- 7/8/2025
The language controversy in Maharashtra has escalated, with Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) workers protesting and allegedly assaulting non-Marathi speakers in Mumbai suburbs. This comes ahead of crucial municipal elections, raising questions about whether this is a genuine fight for Marathi pride or a political strategy. The Thackeray cousins, Uddhav and Raj, have united on this issue, while the BJP denies accusations of imposing Hindi. The Congress and NCP have taken a cautious approach so far. Critics argue this may be more about control of the BMC's large budget than language issues. The controversy has sparked debates about cultural identity, language policy, and political opportunism in Maharashtra. The issue of Marathi language and identity has resurfaced in Maharashtra politics, with opposition parties uniting against a government order on Hindi language education. Shiv Sena UBT leader stated the party's commitment to promoting Marathi while respecting other languages. The NCP accused the government of failing to address public concerns and provide concrete solutions for Marathi language promotion. BJP faces criticism over comments by MP Nishikant Dubey. The debate has reignited discussions on Marathi pride ahead of BMC elections, with speculation about potential alliances between Uddhav and Raj Thackeray. The issue highlights ongoing tensions between regional identity and centralized education policies.
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00:01The language wars have spilled onto the streets of Maharashtra and it now appears this is a fight to the finish.
00:08Clearly, as some analysts argue, an existential fight.
00:13Uddhav Thakre's victory or death war cry seems to have been taken to a level where non-Marathi speakers are being roughed up on the streets.
00:21Now, ahead of municipal elections, the Thakre brothers have united, is there merit in analysts saying that for them, it is a do or die battle in the upcoming municipal elections?
00:33But is this Marathi-Asmita war actually harming that cosmopolitan culture of Maharashtra?
00:41That's our focus on the show.
00:51Dharna, drama, and detentions.
01:00M&S on warpath for Marathi pride.
01:05Non-stop rampage by Thakre vandals.
01:13Street fight turns into political fight.
01:16Maha language war escalates.
01:22Big focus on India first.
01:29We keep India first, we get you all sides of the story for you to make up your mind.
01:34Because the question that we're asking, is there merit in the claim that's being made that Hindi is being forced down Maharashtra's throat as part of one nation, one language agenda of the BJP?
01:45Or is there merit in the argument that it's not about Marathi-Asmita, it's about the 75,000 crore rupee budget of the municipal corporation.
01:54And with these elections barely three to four months away, it's now an existential war, both for Uddhav Thakre and his cousin Raj Thakre.
02:02They've united to stoke this Marathi-Asmita fire for their political gains.
02:07We'll get you all sides of the story.
02:09I'm Gaurav Savant.
02:10As always, let's get started with the headlines on India first.
02:15A limited trade deal between India and the United States, likely to be announced in a few hours from now.
02:24Sources tell India today, agriculture and dairy products are not a part of this limited deal.
02:31The Narendra Modi government rejects, X's charge of press censorship says, never ask platform X to block Reuters' handles.
02:47IT ministry says, X was asked to immediately unblock the accounts.
02:51Pihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar's big woman outreach before elections.
03:0235% quota in government jobs for women from the state announced.
03:08Congress plays down CM vs. Devery Chief Minister fight in Karnataka.
03:18This even has more MLA's demand that DK Shiv Kumar now be made the Chief Minister.
03:24Tragic accident in Kadalor in Tamil Nadu.
03:33Three students killed.
03:34Their school bus ran.
03:36A train collided.
03:37DMK alleges, railway, gate man did not understand Tamil site's language barrier.
03:44The suburb of Thane, Mumbai suburb Thane, came to a virtual standstill.
03:56The Maharashtra language war spilled onto the streets.
04:00Maharashtra Navnirmar Sena workers, their march to Mumbai was halted by the administration.
04:07But the politics, nothing's halting that.
04:09That's escalating.
04:09In fact, Raj Thakre's Maharashtra Navnirmar Sena workers have been on the rampage against non-Marathi speakers with Mumbai civic polls approaching.
04:21The Brehan Mumbai Municipal Corporation, the Municipal Corporation elections approaching in Maharashtra.
04:27Is the Marathi pride being exploited in this existential battle of the Thakre's for power?
04:34We bring you more in this report.
04:39Mumbai suburb Meera Bhayander came to a standstill on Tuesday afternoon.
04:47With the Marathi language war spilling onto the streets.
04:50The large number of eminence workers were gathered here.
04:56The situation was getting out of hand.
04:58And this was not a very legit protest, according to the police, which had not given them the permission.
05:05And that's one of the reasons why, you know, the detention of these people took place in large numbers.
05:12Workers of Raj Thakre's Maharashtra Navnirmar Sena were on the warpath against local traders,
05:19who had been protesting against the assault of a food stall owner for not speaking Marathi.
05:24The plan was to march to Mumbai, but the local police detained eminence workers.
05:43Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis says eminence workers did not follow the permitted route.
05:49The language war, though, seems to have divided a wedge between the ruling Mahayuti Alliance.
06:09Shiv Sena leader Pratap Sanik joined the M&A's protest.
06:16While the battle over Marathi pride raged on in the streets, political war of words also escalated.
06:37BJP MP Nishikaran Dube launched a blazing attack on M&A's chief Raj Thakre.
06:43He said,
06:45He said,
06:50I have always told you that when you are in your house or in Maharashtra, you are very big boss,
07:00then come on, come on Uttar Pradesh, come on Tamil Nadu, we will kill you.
07:07The escalation comes days after the big Thakre reunion.
07:37Marathi and Maratha Pride has taken centre stage days before Mumbai's civic force.
07:58But how can gundaism and violence be justified?
08:03Vidya Nthane, Bureau Report, India Today.
08:07But this isn't the only instance. Let me show you another video.
08:14So, there was massive outrage after the video of a Maharashtra Navnirmaar Sena leader's son,
08:20apparently drunk and not just on par, went viral.
08:24India Today relentlessly showed you the report of Rahil Shaikh.
08:30Now, an FIR has been filed against Rahil Shaikh.
08:32He is the son of Maharashtra Navnirmaar Sena State Vice President Javed Shaikh.
08:36He has been grilled for several hours and apparently he has now confessed he was driving under the influence.
08:43The question remains, is adequate police action being done in terms of taking a blood sample and proceeding legally,
08:50or will it just remain action because there is pressure right now.
08:55We bring you more in this report.
08:57Drunk, half-naked, abusive, flaunting his dad's political power.
09:04This is how Rahil Shaikh, son of Eminence Vice President Javed Shaikh made the news.
09:11Drunk, half-naked, abusive, flaunting his dad's political power.
