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00:00:11 What a very good Friday morning Trinidad and Tobago.
00:00:14 I'm Urvashi Thumari Rupnurain and welcome to the TV6 Morning Edition.
00:00:19 It has been a very bumper week here sitting on set and of course sharing each morning with you.
00:00:24 Thank you so much for choosing us to take you through your morning and to really kick off your day.
00:00:30 It's of course December 8th, 2023. The festive season is upon us.
00:00:35 Thank you so much again for joining us.
00:00:37 Well as is customary, we tell you what's happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
00:00:40 And for that we go straight to the front pages of the Express newspaper.
00:00:44 Charles Quitt's Naparima MP74 bows out of politics citing old age.
00:00:51 And of course that very tragic story coming out of our neighbor country Guyana.
00:00:56 Five die in Guyana copter crash.
00:01:00 The Express I must say has some very interesting stories.
00:01:04 Today you would want to head out to your newsstands and grab your copy now.
00:01:09 And if you can't head out there, why not log on to www.trinidadexpress.com.
00:01:14 Tribute from Kamala as Charles bows out.
00:01:17 Move follows criticism from Mooneylao.
00:01:19 A mortuary attendant was beaten and left for dead.
00:01:23 Duke, that's of course Watson Duke to stand trial for rape.
00:01:28 Sex with minor hockey boss Roger St. Rose, president of the TNT hockey board, charged with sex with minor.
00:01:39 And of course as we continue to look at developments a little further afield,
00:01:44 Jamaica hopes for peaceful resolution to the Guyana-Essequibo matter.
00:01:49 CARICOM meets on Guyana border dispute.
00:01:52 There are emergency talks on today.
00:01:54 And of course that feature story five killed as GDF helicopter crashes.
00:01:59 It would be a lot of people are suspecting that it would have been an attack from Venezuela.
00:02:05 But of course that investigation is still underway.
00:02:07 We'll touch base a little later on in the show with our team of Mark Besant and Brandon Benoit
00:02:13 who are in Guyana just to get an update on that.
00:02:16 Of course the US reaffirmed support for Guyana.
00:02:18 And Guyana says whatever it takes we will defend our country.
00:02:24 We've got a story there as well.
00:02:26 Fire guts palm me school and vandals attack another Hindu temple.
00:02:30 So a lot of developments.
00:02:32 You've got to grab your copy of the Express newspaper.
00:02:34 Let's find out what's happening in sport.
00:02:37 Lazarus rises up presentation when third inter-college title defenses dominated.
00:02:44 The 2023 secondary schools Coca-Cola National Boys inter-college final
00:02:49 and St. Anthony's College had a penalty saved before the presentation.
00:02:54 College Lions of San Fernando won 7-6 on spot kick.
00:02:59 I did manage to catch just a little bit of that and it really was riveting.
00:03:04 Golden Stewart feels like a forgotten man and that's of course inside the Express newspaper.
00:03:11 Well it's now time to remind you of our Trinbago Unite feature to participate.
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00:03:29 Our quote this morning to kick off your day.
00:03:34 One of the secrets to living a long happy life is to continuously see old things in a new way.
00:03:43 I've got a very packed show for you this morning.
00:03:45 You don't want to miss it.
00:03:47 We of course did an interview, an exclusive interview with opposition leader Kamala Basard-Bissau.
00:03:52 So we will bring you that in a short bit just after the break.
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00:06:38 Welcome back to Renate in Tobago to kick off our show this morning.
00:06:51 We do that with our pre-recorded one-on-one exclusive interview with opposition leader Kamala Basad Basasa.
00:06:59 It's her first one-on-one in nine years.
00:07:02 Our producer Nicole M. Romany has been working hard on this interview for months with the opposition leader's team to make this happen.
00:07:10 On Wednesday afternoon, our cameraman Emmanuel Nunez, Nicole and I trekked down to her MP office just opposite the Pinal Market.
00:07:18 This is that interview.
00:07:21 Opposition leader Kamala Basad Basasa, thank you so much for inviting us to your office.
00:07:27 This is of course where it all started.
00:07:30 Certainly, and I thank you for making the trip down.
00:07:34 You see what I have to do in my life.
