with Sanderline

00:18:30Williams later avenged

00:18:31in a 10-round decision

00:18:32and of course

00:18:33the second draw

00:18:34was with Mike McCallum.

00:18:35Marvin Hagler

00:18:36said after watching

00:18:37this last fight

00:18:39he said he's young

00:18:40he's strong

00:18:40and he doesn't know

00:18:41how to lose.

00:18:42He knows how to channel

00:18:43that anger.

00:18:45Tale of the tape

00:18:45and you will see

00:18:46that the biggest difference

00:18:47between the two fighters

00:18:48on paper is age.

00:18:49Toney 24 years old

00:18:50he just turned 24

00:18:51within the past week.

00:18:53Mike McCallum

00:18:54will reach age 36

00:18:55in December of this year.

00:18:58The interesting thing

00:18:58about these numbers

00:18:59Jim

00:19:00he's thrown 158 for Tony.

00:19:02He reached weight

00:19:03a week ago.

00:19:04He has the tendency

00:19:05dangerous tendency

00:19:06of training only

00:19:08to the level

00:19:08of his opponent

00:19:09which is why

00:19:10he's had so many

00:19:10close fights.

00:19:11He's in shape tonight.

00:19:13Punch stat numbers

00:19:14Larry from their fight

00:19:15in December of 1991.

00:19:17Well the interesting

00:19:18thing here

00:19:19is that they threw

00:19:20so many punches.

00:19:2169 and 74

00:19:22adds up to four punches

00:19:25thrown every five seconds.

00:19:26And the rules

00:19:28for tonight's bout.

00:19:30First a look at the jabs

00:19:31in the bout

00:19:31last December.

00:19:32Of course McCallum

00:19:33throws more jabs

00:19:34being more of the boxer.

00:19:36Tony landed

00:19:36more heavy blows.

00:19:38Pardon my prematurity.

00:19:39Now the rules

00:19:40with our unofficial

00:19:41ringside scorer

00:19:42Harold Lederman.

00:19:43Harold?

00:19:43James, Tony

00:19:44and Mike McCallum

00:19:45will fight tonight

00:19:45using the rules

00:19:46of the International

00:19:47Boxing Federation.

00:19:4812 rounds

00:19:49three judges

00:19:50scoring the fight

00:19:50on a 10 point

00:19:51must system.

00:19:52There is no

00:19:52standing eight count

00:19:53no three knockdown rule

00:19:55and only the referee

00:19:55can stop the fight.

00:19:56And you can't be saved

00:19:57by the bell

00:19:58in any round

00:19:58including the last round.

00:19:59And Jim

00:20:00in case of an

00:20:01accidental headbutt

00:20:01we will go to the

00:20:02scorecards

00:20:03after the sixth round

00:20:04in case that

00:20:04accidental headbutt

00:20:05causes the fight

00:20:06to be stopped.

00:20:07We've already had

00:20:08a primer on technical

00:20:09draws earlier this evening

00:20:10and more on that

00:20:11a little bit later on.

00:20:12Right now

00:20:12we go to ring announcer

00:20:13Michael Buffer

00:20:14for the pre-fight

00:20:15introductions.

00:20:17Ladies and gentlemen

00:20:18Top Rank Incorporated

00:20:19in association with

00:20:20the Reno Sparks

00:20:21Convention

00:20:22and Visitors Authority

00:20:23along with the

00:20:24undisputed

00:20:24undefeated

00:20:25king of beer

00:20:26Budweiser

00:20:27presents the

00:20:28featured bout

00:20:28of the evening.

00:20:29This bout is approved

00:20:30by the Nevada State

00:20:31Athletic Commission.