09:17This is how Rahil Shaikh, son of Eminence Vice President Javed Shaikh made the news.
09:23Ramming his car into that of a woman and threatening her when confronted.
09:30After India Today's relentless coverage, Mumbai police was forced to act.
09:35Rahil was grilled for six hours, with daddy dearest sitting right beside him.
09:40And finally Rahil cracked, admitting to drinking and misbehaving.
09:46Now claims he regrets it.
09:49But the woman he abused, influencer Rajeshri Moreh, isn't buying the sorry act.
10:01Backed by Shiv Sena leader Sanjay Nirupam, she has filed a fresh complaint alleging threat
10:07cause from MNS workers trying to silence her.
10:10An F.I.R. has now been registered on charges of drunken driving, rash and negligence.
10:33Behaviour, outraging a woman's modesty and endangering public safety.
10:45जिए जो इंसिडेंट हुआ था, उससे रिलेटेड पुलीस ने एफार ली है.
10:53But unfortunately, जितने भी sections है, सारे available offenses है.
10:57जितने भी offenses है, सारे available है, तो जो भी कारवाई, जिस तरह की सक्व कारवाई होनी चीए थी, वो नहीं हुई है.
11:04तो अभी उनका 164 का statement वगरे record होने के बाद चार्चीट फाइल होगी, case तो रहेगा.
11:11राजश्री मुरे मैडम के साथ कल परसो जो दुर्वेभार किया गया, एक नौजवान शराब की नशा में धुट था, अर्धनगन था.
11:21और वो मनसे का नाम लेके इनको लागातार गाली दे रहा था, धंकी दे रहा था, आज हम यहां पे मुरे मैडम को लेकर यहां आए हैं, ताकि सरकार की तरफ से, पुलिस की तरफ से म्याए मिले.
11:34The evidence is on tape. The police knows the culprit. Now Maharashtra wants to know, will this VVIP brat be punished or will power win again? Bureau Report, India Today.
11:51So is beating a non-Marathi-speaking food stall owner the road to power in Maharashtra? Is that Marathi Asmita all about?
12:01Now traders versus MNS, Shiv Sena, UBT supporters, where are the Congress and the NCP in all of this?
12:08And when Uddhav Thakre and Raj Thakre join forces, is it actually for Marathi Asmita or is it a desperate move for survival?
12:14All about municipal elections. Joining me on this India first special, China NC represents the Shiv Sena.
12:21Anish Gawande is the spokesperson of NCP Sharad Pawar.
12:24Sushma Andhari joins me as deputy leader and spokesperson of the Shiv Sena.
12:29UVT Sahil Joshi is managing editor and a person on ground on the story.
12:33But my first question is to Rajdeep Sardesai, our consultant editor.
12:37And few people understand Maharashtra and Gujarat and Goa and politics of our country better than Rajdeep Sardesai.
12:44Rajdeep, welcome.
12:47Your take on this, is this a do or die both for Raj Thakre and Uddhav Thakre?
12:53As Uddhav Thakre put it, victory or death?
12:56And that is why we see this action on ground?
12:58I think, Gaurav, you've got to see this at multiple levels.
13:01Certainly, you've got to see it at one level as the political coming, as the coming together of the Thakre brothers
13:07for ensuring their continuing political relevance ahead of the BMC elections.
13:14To unite in a way the Marathi Manus of Mumbai in particular, using language as a weapon,
13:21thereby hoping to consolidate that Marathi vote and achieve a measure of success in the BMC election.
13:29So, the politics is very clear.
13:32This is primarily in that sense about a political consolidation,
13:36an attempted political consolidation of the Marathi vote.
13:40But let's also be clear that there are cultural dimensions to what is happening that cannot be ignored.
13:47For the longest time, and this goes back to Mahasayb Thakre, who started the Sons of the Soil movement,
13:53a belief that Maharashtians, in a way, are getting pushed to the margins, are not getting their due.
14:00Earlier, it was about jobs.
14:02Now, it's about language.
14:04And therefore, that is being used, in a way,
14:07to try and create a sense of cultural pride or cultural assertiveness,
14:13using language as a weapon again.
14:16So, there is the political angle, Gaurav,
14:19but let's also not forget the cultural angle, just as we've seen in other states.
14:23We've seen it in Tamil Nadu.
14:25We've seen it in Karnataka.
14:28I think the manner in which Hindi was being seen to be imposed on students from class 1 to 5,
14:35gave an opportunity for the two Senas to come together and say,
14:40Marathi is being marginalized at the cost of Hindi.
14:43Imagine, this is happening where Lokmanya, Balganga, Dhar Tilak, and the freedom struggle spoke of Devnagari script, Marathi,
14:50and Hindi uniting the entire country, way back in 1905, and what's happening in 2025.
14:57But Rajdeep, was the BJP actually trying to force this one nation, one language,
15:02through the now revoked order of Hindi being the optional third language?
15:07Look, it is an order which has been brought, which was attempted to be brought across the country,
15:13under their new education policy.
15:16It's not just limited to Maharashtra, but the manner in which, the manner in which it is sought to be implemented
15:22has led to some kind of a pushback because it's a perceptional issue.
15:26If you see the speeches that the Thakres are making, they are claiming we are with Hindutva,
15:31but that doesn't mean that we are with Hindi.
15:33So, somewhere there is this fear that through this Hindi, Hindu, Hindutva,
15:38you are bringing in an element of uniformity using language to try and across the country
15:45make Hindi the national link language.
15:48Now, the government may be well-intentioned, but the truth of the matter is,
15:52it also then in certain states gives an opportunity to linguistic chauvinists to say,
15:59what about the regional language? We want regional language first, Hindi should be optional.
16:05So, I think the manner in which it has played out on the ground has given an opportunity to the Senas.
16:10I do not for a moment agree with the violence and the thuggish behavior, Gaurav.
16:15Let's be very clear, unacceptable.
16:17You cannot thrash someone simply because he or she doesn't speak Marathi.
16:22That's unacceptable. That's a violation of the law.
16:24But you also have to recognize that there will be an element of cultural assertiveness,
16:30of regional assertiveness, if you are seen to be pushing a language without consultation, without consensus.
16:38But imagine more than a hundred years ago, Lokmanya Tilak was trying to push one nation, nationalism.
16:44No, no, no, one minute, one minute.
16:45Nationalism, Hindi to unite this entire nation against the British.
16:49And now we don't want that national unity, you know, in this...
16:52Can I briefly disagree with you?
16:55Please.
16:56Lokmanya Tilak brought out Kesari.
16:58What was the language?
17:00Marathi in Devanagari.
17:02Lokmanya Tilak started...
