Niaga SPOTLIGHT: Pacific Trade Priorities: British Columbia and Malaysia

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Trade between British Columbia, Canada and Malaysia has seen significant growth, particularly in sectors such as clean technology, agriculture, aerospace, and electronics.   In December 2024, BC exported C$16.2 million worth of goods to Malaysia, with top exports including potassic fertilisers, wheat, and soybeans. Conversely, BC imported C$34.2 million from Malaysia, primarily integrated circuits and telecommunication equipment.  New industry frontiers include halal exports, green innovation, and joint ventures in carbon capture and EVs.   This NIAGA SPOTLIGHT Exclusive on Pacific Trade Priorities features Premier David Eby of British Columbia, Canada, discussing the recent strategic trade mission in Kuala Lumpur and what’s next for deeper BC-Malaysia trade relations.

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00:00Welcome to Nyaga Spotlight with me Tamina Khosgi covering the week in economic analysis and future

00:15affairs. Well today on future affairs it's an exclusive on Pacific trade priorities. Now

00:20let's frame that a little shall we? So Premier David Ibb of British Columbia touchdown in

00:24Kuala Lumpur from 5th to the 7th of June as part of a strategic trade mission that could redefine

00:29Canada-Malaysia relations. Coming off the heels of global tariff tensions, yes even a so-called

00:35Trump Liberation Day, Canada is rewriting its trade playbook and British Columbia is leading that

00:40charge. With game-changing deals like the CPTPP and the newly inked ASEAN-Canada Free Trade Agreement as

00:46well, trade between BC and Malaysia is surging from cleantech to soybeans, aerospace to integrated

00:53circuits. As Malaysia also chairs a bold 2045 economic vision for ASEAN, the synergy between

01:00these two Pacific partners is hard to ignore. And now eyes are also turning to new industry frontiers,

01:05the halal industry, green innovation, joint ventures in carbon capture and possibly even EVs. So what's

01:12next for this Trans-Pacific Alliance? Well let's hear it straight from the source. It's an absolute pleasure

01:18and to have on the show today in an exclusive Nyaga Spotlight interview, British Columbia's Premier,

01:23His Excellency David Eby. Excellency, it's excellent to have you with us here. It's excellent to be here.

01:29Thank you for having me. It's lovely to be on the show. Thanks for your interest. Not at all. So it's a

01:34very quick stop off for you and the trade mission from British Columbia in Kuala Lumpur. But Premier Eby,

01:39tell me a little bit about the British Columbia-Malaysia economic synergy to start off the discussion.

01:45Well this, I mean this is the first visit. It's my first visit to Malaysia, my first visit to Kale,

01:50but you know I think it's definitely not going to be the last. One of the clear messages we've

01:55received is there's a real interest here among business in Kale to have more involvement with

02:01Canada. We started our meetings with Petronas for example. Petronas is one of the proponents of a

02:08major project in British Columbia. It's the largest private sector investment in our province's history.

02:14It's a very big deal for us in British Columbia, an LNG project that will result in direct shipments

02:19to Asia from our province that faces out to the Pacific Ocean, to Japan, to Malaysia,

02:25and across the ASEAN. And it's very exciting for us and it opens the door to additional clean energy

02:31investments, including related to ammonia and many other business ventures that we're quite excited

02:37about. So it's a very exciting time for Malaysian-Canadian relations and we're thrilled

02:43to be at the front of the march here coming down to Malaysia and having those meetings to advance

02:48those conversations and ultimately those investments both in BC and in Malaysia.

02:52Absolutely. I think it's also a very exciting time that the BC trade mission is down in Malaysia,

02:57hot on the heels of the ASEAN Summit, which was the week before that. So I think you'd also mentioned a

03:02little bit about green tech. So let's talk a little bit about how perhaps Malaysia's green transition

03:08can also be, you know, anchored upon to look at clean tech collaborations with everything that's

03:13been happening in British Columbia as well, especially under your administration.

03:17Yes, one of the things that's really been nice about the meetings we've been having is

03:20so many shared values that we have with Malaysia. The discussions around addressing climate change,

03:27reducing pollution, the challenges with wanting to electrify your economy here, exactly what we're

03:34trying to do at home as well. So finding those synergies around technologies that can address

03:38demand side where we're reducing industrial and residential electricity use to free it up for other

03:45projects, but also increase generation and feed things like data centres and congratulations on your

03:50recent announcements related to so many data centres here. These are the kind of shared challenges and

03:55opportunities where we're going to be able to work together very closely with Malaysia.

