00:00Hey, Marcos, Marcos, this man needs to go to what I like to call the Yotes.
00:18Send him to Utah with the new franchise, as I like to call them, the Yotes.
00:35I'm really sorry.
00:37What did you do?
00:39I'm really sorry.
00:40Single-handedly.
00:42Single-handedly.
00:43Accelerated.
00:44I won't be naive to say it's your fault.
00:47Embedded those baby blues and spoke and used his interview voice.
00:54And now look what you did.
00:56Mr. Riley, did you hear Jimmy Butler?
01:00Did you hear what he said, Mr. Riley?
01:02I'm really sorry.
01:04I didn't want this to happen.
01:06I said that.
01:07Oh, you ended it.
01:08Really?
01:09Really?
01:10I said it the whole time to pay him his money.
01:14This man will do.
01:15Wait, wait, wait.
01:16This is what he'll do.
01:17Dude.
01:18Hold on.
01:19Can I ask?
01:20This is serious.
01:21You think this was all about the money or maybe there was a rift between the organization
01:31and Jimmy because Jimmy wanted to do basketball the way Jimmy wanted to do it.
01:35I don't buy that.
01:36Okay.
01:37All right.
01:38I'm just saying because him not playing games really seemed to bother Pat.
01:42Oh, yeah, yeah.
01:43That bothers me.
01:44Okay.
01:45I thought you were talking about Jimmy's comments about how he's being used last night.
01:48No, no, no, no, no, no.
01:49I'm talking about.
01:50I was just playing.
01:52Jimmy was talking about his role last night and I was in the back of the press conference
01:56room giving him the Marcos.
01:58We know why you're mad.
02:00But I'm just saying like that is the this all started this head.
02:07Listen, the money part of it was a factor.
02:12But to me, this all started because Pat started getting annoyed by Jimmy not playing games.
02:21Everything else, everything else that happened between the two of them is a byproduct of
02:27that fact.
02:28Yeah, I think I think I can't disagree with you that it was availability.
02:33I think it's the idea that they lost.
02:35They lost to the Celtics that it was over.
02:37You know, like they just saw.
02:39They got us.
02:40Look at where the Celtics are.
02:41Look at where you are.
02:42And Jimmy, like the master that he is last night, shows up with his with his middle finger
02:48to Pat, which was to show up with Celtics green hair or Joker hair.
02:52However, you want to.
02:53However, you want to put it, because he was ready to.
02:55He was ready to throw chaos into the blender.
02:58But I mean, Shams, you didn't have to write last night.
03:02This father missed the first round playoff series lost in the Celtics last season because
03:07of a knee injury suffered in the team's play in tournament victory after the loss.
03:11Butler gave an interview on social media where he indicated the heat would have won the series
03:15of healthy quote.
03:16If you're not on the court playing, you should keep your mouth shut.
03:19Riley said in response to his end of season media session, Riley and Butler's relationship
03:24has yet to recover, sources said.
03:26Oh, and who asked that question?
03:29Who did it?
03:31But the problem, the problem is not just that you robbed me.
03:36You robbed me.
03:37Right.
03:38What you say.
03:39And here's sometimes we concentrate more on what people say than the reality of what that
03:46situation is, because Pat was probably already thinking this going into all the playing and
03:54all this, all these things that.
03:58Jimmy had played five or 10 more games.
04:01Right.
04:03We're not in this spot.
04:06And it would have been, they probably would have been that plan spot for sure.
04:09Right.
04:10But that's what I'm saying.
04:11So think of how Pat is thinking about this whole thing.
04:13Now, Jimmy, Jimmy being Jimmy says, listen, I do what I need to do when I need to do it.
04:21Then he gets the injury.
04:25So, like, all of this just kind of comes to a head in a series of unfortunate events.
04:35But then Jimmy says what he says.
04:37And like, I don't make nothing of it simply because Jimmy's always said stuff like that.
04:45Right.
04:46Jimmy's always just been out there calling people garbage.