17:03In Devanagari.
17:04No, no, one minute.
17:05But Lokmanya Tilak's newspaper was in Marathi.
17:08Lokmanya Tilak's speeches were in Marathi primarily.
17:12Primarily.
17:13Lokmanya Tilak brought about the idea of a Sarvajanik Ganesh Utsav to unite people.
17:18He may have tried to unite people on the basis of, you could argue, their religious identity using religious festivals like Sarvajanik Ganesh Utsav.
17:27But he was very conscious of the Maharashtran culture and Maharashtran identity.
17:31That's the point.
17:32My point is both should ideally coexist.
17:34Yes.
17:35No, but you see, if the government of the day is accused by the Senas today of not doing enough for Marathi, of not doing enough to promote Marathi, then I think it is the duty of the government to ensure that Marathi also gets its due place.
17:52But are they promoting Marathi or are they promoting themselves or seeking to promote themselves, just riding piggyback on Marathi Asmita and just till municipal elections?
18:02Because many analysts have argued and you would understand this better and can explain this better.
18:07Is it all for the control of that 75,000 crore rupee budget of the BMC?
18:10Look, Gaurav, if you remember, right at the very outset, I said this is primarily about a political power game.
18:20Uddav Thakre, after the defeat in the November assembly elections, is desperately keen to regain some element of clout.
18:27The BMC is critical.
18:29The Shiv Sena has controlled BMC for 30 years.
18:31You've got Raj Thakre, who's keen to re-establish his political relevance when he's been pushed to the margin.
18:38Just got 1.5% of the vote in the assembly elections.
18:42And you've got Eknat Shinde.
18:43Don't forget that.
18:44Eknat Shinde is the one who has emerged in a way as claiming, I am the true inheritor of the Shiv Sena and Marathi Thakre's legacy.
18:52So the Thakre brand also has in some way got damaged, diluted by recent election defeats, particularly in the assembly elections.
19:00How do I restore the brand?
19:02Try and go back to what it claims to have originally stood for, sons of the soil.
19:06So the politics is there, Gaurav.
19:08I am saying both are there.
19:09You have to explore the political angle, but you cannot ignore the dimension of cultural identity and assertiveness, not just in Maharashtra, but in different parts of the country.
19:19Absolutely.
19:20And where are the Congress and the NCP, Sharad Pawar, in this?
19:24What are their considerations, Rajdeep?
19:26That's a very interesting question.
19:27The Congress is clearly caught between a rock and a hard place.
19:33How does the Congress, which wants to reestablish itself in North India, align itself to a political agenda and a cultural agenda that is in any way seen at the moment to be anti-Hindi?
19:45So if the Congress were to share a platform, let's say with the MNS, or indeed, if the SENA UBT was to take the same stride and stand as the MNS is taking, can the Congress really be seen on the same platform, especially when Bihar is going to the polls in four, five months from now?
20:00Unlikely.
20:01So the Congress is caught in a bind.
20:03On the other hand, they want to preserve their MV Alliance.
20:05So they are playing it very cautiously.
20:07The NCP, on the other hand, somewhere hopes that if regional pride or regional aswita spreads or becomes a more attractive option, then they also will indirectly benefit because they are primarily a party of Maharashtra.
20:24But I doubt that in today's Maharashtra, this agenda can succeed pan across the state.
20:32But there are pockets of Mumbai, as we are seeing, where the Marathi Manus is in large numbers.
20:38In any case, let me tell you and the viewers, Marathi speaking people have never been a majority in Mumbai for over a century and beyond, about 40-42%.
20:48So how do I consolidate that 40-42%?
20:52NCP doesn't have much of a stake in Mumbai.
20:54So they are happy to watch this play out and hope that the Devendra Fatnavi's government is embarrassed by it.
20:59All of this is, therefore, at one level about pure politics.
21:03But at another level, language, and we've not for the first time, is also used as a weapon for cultural assertiveness.
21:12It indeed is.
21:13And Rajdeep, we'll track the story closely.
21:16I now want to throw this open for a wider discussion.
21:18Rajdeep, many, many thanks for joining me here on India First.
21:21China NC, let me now bring you in.
21:25BJP and Shiv Sena's Iknat Shinde faction.
21:27Now, are you trying to force Hindi down Maharashtra's throat?
21:32Because this is a battle for Marathi Asmita versus what is being seen as this rising power of Gujaratis, North Indians, and outsiders in Mumbai and Thane.
21:41Baurav, at the outset, let me please say that our party and our leader, Iknanji Shinde, has made it amply clear that we stand for Marathi.
21:50There is no compromise when it comes to Marathi.
21:53But isn't it ironical that you asked me this question?
21:56When the National Education Policy 2020, which was recommended by Dr. Marshall Kerr, this committee came and suggested that Marathi English Hindi be taught from class 1 to class 12.
22:08And it was then on January 27th, 2022, that Udav Thagre, the then chief minister, during his cabinet meeting, adopted the policy.
22:20Now, if you cut to Chatsais and you come to the recent scenario, I mean, obviously, the timing is suspect.
22:27The motive is suspect because you have two factions of the Ubata Sena and the Manse, which have no political relevance left.
22:34And they are thinking of coming together and using Marathi.
22:39Now, I use the word using Marathi, you know, just before the upcoming civic polls, which is not not the actual intent.
22:49As far as we are concerned, we are very, very clear, whether it is Eknat Shinde or Devendra Farnivis, they have made it amply clear on multiple occasions that law and order will be maintained in the state of Maharashtra.
23:01We respect Marathi language clearly.
23:04We respect the people, the culture.
23:06It's a non-negotiable.
23:08But at the same time, if you believe that you can encourage people, we do want people to speak Marathi.
23:13Let me bring in Sushma Ji for more on this.
23:17Stay with me.
23:18I also want to bring in Sahil on whether, what's the traction on ground.
23:22But Sushma Ji, is beating up non-Marathi speakers the only way to win elections and not on the basis of work that may have been done since Shiv Sena was in power in BMC?
23:37Government has a very lying spoke person.
23:41We are saying that we are saying that we are saying that we are saying that we are not only Mahapalika, we are Marathi, we are Maharashtra, we are Mumbai and we are the Matulsi Minata Ithakre.
24:01We are saying that UBTA has always been a staunch advocate for the pride, identity and right of the Marathi people.
24:12The Marathi language is not just a medium of communication, but the soul of Maharashtra's cultural heritage and identity.
24:18Recent discussions around language policies in our state have raised concerns and we want to make our position crystal and clear.
24:27Our core party stand is respect for Marathi, no opposition to other language.
24:32Shiv Sena UBT firmly believes that the Marathi language must be respected.
