00:00This whole day has, you know what this reminds me of?
00:08What?
00:09You ever have a situation in your life
00:12where you kind of have a feeling of how it's gonna play out,
00:15but you ignore that.
00:17Yep.
00:18And then it happens and you're mad
00:20because you knew it was heading down this path.
00:24Now, me and you have had conversations
00:28over the last two years around Jimmy.
00:32Yep.
00:33And the two points of emphasis were
00:38when he decides to play, how many games he missed,
00:44and what is he gonna look like in two years?
00:48You were like, I don't care, pay him.
00:53Now, let me ask you this.
00:56If Pat Riley had paid him and gave him everything he wanted,
01:01do you think Jimmy would be playing
01:03different basketball now, or would he even be playing?
01:08Yeah, because I don't think he would have,
01:09I don't think he would have missed those buildings.
01:11And here's the thing.
01:13Are you prepared to make a $40 million assumption?
01:18That's not my money.
01:19But I'm just saying, even as fans,
01:24aren't we making a lot of assumptions
01:26that we probably shouldn't be making?
01:28I think the thing that I,
01:30I looked at the 40 million,
01:33or I looked at the money as knowing,
01:36yes, when you have to pay that 60 million,
01:41I knew that was gonna happen.
01:43But I did that almost as like the insurance of,
01:47can I get the last good out of this?
01:49Can this actually make something?
01:51Will there be another move?
01:52So if you do it, he will ball out this year.
01:55This year or next year, we'll see.
01:57Even if you haven't seen it.
01:59But, no, I haven't seen it.
02:00I haven't seen it.
02:01Right, that was my hope.
02:02That was my hope.
02:04But they didn't wanna make that gamble.
02:06They don't want it.
02:07They're the ones who have to pay the 60 million.
02:09But that has been my point.
02:12I'm not saying, listen,
02:13I'm not saying I don't get it, Leroy.
02:14Right, no, I know, I know, I know.
02:16And that's why I haven't been crushing you.
02:20Yeah, I'm not saying-
02:21Because I know, I know for a fact,
02:23your whole point was, I like Jimmy less pay him.
02:27I know it's not my money.
02:29And while acknowledging all the things
02:31that we've all been talking about,
02:34it's a weird situation because the player can't,
02:39Jimmy can't see it from the heat side.
02:41He only sees it from what he wants.
02:43And at any point in time,
02:46he could have been a better participant
02:49in the outcome of this.
02:52Yeah.
02:53That's my whole,
02:53my whole thing is,
02:55if you wanted this to play out differently,
02:56you could have made it play out differently.
03:00Let's see.
03:01This is Jimmy.
03:02That guy got stomach flu 17 times in the last three years.
03:06What's up, Jimmy?
03:08Hey, Tobin.
03:09I'm surprised you guys haven't mentioned this,
03:11but what do you think is Jimmy's trade value at this point?
03:15And am I delusional in thinking,
03:18is it possible to get Fox?
03:20I think I'm being delusional.
03:22If we trade Jimmy, a young player.
03:25I think Fox has to make a stink too.
03:28I think like, that's why,
03:29and I think that's kind of where all the parties were.
03:31Jimmy is like,
03:32I think that everybody was hopeful
03:34it would get to the summer
03:35because it's just easier to move things.
03:37People's, you know, in season,
03:40the restrictions that a lot of teams have
03:42because of aprons and all that type of stuff.
03:43I just felt like,
03:44I think everybody's looking at it right now.
03:46Cause there's a lot of front offices.
03:48I don't think that have a grasp
03:49or the maneuverability with trading right now in the season.
03:53So I think that's also part of it is like,
03:55you know, the heat, we're hopeful.
03:57Like Leroy said, like this would be amicable,
03:59have a good season.
04:00And yeah, we will facilitate.
04:02If you can find a team that gives you a sign
04:03and trade in the off season,
04:05we'll help facilitate that.
04:06We'll make that happen.
04:07Now, I don't know what the hell happens now.
04:09I don't know what the petty showdown is.
04:11If it does get to the summer,
04:12I don't think it will get to the summer.
04:14Like it kind of feels inevitable
04:15that they got to find a destination for him now.
04:18How's a, how's Zion's hand?
04:20No, no.
04:22No.
04:23Oh, why?
04:24Cause that's because,
04:25because that deal going to cost you 300.
04:29How's that hand?
04:29You look at bring that hand me to Miami.
04:31Ooh.
04:35Hey, you realize, right?