04:50And when it's when it's funny, right, then everybody just kind of chuckles and moves
04:56on because Jimmy's playing and everything's great.
04:59But when he's not, imagine how that could rub Pat Riley.
05:03Of course, I get it.
05:04But like, it's one of these things where, you know, he can't be in a position right
05:08now where they're surprised where they're at.
05:11No, no.
05:12Because Jimmy Butler is Jimmy Butler.
05:14Like, Jimmy Butler has been this his entire career.
05:17And any time that he has not gotten the money that he thought he deserved, things went nuclear.
05:23And I think in the heat's head, they probably thought it'll be different because we've done
05:28a lot together.
05:29He's older.
05:30There was a, quote, respect of the organization.
05:32You said the same thing about Pat.
05:34You said the same thing about Pat Riley.
05:36Who did?
05:37You.
05:38When I said he did the same thing to D-Wade.
05:40Oh, this is different.
05:41I didn't say the same thing to D-Wade.
05:43What I said was.
05:45What I'm saying is he did the same thing by not paying D-Wade because he was older.
05:50Right.
05:51Well, I wasn't disagreeing with you.
05:52My point was he should pay.
05:53He should pay Jimmy Butler because you should know this was going to come down the pipe.
05:57And you should know.
05:59But just like Jimmy's being Jimmy.
06:02I'm saying Pat Riley is being Pat Riley.
06:05So technically, I mean, if you really want to get down to it, this was inevitable.
06:10It was inevitable.
06:11It was inevitable.
06:12Two guys that are the way they are.
06:15Look, here's the thing.
06:16We all just fell for a big charade over the last three weeks.
06:20Not we.
06:21Not we.
06:22No, no.
06:23I don't know.
06:24We.
06:25We.
06:26We were all there.
06:27We all fell for it.
06:28You've got an Asian in on it.
06:29We all fell for a big charade over the last couple weeks because I think probably somewhere
06:34along the way.
06:35Somewhere along the way this season.
06:36All right.
06:37We come into the season.
06:38Jimmy Butler is doing all right.
06:41We think maybe, maybe even the agent comes, you know, all right.
06:44Hey, can we do this extension?
06:46Nah.
06:47Does it again?
06:48Okay.
06:49Now, all of a sudden, we have the initial Shams report.
06:51And I mean, you could call Shams and Bernie Lee a couple of vowels because those two were
06:54in cahoots because this little acting.
06:57You could.
06:58I mean, these, these two, the acting job that they did on Twitter, you were out of order.
07:03You are a liar.
07:05Shams.
07:06I mean, it was WWE at its finest.
07:09And I got to give eight.
07:10I got to give props.
07:11It was well-placed.
07:12Wow.
07:13Then all of a sudden Tobin asked the question.
07:16No, no, no, no.
07:19Then all of a sudden, Jimmy Butler to all of our eyes said played against the Thunder.
07:26He remember he had this game against Detroit.
07:28Incredible performance.
07:29They lose because I despise losing.
07:32All right.
07:33Have a few days off.
07:34Maybe he was fed up in that whole time.
07:36I don't know.
07:37But remember they had that layoff between the Thunder game.
07:39I don't know what happened.
07:40Everybody was saying three day.
07:41Jimmy three day.
07:42Jimmy.
07:43Yeah.
07:44Well, we got a baby Thunder coming in.
07:45All of a sudden we all see him twist his ankle leaves the game, but then they're like, nah,
07:53he's sick.
07:54Okay.
07:55Now people can sit here and say he was really sick or not really sick.
08:01Is it crazy to think that Jimmy Butler in that day break between the Pistons game and
08:06the Thunder game was hoping the Miami heat were going to trade him and said, Hey, to
08:12my agent, Pat, let's get this done.
08:14And he's going to do it the nice guy way.
08:16And then all of a sudden the ankle, we're going to want to trade for Jimmy Butler on
08:20a bum ankle.
08:21I'm sick.