24:35Manse, you have seen what Maharashtra Navnirman Sena is doing, you are looking at people being slapped around.
24:42Yes, yes, yes, I am coming there.
24:45Shiv Sena firmly believes that the Marathi language must be respected, promoted and protected as the cornerstone of Maharashtra identity.
24:53We are not against any other language including Hindi or the diversity of India's linguistic heritage.
24:59However, we strongly oppose any attempts to undermine our marginalized Marathi in our old state.
25:07Every language has its place, but in Maharashtra, Marathi must hold its rightful prominence.
25:13But is it not?
25:15Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I am answering, I am answering.
25:19See, Shiv Sena has always been, we do not support violence, the current aggressive atmosphere in Maharashtra, particularly in Mumbai,
25:35over the Marathi language issue is preliminary due to the actions of Chief Minister and Home Minister Devendra Padapis.
25:42In a recent press conference, let me bring in Anish Gavande, I will come back to you.
25:45I am giving only three examples, please, please, let me clear.
25:51I am giving only three examples.
25:52At the moment I am bringing in Anish, I will just bring in Anish and Sahil for a moment for their opening comments
25:57because I want this to be a free-flowing conversation where everyone gets to say what they want to
26:02and let our viewers decide because, Anish, where is the NCP Sharad Pawar on this, you know, real issues of development, roads, infrastructure?
26:13Have they all taken a backseat in this very emotive issue of Marathi Asmita?
26:21Not at all, Gaurav.
26:22Firstly, thank you very much for having me on your show and good to see so many familiar faces today.
26:27Let me start off by saying that Marathi and Mumbai has always been an incredibly emotive issue.
26:34Multiple governments have recognised this and multiple governments have come up with various solutions to it.
26:39You cannot deny that there is public anger, right?
26:42Because people are being called Vernack, people are being called Ghati, they are being disrespected.
26:46The government's job is to ensure that these anxieties within people are controlled, are addressed.
26:53But what is our government doing today?
26:55The government is behaving like the opposition.
26:57You say there's a law and order problem, the state government is in their hands, the central government is in their hands,
27:02the BMC is currently being administered by them.
27:05How is there a law and order problem in Maharashtra?
27:07If there is a law and order problem in Maharashtra, you should address it.
27:10You should address the people beating up people for not speaking Marathi,
27:14but you should then also take action in the Badlapur case,
27:16where we've not seen any action against BJP trustees of a school where two children were sexually assaulted.
27:21You should also take action in the Pune-Porsh case, where somebody's out on bail.
27:25You should also take action in the Vaishnavi Hagavane dowry death case.
27:28So law and order has collapsed in Maharashtra, we've been saying this for a while.
27:32Now when it comes to the issue of language, this government has offered no concrete solutions.
27:36700 public libraries have shut down in the last five years.
27:39Marathi theatres are shutting down.
27:41Yesterday Pawar Sahib opened a new Marathi theatre in Alibad.
27:43The opposition has to do the job of the government today.
27:45This is the condition.
27:47And the biggest problem we have is with education.
27:49Today Supriya Dayo was in Azad Maidan.
27:51More than 5,000 teachers have been protesting in Azad Maidan.
27:54Nobody has covered it.
27:55Have you covered it today?
27:56I'd like to ask you in your headlines.
27:57Yeah, yeah.
27:58Sahil and his team in Mumbai thought they've covered it in a big way.
28:01TV channels covered it.
28:02No, no.
28:02But I'll, I'll, I'll, I'm, no, no.
28:04I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying this directly to you.
28:07But I'm saying this as a general trend, right?
28:09That when these issues get raised with the government, the government fails to acknowledge them.
28:13They have 82,000 crores to build the Shaktipit Mahamarga, which has more potholes than a road in Mumbai, which is an achievement by itself.
28:21But the 5,000 schools in Maharashtra they promised aid to have not been given up any.
28:26This government has failed to give any concrete solutions.
28:29I want to ask Shaina, who's a dear friend.
28:31Please tell me, what is the government doing?
28:33Okay, I'll get Shaina to respond to this because you've raised a direct point.
28:36But Sahil, is there, is there traction on ground on this Marathi Asmita pitch?
28:42You know, Shiv Sena, Shinde leader, you spoke to Pratap Sarnayek, a minister in the Iknath Shinde government is joining these protests.
28:52What's his reasoning?
28:55Well, Pratap Sarnayek had a very clear reason.
28:58And he thought that the agitation which was called out by the Marathi Ekikaran Samiti, not MNS, to be factual.
29:06And MNS and Shiv Sena UBT were part of it.
29:09He decided to be part of that as well.
29:11He thought that they had a right to protest and he should be part of it.
29:15And after that, he also mentioned to me when I spoke to him that the police action was completely unfounded and unnecessary.
29:25And according to him, even the chief minister, Devendra Farnavis, is also on the same page what he was trying to say at that particular time.
29:33Also, he was completely critical about Nishikant Dube, the BJP MP Nishikant Dube's statement.
29:40And not only him, but also the local leadership of the BJP was critical about Nishikant Dube's statement.
29:46Because they clearly understand the issue can turn into a completely emotive issue altogether.
29:53And also what Rajdeep was saying before.
29:56You know, he was trying to put the politics aside from the culture, the Marathi culture and the pride.
30:01And it has always, what we have seen is that the Marathi pride has always been followed by the politics played around the Marathi issue.
30:09We saw that, you know, the formation of Shiv Sena also, it's kind of an outcome of the Sayyukta Maharashtra movement.
30:17It started in 1955 and then eventually the Maharashtra state was carved out from the Bombay state and Mumbai became the capital of Maharashtra.
30:29So it has its own history.
30:30And whenever such kind of issues come up, you know, people revisit that history again and again.
30:37And everybody on this panel, including that of Shaina N.C., must be knowing about what happened in 1960, 1955.
30:46And then eventually followed up by the formation of Shiv Sena by Balasar Thakre.
30:50So now let's come to the issue at this point of time.
30:53You know, it all started with a government resolution, which we call an order by the state government of Maharashtra and the education department,
31:03which of course belongs to Shiv Sena at this point of time.
31:06The minister came out with an order saying that making Hindi compulsory from standard 1 to standard 4.
31:14And let me also tell our viewers that in Maharashtra, since many years, the Hindi has been taught as a third language from standard 5.
31:22Even I have done my schooling in Marathi medium and I have learned Hindi from standard 5 in state board schools in Maharashtra.
31:32You know, the point that you raised, Sahil, on Patak-Patakke, Nishikan Dubey's line, Shaina N.C.,
31:40wouldn't this put the BJP, Iknat Shinde, Shiv Sena, clearly on the back foot?