04:37You sign up for the same thing,
04:41except it costs you 300 million instead of another 40
04:44or another 60.
04:45Nah, he's got a, he's got a, he's already on a deal.
04:47I mean, as a, you know, the, the thing,
04:49I think he's got to like, you know,
04:50play like four games for it to be guaranteed or whatnot.
04:55Just try it on for size.
04:56I'm not saying, I'm not saying Zion Williamson.
04:58Cause I don't even know, like,
04:59would it be something if the batter has any team Pelicans,
05:03man, what if they made Jimmy Butler a Pelican?
05:06A Pel.
05:06And they got Zion Williamson.
05:08I would say that one of the things,
05:14one of the reasons why it becomes difficult to do it now
05:17is simply because you're right.
05:21There's a lot of people that are in cap situations
05:25that they need that off season to figure out
05:28where the hell they are.
05:30Right.
05:31And they ain't thinking about that right now.
05:33Right.
05:34And so they probably need time to sit down and say, okay,
05:37we can do this.
05:38We can do this.
05:39We can, and a trade,
05:40unless you've been wanting to trade from the get go,
05:44you haven't really sat down and figured that out.
05:46Right.
05:47And now it's to a point where if Jimmy Butler did have his
05:49four teams and none of those teams are interested in either
05:51trading for the heat or really can't trade with the heat,
05:53then Jimmy is at the point of he's like, fine, anywhere,
05:57dude, just get me out of here.
05:59Here's the other thing is that
06:04you look at the guys who've demanded those trades
06:09in the last three or four years.
06:12Okay.
06:14Do you think Jimmy is on the same level as those guys?
06:20And we can just think of the guys that have demanded trades
06:24in the last, yeah.
06:25KD.
06:27Yep.
06:28You had
06:30Dame.
06:33Okay.
06:34He's above, yeah, he's above Dame.
06:37You think Jimmy's better than Dame?
06:39Yeah.
06:41He is all around player.
06:43Obviously Dame's a better scorer.
06:45But that's okay, but.
06:49I mean, Jimmy's teams have, Jimmy, wherever he's gone,
06:51I mean, his teams have had more impacts than Dame has.
06:54Dame I'm sure is, you know, Dame's an elite scorer.
06:57If there was no, if there's no Steph Curry,
06:59we're probably talking about Damian Lillard.
07:00But I think, I think Jimmy Butler is a better player.
07:04I get, I know what you're going to say,
07:05like availability for sure.
07:07I get all that.
07:08I'm just saying.
07:09What about Kaminga?
07:12I'm not into it.
07:13You're not into Kaminga?
07:15I'm not into Kaminga.
07:17He's another young player.
07:20That Kaminga trade comes with Wiggins too.
07:22That does nothing for you.
07:23Nah.
07:25Wig, I'm still trying to figure Wiggins out.
07:26He had that one finals where he was just,
07:30he was the best player on the court at times.
07:33Zion though, you know.
07:35Zion, I'm not, dude, you, hold on.
07:39Let me ask you a question.
07:41Let me ask this question.
07:42You think Pat Bradley is going to trade
07:45for another guy who doesn't play?
07:47His whole argument the last two years was availability.
07:52He's only 24.
07:53Like, you know, you walk it around the park a little bit.
07:55Let's see what it was.
07:56See what he's got.
07:57You want him, you, you want him around Astron?
08:00That's a big question.
08:01That's a totally big question.
08:04He's only 24.
08:06Schmidt says Kaminga's 22.
08:08Tobin is nuts.
08:10Right.
08:13I mean, here, Kaminga and, Kaminga is what?
08:176'10"?
08:186'9"?
08:196'10"?
08:20Is he that big?
08:21Yeah.
08:23Let me see.
08:256'7".
08:26No, I thought he was bigger than that.
08:28Google says 5'6".
08:30So, so like, when you think of, I mean,
08:39think of how athletic you get.
08:41He's very athletic.
08:42Kaminga, Bam, Kal-El, Nico.
08:48Right?
08:49Like, and, and, and I'm just spitballing here.
08:51That's the thing too, is like, if this all ends
08:53and I'm like, I'm ready,
08:54I'm ready to close the window on things.
08:56I really like these young guys.
08:57I like watching them.
08:59Like, my most important part right now is-
08:59All right, so, and Kaminga, and then take Wiggins.
09:02I'm like, I gotta take Wiggins.
09:05I guess I gotta take Wiggins.
09:06You got to make the money match.
09:07Kaminga ain't signed the money yet.
09:08Yeah, them's the rules, I guess.