00:07:37 We had a function here recently, Diwali function, and several ambassadors visited, attended.
00:07:43 And one of them asked me, "So what do you do? You come from here to Port of Spain? Where do you live?"
00:07:48 I said, "I live between here and Port of Spain so I can commute."
00:07:52 But this is where it all began.
00:07:54 In fact, I launched my campaign out of this yard in 2009.
00:08:02 And then that internal election was in 2010.
00:08:06 So yes, it began here.
00:08:08 It's still here. The activity continues.
00:08:10 Earlier before we came, in Rashi, we had a lot of preschool children, I was mentioning to you.
00:08:15 It was so wonderful that they asked to come and to sing and do some carols for us.
00:08:20 But of course, before you assumed leadership of the United National Congress,
00:08:26 before you became Prime Minister, you started off as Member of Parliament for Siporea.
00:08:31 That was of course in 1995. You've been undefeated since.
00:08:35 When you look around at your office, what sort of memories come back to you when you think about those early days?
00:08:42 But before I became an MP, you may remember I was an alderman,
00:08:46 what was then known as the St. Patrick County Council, in the heart of Siporea.
00:08:51 So I didn't have this office then.
00:08:53 In those days, councillors and aldermen did not have offices.
00:08:56 That was one of the changes that we made when we went to government to give councillors an office
00:09:02 and let them at least have one member of staff.
00:09:04 So what memories come from here? All the memories.
00:09:07 The good, the bad, and the ugly all emanated from Siporea.
00:09:10 And the good and the bad and the ugly remains in Siporea in a sense.
00:09:14 So Siporea has always been so supportive, as you said,
00:09:17 and I have very, very fond and loving memories from the people and from the activities.
00:09:22 We've had almost every kind of activity you can think of coming out of this office.
00:09:27 Legal aid clinics, medical clinics, and then the festivities, Diwali, Christmas, Carnival even.
00:09:34 We had some challenges in the COVID period when the country was on lockdown,
00:09:38 but yes, it began here and continues here, and will continue with the blessings of the Lord.
00:09:43 Of course, now a borough, what do you envision for the future of Siporea?
00:09:50 Well, first of all, it's a fallacy.
00:09:53 It's a name change, and by being the borough of Siporea has made no difference to anything.
00:10:01 In law, there is no change. It's just a name change.
00:10:05 One may say that it gives us a kind of status to call yourself a borough,
00:10:09 but the services have not improved, financing does not improve, nothing.
00:10:13 So it's a name change.
00:10:14 Instead, the council hasn't spent money, the corporation hasn't spent money to do what?
00:10:20 Name change on all their vehicles, their buildings, all their departments, their letterheads even.
00:10:25 So it costs a few million dollars, which the work has begun, but no money has been allocated by government.
00:10:32 So to call Siporea a borough has made no difference to any improvement in the goods and services provided to the people of Siporea.
00:10:40 That was merely a political gimmick in my respectful view.
00:10:44 In any event, what do you envision, what do you hope for ideally for this place that you call yours, that you call home?
00:10:53 There are many things.
00:10:54 First of all, Siporea has been negatively impacted with the shutdown of PetroTrain
00:11:00 because large facilities out in Palaseko have all been shut down,
00:11:05 including the very huge stadium and sports ground that was down there.
00:11:10 With that shutdown, it has impacted the business community of Siporea.
00:11:14 That was the mainstay of the economy in Siporea.
00:11:17 So you see, what I envisage, I would like us to work on getting things done that will again bring back life to the economy.
00:11:24 If you drive down into Siporea now, it is like a ghost town.
00:11:28 You will get traffic, yes.
00:11:30 And part of that traffic, of course, is because it did not complete the highway.
00:11:34 So everybody has to demit the road at the D-Bay Junction,
00:11:38 and everybody heading further south has to come down on this SS Road,
00:11:42 all the way down to Palaseko, Santa Flora, and those places.
00:11:45 What do I envisage, or what would I like to see?
00:11:47 We have to do things with respect to the economy.
00:11:50 As with the rest of the country, infrastructure is the worst that you can see.
00:11:55 And economy doesn't just mean businesses, it means jobs.
00:11:58 There have been so many job losses.
00:12:00 You will ask me, what do I envisage?