00:20:32Chairman

00:20:33Luther Mack

00:20:33Commissioners

00:20:34Nat Carasali

00:20:35Dr. Elias Ghanom

00:20:37Bruce Lane

00:20:38and Dr. James Knave

00:20:40Chief Inspector

00:20:41at ringside

00:20:41Mark Ratner

00:20:42The three physicians

00:20:43The three physicians in

00:20:43attendance are Dr. James

00:20:45McLennan

00:20:45Dr. Craig Goodmanson

00:20:47and Dr. John Wickman

00:20:49The timekeeper is

00:20:50Jim Carpenter

00:20:51Counting for the

00:20:51knockdown seconds

00:20:52Steve Menzel

00:20:53This bout is sanctioned

00:20:55by the International

00:20:55Boxing Federation

00:20:56President Robert W. Lee

00:20:58Supervisor in attendance

00:21:00at ringside

00:21:00Robert Whitesell

00:21:01The scoring for this bout

00:21:03will be done on a

00:21:04ten point must system

00:21:05per round

00:21:06and the three judges

00:21:07assigned are

00:21:08Phil Newman

00:21:09Doug Tucker

00:21:10and Tom McDonough

00:21:12and once the bell rings

00:21:14the man in charge

00:21:15of the action

00:21:15reaching the century mark

00:21:17for title bouts

00:21:18this is championship bout

00:21:19number 50

00:21:20referee

00:21:21Joe Cortez

00:21:22and now ladies and gentlemen

00:21:26from the Reno Sparks

00:21:28Convention Center

00:21:29right here in the biggest

00:21:30little city in the world

00:21:31Reno, Nevada

00:21:32let's get ready to rumble

00:21:3712 rounds of boxing

00:21:41for the IBF middleweight

00:21:43championship of the world

00:21:45introducing first

00:21:46fighting out of the red corner

00:21:48wearing the red trunks

00:21:49with white trim

00:21:50weighing in at an even

00:21:51158 pounds

00:21:52a native of Jamaica

00:21:54but now fighting out of

00:21:55Brooklyn, New York

00:21:56he brings an outstanding

00:21:57professional record

00:21:5843 victories with 34 KOs

00:22:01only one defeat

00:22:02and one draw

00:22:03in his career

00:22:04ladies and gentlemen

00:22:05tonight

00:22:06he's the challenger

00:22:07let's welcome

00:22:08the two time

00:22:10world champion

00:22:11Mike

00:22:12the body snatcher

00:22:14McCullough

00:22:16and his opponent

00:22:22across the ring

00:22:23fighting out of

00:22:24the blue corner

00:22:25wearing the gold trunks

00:22:26with black trim

00:22:27and also weighing

00:22:28an even 158 pounds

00:22:30he comes to us

00:22:31tonight

00:22:31from the Motor City

00:22:32Detroit, Michigan

00:22:33undefeated as a professional

00:22:35his record

00:22:3631 victories

00:22:37with 21 KOs

00:22:38no defeats

00:22:39one draw

00:22:41ladies and gentlemen

00:22:42presenting

00:22:43the IBF

00:22:44middleweight

00:22:45champion

00:22:46of the world

00:22:47James

00:22:48lights out

00:22:50Tony

00:22:52he got psyched out

00:23:14he was beating

00:23:14the press conference

00:23:15he was trying to be

00:23:16a nice guy

00:23:16and the other guy

00:23:17slammed down on him

00:23:18made him wake up

00:23:19and I don't think

00:23:20he's went back to sleep

00:23:21yet

00:23:21and he should be

00:23:23this guy let him

00:23:24pull an old

00:23:25psychological trick on him

00:23:26round one

00:23:30McCallum in the red trunks

00:23:32Tony in the gold trunks

00:23:33Tony defending his

00:23:35IBF middleweight championship

00:23:36against a man

00:23:37who gave up

00:23:38a middleweight championship

00:23:39Mike McCallum did

00:23:40rather than to give in

00:23:42to the WBA

00:23:42on its choice

00:23:43of an opponent

00:23:44for a defense

00:23:45they wanted him

00:23:46to fight Steve Collins

00:23:47he wanted to fight

00:23:48Tony instead

00:23:48Tony is starting

00:23:56out real smart

00:23:57he's going low

00:23:58on the veterans

00:23:59you try to hit them

00:24:00in the chest

00:24:00and around the side

00:24:01early on

00:24:02so they don't get

00:24:03any power later on

00:24:04if they do get courage

00:24:05Tony who landed

00:24:06a lot of power shots

00:24:08in the first fight

00:24:08George says

00:24:09that he would like

00:24:10this one to be

00:24:10more of a boxing match

00:24:12and James is working

00:24:18behind the jab

00:24:19early

00:24:19and as you pointed out

00:24:20using the jab

00:24:21to go to the body

00:24:22the chest and the belt

00:24:23you try to suck

00:24:24all the power

00:24:25out of the veterans

00:24:26because they want

00:24:27the fights to go longer

00:24:28Tony easily blocking

00:24:30McCallum's jab early

00:24:31a lead right by Tony

00:24:38lead right hands

00:24:39were effective

00:24:39for him

00:24:40in the first fight

00:24:41McCallum starts to go

00:24:49to the body

00:24:50by his own admission

00:24:51the body snatcher

00:24:52didn't go to the body

00:24:53enough

00:24:54in fight number one

00:24:55against Tony

00:24:55McCallum should be careful

00:24:57him not to make

00:24:58this young boy mad

00:24:59too soon

00:25:00he's throwing the box

00:25:01not letting him keep boxing

00:25:02quick hand from Tony

00:25:05as he finishes inside

00:25:07with the right hand

00:25:08and McCallum lands a dab

00:25:11Tony retaliates in time

00:25:15jab and left hook for McCallum

00:25:26he wants to throw the left hook

00:25:27a lot more tonight

00:25:28than was the case

00:25:29eight months ago

00:25:29Tony missing with the right hand

00:25:31it's a boxing aficionado's delight so far

00:25:47the two fighters standing

00:25:48facing each other

00:25:49in the center of the ring

00:25:50circling and using the jab

00:25:52to try to set up combinations

00:25:53McCallum has allowed

00:25:55Tony to go on

00:25:56and beat a counter puncher

00:25:57counting with three

00:25:58four shots

00:25:58he should have been in that position

00:26:00round one

00:26:17a bit of a chess match

00:26:18in which Tony has appeared

00:26:20not surprisingly

00:26:21a little quicker

00:26:22and a little stronger

00:26:23than Mike McCallum

00:26:24he's got a chance

00:26:26Tony tried to box the boxer

00:26:30in that round

00:26:30we'll find out how smart that is

00:26:33if he continues

00:26:34I thought McCallum won the round

00:26:36all right

00:26:37nice

00:26:38nice

00:26:39yeah you gotta get a little

00:26:44right hand

00:26:44left

00:26:47right

00:26:48you got a chance

00:26:51go with that double hook

00:26:53be first

00:27:03when you come out

00:27:04of them clenches with him

00:27:05don't wait for him

00:27:06you be first

00:27:07okay

00:27:07keep control

00:27:09don't cut off the jab

00:27:10take some of them jabs

00:27:12and hook off on them

00:27:13but be alert

00:27:15be looking for something back

00:27:16but you be first

00:27:17get that strong

00:27:22grab that spoon

00:27:24grab him

00:27:25I got it

00:27:26I got it

00:27:26all right

00:27:27in that round

00:27:28Jim

00:27:28Tony fought

00:27:29in a much more

00:27:30even pace

00:27:31consistent pace

00:27:32rather than in the spurts

00:27:33he did in the first fight

00:27:35but he's spurting right now

00:27:36and he gets inside

00:27:37and lands the left hand

00:27:38to the face

00:27:39which is the most effective

00:27:40blow so far in the bout

00:27:41and you heard Tony's trainer

00:27:46Bill Miller saying

00:27:47be first

00:27:47get in there

00:27:48and start the action

00:27:49he doesn't want

00:27:50his fighter to get into

00:27:52a counter punching duel

00:27:53with McCallum

00:27:53who's a terrific counter puncher

00:27:55Tony is starting to get in

00:27:58on McCallum

00:27:59that's out of his body

00:28:00early

00:28:01and it's starting to hurt too

00:28:02tell us how you can tell that

00:28:05George

00:28:06well he's protective of it

00:28:08he hits him once

00:28:09and the next time

00:28:10he covers up

00:28:10before he hits him

00:28:11to another point

00:28:12McCallum lands the jab

00:28:16left hand behind it

00:28:18is blocked

00:28:18Tony with a solid left

00:28:19there's a left hand

00:28:20by McCallum

00:28:21both fighters landing

00:28:22in close

00:28:23McCallum trying to set up

00:28:32the jab

00:28:33by going to the body first

00:28:34Tony was able to slide

00:28:36his head out of the way

00:28:37but here's the

00:28:43inconsistency of James

00:28:45Tony within a round

00:28:46you saw him begin

00:28:46with a busy spurt

00:28:47stay busy for about

00:28:4820 seconds

00:28:49now he's letting McCallum

00:28:50set the pace

00:28:51both of these guys

00:28:57have to really drain

00:28:58themselves

00:28:58trying to get down

00:28:59to that weight

00:28:59they went a little lower

00:29:01so they better not

00:29:02try to get too

00:29:03exhaust

00:29:04exhaust themselves

00:29:05too quick in this fight

00:29:06well both fought

00:29:07at a measured pace

00:29:08in round one

00:29:09and round two

00:29:10has been hardly

00:29:11any more intense

00:29:12so far

00:29:13much more of a tactical

00:29:15battle

00:29:15than was the case

00:29:16last December

00:29:17and that's because

00:29:21they respect each other

00:29:22right George

00:29:23once you have respect

00:29:24you do have respect

00:29:25McCallum landed the left

00:29:28but was backing up

00:29:29work out

00:29:30work out

00:29:30come on

00:29:31work out

00:29:34work out

00:29:36work out

00:29:36come on

00:29:37work out

00:29:37with that shoulder

00:29:38with that shoulder

00:29:38Mike

00:29:39both fighters trying to

00:29:40go to the body

00:29:41both fighters blocking

