00:00Well, actually, no, I actually don't find it that controversial, partly because it's means tested.
00:06I know several people, sort of in my parents' generation, who were entitled to the winter fuel
00:12payment, but are actually in the bracket, which means they wouldn't get it. And I might be wrong
00:19about how accurate the means testing is in terms of who would be exempt. But to me, it actually
00:26does make sense, because there are a lot of people who would be eligible for it, who actually don't
00:32need winter fuel payments. There are definitely people who do, and whether that assessment is
00:37made at the right point is probably the question. So some bills are increasing,
00:41and others are decreasing. Do you still think we're in a cost of living crisis?
00:46Oh, God. Well, I think it's...
00:49It's...
00:53Something's happening. It always does. But I don't think I've...
00:55I won't live long enough to experience it and look back and say, I remember when...
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