31:45Because this is where this could become a very emotive issue.
31:49And plus your own party leader joining and minister joining the protests.
31:55So, I want to say two, three things and I want to respond to the NCP spokesperson as well.
32:00You ask that what we have done. Let me please tell you that Eknat Shinde, when he was the chief minister,
32:05resolved and brought back displaced Marathi people to live in Mumbai.
32:10Whether it's fast-tracking, many delayed redevelopment projects across the state or the Abhijab Darja,
32:17the fact that Marathi has always been a priority, its people, its culture, etc., the list is endless.
32:23So, Marathi being the soul is something which is established and as Sahil said,
32:27it's part of our lifeblood and it comes so naturally to the Shiv Sena that we don't need to orchestrate
32:35or plan timing or plan moments to resurrect ourselves because we have championed this cause all along.
32:42You asked about Pratap Sarnayakji. Now, as a representative of public,
32:48if he goes for a cause which we all believe in without taking law into our hands,
32:54and it's not just the Marathi community that we respect, here it is suggesting that yes,
32:59other languages and cultures too can be respected, but as representatives of the state and of Mumbai
33:06and of Thane, Meera Road, etc., our representation there too in a movement is something which comes from the correct source.
33:15But the question you should be asking, Gaurav, here today is, what is the opposition doing?
33:22The opposition is only trying to constantly say that, oh, this is our cause.
33:29This is not a cause. This is a movement.
33:32This is the philosophy and the ideology of Hindu Ridae Samrat, Adhanaya Bala Sahib, Thakwe.
33:36And when Eknat Shindeji and this Shiv Sena says that we have opposed the compulsory Hindi policy,
33:45highlighting that Marathi pride is an identity and it's a non-negotiable,
33:51please also understand that Shindeji's stand has contributed to the government,
33:55the decision to withdraw the GR, whether it's Dada Pratap Sarnayakji,
33:59whether it's Devendra Farnamish, whether it's Eknat Shinde,
34:01this reflects not our importance, but our commitment.
34:07My wider question is, what is wrong in learning Hindi?
34:10Anish, you know,
34:11It's absolutely nothing, but it is optionality.
34:14It is optional. It is optional. It's a third language.
34:18What is wrong if Lokman, Balganga, Dhar Tilak, you know,
34:21thought it's a language that can unite the entire nation?
34:24Why this strong opposition in different parts of the country,
34:27unless it's only vote bank politics, Anish?
34:29It's political opportunism.
34:33Gaurav, you know, you gave me Lokmanya Turk.
34:37Let me quote Savarkar to you,
34:38which is very unlikely for an NCP, SP spokesperson,
34:41and say that Vinayak Damodar Savarkar,
34:44we Savarkar believed in Bhasha Shuddhi
34:46and said that Marathi was superior to Hindi
34:48because it was truer to its Sanskrit roots.
34:51And so we want to preserve that unique identity of Marathi.
34:54Nobody has any problem with Hindi.
34:55But when you start converting SSC schools into CBSE schools,
34:59when you embark upon a project to centralize education in Maharashtra,
35:03where decisions made in Delhi are thrust down the throats
35:06of lakhs of students across the state,
35:09where the degrees that they will soon get from schools controlled by the central government
35:12do not have the value that the paper that they're printed on.
35:17No, no, no, this is part of a wider project, right?
35:22I think the GR is certainly something,
35:24and I agree with China here,
35:25and I want to say that, in fact, on this one issue,
35:28you're seeing all regional parties being united.
35:31Yes, yes, and that is why, Sahil,
35:33the last 30 seconds I have on this part of the show,
35:35Sahil, till the BMC elections,
35:38is this likely to hot up even further,
35:41you know, identity politics be the passport to par for the Thakres?
35:49Well, actually, it looks like that the government miscalculated.
35:53They never thought that two Thakre brothers will be coming together,
35:57because it's the same Raj Thakre with whom Iktar Shinde was having a dinner
36:00and was planning to have an alliance with Raj Thakre
36:03so that, you know, he can have a better bargaining chip
36:06with the BJP for the upcoming BMC elections.
36:09Now that the two Thakre brothers have come together,
36:12you know, it is still,
36:13Uddav Thakre has already opened his cards.
36:15He is asking Raj Thakre to have an alliance.
36:18Whereas Raj Thakre has kept his cards close to his chest.
36:21And now both of them have literally forced the Shibsena
36:25to come out and say very clearly
36:28that they do not want the third language to be taught from Standard 1.
36:32And they have opposed this government resolution.
36:34Whereas it's only BJP who is saying at this point of time in Maharashtra
36:38that there is nothing wrong to teach Hindi from Standard 1.
36:41But now it looks like that,
36:43you know, the whole issue has gone beyond it.
36:45Now it has gone to the Marathi pride,
36:47the Marathi asmita.
36:49And it will turn out,
36:50it has rolled down into an alliance of two Thakre brothers.
36:55So in coming months,
36:56we'll get to know whether actually these two brothers
36:59come together, sit together,
37:01not only on a particular issue,
37:03but also to forge an alliance
37:05to fight election against Iknath Shindaya and the BJP.
37:09And Sahil and his team would be tracking that story
37:11very, very closely.
37:12Anish, I'm sorry,
37:13I don't have time.
37:13One last second.
37:17Okay, last 20 seconds.
37:18I can never say no.
37:19Go on, sir.
37:19I was just going to say,
37:20where's the BJP spokesperson today?
37:22Where's the BJP spokesperson today?
37:24That should tell you everything.
37:25Where's the BJP spokesperson today?
37:27Fair enough.
37:27Shaina, Anish, and Sahil for joining me here
37:31on this India First special broadcast.
37:33Many thanks in the run-up to BMC elections.
37:36Lots more on Marathi asmita, I'm sure.
37:38But on petrol and gas prices
37:41have been increased in Pakistan yet again.
37:44Pakistan is spending all the money it gets as arms,
37:47as it begs for money to buy weapons.
37:50And then it keeps increasing taxes and duties
37:53on gas and petrol.
37:56What's the reaction on ground?
37:57Look at what's happening on ground
37:59where people say their government is looting them.
38:02Listen in.
38:06Prices and discontent with the regime.
38:10Both are soaring in Pakistan.
38:13Fuel is on fire.
38:16Despite a global dip,
38:17petrol prices are 266.79
38:21Pakistani rupi per litre in Pakistan
38:24while diesel is now 272.98
38:28Pakistani rupi per litre.
38:32A late night hike in prices
38:34has Pakistani citizens up in arms.