00:12:02 I envisage it's not just for Siporea, but for Trinidad and Tobago.
00:12:05 Throughout the country, the job losses have been massive,
00:12:09 and they've been worst in the Southland because of the shutdown of Petrochina as a major factor.
00:12:16 Job creation, there's no new revenue stream,
00:12:19 nothing new being done to create jobs that will bring in a revenue stream.
00:12:25 You'll ask me, what can Siporea do?
00:12:27 We have a very famous Desi Vonce Center, the corporation built up that place there.
00:12:34 We would want to see more of that in terms of tourists,
00:12:37 outside tourists coming into the Southland.
00:12:40 Desi Vonce was famous and remains famous.
00:12:42 That is one thing we can do.
00:12:44 We, under my administration in Siporea, we built a huge ground for football, for cycling,
00:12:51 and there's also swimming in the heart of Siporea.
00:12:54 That has been totally underutilized and not maintained.
00:12:58 I would like to see that.
00:12:59 I remember growing up as a child, they had grown Siporea there.
00:13:03 The savannah was opposite my home at that time.
00:13:06 It still is, of course.
00:13:08 Not this present home, but my home growing up.
00:13:10 And there was always some activity there.
00:13:12 We would have cycling.
00:13:14 Cyclists would come from all over the country for that cycling track that was there.
00:13:18 I put back that track and we did.
00:13:20 It's not being used.
00:13:22 You have actual football, the football ground.
00:13:25 There was always something happening.
00:13:27 And then you would have all kinds of activity with people coming into Siporea.
00:13:32 Siporea is famous for the Deltone steel pan.
00:13:34 The Deltones had their steel pan behind my house in Siporea.
00:13:37 And they too, carnival activity, everything has gone total standstill.
00:13:41 So those are some of the things I see that can be done.
00:13:44 But I think one of the most important is looking for revenue streams and job creation.
00:13:49 Not just here, but throughout our country.
00:13:52 Let's move now, if you don't mind, to major national issues affecting the country.
00:13:58 First and foremost will be crime.
00:14:01 We see the murder rate continuing to increase, although it's a little bit lower than last year.
00:14:07 Are you satisfied with that?
00:14:09 Certainly not. One murder, one home invasion is one too many.
00:14:15 I don't think the government is paying much attention to the crime.
00:14:18 Let me take you into the anti-crime talks that we had proposed to be done.
00:14:22 In spite of my various correspondences dating back from October 14th,
00:14:27 in December there has been no response, not even a courtesy of a reply from the government
00:14:32 with respect to getting those things off the ground.
00:14:35 And the crime continues unabated.
00:14:37 Apart from that, recently we've been talking about the age for marijuana use, the age for gambling.
00:14:45 I talked about on Monday night about the whole issue of sexual abuse of minors and of teenagers.
00:14:52 Those areas are all related to the crime.
00:14:55 The government's approach is lock up more people.
00:14:59 They're focused, obsessed with no-bail legislation.
00:15:06 They're focused on that, but that's not the issue. That is all after the fact.
00:15:10 What can we do before the crimes have been committed?
00:15:13 These were some of the issues we wanted to raise with the government in the anti-crime talks.
00:15:17 In fact, we sent some of the proposals to government.
00:15:20 Those were some of the things we would like to see happening,
00:15:23 that we don't just deal with the crime from this myopic view of lock up people, lock up people, lock them up, no-bail, no-bail, no-bail.
00:15:30 And you've heard the government crying.
00:15:32 There has been a cry for the past so many years, the opposition will not support the anti-crime legislation.
00:15:37 First of all, that is not true. But I'll come back to that point in a moment.
00:15:41 It's that we have to look at preventative measures as well.
00:15:45 I talked about the Sullivan Ryan report, a 457-page document compiled by the late Professor Sullivan Ryan
00:15:54 and several other very influential people in terms of academia, in terms of security.
00:16:00 And we had implemented some of those, but some still remain outstanding, which would help us with the preventive aspects.
00:16:07 He recommended things to do with work in the schools, what we could do in schools,
00:16:11 what we can do with children after they leave school, when you finish school at 2.30 or 3.00 p.m.
00:16:16 We had introduced, in fact, based on some of that, homework centers.