04:00In addition, the issue of carbon capture, knowing that we're going to be dependent on fossil fuels

04:05for some time yet, how do we make sure that we're really mitigating the impact? So that's why we're proud

04:09of the energy products that we bring in from British Columbia, because we have clean hydroelectricity.

04:15When we produce these fuels, we have a lower carbon footprint than many other places. And also,

04:20we're very much at the frontier of addressing the emissions related, whether it's rogue methane

04:25emissions from production, as well as upstream electrifying the gas fields, for example.

04:29Exactly. And I think not just Malaysia, but this also brings into bigger perspective the fact that

04:34ASEAN is really ready for this kind of collaboration and partnerships. Tell us a little bit about also

04:40expanding trade opportunities across the ASEAN and the ASEAN++ region as well, and British Columbia's

04:45are holding this. Well, Malaysia's leadership in sharing was very apparent to us in Canada. We,

04:52obviously as a country, have signed these important free trade agreements in the region,

04:56which really opens the door to many partnerships. So our visit here, I hope, is a bit of a base for

05:03us to be able to build across the region. One of the challenges I think that we've had in British

05:09Columbia related to Malaysia is it's not been a country that's been front of mind for businesses.

05:15We're so close to the United States. And so that has been the first thought. And the second thought

05:20is maybe China and maybe Japan. But what we're really encouraging our businesses to do in the

05:26province is to think across the whole of the ASEAN area so that we can build a diversified trade

05:33portfolio. So if we have challenges with the US, if we have challenges with China, British Columbia

05:39doesn't get squished in the middle. We have many trade relationships that provide us that resilience.

05:44So whether it's critical minerals, production of nickel, molybdenum, copper, rare earth elements,

05:51which we have in significant reserve, and we're quite expert at mining, whether it's any of these

05:56or clean energy products, tech products, AI services that we're able to provide, this opportunity that's

06:04present in this region growing so quickly, economies growing so quickly, clearly where the center of gravity

06:11is right now. We want to be involved directly as British Columbians and as Canadians.

06:16Absolutely. And I think ASEAN also resonates with that, including Malaysia, of course,

06:20trying to, of course, get above the tariff wars, trade wars, and also bolster economic growth in the

06:26region. Now, of course, as how do you envision perhaps within the next three to five years as the

06:32frameworks of these newly signed agreements mature? What is the direction, ideally speaking?

06:37Well, for us, you know, often our relationships start with food, and that's probably no surprise

06:43in Malaysia. I had durian last night, and I'm actually a fan, but not everyone in our group was,

06:48but I quite enjoyed it.

06:50Glad to hear you got to try it. Absolutely. It was a very real kale experience. But for us,

06:55food is often our entree. You know, British Columbia food has a reputation of being particularly safe,

07:00well-produced, and healthy, and so it's in demand. And so some of our major exports are things like

07:06sweet cherries, seafood products, milk products, agricultural products from our province that provide

07:14that entree and that introduction to British Columbia that allows additional value-added

07:18products to come later. So I actually brought the agriculture minister, Elena Popham, with me

07:24on this visit. And some of the things we're doing, just basic things like going to the supermarket,

07:29talking with the buyers, saying, what are the challenges? And it turns out that although our ports

07:33are closer to Malaysia, many of our food products end up, because halal is certified in Ontario,

07:39which is in the middle of the country, end up going out of the eastern ports instead of out of the

07:42western port. So identifying issues like that, where we can get halal certification in British

07:46Columbia and ship directly closer to Malaysia, that's going to help us and it's going to ultimately

07:51help Malaysian consumers with more selection and hopefully with food prices as well.

07:55Absolutely. I mean, Malaysia's halal market valued in Canadian is about one billion Canadian dollars.