38:39Hukumat نے mehengai کے مارے عوام پر
38:41petrol bum گرا دیا.
38:43یہ وہ bum ہے جو رات کو
38:44تین بجے کے قریب گرایا گیا.
38:45Pakistan میں petrol 8.36
38:48اور ڈیزل 10.39
38:49rupi per litre مہنگا ہو گیا ہے.
38:52But it is not just fuel.
38:54Pakistan plans to impose
38:56a 3.23 rupi per unit
38:58electricity surcharge
39:00for financial year 26
39:02to finance a 1.25 rupi
39:04trillion debt
39:05restructuring plan.
39:07Pakistani citizens
39:08are reeling
39:09under spiraling electricity bills.
39:15پہلے پلا کے ہوتا تھا
39:17سو وارڈ کا بلب جلاتے سے
39:18پھر ہم ٹی اوپلائٹ پہ آوے
39:20بجلی کام نستمار
39:21پھر انرجی پہ آوے
39:23پھر انرجی سیبر پہ آوے
39:24پھر LED پہ آوے
39:26بجلی اسی کٹ آئی ہے
39:28اونہ نے صرف بیلوز آیا
39:29وہ تو دے نہیں دینا
39:30ٹاکس
39:31پاکستان میں رہنا جوا ہے
39:33دیکھیں یہ لکھا ہوا ہے
39:33ساتھ اچھاری اکتالیس
39:34فیسر جو ہے
39:35نا آپ کو کمی کی گئی ہے
39:36میرا بل آتا تھا
39:37بارہ روپے یونٹ
39:38پچھلے دو مینے سے
39:39تین مینے سے سردیوں میں
39:40پکھا چلا ہے
39:41تو میرا یونٹ ہو گیا
39:42چالیس روپے پر یونٹ
39:43کتنا بل آیا
39:43میرا بل آیا پچیس ہزار پر
39:45بھائی جان
39:45یہ چورہ کمتے ہیں
39:46انہوں نے کوئی سستی بجلی
39:48نہیں کی ہے
39:48صرف ہم نے پانی کا کلر
39:50چل آیا دن رات
39:50گرمی سے پچھنے کے لیے
39:52یہ جب سے چورہ رہے ہیں
39:53تو انہوں نے
39:53ہمارے گلے میں پھندے
39:54ڈال دی ہیں
39:55انہوں نے
39:55سب جھوٹ ہے
39:55فراود ہے
39:56اس کے شکل
39:57میں تو یہ
39:58یقین مانو
39:59اس کے شکل
39:59دیکھے مجھے نفرت ہے
40:00سخت نفرت
40:01مریم صاحبہ کی
40:02مریم نواز کی
40:04جھوٹی ہو رہت ہے
40:05مکار ہو رہت ہے
40:06remember before the post
40:08the ppp and the pmln
40:10had vowed to cut
40:11electricity prices
40:12assuring free electricity
40:14below 200 units
40:15200 units
40:18سے نیچے نیچے جتنے لوگ ہیں
40:19ان کو مفت بجلی ملا کریں
40:21یہ بلاول پھٹو کا وعدہ ہے
40:23کہ 300 unit
40:26بجلی مفت
40:27300 unit
40:29بجلی ملے
40:30تو پھر
40:31پاکستانی
40:33کو اس پاچی
40:34کو کمیاب کریں
40:35the outrage is evident
40:37in پاکستانی میڈیا too
40:39میں تو کہتا ہوں
40:41ان پہ اتنا ظلم ہوں
40:43کہ مردے بھی اٹھ کھڑیں
40:44گبریں پھاڑ کے نکلائیں بھار
40:46otherwise یہ رکنا نہیں
40:48بڑی ترقی کر رہے ہیں
40:49بڑائیوں ہو رہا ہے
40:50بڑا بوں ہو رہا ہے
40:51وہ پہتا ہی نہیں
40:52دنیا کی رپورٹس
40:53کچھ اور کہہ رہی ہیں
40:53بازار میں جاؤ
40:54وہ کچھ اور کہہ رہا ہے
40:55ان کی باتیں سنو
40:57ان کے سوٹ بھوٹ دیکھو
40:58خدا کی قسم کراہتہ تھی
41:00بڑا بہتا ہے
41:02پاکستانی بہتا ہے
41:03پاکستانی بہتا ہے
41:04بہتا ہے
41:05بہتا ہے
41:06پاکستانی بہتا ہے
41:07پاکستانی بہتا ہے
41:09پاکستانی بہتا ہے
41:10پاکستانی بہتا ہے
41:11پاکستانی بہتا ہے
41:12Dr. Amjad Ayoob Mirza
41:18is an author
41:18and a rights activist
41:19from Pakistan-occupied
41:20Jammu Kashmir
41:21he joins us
41:21on this broadcast
41:22Sushant Sareen
41:22is a senior fellow
41:23of the Observer Research Foundation
41:25Dr. Mirza
41:25what's happening
41:27in Pakistan
41:27people seem to be
41:29very angry
41:29if you go by
41:30these reports
41:30but the government
41:32seems to be
41:33buying more weapons
41:34and systems
41:35and not food
41:36for people
41:36well a massive
41:39revolt is simmering
41:42under the surface
41:43of this public
41:45discontent
41:46and already
41:47there are
41:48public meetings
41:49being held
41:50everywhere
41:51across
41:51Pakistan
41:54where people
41:55are questioning
41:55the legitimacy
41:56of the defence budget
41:59the legitimacy
42:00of these
42:01recent increases
42:03in the salaries
42:05of parliamentarians
42:06recent increase
42:08in the salary
42:09of the speaker
42:11and the prime minister
42:13and those increments
42:15cannot be challenged
42:16in the parliament
42:17or in any court
42:17of law
42:18so people
42:19are really
42:20really angry
42:21at the moment
42:22the province
42:25of Khaybar
42:25Pakhtunkhwa
42:26KPK
42:27in short
42:28is in full
42:30rebellion
42:31they have given
42:33a deadline
42:33of 8th of July
42:35which is today
42:35that if
42:36Pakistan army
42:37does not withdraw
42:38from the checkpoints
42:39they will start
42:40an armed rebellion
42:41this was decided
42:42by the
42:43Dawud tribe
42:44by the
42:45Waziri tribe
42:46and by the
42:47Mehusud tribe
42:47and the same
42:49thing is happening
42:50in Balochistan
42:51yesterday
42:51six Pakistani
42:53military personnel
42:54were killed
42:55yes
42:55today
42:56today
42:57they
42:58brought
42:59Dr.