00:29:42shots to the body

00:29:43now Tony gets into

00:29:44the ribcage

00:29:44with the left

00:29:45come on

00:29:45get him out

00:29:46left hook inside

00:29:53for McCallum

00:29:53as Tony dropped

00:29:55the right hand

00:29:55if you've just joined

00:30:00us we're in the

00:30:00second round

00:30:01on HBO's

00:30:03world championship

00:30:04boxing

00:30:04it's the IVF

00:30:06middleweight battle

00:30:06between champion

00:30:07James, Tony

00:30:08and the Gold Trunks

00:30:09and challenger

00:30:10Mike McCallum

00:30:11in the red

00:30:11a rematch

00:30:12of their fight

00:30:13in December

00:30:13of 1991

00:30:14which was

00:30:15a spirited draw

00:30:16rated by some

00:30:18observers

00:30:18as the best fight

00:30:19in the sport

00:30:20in the year 1991

00:30:22we've had a tactical

00:30:24battle through two rounds

00:30:25both fighters

00:30:26showing flashes

00:30:27neither fighter

00:30:28taking command

00:30:29earlier this evening

00:30:33a lightweight

00:30:34championship fight

00:30:35here in this arena

00:30:36the bout to

00:30:37fill the vacant

00:30:38IVF welterweight

00:30:39title left vacant

00:30:40by the defection

00:30:41of Brunel Whitaker

00:30:42to the 140 pound

00:30:43class

00:30:43it was Freddie

00:30:44Pendleton

00:30:45the veteran

00:30:45against Tracy

00:30:46Spann

00:30:46and they fought

00:30:48for the IVF

00:30:48lightweight championship

00:30:49in round one

00:30:50the left-hander Spann

00:30:52landed that solid

00:30:53left hand

00:30:54to drop Pendleton

00:30:55on his trunks

00:30:55and take a seeming

00:30:56tactical advantage

00:30:57in the bout

00:30:58but then

00:30:59two minutes into

00:30:59round number two

00:31:00you will see their

00:31:01heads collide

00:31:02right there

00:31:03and that accidental

00:31:04headbutt

00:31:05opened a massive cut

00:31:06over the right eye

00:31:07of Freddie Pendleton

00:31:07because of the depth

00:31:09and the size of the cut

00:31:11the bout was stopped

00:31:12and called a technical

00:31:13draw Pendleton

00:31:14will be matched

00:31:15against Spann

00:31:15again four or five

00:31:17months from now

00:31:18still for the IVF

00:31:19lightweight championship

00:31:20McCallum is giving

00:31:25a clinic right now

00:31:27exactly right

00:31:31you saw the punch count

00:31:32numbers that gave

00:31:33McCallum the edge

00:31:34in the second round

00:31:35we'll see if this

00:31:39continues to be

00:31:40a battle of technique

00:31:41and if it is

00:31:42it plays into

00:31:43McCallum's favor

00:31:43Tony landing

00:31:44a left hand

00:31:45and a right hand

00:31:46and another left

00:31:46in close

00:31:47and Tony once again

00:31:49spurs to begin

00:31:50the third round

00:31:51as he did

00:31:51at the beginning

00:31:52of round two

00:31:53and he should do

00:31:55more because

00:31:56the veteran fighters

00:31:57they spar all the time

00:31:58and he's allowing

00:31:59them to have

00:31:59a sparring match

00:32:00in here

00:32:00Tony should be

00:32:01all over him

00:32:02for the first

00:32:02five or six round

00:32:03to make him

00:32:04want to fight back

00:32:04get some points

00:32:06well yesterday

00:32:07in our meetings

00:32:08with the two fighters

00:32:09Harold Letterman

00:32:10couldn't restrain

00:32:11himself from telling

00:32:12Tony what a nightmare

00:32:13he creates for judges

00:32:14by fighting only

00:32:15part of every round

00:32:16and you're seeing it here

00:32:20he's like a tornado

00:32:22Jim

00:32:22he comes down

00:32:23out of the sky

00:32:24with fury

00:32:24then goes back up

00:32:25in the sky

00:32:26disappears for a while

00:32:27then comes back

00:32:28down again

00:32:28and you'd better

00:32:30be ready

00:32:31non-tarell trainer

00:32:38Eddie Butch

00:32:39had told McCallum

00:32:40that he wanted

00:32:40him to get in

00:32:41and pressure Tony

00:32:42at the end

00:32:43of those spurts

00:32:43and take advantage

00:32:45of the fact that

00:32:46Tony doesn't want

00:32:47to fight the full

00:32:47three minutes

00:32:48of every round

00:32:48but McCallum

00:32:49seems to want

00:32:50to stay away

00:32:51for the time being

00:32:52the biggest mistake

00:32:55McCallum can do

00:32:56right now

00:32:56is start allowing

00:32:58Tony to jab him

00:32:59if he gets his

00:33:00confidence in that

00:33:01jab

00:33:01the fight is over

00:33:02so how can he

00:33:03prevent Tony

00:33:04from jabbing him

00:33:04stay away from him

00:33:05farther away

00:33:06because he has

00:33:07the greater reach

00:33:07state of distance

00:33:08well for the time

00:33:19being McCallum

00:33:20seems to be

00:33:20listening to you

00:33:21George

00:33:21as he does

00:33:22stay out of

00:33:23arms reach

00:33:24from Tony

00:33:24during that

00:33:2515 or 20

00:33:26second stretch

00:33:27you find the

00:33:28correct distance

00:33:29and you use it

00:33:29never get in

00:33:31between that

00:33:31perfect distance

00:33:32where your jab

00:33:33is king

00:33:33Mike is remembering

00:33:34better tonight

00:33:35to go to the body

00:33:36something he forgot

00:33:37about in their

00:33:38December fight

00:33:39now Tony

00:33:41begins another

00:33:42spurt

00:33:42with 45 seconds

00:33:43remaining in the

00:33:44round

00:33:44good right hand

00:33:56by McCallum

00:33:56set up by the

00:33:57triple left jab

00:33:58and there he goes

00:34:01again

00:34:02jab jab jab

00:34:03looking for the

00:34:04right hand

00:34:04one more time

00:34:05Tony backing away

00:34:07think about those

00:34:11jab momentarily

00:34:12they mess up

00:34:13your vision

00:34:14you don't know

00:34:15what to do

00:34:15it's best to

00:34:16step back

00:34:16for a moment

00:34:17the key fighters

00:34:20trading jabs

00:34:20still a tactical

00:34:22battle through

00:34:22round number

00:34:23three

00:34:24time

00:34:28all right

00:34:41all right

00:34:41be alert

00:34:42don't let him

00:34:43steal you

00:34:43don't let him

00:34:44steal you

00:34:44with the old

00:34:45right hand

00:34:45he always comes

00:34:46with him all the

00:34:46time

00:34:46see

00:34:46when you move in

00:34:51like that

00:34:51with your jab

00:34:51I'm going to try

00:34:52to get that

00:34:52double and double

00:34:53look off

00:34:54you said

00:34:56how difficult it is

00:34:57to score a Tony

00:34:58fight

00:34:58Harry were you

00:34:59scoring this one

00:35:00Larry let me tell you

00:35:01something

00:35:01there is nothing

00:35:02decisive about this

00:35:03fight

00:35:03two to one

00:35:04Mike McCallum

00:35:05I gave the first

00:35:05round to James

00:35:06Tony I thought he

00:35:07was a little bit

00:35:07busier

00:35:07he was using that

00:35:08left jab

00:35:09he backed McCallum

00:35:09up a bit

00:35:10but then in rounds

00:35:11two and three

00:35:11Mike McCallum

00:35:12came back

00:35:12and he just

00:35:13took over the fight

00:35:14he seems to be

00:35:15backing up

00:35:15James Tony

00:35:16he's a little bit

00:35:17busier

00:35:17he had a nice

00:35:18counter shots

00:35:19I thought McCallum

00:35:19Greg runs two and

00:35:20three to take a

00:35:2129-28 lead

00:35:22Tony has to decide

00:35:24somewhere along the

00:35:25way here

00:35:26whether he wants

00:35:27to continue to

00:35:28box the boxer

00:35:29or whether he wants

00:35:30to try to impose

00:35:31his youth and strength

00:35:33on the old guy

00:35:34and they've won

00:35:40McCallum in the

00:35:41corner

00:35:41don't let him

00:35:42steal you with

00:35:42that right hand

00:35:43and Tony stole

00:35:44him that time

00:35:45well if the fight

00:35:48were limited to

00:35:49the first 10

00:35:50seconds of every

00:35:51round

00:35:51Tony would be

00:35:52the easy winner

00:35:52so far

00:35:53but the spurts

00:35:54at the beginning

00:35:55of each round

00:35:56have not been

00:35:56followed with

00:35:57consistent action

00:35:58throughout

00:35:58there's a good

00:36:01right hand

00:36:02you're right

00:36:02George

00:36:02temporarily

00:36:04wobbles

00:36:04Mike McCallum

00:36:05but he stands

00:36:06in there anyway

00:36:07McCallum got

00:36:09instructions from

00:36:10this corner

00:36:11don't let him

00:36:12steal you

00:36:12with the right

00:36:13hand

00:36:13those are

00:36:16right hand

00:36:17leads that are

00:36:18scoring for

00:36:18James Tony

00:36:19Cox's left

00:36:21shoulder in the

00:36:21fashion

00:36:21he throws it

00:36:22like a ball

00:36:23player

00:36:23those fast

00:36:24pitchers or

00:36:25something

00:36:25kind of tries

00:36:27to lull you

00:36:27for about a

00:36:28half second

00:36:28with that

00:36:29Cox's shoulder

00:36:29I guess it

00:36:30does

00:36:30that time

00:36:32the right

00:36:32hand missing

00:36:33for Tony

00:36:33and Mike

00:36:34McCallum

00:36:34had the right

00:36:35hand stuck

00:36:35in James's

00:36:36face

00:36:36multiple jabs

00:36:50from McCallum

00:36:51again

00:36:51that's the

00:36:51strategy

00:36:52which has

00:36:52paid off

00:36:53for him

00:36:53in the

00:36:54sections of

00:36:55each round

00:36:55that he

00:36:55has

00:36:56controlled

00:36:56body

00:36:59shot

00:36:59for Tony

00:36:59as

00:37:00McCallum

00:37:00comes in

00:37:01another

00:37:05right

00:37:05hand

00:37:05by

00:37:05James

00:37:06Tony