08:01That's the entire value of the halal export market. So I think that would be an incredible

08:05opportunity also considering the fact that you do actually have a growing significant minority Muslim

08:11population that definitely has a market for these goods as well. So moving from there into,

08:16let's look a little deeper into maybe halal industry collaboration potentials. Some thoughts on this,

08:21Premier Ibi? Well, I've learned from your Commissioner, your Council General in British Columbia,

08:28about the massive halal trade fair that takes place here in Malaysia. That's right. And that provides a

08:33two-way benefit for British Columbia. As you say, we have a growing Muslim population in the province

08:39that's looking for products from around the world and would be interested in products produced

08:42in Malaysia and other places. So buyers are going to be able to access through that market. But we're

08:47also going to bring a delegation of BC businesses to that trade fair for the first time coming up in

08:52the fall. Our hope is to be able to introduce those businesses to buyers from around the world that

08:58are interested in halal products from British Columbia. And so again, you see that benefit flowing both

09:03ways of increased selection and hopefully reduce prices for people as they face the challenges of

09:09food inflation. The benefits of our trade agreements have really not even, we haven't even scratched

09:15the surface. And so we really need to start taking advantage of those agreements together and building

09:21each other up, especially in the face of major challenges geopolitically right now. Absolutely. I think

09:25when we think of geopolitical challenges, what always comes up is the pressures on food systems.

09:30I think another hidden dimension that perhaps is not yet being discussed, perhaps because it's not yet

09:36urgent enough, is how bird flu has been spreading quite rapidly across North America. But coming back

09:41into halal as well, perhaps other opportunities for development could also lie in the integration of

09:47halal standards into digital platforms, because it's all about actually pushing forth and ensuring that

09:52the trade occurs, whether it is online or offline as well. Another point to make is also that Malaysia's

09:58halal certification is recognized in over 150 countries. So that might be something that could

10:04serve as a potential gateway for British Columbia companies to then move forth in the future.

10:10Absolutely. This is an area that certainly is a growing one in British Columbia and it's one of

10:15very much of interest for our government. You mentioned the financial side, you know, some of the conversations

10:21we're having in the province is ensuring that we have halal compliant mortgages that we're able to offer

10:25at the provincial level for the growing population in the province. You know, so as that population grows

10:32in British Columbia and has some consumer power, we're starting to see a shift in policy to meet the

10:38demands and expectations of people in British Columbia. And part of that means deepening relationships

10:42with other countries like Malaysia. Absolutely, deepening relationships indeed. There's actually the

10:47global demand for halal products and the latest figures are that it's projected to reach about

10:52five trillion USD and that would be by 2030, which is five short years. It's a big number. It's a huge

10:58number. You just need a small piece of that for me to say. Exactly, absolutely. I think it's been an

11:02excellent and most insightful discussion. And so far, Premier Eby, we take a short break and we'll be right

11:07back to the discussion on Nyaga Spotlight in a minute.

11:31Welcome back to Nyaga Spotlight. Still with me, Tamina Kausji. And today, of course, we're discussing

11:34Pacific trade priorities with a Nyaga Spotlight exclusive interview with Premier David Eby of

11:39British Columbia, Canada. Premier Eby, so moving deeper into the conversation around sustainability

11:45and green innovation. So let's dig deeper. Now, British Columbia and Malaysia are both advancing

11:51really ambitious sustainability goals. In what ways is your government encouraging joint innovation or

11:56investment in green industries in particular? That's a great question. So in British Columbia,

12:01we're known for a couple of things that are related to green and sustainability in terms of industry.

12:07One is our wood products. You know, we believe strongly that there's a huge opportunity to reduce

12:13dependency on concrete as well as steel that can be quite carbon intensive. We have wood products,

12:20including cross-laminate timber and engineered wood beams that can replace steel beams and concrete

12:26construction in many different areas. Part of it is our responsibility as a wood producer to educate

12:32builders and engineers about how to use these products that can reduce the carbon footprint of

12:36buildings and increase affordability. And we have to do this because this sector has been under particular

12:42attack from the United States, specifically from the President of the United States, with additional

12:46duties. So expanding markets for us is very important. The secondary is hydrogen. There's a company called

12:52Ballard Fuel Cells that was the innovator of hydrogen fuel cells. And as a result, we have a cluster of

12:59hydrogen companies in British Columbia. We're known for that. Hydrogen provides the possibility of, especially

13:05for medium-duty transport, to decarbonize that sector, be less reliant on diesel fuel, but also when

13:14turned into ammonia to reduce the dependence on coal for coal-fired power plants and for steel production as well.

13:21So there are many areas for us to collaborate with Malaysia.