43:00Marang Baloch
43:01of Baloch
43:02Yogyati
43:02committee
43:02to the
43:03court
43:04and
43:04halfway
43:05instead of
43:07taking her
43:07to the
43:08normal court
43:09they took her
43:09to the
43:10anti-terrorism
43:11court
43:11and have
43:12issued a
43:1310-day
43:13judicial
43:14remand
43:15on the
43:15BYC leaders
43:16so
43:17there is
43:18political
43:19discontent
43:20now there is
43:20this
43:21price hike
43:22and people
43:23cannot
43:24simply
43:24afford
43:25to live
43:26anymore
43:27I mean
43:28Sushant
43:28there are
43:29many who
43:29say that
43:29the Pakistan
43:30army and
43:31government
43:31are behaving
43:32more like
43:32the East
43:33India
43:33company
43:33exploiting
43:35not just
43:35Balochistan
43:36exploiting
43:37not just
43:37Khyber
43:38Pakhtunkhwa
43:38but now
43:39even the
43:39people in
43:40Pakistan's
43:40Punjab
43:41province
43:41say
43:41that this
43:43government
43:43is a
43:43makkar
43:44government
43:44of words
43:45to that
43:45effect
43:45your
43:46appreciation
43:46of the
43:47ground
43:47reality
43:47giving
43:47the spiraling
43:48prices
43:49and yet
43:50the Pakistan
43:50army
43:51increases its
43:52budget and
43:52buys more
43:52weapons
43:53yeah because
43:55Gaurav the
43:57thing is that
43:57the Pakistan
43:58army rules
43:58the country
43:59they have
44:00suppressed all
44:02avenues for
44:03dissent
44:03political
44:04dissent
44:05the newspapers
44:06and the
44:07television and
44:08all other
44:09media is
44:10completely
44:11surveillance
44:12subservient to
44:13the Pakistan
44:13army so you
44:14only hear good
44:15news coming
44:16out but what
44:17is actually
44:18happening on
44:18the ground
44:19is not
44:20allowed to
44:21come out
44:21so let
44:22me give
44:22you a
44:22couple of
44:23numbers
44:23Pakistan is
44:24one of
44:24the few
44:24countries in
44:25the world
44:25where poverty
44:26has actually
44:27gone up
44:28almost 50%
44:30of the people
44:31perhaps even
44:32more have now
44:33fallen below the
44:34poverty line
44:34these are not
44:35my figures
44:36these are
44:37world bank
44:37figures right
44:38and figures of
44:39independent
44:39economists
44:40not Indian
44:41economists
44:41Pakistani
44:42economists
44:43Pakistani
44:43economists have
44:44also calculated
44:45that the rate
44:46of unemployment
44:47in Pakistan
44:48is now
44:49crossed 22%
44:51can you
44:51imagine 22%
44:53the power
44:55bills
44:56people you
44:56know you
44:57showed in
44:57your report
44:58the kind of
44:59power bills
44:59that are
44:59coming
45:00Gaurav you
45:01and I
45:02in Delhi
45:03Noida
45:03Gurgaon
45:04all these
45:05places
45:05at the margins
45:07which means
45:07that if you
45:08are consuming
45:09say even
45:09500 600 700
45:10units of
45:11electricity
45:12at the margins
45:13my bill is
45:147 rupees 50
45:15paisa per unit
45:16there about
45:17could go up
45:185-10
45:18paisa up
45:19and down
45:19you know
45:20what the
45:20bill in
45:21Pakistan
45:22would be
45:23if we
45:24were consuming
45:24the same
45:25amount of
45:25electricity
45:25per unit
45:26cost is
45:27close to
45:2770 rupees
45:28can you
45:29imagine that
45:30you've spoken
45:31about the
45:32bills of
45:34petrol bills
45:35there is no
45:37public transport
45:37so people
45:38have to buy
45:39fuel so that
45:40they can move
45:40from one place
45:41to another
45:41and then
45:42you have
45:43this entire
45:44Ashrafia or
45:45the elite
45:46which has
45:47captured the
45:47state in a
45:48way that
45:48people like
45:49Shahbaz Sharif
45:50and all
45:51these big
45:51wigs in the
45:52government
45:52have sugar
45:53mills
45:54they first
45:55export sugar
45:56at dirt
45:57prices
45:58then import
45:59sugar
46:00and make a
46:01killing over
46:02it
46:02okay so
46:03they are
46:04left and
46:05right
46:05looting the
46:06state along
46:07with the
46:08Pakistan army
46:09which is trying
46:09to grab as
46:10much properties
46:11for their
46:12generals and
46:13for their
46:13officer class
46:14as they
46:15can
46:15now when
46:16you have
46:16this kind
46:17of
46:17Dr. Mirza
46:17does the
46:19awam in
46:20Pakistan not
46:20see this
46:21that how
46:22even the
46:22Sharif brothers
46:23or the
46:24Bhuttos
46:24or the
46:25army
46:26milks them
46:27they have
46:27massive
46:28estates
46:28overseas
46:29and the
46:30people don't
46:31have enough
46:31for two
46:32square meals
46:32and yet
46:33is it just
46:34because they
46:35are fighting
46:35kafir Hindus
46:36of India
46:37they are
46:38willing to
46:38undergo this
46:39agony
46:39the awam
46:40no the
46:42awam know
46:42everything
46:43they have
46:44no leadership
46:45you know
46:46they have
46:46no direction
46:47and plus
46:48they are
46:49divided in
46:50different ethnic
46:51groups
46:51the Pashtun
46:52the Sindhis
46:52the Baloch
46:53the Pashtuns
46:55they are
46:55all divided
46:57and the Pashtun
46:58are fighting
46:58their own
46:59battle
46:59against Pakistan
47:01the Baloch
47:02are fighting
47:02their own
47:03independence
47:04movement
47:04there is
47:05an independence
47:06movement
47:06in Balochistan
47:08then Sindhis
47:09are also
47:09up in arms
47:11and the
47:13problem is
47:13that there
47:14is no
47:14one
47:16centralized
47:16leadership
47:17that could
47:18organize
47:20fight back
47:22and take
47:22the power
47:24from the
47:24military
47:25the main
47:26thing is
47:27military
47:27they control
47:28the economy
47:28they control
47:29the foreign
47:30affairs
47:31they control
47:31the parliamentary
47:32government
47:33everything is
47:34under the
47:34control of
47:35the military
47:35and now
47:37with this
47:38crisis
47:38I think
47:39that this
47:40crisis is
47:41going to be
47:42used as
47:42a precursor
47:43for
47:43Asim Munir
47:46to have
47:47an excuse
47:47that he
47:48has come
47:49in as a
47:49president
47:49to govern
47:51the country
47:52in a better
47:52way than
47:53the civilian
47:55government
47:56I don't
47:56know
47:56so are you
47:58saying
47:58are you
47:59saying
47:59Sushant
47:59Sareen
48:00is Dr.