00:37:06and

00:37:07McCallum

00:37:08comes back

00:37:08for the

00:37:09left

00:37:09Tony is like

00:37:13an old

00:37:13veteran

00:37:13he waits

00:37:14for one

00:37:14shot

00:37:15he's waiting

00:37:23George

00:37:23McCallum

00:37:24is hitting

00:37:25but while

00:37:29McCallum

00:37:29has the

00:37:29tactical

00:37:30advantage

00:37:30it is

00:37:31Tony

00:37:31who lands

00:37:32the harder

00:37:33shot

00:37:33that's right

00:37:34and the judges

00:37:34are going to

00:37:34have to pay

00:37:35a lot of

00:37:35attention

00:37:36to that

00:37:36especially

00:37:37when you

00:37:37got a

00:37:37crowd

00:37:38who can

00:37:38see

00:37:38that

00:37:39at some

00:37:51point

00:37:51or other

00:37:51we got to

00:37:52distinguish

00:37:52ourselves

00:37:52from the

00:37:53Olympics

00:37:53you mean

00:37:55they don't

00:37:55have red

00:37:56and blue

00:37:56buttons

00:37:56here

00:37:57those guys

00:38:00would tell

00:38:01us that

00:38:01eight or

00:38:01nine punches

00:38:02had landed

00:38:03so far

00:38:03in the fight

00:38:04our eyes

00:38:05tell us

00:38:05different

00:38:06Tony

00:38:11with the

00:38:11right

00:38:12uppercut

00:38:12McCallum

00:38:13lands

00:38:13a left

00:38:13and a right

00:38:14inside

00:38:14the two

00:38:16fighters

00:38:16trading

00:38:17solid

00:38:17punches

00:38:17as we

00:38:18come down

00:38:18the stretch

00:38:19in round

00:38:19number

00:38:19four

00:38:20Tony

00:38:26said he

00:38:27wouldn't

00:38:27go for

00:38:27a big

00:38:28knockout

00:38:28shot

00:38:28earlier

00:38:29today

00:38:29and that

00:38:30seems to

00:38:30be

00:38:30what

00:38:30he's

00:38:31doing

00:38:31I

00:38:40thought

00:38:40that

00:38:41was

00:38:41Tony's

00:38:41best

00:38:41round

00:38:42we're

00:38:43in the

00:38:43fight

00:38:43all right

00:38:45I want you

00:38:46to go out

00:38:47there

00:38:47stick

00:38:48right hand

00:38:51left hook

00:38:52those are

00:38:52your

00:38:52combinations

00:38:53but be

00:38:54first

00:38:54you gotta

00:38:55get away

00:38:55first

00:38:55don't wait

00:38:58for him

00:38:59you'll be

00:39:00first

00:39:00keep

00:39:01the

00:39:02pressure

00:39:02so

00:39:08very

00:39:09close

00:39:09keep

00:39:10popping

00:39:11that

00:39:11left

00:39:11hand

00:39:11and

00:39:11keep

00:39:12the

00:39:13combination

00:39:13when you're

00:39:14getting back

00:39:14against the

00:39:14rope

00:39:14but don't

00:39:15stand up

00:39:16straight

00:39:16and here

00:39:18is Tony

00:39:18flaring

00:39:19he said

00:39:19his fists

00:39:20would be

00:39:20the judges

00:39:21here comes

00:39:22the judge

00:39:23nicely

00:39:28done

00:39:28George

00:39:29through

00:39:31four rounds

00:39:32it is

00:39:33McCallum

00:39:34who has

00:39:34landed

00:39:35more punches

00:39:36it is

00:39:37Tony

00:39:37who is

00:39:37landing

00:39:38the harder

00:39:38shots

00:39:39tough

00:39:40fight

00:39:40the score

00:39:41Tony's trying to give you confidence

00:39:49he'll let you land

00:39:50three jam

00:39:51your bags

00:39:52follow off

00:39:52as though you've hurt him

00:39:53he comes back with his shocking right hand

00:39:55to knock your head off

00:39:56because he wants to counter with that right hand over the top

00:39:58and McCallum

00:40:00right eye is already a little bloodshot

00:40:03so you can believe something has happened

00:40:04that you can't see in that ring

00:40:06Mike the body snatcher McCallum

00:40:10still not getting

00:40:12as much as he'd like

00:40:14I'm sure

00:40:14to the body of James

00:40:16Tony

00:40:16but scoring with the jab

00:40:19and at times

00:40:19countering effectively off of Tony's action

00:40:22there were two body shots

00:40:36a left and a right by McCallum

00:40:37so far in this bout

00:40:39he's averaging only about five attempts at the body per round

00:40:42he would like to be doing that more

00:40:44and so would his 81 year old trainer

00:40:46Eddie Foote

00:40:46mouthpiece replacement now for McCallum

00:40:50as the mouthpiece fell out

00:40:51Tony comes to the neutral corner

00:40:52could it be that Mike is tiring

00:40:55a little faster than his opponent George

00:40:57could it be

00:40:58there are some things going on

00:41:01on the right side

00:41:01on the right side of McCallum's face

00:41:04yeah you're right

00:41:05that right eye is aware of it

00:41:06right hand lands flush for Tony

00:41:09as referee Joe Cortez

00:41:10steps in with another instruction

00:41:12come on

00:41:17let's go work out of that guy

00:41:18two good body shots from Tony

00:41:24and the left hand

00:41:25that split McCallum's defense

00:41:26right hand over the top

00:41:30by McCallum land

00:41:31and Mike just misses

00:41:33with the solid right cross

00:41:34that would have done some damage

00:41:35uppercuts inside for Tony land

00:41:38both fighters scoring

00:41:40Tony is

00:41:46it's all right

00:41:47he feels good about just hurting him

00:41:49and making him respect him

00:41:50he doesn't seem to want to go for the finish

00:41:52so that's good

00:41:53for a young fighter

00:41:54Tony seems to be

00:41:59measuring

00:42:00his effort

00:42:01and biding his time

00:42:03in the first six rounds

00:42:04George would you endorse that strategy

00:42:05I think so because that's the one thing

00:42:07the young fighters don't have

00:42:08patience

00:42:09they lose a lot of fights

00:42:12because of impatience

00:42:12McCallum remembering to go back

00:42:15to the body after Tony

00:42:16misses just slightly

00:42:18with the left hand

00:42:18this is between spurts

00:42:22and McCallum is trying

00:42:24to take advantage of it

00:42:26because I'm like

00:42:26get him out of the fight

00:42:27get him out of the way guys

00:42:27come on

00:42:28he's going to push fight

00:42:29a seemingly even bout

00:42:39as they get to the end

00:42:40of the fifth round

00:42:41much to be said

00:42:42for what both fighters are doing

00:42:44I don't want to get any points

00:42:49I don't want to get any points

00:42:51I don't want to get any points

00:42:54all right

00:42:55beginning to use that

00:42:56don't look to the corner now

00:42:59good

00:42:59that's good

00:43:01it's working

00:43:05it's working

00:43:06it's working

00:43:07it's working good

00:43:08a little more pressure

00:43:11a little more pressure

00:43:12keep staying in space

00:43:14he's beginning to give up

00:43:16the center of the ring now

00:43:17now let's look at a comparison

00:43:19of the punching action

00:43:20through round five

00:43:21of this fight

00:43:22compared to the same battle

00:43:23eight months ago

00:43:25and Larry you can see that

00:43:28both fighters were just a little bit

00:43:30busier in the preceding fight

00:43:32although McCallum is close to being on pace

00:43:36tonight for what he did then

00:43:37landing a little bit higher percentage

00:43:39Tony not throwing as many punches

00:43:43it's customary for Tony to dig himself a hole in the first half of the fight

00:43:48climb out of it in the second half

00:43:50sometimes when you give it all you got once and all you get is the draw

00:43:56it bothers with you

00:43:58you say well why should I get once again

00:44:00you got to have good motivators in your corners for these rematches

00:44:05left hook landed for Tony but it was a glancing blow

00:44:23and a right hand for Tony

00:44:26and McCallum goes back to the body and then back upstairs with the Jags

00:44:30right hand shot for Tony

00:44:38you start having that vision problem in those eyes

00:44:42sometimes you start getting called the Jags

00:44:44ordinarily you would not be called red

00:44:46like that one over the top

00:44:47yeah he's having problems on that side

00:44:49well the opportunity is there you say George

00:44:54for Tony to land the right hand

00:44:56anytime he wants

00:44:58I think he's careful though

00:44:59because he realizes he hits this guy

00:45:00with his best

00:45:01he can still linger on for two or three rounds

00:45:12Callum now working effectively behind the jab

00:45:15Tony making little effort to block or slip the jab

00:45:18and he's just eating it when Mike wants to throw it

00:45:20come on

00:45:26for the first time Tony is starting to cut the ring off periodically

00:45:38this is something he didn't do earlier

00:45:40making him go in his direction like hurting Kevin

00:45:50both fighters flurrying to the body inside

00:45:56Tony's right hand was blocked

00:45:59and as you saw he missed wildly with the uppercut there

00:46:02McCallum going back to the body

00:46:05more and more frequently it seems

00:46:15perhaps in the hope of taking James Tony's legs away from him

00:46:19Tony who has a history of having difficulty making 160 pounds

00:46:22down to 158

00:46:24is he over trained

00:46:27did he do too much work in the gym

00:46:28that's what McCallum would like to find out

00:46:29in the latter rounds

00:46:31of a 12 round battle

00:46:33Callum is having a hard time figuring out Tony also

00:46:36doesn't know exactly what he's going to do

00:46:38but there he lands a series of hard body shots George

00:46:41four or five in a row

00:46:42to end round six

00:46:44Tony is getting a little lazy

00:46:49I don't want you to get careless

00:46:50I want you to keep them hands up

00:46:53you hear me?