13:26Some of our conversations with Petra Nas have been about clean energy and being able to take our partnership deeper

13:32and talk about ammonia and hydrogen production and export from British Columbia, which can include green hydrogen

13:38produced from clean hydroelectricity in our province.

13:41Absolutely. And of course, Malaysia also is moving forward quite quickly with especially interest from Sarawak in particular

13:47when it comes to hydrogen economy and the green economy as well. Let's look at perhaps looking at the prospect for

13:53collaborations on innovations or investment when it comes to electrical vehicles. What's happening in the

13:59scenario, particularly through Malaysian partnerships that you hope to forge?

14:03Well, we're very excited about a couple of opportunities related to electric vehicles. First of all, for battery

14:09applications. We produce many of the critical minerals needed for battery manufacturing and we're

14:16advancing proposals in our province around battery recycling and repurposing. We have a number of businesses

14:20that have advanced technologies related to that, but we also have much to learn from and

14:25and to partner with Malaysian in terms of technologies being developed here. I've seen many of your Proton vehicles

14:31driving around. British Columbia, we have an aggressive electric vehicle mandate. I know that there are

14:37places south of the border from us that are abandoning their electric vehicle plans and technologies. That's

14:43not the case in Canada. We're committed to meeting our climate goals and reducing dependency on fossil fuels when

14:49it comes to personal transportation. And I'm glad to see the leadership that's happening across the OSEAN around

14:55around that same goal. And so working together, ensuring that British Columbians have access to

15:01affordable electric vehicles, including using VC technologies and minerals in those batteries.

15:07That's a good shared vision, I think, for all of us. Absolutely. And also to highlight that

15:12Malaysia is also pretty committed to renewable energy, particularly through initiatives like the

15:16Energy Exchange Malaysia, the NGEM, and they're hoping to actually facilitate cross-border trade of green

15:21electricity within the overall ASEAN region. So that's another huge opportunity there.

15:26Yeah, I mean, the parallels are striking. And I mean, it's not unusual for countries that are

15:30committed to addressing climate change, I don't think. But for our province, we have a massive

15:34transmission project that we're doing to electrify mines, energy projects, and communities across the

15:41province called the North Coast Transmission Line. Sharing ideas about these long-distance

15:47transmission lines is key. But we also have a massive call for power taking place in our province.

15:52So green energy producers, wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, offshore wind are key parts of this call

16:01for power. We have $6 billion in private investment in projects in the province right now. And so for

16:09Malaysian companies that specialize in this area, they should be looking at BC Hydro, which is our public

16:14power producer for that call for power, as well as technologies around conserving electricity. I know

16:21that that is something that is front of mind for many Malaysians and certainly for Malaysian companies

16:25as well. We're seeking to learn as well and to benefit from technologies that may have been developed

16:29here. Absolutely. And also Malaysia recently did launch our National Energy Transition Roadmap,

16:35which also does align with BC's own green mandates. Do you foresee any future opportunities perhaps for

16:40joint research or even maybe cross-border investments in such sectors? Yeah, very much so.

16:46You know, I think many countries around the world are looking at 2050 as a target to be carbon

16:52neutral. And as we all work towards that goal, we know that we're going to have to use things like

16:56carbon capture and storage and we're going to have to do things differently. We're all learning

17:01together and we're all trying to achieve these goals in coordination. That's why conversations about the

17:08geology of our province, the fact that our geology provides many opportunities for carbon capture

17:15related to gas production, related to more traditional forms of energy, allows us that

17:22transition space to be able to provide a basic quality of life for countries that don't have other

17:28ways to produce the energy that they require while reducing carbon pollution. And it's also why we're so

17:35committed to strict regulations and why we're glad to have good partners like Petronas that understand

17:39why and support these mandates around methane emissions at the wellhead, you know, when this

17:44gas is produced. Some of the most powerful greenhouse gases are leaks from the wells. And being able to

17:51address that, we've reduced methane leaks from wells in British Columbia by 50%. But we're only able to do

17:56that because we have such good partners that understand the importance of doing that work like Petronas.