08:22Okay.
08:23You're sick.
08:24Can't play for the next couple of days.
08:26Then I have to recondition for a week to come play basketball.
08:31Cause in the whole way I'm hoping the Miami heat trade me.
08:35Then what happens?
08:37That's like, I don't like the deals out there.
08:40Then you have Shams.
08:41Who's like Jimmy Butler prefers to get traded.
08:44Okay.
08:45That's fine.
08:46But Pat Riley comes out with a statement.
08:50We are not training Jimmy Butler because he doesn't like the deals.
08:53He's not going to be, he's not going to be pushed into a deal.
08:57We're running out of time here, folks.
09:00All of a sudden the Miami heat of practice.
09:02All right.
09:03How many times are we going to sit here with this charade that Jimmy Butler is
09:06really sick when I don't think it was really sure.
09:10Get to practice.
09:11Jimmy Butler tells everybody I'm in a good place.
09:13I'm in a happy place.
09:14Blah, blah, blah.
09:15I'm going to play.
09:16I asked him about the statement.
09:19And where are those conversations with you?
09:21And where are things at?
09:23Then we get the look.
09:26You know, he was all jovial.
09:28Asked him about Pat Riley, who he clearly hates his guts.
09:31Now you, it's you.
09:34He gives me that look.
09:36Gives me a dismissive next.
09:39Did he give him that look?
09:41No.
09:42Okay.
09:43I don't want to say it's me.
09:45Don't say it's me.
09:46Ruined it.
09:47And then all of a sudden we have the Pelz game.
09:52Okay.
09:53Shows up to the Pelicans game.
09:55Now the Pelicans suck.
09:56There are five win team.
09:58He probably thinks to himself.
09:59All right.
10:00Let's run the cruise control.
10:02Won't try that hard.
10:04But the problem is the Pelicans suck.
10:06You could beat the Pelicans with Jimmy Butler.
10:08Not trying.
10:09You can beat the Pelicans with Jimmy Butler.
10:11Not trying.
10:12And then apparently people just had the audacity to tell him that
10:17was the effort.
10:18Oh, I dare you say I not try.
10:22It's back to next.
10:23But I, you know, people asked me going in last night.
10:25What'd you think of Jimmy last night?
10:27I said, Mulligan, I'm going to see what he does tonight.
10:33We saw what he did last night.
10:34He put that puppy in cruise control and he barely moving,
10:40barely moving, dude, like right to the corner the entire time.
10:43And he puts it under the guise of, oh, this is the role I've been
10:47given Tyler here.
10:50Tyler here barely took shots last night, dude.
10:52Like, I don't know what he's talking about, but here's the thing.
10:57I really, I don't like what Jimmy Butler did last night, just last
11:02night, because I've been, I've been pro pay Jimmy.
11:05I don't like what you did last night because you play with those
11:08guys. A lot of those guys for a lot of years.
11:10I understand you want your money on.
11:12Hey, I can't fault you for that.
11:14It's still a basketball game.
11:16You could have given a rat's ass, but this is where he feels like
11:20he's been pushed.
11:21He felt like he played the nice guy.
11:22He did the go, the, the go away.
11:24Cause I'm sick thing.
11:25Pat Riley still didn't trade him.
11:27So now he feels like he has to throw the Molotov cocktail on the
11:29court and make it happen.
11:30Okay.
11:31Will he do it now?
11:32Now we're at, will he do it?
11:34Because he's not going to try playing basketball.
11:36He's very clearly has shown you.
11:37And the report last night was he told the heat trade me anywhere,
11:42but here, anywhere, but here.
11:45I mean, but this is basically where we are, right?
11:52We know Jimmy, we know Pat, right?
12:00This probably started when Pat Riley said what he said and then tried
12:06to cover it up by saying he's a needle mover.
12:09Yeah. Right.
12:10I don't remember which one he said first.
12:11I think he said, and then shut up.
12:13Right.
12:14Right.