00:46:54don't give him nothing

00:46:56keep them hands up

00:46:57but keep the left hand going

00:46:59keep them hands up

00:47:00them shots to the body

00:47:01you know how to catch them

00:47:03and when you catch them

00:47:04doing something off of them

00:47:05Harold

00:47:06keep them hands up

00:47:07tell us about your scoring nightmare

00:47:08in this fight

00:47:10through the first half

00:47:11Larry I don't have it as such a nightmare

00:47:12I got it 4 to 2

00:47:1358 to 56

00:47:14James Tony

00:47:15Jim what I'm judging is

00:47:17is who's doing the more damage

00:47:18and let me tell you something

00:47:19it's that home run ball that James Tony is throwing

00:47:21the overhand right that's doing the most damage

00:47:23when he comes over the top with that right hand

00:47:26that's what's doing the damage

00:47:27that's what's scoring the points

00:47:28and that's what I'm scoring

00:47:30you and I are going to agree to disagree on this one

00:47:33because I don't think

00:47:35he's really hurt McCallum with any of those

00:47:38with many of those punches

00:47:40I see it as a scoring nightmare

00:47:432 2 and 2

00:47:442 rounds even 2 rounds apiece

00:47:46I think it's a scoring nightmare

00:47:48and I could see judges going for McCallum at this point

00:47:50he is landing more punches

00:47:53and with a higher rate of accuracy than he is Tony

00:47:56so we have

00:47:58a split

00:47:59opinion

00:48:00at ringside

00:48:02and you never know what

00:48:03the judges are going to do in a fight like this

00:48:06saw McCallum stretch his legs out in between rounds

00:48:09and I saw Tony sit still almost bored

00:48:12it can make a difference

00:48:13you can catch a young kid bored

00:48:14you can do a lot of things to him

00:48:15so long as he doesn't know you're hurting him

00:48:20well the question is

00:48:25is Tony discouraged and down

00:48:27or is he well within himself

00:48:29and so confident that he feels as though he can do whatever he wants

00:48:32and I think it's a ladder

00:48:33he sits back to admire his work sometimes

00:48:35and the other guy goes on and lend more punches

00:48:38that kind of overconfidence wouldn't serve him well

00:48:40against a real professional like McCallum

00:48:43who is schooled in the art of seizing every opportunity

00:48:46I agree

00:48:48McCallum is not looking for a knockout in there George

00:48:50he just wants to score

00:48:51that's what he's doing

00:48:52he's doing a good job of it

00:48:55Tony's hanging around with his mother a lot

00:48:57he's got a lot of mother whip about it

00:48:58you never know what's on his mind

00:49:00he hangs around with the old folks you know

00:49:02not that I'm old you know

00:49:04she's not old George

00:49:05she's younger than you and me

00:49:06isn't that nice

00:49:08hey

00:49:09more than half the world is

00:49:13Tony landing a series of shots there

00:49:15as they came off the ropes

00:49:16none of them real hard blows

00:49:19and Callum goes back to the body

00:49:21referee Joe Fortez warned him between rounds to keep him up

00:49:25Mike just missing with a long left hand there

00:49:28and Tony lands the left hook

00:49:29but Callum is saying if you're not going to do anything

00:49:36I may as well do something

00:49:38that's what's happening in this box tonight

00:49:47you really have to wonder

00:49:48why the seemingly stronger James Tony

00:49:50doesn't work harder to try to exert pressure

00:49:53unlike McCallum

00:49:54coming in too light too quick

00:49:56158 he's probably been like that for 10

00:50:018 to 10 days

00:50:03right hand over the top landed for Tony

00:50:05another disagreement between Larry Merchant and Harold Lederman

00:50:08as to whether it did any damage

00:50:11get him out get him out get him out come on

00:50:14it's hard to tell how much damage some of those punches are doing

00:50:17because McCallum takes such a good punch

00:50:19he's never been on the canvas

00:50:21this is his 12th year as a professional cross fighter

00:50:24now the mouthpiece is out again

00:50:27and referee Joe Cortez will look for an opportunity to replace it

00:50:30and he does

00:50:32timeout

00:50:33he leaves Tony in his corner

00:50:34doesn't make him go to a neutral corner

00:50:36brings McCallum back to his corner

00:50:37to replace the mouthpiece for the second time in the bout

00:50:41someone needs to scream into Tony here

00:50:43man you're in a title match here

00:50:45he looks very bored

00:50:46he looks very bored

00:50:53now Cortez sends Tony to the neutral corner

00:50:55and he comes over and smiles at us

00:50:57alright come on time in

00:50:59let's go

00:51:00as though amused by the ennui of it all

00:51:04and Callum goes back to work

00:51:06get him out get him out get him out

00:51:07get him out get him out

00:51:08crowd chanting Tony

00:51:09Tony

00:51:10and I think it's good because he's got an interest in this box

00:51:13a relatively tidy or small crowd but very enthusiastic

00:51:25and there you see the new Rasta influenced hairstyle for WBC super welterweight champion Terry Norris

00:51:36with his wife Kelly at ringside Terry

00:51:40looking forward to his battle here September 26 on HBO against Simon Brown

00:51:45that for Norris's 154 pound world championship

00:51:50that was Terry Norris

00:51:52that was Terry Norris

00:51:54you see the hairstyle before and after

00:51:57here's a flurry by Tony good left hand

00:52:05staying in tight both fighters and within punching distance almost continually through this fight

00:52:11and that's the sign of good fighters

00:52:14boxing lessons on

00:52:16through round 7

00:52:17McCallum has thrown 490 punches and landed 200

00:52:20reporting the punch count numbers

00:52:22Tony has thrown nearly 100 fewer punches

00:52:25and landed 75 fewer

00:52:28but yet Harold Rederman has Tony ahead

00:52:31this is the dilemma for scorers at this bout

00:52:34round 8

00:52:35champion James Coney in the gold trunks

00:52:38challenger Mike McCallum in the red

00:52:43Tony is 24 years old

00:52:45McCallum is 35

00:52:47McCallum has been the busier fighter

00:52:49McCallum has been trying all night to make

00:52:52Tony go backwards

00:52:54he's been not able to do it but he's trying

00:52:56and he's starting to help him

00:52:58little bit by little bit

00:53:0135 years old he's been throwing 70 punches a round

00:53:06he's taking a point away from McCallum

00:53:13let's go

00:53:14he's going to be very costly

00:53:15in a fight like this

00:53:17and it's hard for us to have seen a series of flagrant violations that should have led to a point being taken away

00:53:21what do you think George?

00:53:28I don't see it happening over and over enough to take a point

00:53:33I agree with you guys

00:53:36let the fighters decide it

00:53:38Harold Lederman

00:53:40Harold Lederman get on microphone

00:53:42why did Joe Cortez just take a point from Mike McCallum

00:53:45Jim, Joe Cortez was wanting Mike McCallum for a long time for low glows

00:53:49he's been wanting him constantly to keep his punches up

00:53:51he told him a few rounds before

00:53:53if he doesn't keep his punches up he's going to pull a point

00:53:55and that's what he did

00:53:56when Mike McCallum threw that punch behind the back

00:53:58Cortez got mid

00:53:59but he really put the point for low glows

00:54:01let's go

00:54:02come on

00:54:03didn't seem to get enough to warrant the deduction of a point

00:54:07now McCallum and Tony are giving and taking against the ropes

00:54:11during Harold's discussion you saw Tony land two or three hard shots

00:54:15including an uppercut that snapped McCallum's head back

00:54:18surprisingly Tony is fighting like the older boxer

00:54:25yeah he really is

00:54:28looking for opportunities in small spurts

00:54:32come on

00:54:34and now Cortez stops the action again this time for a glove repair

00:54:40that's a very important thing because that glove can really get in your eye

