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00:00Bobby Marks joined us just about an hour ago and said this with regard to the Warriors offseason and Jonathan Kaminga.
00:07It all depends on Kaminga. It really comes down to he basically controls free agency in Golden State
00:14because if they sign him to a contract and bring him back, then that's really it as far as what they can do in the offseason.
00:21So, Kaminga controls the offseason.
00:25So, if the Warriors were to bring him back, that's kind of it.
00:32There's your big move. How would that feel to a Warrior fan?
00:36Let's take some calls on this. Let's go to Joe in Napa.
00:39Hey, Joe, thanks for calling. What's up?
00:43Yeah, thanks for taking my call.
00:45Yeah, I agree. I don't think you should pay Kaminga more than, say, $45 million for three years, maybe $50 million.
00:55But I want to throw a name out there that I came across, and it's not like a flashy name, but John Collins.
01:07He's on a last-year contract. Next year, he's set to make $26 million.
01:13He only played 40 games last year, but he averaged 19 points, 8 rebounds, 30 minutes, and he shot 85% from the free throw line and 40% from three-point line.
01:27So, like, you know, 85% on the free throw, 40% three-point, and he's a forward center.
01:36So, I think he would mesh really well with the Warriors kind of small ball.
01:41But he'd also get you, you know, hopefully, kind of like a 20 points, 8 rebounds a game.
01:51And he's averaging a steal, block shot in 30 minutes.
01:55What do you think about that?
01:57Well, first of all, I think you've been on basketball reference.
01:59That's what I think, Joe.
02:01No, but Joe, thank you.
02:02Thank you for the call.
02:03I don't mind John Collins.
02:05He's in Utah right now.
02:06He's a 6'9 power forward, and we just got all of his stats.
02:10That's all true.
02:12I don't know how feasible it is to fit a $26 million contract on the Warriors right now.
02:18If Kaminga's involved somehow there, there would have to be other players thrown in.
02:22So, that's a maybe.
02:24But I also, I don't know.
02:27Like, the other thing to add into this conversation is that the Warriors have some very clear needs,
02:33and they've got to address them.
02:37They have to address them.
02:38So, they can't just go get a player because you're like, oh, he's nice.
02:42Because if you're that strapped, and you make a big move for somebody that's making $25 million a year,
02:50where does that leave you for going to get somebody tall?
02:54You know, I mean, you've got to get somebody who's 7 feet tall this year.
02:58You have to.
02:59There has to be some different three-point shooting.
03:03There has to be a backup point guard.
03:05Like, I don't know.
03:08Like, the Warriors might shop this offseason more for specifics than just, like, the greatness of a player,
03:17which is why I know what everybody wants to do.
03:19It has to be a certain type of player.
03:21And I think it has to be a certain type of players.
03:24You need more than just one player.
03:26Like, a backup point guard.
03:28Yeah, you need a backup point guard.
03:29But you also need a wing who can defend.
03:32You need on-ball defense.
03:33And you do need size.
03:34So, all those things are probably not going to be accomplished because, as Bobby Mark said when we had him on,
03:41you don't have a lot of options.
03:43Your options are, you know, even if you let Kaminga go and you get nothing back for him,
03:49that still leaves you in a tough spot as far as how much money you have underneath the salary cap and underneath the various aprons.
03:57And so, you don't have, really, that salary spot to attract a player.
04:02And if you do sign and trade Kaminga, you're probably not going to bring in somebody who's highly priced.
04:07Like, John Collins making 26.
04:09You're not going to be able to do that with just Kaminga alone.
04:11And even if it's Kaminga and Moody, and now you attach a pick for one year of John Collins, no thank you.
04:19Yeah, no thank you.
04:20That's going to be a no from me.
04:21Yeah, I'm with you.
04:23Dog?
04:24Thanks, dog.
04:24Let's go to Eric in San Jose.
04:27Eric, what are you doing?