18:01That's a staggeringly impressive achievement, 50% reduction. Moving from there into, of course,

18:07the idea of economies not leaving anyone behind, strengthening resilience in a globally volatile

18:13economic landscape. Of course, I think the last two months have been taken up almost entirely by the

18:18debate around policies such as the potential return of Donald Trump's Liberation Day tariffs. So how important

18:25is it then, Premier Abbey, for mid-sized economies like British Columbia and also Malaysia to foster

18:29that kind of resilience along rules-based economic ties? Yes, I think, you know, the biggest challenge

18:36for us in British Columbia and in Canada, and I would imagine it's a similar thing in Malaysia,

18:41is the uncertainty that these policies have brought. I think that, you know, if we had some clear

18:46understanding of what the tariffs are going to be from the United States, then we can just deal with that

18:51and move on. But the tariffs have been applied and then removed and then applied and then removed,

18:55and then there are announcements on Truth Social and on Twitter, and it's just hard to know what the

19:01plan is. What I can say with absolute certainty is our relationship with the United States will never be the

19:06same. You know, we really are clear-eyed now that we have been too dependent on the United States for too long.

19:12And the entire country, from the Prime Minister, the federal government, each of the provinces,

19:18all of us are working to diversify and build relationships around the world to take advantage

19:24of the trade agreements that we've signed around the world, including the CPTPP, and make sure that

19:30we're protecting the people that live in our communities with the stability that comes with

19:35a multitude of trade relationships rather than one dominant trade relationship. And as British Columbia,

19:41we're the best suited to be able to do that. Our ports face the Pacific. We're a straight shot to come

19:47over to Malaysia, to Japan, to Korea. And so we see that we're going to be the economic engine of

19:55Canada going forward because of our partnership with countries like Malaysia. And that's very

20:01exciting for me as the premier of this area, but it's also a massive responsibility for our province

20:06to all Canadians because those goods have to come through our ports. We have to be a good partner for

20:10them as well. And that's part of the challenge and opportunity that's ahead of us. Exactly. And I

20:16think, of course, leveraging on Malaysia's strategic multilateralism, that could also be a point to

20:21move off into deeper trade relations, perhaps not just with Malaysia, but also within the region.

20:26I think so. You know, one of the things I've really appreciated being on the ground here in Malaysia

20:32is the diversity of the cultures here, both in the food, which makes it incredibly delicious,

20:36and the fusion of food, but also in terms of business. I haven't met with anyone here that

20:41doesn't have a deep understanding of the importance of trade relationships among multiple countries,

20:47that doesn't bring to the table existing relationships with other countries. And that

20:52is a huge advantage when you're partnering with a Malaysian company as a Canadian or British Columbia

20:56company. You don't just get access to Malaysia, but with your partner, you also get access to the

21:01broader region. And that's exactly what we're looking for. Absolutely. And also, you touched upon the fact

21:06that there's clearly a need to diversify globally when it comes to trade and divest a little bit

21:12from America, at least. And ASEAN, insofar, has had a most unified sort of a response.

21:17And Malaysia is an entryway, and also with ASEAN chair this year. This could also lead to a further

21:21deepening of trade relations between British Columbia and wider ASEAN, too. Yes, I think that

21:27you're going to see a new Canada. And it's a Canada that is, frankly, long overdue. Many Canadians have

21:32been hoping that we would be more independent, standing on our own two feet as a country,

21:37which means having distinct and clear policies from the United States, being less dependent on

21:42the United States. The positive way of stating that is that you will find us more engaged internationally,

21:48whether with Malaysia or other countries in the region. And I find it a very exciting time. And it's

21:54not without its challenges. This is coming out of necessity and threats to jobs and livelihoods of

22:00British Columbians. But I believe that we can produce high-paying jobs and prosperity in British

22:05Columbia and with our trading partners. And that's exactly what we're here to do.

22:08Absolutely. So let's go deeper into speaking about the fact that it's about creating those job

22:14opportunities and also those deeper relations on a business-to-business kind of a basis. Now,

22:19let's look at expanding sectoral and SME, small-medium industry level, corporation.

22:24So one of the areas, and we touched on it a little bit earlier, where it's a challenge and an

22:32opportunity for us is food. The majority of our food processors in British Columbia are small and

22:37medium enterprises. They don't have a huge budget to just travel the world and try to find partners.

22:45So what we've done is we have trade officers that are located in the High Commission here in Malaysia.

22:51Right. And they're supporting BC businesses being able to reach out to buyers at supermarkets,

22:58for example, or connect with companies that might be distributors so they can get to that minimum

23:03order quantity to be able to get their product on the shelf. This is incredibly important work that

23:08we're prioritizing. We've opened 14 of these offices, recently expanding to Vietnam and the Philippines.