00:54:43and as you're swinging a punch and just putting one eye out

00:54:46okay that's good that's good

00:54:48well referee Joe Cortez

00:54:50a long time New Jersey institution who's recently relocated to Las Vegas

00:54:55and he's working here in Nevada now

00:54:57has put his imprint on the fight

00:55:02both fighters trying to go to the body inside

00:55:06and Tony is the busier of the two for the moment

00:55:09round eight has been a good one for James Tony

00:55:12who has applied more pressure for McCallum

00:55:14than was the case in previous rounds

00:55:19he's so effective with these short rights Tony is

00:55:21I wonder why he's not using them

00:55:23whenever he gets close he can land it

00:55:25there are a thousand things to wonder about George

00:55:27but he shows you that talent every once in a while

00:55:29and then McCallum lands a punch

00:55:31that stops Tony in his tracks

00:55:33as round eight comes to a close

00:55:35one point

00:55:40keep that defense tight

00:55:42don't give him nothing

00:55:44you want to keep him catching up

00:55:45keep him fighting for behind

00:55:47keep him fighting for behind

00:55:52keep the left hand up

00:55:53keep using the left hand

00:55:55hook off of it

00:55:56when you hook off of the time it's double

00:55:57let's take a look at the punches

00:55:59that caused the referee to take a point away

00:56:04oh give me a break

00:56:07give me a break

00:56:08whether or not he thought

00:56:09McCallum had hit below the belt earlier

00:56:12what did that got to do with what just happened there

00:56:14and then close

00:56:16with an uppercut

00:56:17get underneath

00:56:18and go with that good hook

00:56:32so the little lift for James Tony as referee Joe Cortez

00:56:35deducted a point from McCallum in the eighth round

00:56:37in what promises to be a close tightly scored bout

00:56:41and a little bit of a nightmare

00:56:43as we pointed out so frequently for the judges

00:56:45as of the contrast in style and effort

00:56:48on the part of the two fighters

00:56:49Tony working harder now again

00:56:51to begin round nine

00:56:52lands a left hand

00:56:53McCallum comes right back

00:56:57and I think that was the best punch of the whole fight

00:56:59whiffled by James Tony

00:57:02a strong enough statement

00:57:04that Mike McCallum wanted to retaliate immediately

00:57:06oh we got it out

00:57:07we got it out

00:57:08come on we got it out

00:57:09come on

00:57:10come on

00:57:17body body body for McCallum

00:57:19let's go

00:57:20let's clean around guys

00:57:26those were important body shots

00:57:27McCallum is starting to land now

00:57:30he works a little harder in the clinches

00:57:32than does James Tony

00:57:34Tony has a tendency to relax in there

00:57:36McCallum takes advantage by pounding to the rib cage

00:57:39over the 12 grand distance

00:57:40it all adds up over the 12 grand distance

00:57:43Distance

00:57:53When he wrestling inside come on

00:58:05I think Tony's making a mistake

00:58:07He's conceding some of those right hands that

00:58:09Come on

00:58:11He's allowed him to just throw anytime he wants

00:58:13Well

00:58:15And as he usually does he's conceding

00:58:17Whole minutes and sometimes two minutes

00:58:19Of various rounds

00:58:21When he wants

00:58:23To press the action

00:58:25He tends to land more than his opponent

00:58:27And when he sits back he gets hit

00:58:31Come on

00:58:33Come on

00:58:35Come on

00:58:37Let's go guys

00:58:39Tony's dream

00:58:41Somehow I think he didn't get enough liquids in his diet

00:58:43The dehydration

00:58:45Doesn't have a whole lot of sweat on his body

00:58:47Or anything

00:58:48Well

00:58:49It bothered him dramatically in the fight with Dave Tiberi a year ago

00:58:52The fight that ultimately led to a Senate investigation of boxing

00:58:56When Tiberi's home

00:58:58Tiberi's home state senator from Delaware

00:59:00Senator Ross decided to convene a subcommittee

00:59:02After Tony was given a split decision over Tiberi

00:59:05And about which Tony was badly bothered

00:59:08By dehydration

00:59:10And couldn't mount the full effort

00:59:12Tony was able to land a good body punch

00:59:15One of the time we were talking

00:59:19We're at the Reno's Fox Convention Center

00:59:21HBO's World Championship Boxing

00:59:23Bringing you the IVF Middleweight Championship fight

00:59:27Green plant champion James Toney in the Gold Shorts

00:59:29Challenger Mike McCallum in the red

00:59:36Nine rounds complete

00:59:38You got to get your feet set to punch Mike

00:59:44Harold

00:59:46You got to get your feet set to punch

00:59:48Three quarters of the fight

00:59:49How do you see it now?

00:59:50Larry I got it six rounds to three

00:59:5287-83 James Toney

00:59:54Giving him an extra point for the point that Joe Cortez took away

00:59:56Jim I think that he's just doing a little bit too much damage

00:59:58I think he's landing the better shots

01:00:00The ninth round was a classic James Toney round

01:00:02He dogged it for two and a half minutes

01:00:04And landed effective shots for 30 seconds

01:00:06But still in all I think he did enough for the ninth red to win it

01:00:08I got him six to three

01:00:10I think Tony's winning the fight

01:00:12I have it four rounds to three

01:00:15Two even

01:00:17But remember that Tony also has an extra point

01:00:21From that referee decision

01:00:22There is a good left hand

01:00:23Perhaps the best shot of the night

01:00:31Well the two men have now fought 21 rounds of boxing against each other

01:00:35In round nine James Toney threw only 50 punches

01:00:37That's the lowest punch output for either fighter

01:00:40In a round in either fight

01:00:43And still with the relatively short effort

01:00:46Harold Letterman saw enough to give him the round

01:00:49So you see why James Toney creates questions for fans, scorers, and opponents

01:00:57I can tell you this

01:00:58McCallum corner man has taken a long time to get into that ring

01:01:02And by the time he actually gets set

01:01:04It's almost time for the rest time to be over

01:01:06I think they should have made some concessions

01:01:08So he wouldn't have to climb up so high

01:01:10Maybe turn the uh

01:01:11The stool a little in his direction

01:01:13Where he can stay on the outside

01:01:14You're talking about Eddie Kutt

01:01:16And he's a great trainer

01:01:17But he's taking a little too much time

01:01:19And I think the uh

01:01:20Athletic commission should have allowed for that

01:01:22In a sport of tiny margins

01:01:25There's a potential small edge for Tony

01:01:28Yeah

01:01:34I would advise turn the speed

01:01:35Just a little bit to the

01:01:37To the manager and having the commissioner right there

01:01:39To see that no nothing fancy is going on

01:01:41George in the other corner

01:01:43It is round ten

01:01:44Wouldn't you by now be telling James Toney

01:01:46To turn up the heat and throw more punches?

01:01:48Tony is doing a good job

01:01:51He's just not doing it as good as he ought to

01:01:53When you're in the title match

01:01:54I would tell him to get enthusiastic

01:01:55Start throwing like punches

01:01:56You are right

01:01:57You don't want to give a title away

01:02:02You don't want to give a title away

01:02:07Remember that in the last fight

01:02:08December of last year

01:02:09Tony went into the 12th round

01:02:11Needing to win the round

01:02:12On all three scorecards

01:02:14Just to merit a draw

01:02:15As it turned out

01:02:16He got the job done

01:02:19Now McCallum has Tony backed into a corner

01:02:21And is landing shots

01:02:28Tony boxes his way out of the corner

01:02:30By going into McCallum's body

01:02:31And I think it's a lack of confidence

01:02:33And his stamina

01:02:34That's what it is

01:02:35He's just not going to push himself too much

01:02:40Right hand landed for Tony

01:02:42McCallum tries to come back with the left

01:02:44McCallum blocking shots to the body

01:02:46From Tony and going to the body himself

01:02:51And I think picking up valuable points

01:02:57Let's go

01:02:58It's hard to make a living on body punching

01:03:02Because sometimes you don't get scored fairly

01:03:04But Mike McCallum has been getting by with it for 12 years now

01:03:07The body snatches

01:03:08A nickname given to him

01:03:10By one time friend and sparring partner Thomas Ernst

01:03:13And another Joe Fortes

01:03:18I think it has a lot to do with the right

01:03:20His right eye

01:03:21Some nerve problems over there

01:03:22Will not allow you to bite down when you want to

01:03:24That was mouthpiece incident number three

01:03:26Mouthpiece replacement number three

01:03:28For Joe Fortes

01:03:38Come on guys

01:03:39Can you clean it out?

01:03:40Where guy?

01:03:41Where guy?

01:03:42Come on

01:03:43Watch ahead, guys

01:03:44Another brief boxing clinic to end round 10.

01:03:51And as McCallum goes to his corner, here's a look at Eddie Fox trying to make his way in.

01:03:55And there, pop a smurf, as Riddick Bowe calls him, finally arrives and moves in to talk to Mike.

01:04:02Yeah, it's very close, Mike.

01:04:03You've got to get the next round.

01:04:08You've got to have this one or the next one.

01:04:27And don't wait for him.

01:04:29You'll be first.

01:04:32You'll be first.

01:04:33All right?

01:04:34You heard Eddie Futch tell McCallum he has to get the next two rounds.

01:04:41He knows it's a close fight.

01:04:42He probably thinks McCallum is behind by a point or two.

01:04:49You saw the punch stat numbers, which weigh heavily in favor of Mike McCallum.

01:04:54Get him out.

01:04:55Get him out.

01:04:55Come on.

01:04:56Get him out.

01:05:26Get him out.

01:05:29McCallum initiating the action with his jab over and over.

01:05:33You've heard Tony Strain of Bill Miller telling him the beeper.

01:05:36But he has not been first as often as has Mike McCallum.

01:05:45Come on.

01:05:45Watch that.

01:05:46Watch that.

01:05:47Come on.

01:05:48Give me a clean round.

01:05:48Both of you guys.

01:05:49Right hand landed by Tony.

01:05:58You know it's about time when your fighter starts making all that money.

01:06:02Do they have dietitians?

01:06:03People who can determine if you're close to dehydration know how to measure you.

01:06:09The old days of just the boxing trainers are gone.

01:06:10Tony is.

01:06:11Another right hand for Tony.

01:06:12But you're right.

01:06:13He drives a bone.

01:06:14So what do you do?

01:06:15You get out there to the colleges and some of these guys, they got a lot of degrees.

01:06:21We can use them in boxing.

01:06:22And he's got a mother with a couple of degrees.

01:06:23And she makes cookies and cookies and cookies and cookies.

01:06:24So what do you do?

01:06:25You get out there to the colleges and some of these guys, they got a lot of degrees.

01:06:28We can use them in boxing.

01:06:29And he's got a mother with a couple of degrees.

01:06:30And she makes cookies and cookies and cookies.