04:29I'm driving down 280 trying to get home, man.
04:33Good luck.
04:36I got a sleeper pick for you guys.
04:39Steven Adams is available.
04:42He has played with a shooter for a long time.
04:45And not just that, he can act as a mentor for TJD and Quentin Post.
04:50Eric, I don't mind the Steven Adams idea at all.
04:55I love that you have him as kind of a sleeper.
04:59I think that there are actually some others who agree with you.
05:02We've heard that.
05:03We've had that name kind of thrown around.
05:05Eric, thanks.
05:06And that's kind of, that's the type of free agent from a financial standpoint.
05:11The Warriors can fit.
05:13The problem is, I do see Steven as somebody that multiple teams are really going to want,
05:19which A, drives the price a little bit, and B, it gives the player an opportunity to kind
05:24of get the lay of the land and see where they want to go next.
05:27The good news for Steven and why he would potentially choose a Golden State is he's starting to,
05:34unless I'm wrong, how old is Steven Adams?
05:36Steven's been around for a minute.
05:38Yeah, got him at 30, he'll be 32 coming up in July.
05:43Okay, so he's not, like he's getting to that age where he might be willing to do one and two year deals
05:50at his stops and he would like to win right now.
05:54He's not thinking about years down the road.
05:56That's the type of player that might join a Steph Curry.
06:01And Steven is a tremendous kind of locker room guy, you know, just handles everything really well.
06:07I like that idea.
06:09I really do.
06:10I do not know what the feasibility of it is.
06:12I don't know what the Warriors think of it.
06:13His last deal was two years and 25 million for Houston, so he made 12 and a half.
06:18And I was a little stunned to see how little he played this year, not even 14 minutes a game.
06:24So for me, if he's going to come in and make, you know, what Kavon made last year of $8 million,
06:31well, okay, maybe then.
06:33I don't think that Steven Adams anymore is a guy you're going to put out there a lot,
06:37especially on a team like the Warriors where you need player movement, ball movement,
06:42and it's just not what he does.
06:43He's not a shooter.
06:44I mean, you got him off the floor through the hack of strategy.
06:47I don't think that he's the right player at the right time for the Warriors.
06:51Oh, yeah, that's interesting.
06:52I mean, yeah, you'd have to, like Warrior fans, we got so triggered last year at the poor free throw shooting
06:58at the start of the year.
07:00Better get that off your mind because he's not a good one,
07:04despite the fact that he kind of made the Warriors pay for it a few times in that series.
07:09But as far as leadership, rim protection, rebounding, physical presence inside,
07:18I'm surprised that you're down on that idea considering how cost-effective it would be.
07:24Well, I love the player, and I love the person from Rotorua, New Zealand.
07:29I have a couple of friends who live there, and they all just rave about Steven the player
07:34and Steven the person.
07:35I think that he is too far down the road.
07:39He's had injury-wise.
07:42He missed a whole year, and then this past year he battled injury as well.
07:46I just worry about an old team.
07:48You're adding in a guy who's got some injury concerns,
07:52and offensively he's mostly a non-factor.
07:55I just think that he would have been a fit five years ago.
07:57Yeah, I hear you, but again, all you're looking for right now is just like a spurt.
08:05You're looking for a spurt.
08:06This is probably a one-year deal.
08:08It could be a mid-level exception kind of a thing, and you go for it, and you go for it next year.
08:14Even those of us who talk about, ooh, what are we going to do for the next two years,
08:18you notice that that's not the way Mike Dunleavy talked about it in exit interviews.
08:21He said one year.
08:23Right, one year.
08:24One year.
08:24You're looking at next year.
08:26That doesn't mean they're trading Steph after the year.
08:28It means you don't assess the year after this one until this one happens.
08:32Because, yeah, new things could be on the table for sure.
08:35So all you're looking for is to come in, play 65 games, and protect the rim when we ask you to.
08:44Get a rebound.
08:45That's it.