48:00Mirza
48:01saying that
48:01we are
48:01about to
48:02hear
48:02another
48:03and this
48:05time from
48:05Asim Munir
48:06is he
48:06about to
48:07do a
48:07Musharraf
48:07in Pakistan
48:09or Zia
48:10and directly
48:11yeah
48:13I think
48:14it's a bit
48:14of a stretch
48:15to think
48:15that that
48:16is going
48:16to happen
48:16right now
48:17for a
48:18very simple
48:18reason
48:18you have
48:19a
48:20servile
48:20puppet
48:21as
48:21Shabazz
48:22Sharif
48:22who is
48:23the prime
48:23minister
48:24who is
48:24a
48:25yeah
48:27he will
48:27do
48:27whatever
48:28you know
48:28this guy
48:29Asim Munir
48:30asks him
48:30to do
48:31there will
48:31be no
48:31resistance
48:32none
48:32whatsoever
48:33now what
48:34is it
48:34that
48:34Asim Munir
48:35can do
48:36which
48:37Shabazz
48:37Sharif
48:38is not
48:38ready to
48:39do for
48:39him
48:39so what
48:40is the
48:40great
48:41shakes
48:41that you
48:42know
48:42he will
48:43accomplish
48:43if he
48:45takes over
48:46power
48:46directly
48:46they are
48:47controlling
48:47the economy
48:48the finance
48:49minister is
48:49their man
48:50basically
48:50they have
48:51set up
48:51something
48:51called
48:52the
48:52SIFC
48:53which
48:53decides
48:53everything
48:54which has
48:54not been
48:55able to
48:55attract
48:55a single
48:56paisa
48:56of investment
48:57but still
48:58controls
48:58you know
48:59where investments
49:00are going to
49:00come
49:01what new
49:01projects
49:02have to
49:02go
49:03all of
49:03that
49:04they control
49:04virtually
49:05everything
49:05so what
49:06is it
49:06that Asim
49:07Munir will
49:08take over
49:08direct reins of
49:09power and
49:10achieve which he
49:11cannot do
49:12through these
49:12puppets and
49:14let them take the
49:14fall for whatever
49:15decisions they make
49:16because it's no skin
49:18of his nose
49:18now if
49:19however
49:20things cross
49:22a tipping point
49:23I don't think
49:24the Pakistanis
49:25I don't think
49:26they have
49:26you know
49:27any guts
49:28or gumption
49:28to rise up
49:29and revolt
49:30against the
49:31rulers
49:31but assuming
49:33in the
49:33unlikely event
49:34something like
49:35that was to
49:35happen
49:36that is when
49:37the army
49:37could step
49:38in directly
49:38blame it
49:39all on the
49:40politicians
49:40and say
49:41that now
49:41we will
49:42take care
49:42of you
49:42but until
49:43that moment
49:44I am
49:45a little
49:46skeptical
49:46whether the
49:47army will
49:47take over
49:48directly
49:48if you have
49:49these kind
49:50of politicians
49:51who are ready
49:52to do boot
49:52polish at the
49:53drop of a
49:54hat
49:54why would you
49:55not let
49:55them do
49:56boot polish
49:56for you
49:57Dr. Mirza
49:58we have often
49:59heard
49:59that the
50:00revolution
50:01in Pakistan
50:01right from
50:02the 1950s
50:03and then
50:0360s
50:04and then
50:0470s
50:05is about
50:05to happen
50:05and everyone
50:06claps
50:07on
50:07they clap
50:11have a drink
50:11go back
50:12home and
50:12sleep
50:12can the
50:13Pakistanis
50:13ever rise
50:14against
50:15their army
50:15well firstly
50:17I agree
50:18with Sushant
50:19sir
50:19when he
50:20says that
50:20there is
50:21a very
50:22you know
50:22meager
50:23possibility
50:24of a
50:24military
50:25takeover
50:26and I
50:26agree
50:26because
50:27there seems
50:28to be no
50:29reason for
50:29them to
50:30come in
50:30when their
50:30dirty work
50:31has been
50:31done by
50:32Shabazz
50:32Sharif
50:33and other
50:33civilian
50:34politicians
50:35the answer
50:36to your
50:36question
50:36is another
50:37question
50:38what is
50:40Pakistan
50:40when you
50:41when Sushant
50:42sir and
50:42you say
50:43the people
50:44of Pakistan
50:45you know
50:46cannot do
50:46this or
50:47that
50:47what are
50:48you referring
50:48to
50:48which
50:49Pakistan
50:49Baloch
50:50are
50:50fighting
50:51Kushtun
50:52are
50:52fighting
50:52Indies
50:53are
50:53fighting
50:53so I
50:54don't
50:55understand
50:56I mean
50:56in Gilgit
50:56Baltistan
50:57more than
50:5840 of our
50:59leaders are
51:00behind bars
51:01because they
51:01are fighting
51:02for their
51:02rights over
51:04mineral
51:04and mines
51:06same as in
51:08Pakistani
51:08occupied
51:09Jammu
51:09Kashmir
51:09so when
51:10you say
51:10that
51:10Pakistani
51:11people
51:12who are
51:13these people
51:14you are
51:14referring
51:15to
51:15because I
51:16don't
51:16see
51:16those
51:17people
51:18which
51:19so if
51:19you can
51:20elaborate
51:20or Sushant
51:21sir can
51:21elaborate
51:22that
51:22will
51:22make
51:23my
51:23The Pakistani
51:23Punjabi
51:24Muslim
51:24of the
51:25Punjab
51:26province
51:26of Pakistan
51:27will he
51:27rise
51:28against
51:29the Pakistan
51:30army
51:30but perhaps
51:31Dr.
51:32sahab
51:32we will
51:32have to
51:33leave that
51:33answer
51:33for another
51:34debate
51:34because I
51:35have run
51:35out of
51:36time on
51:36this
51:36part
51:37of the
51:37Punjabi
51:39the
51:40Pakistani
51:40Punjabi
51:41Muslim
51:41the
51:42others
51:42are
51:42all
51:43already
51:43up
51:44in
51:44arms
51:44Dr.
51:45Mirza
51:45and
51:45Sushant
51:46Sareen
51:46as always
51:46many
51:47thanks
51:47for
51:47joining
51:47me
51:48we
51:48shall
51:48have
51:48this
51:49debate
51:49in
51:49the
51:49days
51:50and
51:50weeks
51:50ahead
51:51of