12:15But I knew this was going to be an issue because of how he's always
12:25handled these situations.
12:27Yeah.
12:28But the reason why it has probably come more,
12:37become more divisive, more than helpful.
12:44Is because Pat Riley probably listened to Jimmy and say, well,
12:49Jimmy's just going to go out and ball out and then we'll deal with
12:52it when we deal with.
12:54And he did.
12:56Yeah.
12:57I think they had a, an idealistic position thinking, oh, he's never,
13:03he's not going to, he wouldn't dog it on us.
13:06Maybe he may, you know, maybe other places, but we, we, we,
13:09we've built too much.
13:10So in other words, in other words, let me get this straight.
13:16We went into a situation thinking Jimmy wasn't going to be Jimmy or
13:21Pat Riley wasn't going to be Pat.
13:23Correct.
13:24And, and, and in the end, Jimmy Butler was Jimmy Butler and Pat Riley
13:29was Pat Riley.
13:31Was Pat Riley famously said a couple of years ago when asked about
13:33Jimmy, like, who does Jimmy remind you of?
13:35And he said me.
13:36So now we have two confrontational forces who are sick of each other,
13:42but yet won't put themselves in bad positions.
13:45Pat Riley's not going to take on a bad deal.
13:47Jimmy Butler's not going to play hard for you and get himself hurt.
13:51What do you do from here?
13:52I don't know.
13:53Do you just tell him to stay away?
13:55Well, here's, here's the problem.
13:59The problem is this, and this is a bigger issue.
14:04And this happens through sports franchises in every sport.
14:09They have a lot of young players, guys who were just either starting to get
14:15in, get, you know, come into their own or guys who have just started
14:21playing on a regular basis.
14:26How do you handle those guys with Jimmy in the locker room?
14:32Right.
14:33This going between Pat Riley and Jimmy.
14:36Okay.
14:37And that's because spoken only say so much.
14:41Spo has never been the guy to ever get irritated at a, at a player.
14:46And I gotta be honest with you.
14:47I think last night he should have, I thought Spoh, I thought Spoh
14:50did a bad job last night.
14:52I think that Spoh last night, putting his head in the sand and
14:54basically telling the media, you guys are making an easy story.
14:58I'm like, dude, I understand.
14:59You never liked to call anybody out.
15:00I'm not even saying call Jimmy Butler out, but you got to say what's
15:03happening.
15:04And I think too many times, Eric Sposal just likes to keep it to
15:07basketball where that dude does wield a lot of power in the organization.
15:11Now they gave him an eight year extension.
15:13I would have liked, I would have liked him to acknowledge what
15:15the hell's going on right now.
15:16Okay.
15:17But here's the deal.
15:19There is nobody who respects more than Pat Riley.
15:22Of course he ain't getting into a conversation.
15:24Or suggestion or comments or anything like that, where he then feels
15:30he's got to pick a side.
15:32And that's why he does that.
15:34He's, he's never done it with anybody.
15:37Okay.
15:38But you're going to be here long past that, right?
15:39Whenever Pat, right.
15:40However many more years.
15:43Now, now is not the time for, for Spoh knowing all of that.
15:48To, to come out and say it with his chest.
15:50Right now is not the time to come out and just put it all out there.
15:53Cause that'll make it even more.
15:57Out of hand.
15:59So don't say nothing and eat that.
16:01Let them to handle it.
16:03I got to coach basketball.
16:05We'll take a break here on the show.
16:06You guys get in three Oh five, five, six, seven Oh five 60.
16:08If you want to.
16:11I got to coach basketball.
16:13We'll take a break here on the show.
16:14You guys get in three Oh five, five, six, seven Oh five 60.
16:17If you want to, we'll take you guys up until two o'clock.
16:19Lots to dive into, into the Jimmy Butler saga.
16:22If you guys are just tuning in last night, the heat loose of the Pacers.
16:26Really tall time, dude.
16:2825 points.
16:29Hey, most life said trade, trade Jimmy to the lava.
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