08:46That's it.
08:47I'm in on that idea.
08:48I'd rather have Kavon Looney if they were being paid the exact same.
08:52Really?
08:52Yeah, Kavon has a deep understanding of the offense, and I think Kavon can rebound just as well as Steven Adams.
09:00Ooh, I don't agree with that.
09:01Kavon's more reliable.
09:02I don't agree with that.
09:03Kavon's more durable.
09:04Yeah.
09:06Yeah, he's more durable.
09:08Younger?
09:09But him rebounding as well as Adams, I do not agree with at all.
09:16I think Steven is the kind of presence that the Warriors would, it would change things for them
09:21or at least give them a different dynamic when you're going against teams, and it feels like you're kind of getting overwhelmed inside.
09:28Someone who can finish around the rim on the offense, somebody who can rebound the ball and have that kind of physical presence on defense.
09:36Kavon more rebounds per game last year than Steven Adams in almost identical minutes per game.
09:42That's fine.
09:43Yeah.
09:43And he's asked to do a lot more of that on the Warriors, where Houston's got a lot of Shangoons and Thompsons that are down there also rebounding with him.
09:51But Kavon's got to fight pods for rebounds and the occasional Kaminga snatch of a rebound.
09:58Sometimes he does fly through there.
09:59Yes, that's possible.
10:00Looney played in, Adams played 13.7 minutes a game, Kavon 15.
10:06So almost an identical player as far as their role.
10:09Yeah.
10:09You know?
10:09Neither one that relied upon.
10:12No, no, but I mean, again, I thought you could feel it when the series, when the two sides played together.
10:19Kavon is not the physical presence that Steven Adams is.
10:22I thought you could feel it when we watched that series.
10:25Yeah, to an extent.
10:26And, you know, when you have Shangoon, it makes it a little bit easier.
10:29And when the Warriors don't have any size and, you know, Quentin Post was mostly played off the floor in that series.
10:35And so now you had Kavon and not much else out there.
10:38I'm trying to refigure this one out.
10:40888-957-9570.
10:42Again, we were talking this out earlier in the show.
10:44Shams was on the Pat McAfee show and said this.
10:47This is the most, I think, anticipation team executives have had over an offseason.
10:52I think this is going to be the craziest offseason of all, of, I don't want to say all the time.
10:56We just came off a trade deadline.
10:58We just came off a trade deadline.
10:59I think what might have been, it was the craziest of all time.
11:02I think this offseason might be the most craziest ever.
11:05What you have right now is you have the parity in the league.
11:08The English class sucks.
11:08It's so thin right now.
11:10Like, as far as the thin line of where you can win a championship or you might be falling into the lottery.
11:14And I think the ability to go out there and improve your team and get there to championship level,
11:19I think that's on the minds of everyone around the league.
11:21So how can you elevate your team?
11:23Okay, so if it's going to be a crazy offseason, there's going to be trades flying everywhere at the same time.
11:28Everybody's cash strapped.
11:29Nobody really wants to fit anything in.
11:31Nobody can fit anything in.
11:33My curiosity is through the roof.
11:35I don't functionally really see how everybody's going to get these deals done.
11:39But my curiosity is through the roof.
11:41And if those on the inside say this is going to happen,
11:43I'd be very, very surprised if the Warriors didn't knock on every door and do something creative.
11:49I will tell you, after listening to these conversations,
11:53I feel it's slightly more likely than not that Jonathan is not going to be on the team next year.
12:00That's sort of one of my, because I don't think that that's going to land very well with the team or with people.
12:07If their big acquisition for the offseason is basically just to stay the same
12:11and put Jonathan back on the bench where he watched a bunch of basketball games the last couple of months.
12:18Then it becomes a challenge to figure out how you turn Kaminga in a sign-and-trade
12:23into something that is going to be better than Jonathan Kaminga.
12:26Because at his floor, this year Jonathan Kaminga was a DNP.