01:06:31So what do you do?

01:06:32So what do you do?

01:06:33You get out there to the colleges and some of these guys, they got a lot of degrees.

01:06:37We can use them in boxing.

01:06:38And he's got a mother with a couple of degrees.

01:06:41And she makes cookies and cookies.

01:06:43My kind of degrees.

01:06:44I guess she's a nutritionist at sorts, huh?

01:06:47I like those.

01:06:48Come on.

01:06:49That's your kind of nutrition.

01:06:51Woo!

01:06:52She can do it too.

01:06:53We ate some of those pies and cakes.

01:06:56While you were fighting Alex Stewart.

01:06:58Who had the easiest job that day, huh?

01:07:00That's the fight I wanted to be down here with you guys.

01:07:02It is precisely because of fights like this that boxing judges should and do work for years

01:07:22learning how to score fights before they're given the privilege of judging big time championship fights.

01:07:29You must have some understanding of the nuance, the subtle details of the sport to be able to form an opinion as to who is winning this one.

01:07:38It's a real hard fight to score because there hasn't been any knockdowns.

01:07:43Anything.

01:07:44Last round.

01:07:45Last round coming up, Mike.

01:07:46Oh, look.

01:07:47You've got to have this one.

01:07:48You've got to have this one.

01:07:49You've got to have this one.

01:07:50Okay, Mike, this is the last round.

01:07:53Give me a clean round.

01:07:54Three.

01:07:55All right.

01:07:56I want to say, give me three.

01:07:57All right.

01:07:58Give me a good three minutes.

01:08:06You the boss.

01:08:11Show him here the boss.

01:08:17minutes give it to me

01:08:34get busy for mama carol your score going into the last round larry seven rounds to four 106 102

01:08:40james tony he's making it happen mccallum just has no power left in his shots tony's winning a fight

01:08:47a fascinating conclusion mccallum by punch out numbers has landed nearly a hundred more

01:08:52punches than james tony harold letterman believes tony is clearly winning the fight

01:08:57two careers at stake now as round 12 begins in the gold trunks you have an undefeated young champion

01:09:03hoping to move on towards superstar status in the sport in the red trunks one of the great cult

01:09:08figures in the sport over the past 12 years a champion who never got the right to fight against

01:09:14the leading lights of his day leonard hearns hagler durand he must satisfy himself for trying to take

01:09:21money out of the mouth of a man like james tony and he may well be doing it as round 12 continues

01:09:39i think if he pulls this off mike mccallum will call it the biggest win of his career even bigger

01:09:43than the wins over three million jacks what worries me is that that one point taken away from mccallum

01:09:50could be the difference in a fight like this and that would be tragic that would be an injustice

01:09:56so it would appear to us

01:10:00the judges are fans just like you and me a lot of times they're not looking at all the technical

01:10:05stuff the spinning and the little shots that don't mean nothing that we see they're only looking for

01:10:10the head move to sweat the fly and in that area tony has done it that's right because tony with the

01:10:17harder punches has made the sweat fly more than has mccallum well in the 12th round in december

01:10:25james tony came out with a brilliant effort easily won the round on all three scorecards and earned the

01:10:31draw mccallum has so far presented or prevented tony from making that kind of statement here

01:10:37the judge was given good advice in that in uh in the meeting yesterday yes harold lederman gave good

01:11:01advice to james tony when he told him he should fight all three minutes of every round not only

01:11:07was it good for this is a point in the fight when the 24 year old ought to be more active than the 35

01:11:14year old but i don't see it happening 35 is young you know

01:11:23less than 30 seconds to go you saw tony throw the hard right hand hoping to bring rain but it didn't

01:11:29happen and mccallum goes back to the body trying to flurry one last time for the judges who'll make

01:11:35the last statement who will put the punctuation at the end of the 12 round paragraph cortez will he

01:11:42calls timeout again yeah the gloves are starting to hang again and like i said it's very dangerous

01:11:49well it's been a three-man battle all the way

01:11:51and mccallum adopts the body language of the winner while tony simply stalks around the ring

01:12:06one of those days you just don't know where you are unless it's another draw you're going to have

01:12:10at least one tremendously disappointed fighter in there larry you know the great red smith used to

01:12:16say the way to judge a fight is to get a 10-year-old kid to come in here look at the fight at the

01:12:21end of the fight point to the guy and say he won and i think even a 10-year-old kid would have a hard

01:12:28tonight well let's look at harold's final scorecard and see how he sized it up well jim

01:12:35i got it fairly close seven rounds to five 115 to 112 favorite james tony i just think that the punches that

01:12:42really counted were landed by james tony i think that he shrugged off mike mccallum shots real well

01:12:47he walked away unscathed don't have a mark on him and at the end of the fight mike mccallum had very

01:12:52little zex left in his shots i mean mike mccallum just wasn't you know landing a real big hard shot

01:12:57he was learning a lot of punches but with not enough behind him i think james tony landed enough power

01:13:02shots to win this fight how about you george i'm a 10 year older i don't know what's happening i don't

01:13:08care to pick one or the other huh no not at all because you can give it to mccallum because he was

01:13:13more enthusiastic but tony of course landed better hard puncher all right well we are in total suspense

01:13:20as we go up the ring announcer michael buffer for the official decision

01:13:27ladies and gentlemen we go to the scorecards phil newman scores the bout 114

01:13:32114 he has it even tom mcdonough scores the bout 118 to 110 doug tucker has it 117 to 110 for the winner by

01:13:46majority decision and still

01:13:49so the nevada judges agree with harold letterman ladies and gentlemen and give the fight to the man

01:14:07who threw the harder shots

01:14:11but the margin of victory on those two judges scorecards 118 110 117 111

01:14:17even with the point deducted from mccallum because of low blows and the holding and hitting incident

01:14:25in a later round that seems like an awfully wide margin in this fight total punches from the punch

01:14:30stat numbers james tony landing by our count 110 fewer blows in the bout than his opponent mike mccallum

01:14:39throwing 135 fewer blows in the bout nevertheless it is tony the champion who gets the decision

01:14:46and it is mccallum who winds up with a bitter defeat only the second of his career and you look

01:14:52again at the numbers the judge from new jersey scoring it 114 apiece the judge from nevada won 17 to 110

01:15:00and the fellow from tacoma washington won 18 to 110. that's the way they sliced it and the winner by

01:15:08majority decision and still champion is 24 year old james tony who stands by now with larry merchant

01:15:15wow all right james tony still middleweight champion it was in effect james a split decision because

01:15:24there was one point given to taken away from mike mccallum how do you feel about the scoring how do

01:15:32you feel about the fight okay first before i get on about the fight i tell to kevin a little bit back at

01:15:37home greg and annette jimmy griggs all my fellas in the hood i'll be home tomorrow congratulations to

01:15:42kevin william for getting married today and when i don't say we also got married today yo okay now

01:15:48that we've gotten rid of the social calendar what about the fight oh the fight was a good fight for

01:15:52me you know like i said i came out dictated the pace from round one i think it should have been

01:15:56unanimous decision i don't know where the judge scored at 114 114 at but you know hey a win is a win

01:16:03what why weren't you able to hurt him more is he just too tough and too clever to really hurt

01:16:09well our game plan was just working keep working him if the shots there take it but not don't rush

01:16:14anything like i did last fight because you know last fight i went wild on when i got him hurt so

01:16:18this time our game plan was just take it easy be smooth about it and you were more consistent

01:16:24through the fight rather than fighting in spurts were you in better shape is that why you were able

01:16:28to do that man i'm in hell of a shape i could have won 25 rounds tonight you know like i said i'm in

01:16:33the best shape i've ever been in my career even for the michael nunn fight but you know like i said

01:16:37hey i rise to the occasion yesterday you tried to dog me i was saying that i'm not i don't fight

01:16:42you know i fight in spurts too much and don't get enough rounds and you know no punch them to win

01:16:47the rounds but today i came out surprised y'all a little bit and harold adamantuga i see you down

01:16:52there you peeping okay who's next we hear that you might move up to fight or ron barkley do you want to

01:16:58fight terry norris you want to fight julian jackson what's your schedule well i gotta say

01:17:04bob baron my man here he got hey i would like you know i like to step up and fight middleweight

01:17:09super middleweight because the middleweight division was too hard for me to make to make it but i did it

01:17:13because bob baron said hey james we got to do it this time get michael calum out the way and we're going

01:17:18to the bigger and better things so i did what bob told me to do so now it's time for me to go up

01:17:22do what we have to do but like i said right now go home enjoy this my birthday was monday

01:17:27now i'm finally going to enjoy it with some burger king here we go baby burger king burger king

01:17:32yo it's not the bob in because he's my man john king kiss my ass

01:17:38go get julian jackson in here baby that's the only way i stay down julian jackson will take off baby