23:16But our Malaysian team has been working hard to be able to support Canadian businesses to expand here.

23:23And it's very important work. So you did mention, of course, a high focus on food-based agritech and

23:30other related sectors. What about sectors such as digital trade, even electronics? Would there be more

23:35opportunity for the SMEs in that arena to also collaborate? Well, I had a really positive meeting with the

23:43digital minister for Malaysia and had a couple of key messages for him. And it was a very positive

23:51meeting. The first was we're hosting, it's called Web Summit. It's a massive worldwide tech summit that

23:57takes place over three years in Vancouver. We just finished the first year. But we really need to have

24:02a Malaysian delegation come to this summit. There's venture capital that attends. There's tech firms from

24:09around the world. The partnerships are extraordinary. The work that Malaysia is doing around digitization,

24:15around your data center strategy, around AI in government is quite inspirational. And I think

24:22it should be shared on a broader stage. But I also think there are incredible partnerships to be made.

24:27The second is that Canada is an AI power. AI was developed in Canada and at the University of British

24:34Columbia. We have an incredible artificial intelligence sector and many associated companies.

24:41And I think that partnerships in this rapidly growing area that's obviously going to transform

24:45our economy, which is not quite sure how, but we can see that it's coming quite quickly. But it will

24:51definitely transform how we deliver government services as well. You know, this is an area where

24:55Canadians, British Columbians and Malaysians can work very closely together as well.

24:59Absolutely. And just picking up on your point about AI and related industries, Malaysia and the rest of

25:05ASEAN as well has seen enormous investments in the past two, three years alone for this.

25:10From the British Columbia experience, what would you recommend when it comes to ensuring that there's

25:15equity around this? For example, we also, of course, recognize that it's incredibly energy intensive too.

25:21Yeah, this is one of the big challenges. And I was curious to hear about Malaysia strategy. There's a huge

25:28interest in data center establishment as a place that has relatively low hydro rates. British Columbia

25:36has had overtures. It started with like Bitcoin and cryptocurrency farms, but now it's very much

25:42around AI. And we've had to put a law in place that restricts the development of these kinds of server

25:49farms because of the impact that it has on residential rate payers. It reduces the availability of

25:54electricity for other employment intensive industries. And we're just not ready for it.

26:00And so the goal has been to increase transmission quite dramatically. So we have several calls for

26:06power to be able to do that. But we have to be very cautious. And I understand Malaysia is taking a

26:11similar approach. When we open these centers, there is an opportunity cost for other industries

26:18companies that may be more employment intensive, provide more jobs, give more opportunity for

26:23people. But they may also have an upward pressure on rates. And so we need to make sure that if we're

26:28bringing these on, that they're at least covering the costs of the additional generation that's required.

26:33And it doesn't come at the cost of rate payers. It's very important for us as a government.

26:38These are difficult and challenging balances because, you know, I do understand for Malaysia,

26:43you know, you're weighing, you have this whole semiconductor and chips industry that is part of

26:47this overall strategy. For us, it's about the software and the engineering that goes into this end as

26:56well. And we do want to have sovereignty over our data. And so these are hard questions for government.

27:00We're grappling with them as well. And we're watching and learning from what Malaysia is doing too.

27:04Absolutely. And I'm sure Malaysia also welcomes the thought leadership of British Columbia when

27:09it comes to especially data and integrity in such sectors. Perhaps we can close it out with

27:15a rapid fire. What are you most optimistic about when it comes to British Columbia and Malaysia trade

27:20relations? That we've not even scratched the surface here. You know, there's so much opportunity

27:25for BC businesses. I'm just really optimistic that we're going to see some very quick wins out of the

27:29gate by partnering with Malaysia. And that's going to really build on itself. I think our

27:33relationship is about to transform. Fantastic. Premier Eby, it's been an absolute

27:37pleasure having you on Niagara Spotlight. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.

27:39Great questions. I really enjoyed the interview. Likewise. Well, that's all we have time for

27:44today on Niagara Spotlight with me, Tamina Kausji. We close out today's interview with Premier

27:48David Eby, visiting from British Columbia in Malaysia on a trade mission. We'll see you again next

27:53week with more business analysis and insights. Here's to a productive week ahead.

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