12:32Steve Kerr joined us in his exit interview with us and said,
12:35yeah, if I get an offseason and a camp with Kaminga and the other three,
12:39we're going to figure out a way to make it so these guys can all play together.
12:43So I wouldn't anticipate another slew of DNPs.
12:46And the other piece that makes me think that he might actually be coming back is
12:50the one thing you have to do with Steph, Draymond, and Jimmy next year is protect their minutes.
12:56This year, Draymond said it, we've all said it, starting in February they were playing playoff games
13:01and you got into a best-of-seven with Houston, Steph played too much,
13:05game one he gets hurt against Minnesota, season over.
13:07So you have to find a way to use youth early on in the year,
13:12and that's Jonathan Kaminga, a guy who could go out there and play 32 minutes a night from game one
13:19and give those guys a chance to rest their bodies more.
13:24Does this surprise you?
13:25This is from our crossover earlier today.
13:27Lucas put this out on 95.7 The Game as a poll on Twitter.
13:31You can go check it out.
13:32You can vote.
13:34We're getting through a good number of votes here.
13:36But it was off the comment that I made that, you know, what would it take to have Giannis, Steph,
13:41Jimmy, and Draymond all on the same team?
13:43You would have a carcass left over as the rest of your basketball team.
13:48So then we got to the point of, what if you get Giannis,
13:54and I can guarantee you a title next year, however after that, 12 years of not making the playoffs?
14:01Would you do it?
14:02What do you think the voting public is saying right now?
14:05I would say the majority of people are saying yes.
14:08What kind of a clip do you think?
14:10I would say close to two-thirds, one-third.
14:14Okay.
14:15It's even higher than that.
14:16Wow.
14:17Three-fourths to one-fourths?
14:18It's even slightly north of three-fourths.
14:20Four-fifths to one-fifths?
14:2176.
14:22It's about three-fourths.
14:23Man.
14:24Three-fourths of you are saying that if you could have a title next year,
14:28you're fine with the next 12 years after that of not making the playoffs at all.
14:33First of all, I can tell you one person who did not vote yes.
14:37His name's Joe Lacob.
14:38I know that he wouldn't do that.
14:40My response to those results?
14:42You're lying.
14:43All those people are lying.
14:45Interesting.
14:46You would not.
14:47Well, I wonder how much.
14:48The reason I brought it up, I'd love to get into a conversation about this with some of you who are actual people.
14:55Yeah.
14:55Not Twitter bots.
14:56I wonder if that's a Twitter thing.
14:59Do y'all actually feel that way?
15:01Would you take a title next year if it then meant for you 40-year-olds, you're in your 50s the next time the Warriors make the playoffs?
15:11It would be 2037-38.
15:14Okay.
15:15You're making that trade?
15:17That's how hard up you are for a ring when you just got four?
15:23I don't understand that.
15:25I don't believe it.
15:25And I'm not, like, I'm not all about it.
15:28I'm absolutely, maximize Steph, absolutely.
15:32But you all are willing to turn in 12 years of fun?
15:36You're willing to do that so that Steph can get one more?
15:40I'm with you.
15:41I think that is totally full of crap.
15:43Now, if you're talking about the 49ers in this conversation, if I could guarantee you the Super Bowl this year, if, you know, blah, blah, blah, or 12 years after that of not only not making the playoffs, but you're going to be between three and five wins for 12 years.
16:02It's a little bit more believable for me.
16:05A little bit.
16:06It's still excruciating.
16:08It's painful.
16:08That's a long time.
16:10I think about Mark Grandy and Lucas Alexander, director of sports, and the god of everything, respectively.
16:18They're both in their late 20s, early 30s.
16:20They've never.
16:21Never seen it.
16:22They've never seen it.
16:23Would you do it?
16:23Would you do it, Mark?
16:24Who's the god of everything?
16:25You, Grandy.
16:26Yeah.
16:27I was waiting for the ding.