01:17:43that's all i gotta say will take off i'm glad we did get to see the angry man

01:17:49issue a few angry challenges at the end of that interview back to you at ringside

01:17:55not so terribly angry after all because now as he says he gets to go to burger king and

01:18:01that's a sentiment we can all appreciate i guess i think the uh after fight interview was more

01:18:05exciting than the fight especially the burger king part indeed if he goes up to 168 pounds as he's

01:18:11discussing and fights against iran barkley that would be a war and he would be well advised to come to a

01:18:18fight like that ready to fight three minutes of every round the boy was drained he didn't have any

01:18:22energy like i said he needed a dietitian someone he claims otherwise he claims he was in the best

01:18:27shape of his career not at all he just wasn't there all right mike mccallum very disappointed to

01:18:32say the least standing by with larry merchant all right mike first let's talk about the point that

01:18:40the referee took away from you what did you think happened he said i was hitting low but the boat was

01:18:46hitting low huh you said you said hit low but it looked like a backhand with a little slap oh yeah

01:18:53he pushed his head away in the back and i put my head in my hand in the back and hit him that wasn't

01:18:57a bad shot all right if that hadn't happened you would have still lost a split decision what is your

01:19:03feelings about you got the decision to win huh very simple you got to knock him out to win why

01:19:09because that's their fighter simply that if you knew that could you have done more to try to knock

01:19:15him out or is he just too tough no he's not too tough to get knocked out you just say i just couldn't

01:19:20get put a shot together together to get him out of there well the gallant fight we fought great you

01:19:25know nothing to take away from him but once 110 to 115 come on that is so plain i mean this is a tough fight

01:19:34so i take that far i say i take it mike that uh you're going to be around for a while still fighting

01:19:39well i don't know man right now i'm so disappointed you know i mean it's it's one thing when you fight

01:19:44you give it your best and you're beaten fear now 116 to 110 that's ridiculous so the feeling you have

01:19:55is really is that you you've never really been beaten up in the ring and you don't think it happened

01:20:00tonight no definitely not nothing to take away from him again he's a good fighter you know he got a good

01:20:05fight good showing and he won his title they say he won so he won but i feel i feel i won if not not

01:20:13that far 117 to 110 that's ridiculous one one guy had it 118 to 110 just to make you feel even worse

01:20:20think about it thank you mike all right all right jim it's okay and while mike mccallum was saying that

01:20:26george foreman is here saying he's right right because he was beaten he just wasn't beaten up

01:20:31and sometimes it's hard to distinguish as a matter of fact i wasn't whipped in africa

01:20:35i know and i want the people in louisiana and florida but you didn't fall down in africa because you

01:20:39were tired and he was hitting that's not so let me say again that the people in louisiana and florida

01:20:44i want them to know that life is just not going on with us we they're we're still uh thinking about

01:20:48them oh yeah absolutely everybody thinks about victims of the hurricane in florida and louisiana

01:20:52and i think about mike mcgallum and kind of hope i seldom say this i kind of hope that at age 35 he

01:20:58sees fit to continue fighting because he doesn't look to me as though he ought to be calling a halt to his

01:21:03career he really didn't lose that fight he really didn't lose that fight he didn't get beat up and that's the

01:21:07distinction there i think you're right i think there's plenty left for mike mccallum if in fact

01:21:12he can find it in him to want to go on after the feeling he's going to take away from tonight's fight

01:21:18you agree larry merchant mike mccallum ought to keep fighting if in fact he's disappointed with what

01:21:22happened here well i don't know anybody else in the middleweight division that uh is sure to beat him

01:21:28so why shouldn't he i mean he can go on until he's 40 years old he's a good fighter he fought uh he gave a

01:21:33good hard brisk effort tonight no reason that he shouldn't go on um as for tony all you can say is

01:21:41as we said earlier he's young he's strong and he doesn't know how to lose well we'll see more of

01:21:47james tony for sure whether he stays at the middleweight level for another championship fight

01:21:52or goes up to 168 pounds and tries for iran barkley as he has talked about doing i really don't

01:21:58understand that he has the body of a pure middleweight he may have to suffer a little bit for

01:22:04his art in his training but he ought to be to stay here just as marvin haggler did he's now had about

01:22:11seven title defenses he can go on and be a real force in boxing maybe a star maybe a pay-per-view kind of

01:22:19fighter if some of those other middleweights out there will get in the ring with him

01:22:23i think he just it's just too hard for him to train but he is a middleweight he should stay a

01:22:30middleweight and could wind up as the best middleweight since haggler i'll bet you bob

01:22:34arum will say the same thing to him tonight news of boxing from this week final details finally put

01:22:39together for the november 13 riddick bow versus evander holyfield heavyweight championship fight

01:22:45and in light of that larry it's time for you and i to reflect back to some words that we offered to

01:22:49the audience before our recent telecast of beau versus pierre kutzer we talked about the long

01:22:55campaign against apartheid that uh rock newman the manager of riddick bow had mounted in the months

01:23:02leading up to the fight tying that of course to the fact that kutzer is a south african and rock

01:23:07newman took great offense at some of the comments we made and i just want to say looking back that upon

01:23:13reflection we never should have belittled or disparaged newman's stance against apartheid which is

01:23:19serious significant and deserves to be treated as such although he did send a fighter to fight in

01:23:25south africa when there was a worldwide boycott on that doesn't mean that he doesn't genuinely feel

01:23:33for the injustices that go on there and we ought to make that uh clear no reason to believe that he's

01:23:40faking it and we want to give him the best of that and together we look ahead to the november 13

01:23:45riddick bow versus evander holyfield title fight as does of course rock newman right now it's time to

01:23:51look ahead to something that you'll see later on this evening on hbo gary shandling's brand new

01:23:57talk show show the larry sanders show no shows was a better punch than hbo's half-hour comedy series

01:24:04the larry sanders show starring gary shandling people magazine says it's the clear victor in the

01:24:10talk show wars i swear to god leno tried to hit me with one of his big cars the other day the larry

01:24:14sanders show starring gary shandling because the real show is what regular tv doesn't show i'll bet

01:24:20he's like that twit leno doesn't think he needs a sidekick tonight join the talk show wars and go a

01:24:25couple of rounds with the larry sanders show starring gary shandling right after a brand new episode of

01:24:30dream on tonight only on hbo take the night show an hour before he came waltzing in here i'm surprised

01:24:37you didn't smell leno's clone on a little rat faster an insiders look at a network television talk show

01:24:44the kind of program that could only come your way on hbo later tonight both eastern and pacific time

01:24:50here on hbo so now we wrap up details from what was a tough tactical difficult to score ibf middleweight

01:24:59championship fight in which james tony of ann arbor michigan retained his title with a majority

01:25:05decision over the great veteran mike mccallum winner by majority decision tony retaining his title

01:25:12looking ahead to perhaps bigger and better things here on hbo in either the middleweight or the super

01:25:18middleweight division tony the winner in a fight in which mccallum landed more punches by our count

01:25:24and could have been given the call it seemed to us by judges just as easily coming up immediately

01:25:30following tonight's coverage of world championship boxing on hbo stay tuned for dream on on the east

01:25:35coast and boys in the hood on the west coast and be sure to join us thursday september 10 for the

01:25:40premiere of hbo's inside the nfl pro football's most informative hour every week as hosts len dawson nick

01:25:47guanaconte and chris collinsworth provide the initial analysis of each week's matchups throughout the nfl

01:25:53and world championship boxing continues four weeks from tonight when wbc super welterweight champion

01:25:58terry norris defends his title against former welterweight champion simon brown live september 26

01:26:04right here on hbo so now for larry merchant george foreman harold letterman and the rest of our

01:26:10telecast crew we say so long from reno nevada where the executive producer of hbo sports is ross greenberg

01:26:19tonight's coverage of world championship boxing produced by rick bernstein and directed by mark

01:26:23payton the replay producers were david harman and kirby bradley feature producer kendall reed

01:26:28assistance to the producer adam burger dave leaps and arty curry the production manager was russell gabay

01:26:34and the technical supervisor robert hunter

01:26:46so

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01:27:14so

01:27:16so

01:27:54This has been a presentation of HBO Sports, the network of champions.

01:28:06Boxing means champions.

01:28:08Boxing means tradition.

01:28:10Boxing means HBO.

01:28:12Terrible Terry Norris, the WBC super welterweight champ.

01:28:15Is he the best biker pound for pound?

01:28:18Just ask Leonard, Curry and Taylor.

01:28:20Now it's up to Simon Brown.

01:28:22Simon says, put up or shut up.

01:28:25Norris vs. Brown, pound for pound.

01:28:28And there's only one place to see it.

01:28:29You know where it happens.

01:28:30Norris vs. Brown for the super welterweight crown.

01:28:33Live Saturday, September 26th on HBO.

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