09:10Right.
09:11So, so like, you, that seems like both teams are happy.
09:20You know, Zion is a Duke guy.
09:21You know, Mickey Harrison and Nick,
09:22they love the Duke guys.
09:25I'm just saying, like, that,
09:27I mean, there's, there's teams that want Jimmy.
09:33Golden State wants Jimmy.
09:37So, Kaminga-
09:39I'm going to be furious
09:40if they win the championship with him.
09:42No, I wouldn't be.
09:43I mean, they're not going to win the championship.
09:44Because here's the deal, here's the deal.
09:47You weren't going to win it with Jimmy.
09:49That's fair.
09:50So to say that, oh, somebody else,
09:52they're in a different place than you.
09:54They always get the one up on us though, dude.
09:57Again, that sounds like a,
09:59that sounds like a good trade.
10:02You give me Wiggins, you give me Wiggins and Kaminga,
10:05I give you Jimmy Butler, you throw in.
10:09What's up, Bob?
10:11Hi, how are you?
10:11Listen, I mean, everybody's forgetting about Jimmy
10:15is that he has never even played 60 games
10:20on average since he's been here.
10:23He's played 58, 52, 57, 64, 60,
10:27and he's already missed 10 games this year.
10:29And this last year, he asked him to improve his game
10:32or maybe participate more.
10:33You're telling it that you're going to give this guy
10:36$60 million for 60 games?
10:39That's a million dollars a game.
10:41That's elite money.
10:42He's not worth it.
10:43And let's look at his history.
10:45He's been the same thing in Chicago.
10:47He always will come out.
10:48He did it with Minnesota.
10:50He did it with Philadelphia.
10:51Now it's Miami Heat.
10:53What I would do, I'd send him to Utah Jazz
10:55and see if his social activities works
10:58in the Utah Mormon territory
11:00because he's not worth the effort.
11:03He's just asking too much.
11:05And he's like a crybaby.
11:07Oh, I didn't get my 112 million.
11:11The man says, listen, you're not in the playoff.
11:13Keep your mouth shut.
11:14He was right.
11:15And he keeps running his mouth.
11:17And listen, other owners will think,
11:19listen, if they gave me a six-pack right now for him
11:21and dump the 52 million, I'll take it
11:24because his worries will come from me.
11:26I think they should put Bob in the negotiations.
11:27Oh, you can't do that.
11:29Oh my God.
11:34Here's what I think's happening right now.
11:36Tate South says, that guy's name is not Bob.
11:39I'm going to say this.
11:40And I would say Tobin,
11:44we have been,
11:47you know, playoff Jimmy,
11:51trade deadline Jimmy,
11:52January Jimmy for the last three years.
11:56Agreed.
11:58And now we're to the point where like,
12:02we're getting put in a bunch of terrible situations
12:07during the season,
12:09hoping that Jimmy basically bails the team out
12:16and then if something actually happens in those months,
12:22we're SOL.
12:24And I think that's,
12:27I think everybody is starting to come to the realization
12:33that you need something more consistent
12:35throughout the season.
12:38I mean, and that's just, that's just it.
12:42My other thing is, is with the young players.
12:45How is this affecting the development of the other guys?
12:49Like a perfect example,
12:51how many times did Tyler shoot last week?
12:53I mean, last night?
12:55I think 12.
12:57What is Tyler, like the way he's been playing
13:01and the only thing that changed
13:02was Jimmy started playing again.
13:04Yep.
13:05So.
13:06And it took him basically until the fourth quarter.
13:08That's why I like, when I heard that whole usage thing,
13:11I'm like, nah, dude.
13:12Like if Tyler Herro was sitting there
13:14and he was shooting the lights out
13:16or trying to shoot up a bunch of shots,
13:17like I would have heard it.
13:18Like he was at like eight attempts by halftime.
13:20I don't know what you're talking about.
13:22Right.
13:23It was so obvious.
13:26That's the other thing.
13:28At what point do you think of the long-term effects
13:38of all these other players, of all these other guys?
13:42Because I mean, Tyler basically said it's exhausting.
13:46Yeah.
13:47You don't know what to, it's exhausting.
13:50And think about when Tyler was on the trade block
13:54the last few years.
13:56Never made a stink.
13:57Right.
13:58I give him credit for that.
13:59Right.
14:00Like, and so I don't know how else you can handle this
14:06without handling it quickly
14:09because now it's starting to impact everybody else
14:13because Tyler should be shooting 20 shots
14:16regardless of who's on the floor.
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