16:28It's because you won knockout twice.
16:30Well, and you didn't have a title, and I'm director of sports, and I didn't want to say board op, you're more than that.
16:35Technical director, you're more than that.
16:36Knockout champ.
16:37Fill in host, you're more than that.
16:39Knockout champ.
16:39Uh, two-time.
16:41Two-time knockout champ.
16:42Overtly sickly, you're more than that.
16:45You're a lot of things.
16:47Would I trade one more championship?
16:49No, Niners.
16:5012 years of future.
16:50Niners.
16:51You get a guaranteed Super Bowl this year.
16:53You win the Super Bowl next year, but then no playoffs for 12 years.
16:58Yeah, see, it's painful.
17:00It is, but it's, I think, more believable for a late 20s, early 30s Niner fan who's never, shout out Guru, tasted the sweet neck.
17:07No, but a fifth Steph championship might be more meaningful to me than the first Niners championship in my lifetime.
17:14That's an interesting statement.
17:15Yeah, that's bold.
17:16Really?
17:16Yeah.
17:17Why?
17:18Brock Purdy is on the precipice of being the best quarterback of all time, but Steph's on the precipice of being the best point guard of all time, and one more championship might push him over the top.
17:26Now, did you say Brock Purdy's on the precipice?
17:29No, he's not on the precipice.
17:30A Super Bowl championship doesn't mean anything for Brock Purdy in terms of the standing.
17:35There's a lot on the line for what one more championship would mean for Steph.
17:39Does that really do it for you?
17:41Like, you want Steph to be some, I think he's, first of all, he's already at minimum in the conversation of the top two.
17:49Yeah, and then in general, like top five, I don't know the championship would lock him into the top five players of all time, I think.
17:55I have actually, uh...
17:56What does that do for you?
17:57Just say it.
17:58It means a lot to me.
17:59Just say it.
18:00You're never going to get Quorum.
18:02If you want him to be one of your top five, just say it now.
18:06Nobody's going to argue with you, and a lot of people will not agree with you and still wouldn't even if he won two more.
18:12Like, I don't...
18:14We're not...
18:14Like, there's still people out there going, LeBron, MJ, MJ, LeBron!
18:18Like, we're not going to...
18:19You're not going to get him one on your side on that, but a Niner ring, that's like actually a thing.
18:24Yeah, it is a thing.
18:25So is a Warrior ring.
18:26That's a thing.
18:27You had four of them already.
18:27One for the thumb, yeah.
18:28But he would rise to a spot in the Pantheon where you could rightly put him on the Rushmore.
18:35I did a brief research project of ones, NBA ones,
18:40who have four or more titles.
18:43And this is post-Celtics era.
18:45I don't...
18:46Because I don't even know...
18:46Okay, Bill Russell was the one.
18:48He's the leader.
18:48But Jordan has six.
18:50Kareem, Magic, Duncan, and Kobe have five.
18:53Yeah.
18:53And I shared Kobe and Shaq because I put Shaq on the list.
18:56I think that they were one and 1A.
18:58They both count as ones to me.
19:01LeBron has four.
19:02Steph has four.
19:02Yeah, Shaq was the one.
19:04But, you know, Kobe also won without him.
19:06But anyway, so...
19:06Yeah.
19:07I think those two deserve to be side by side.
19:09But only eight players ever.
19:12Kareem has six titles.
19:13But the last one that they won, he was not the one.
19:16He averaged like 11 a night.
19:17So, with one more, Steph joins the Pantheon of Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, and Kobe.
19:24That's...
19:25You can start talking Rushmore at that point.
19:27You can do it now.
19:28You'd be wrong, but...
19:29That's fine.
19:30Who cares?
19:30Be wrong.
19:31We're wrong all the time.
19:32You might be.
19:33I mean, fade the dibbers.
19:35Coming up.
19:35All right.
19:3694 days.
19:37Why do you think I'm so excited?