00:16:20 We have suggested that places of worship, every community has a place of worship,
00:16:26 a church, a mosque or a mandir can be used after school from 2.30 to 3.00 p.m.
00:16:32 where children's parents are out working, can be used until 6.00 p.m., for example,
00:16:37 with mentors and guidance officers there, can be used on weekends.
00:16:41 Within the community, there will be safe places that the children can be instead of out in the streets.
00:16:46 There are so many, I said, they say we don't support anti-crime.
00:16:50 I've been painstakingly stating, look at how many pieces of legislation.
00:16:56 And therefore, again, it is a very myopic view that it is legislation that will solve crime.
00:17:02 When the Prime Minister suggested the crime talks, we agreed.
00:17:05 The Prime Minister wanted to restrict it only to legislation.
00:17:10 But we have thousands of legislation in our statute books, and that is not the way to go.
00:17:17 All the legislation is to do with after you have committed a crime.
00:17:21 What do we have in place for before the crime is committed in terms of nurturing young minds and so on?
00:17:27 I think we need to focus, as I say, on lock-up, on lock-up legislation.
00:17:33 Given all the trials and tribulations, even to get these crime talks started,
00:17:40 do you expect anything formidable to come out of it?
00:17:44 You mean substantial? Well, that is formidable too, of course.
00:17:48 Substantially formidable. Apparently, no talks are not going anywhere.
00:17:53 So what our party has decided to do, and I already have all three deputy leaders crafting that proposal for us,
00:18:00 as to where we'll go and when, if we are going to start anti-crime talks in the country,
00:18:06 we'll go out and talk to the stakeholders and talk to anybody who wishes to come,
00:18:09 we will start our own anti-crime talks.
00:18:11 We will not sit and wait for the government to continue to find reasons not to have the crime talks.
00:18:16 So your talks will essentially be with the people?
00:18:19 With the people.
00:18:20 Where does it go from there?
00:18:22 Once we get, well, where does it go from there? Let's take it step by step.
00:18:25 When we get those, of course, we send it to government, we share it with civil society,
00:18:30 and from there, where it goes? It goes to the next election.
00:18:33 Those will be our proposals to combat crime, to help the fight against crime, in the fight against crime.
00:18:39 Because the present government seems totally incapable of dealing with the crime crisis in the country.
00:18:45 So step by step, we share it with the government and we share it with civil society,
00:18:49 and we wait until the day comes to vote this government out of office and to implement proper crime fighting mechanisms.
00:18:57 Actually, sorry, let me take a pause here.
00:18:59 When we were in government, we brought serious crimes down in our five-year period to the lowest in three decades.
00:19:05 In three decades, 30 years, we brought serious crimes down.
00:19:11 So we have a track record.
00:19:13 Of course, some of those policies may work still, but we do have others,
00:19:17 and we will get more when we go to the stakeholders and have these conversations in the country.
00:19:22 Of course, very often, Mrs. Besar Wisetsoe, when you speak, your critics would say,
00:19:26 "They are talking now. Why did they not do it while in office?"
00:19:31 How do you respond?
00:19:32 Well, that's a very simple answer.
00:19:35 We had five years in office, and there are so many things we did.
00:19:39 As I said, we brought the serious crimes down in those five years to the lowest in three decades.
00:19:44 We grew the economy. GDP was at the highest.
00:19:47 Our foreign exchange earnings were at the highest.
00:19:50 Now we are in minus forex.
00:19:52 During our period, it was about $40 billion in forex and foreign direct earnings,
00:19:57 FDI, foreign direct investment, came into T&T.
00:20:01 Since this government has come in, we have gone into minus, minus FDI.
00:20:05 You know what that means? There's an outflow.
00:20:08 There's an outflow. People are leaving and fleeing.
00:20:11 So yes, five years, compared to I don't know how many years our opponents have had,
00:20:16 we did a lot, and it will take us a long time for me to continue to repeat what these are.
00:20:21 But the economy grew. We created over 50,000 new jobs.
00:20:25 We did that without a single new tax, not one new tax.
00:20:31 FDI, our road infrastructure, we developed hospitals, schools, over 106 schools we built,
00:20:39 and we left many others in an almost complete, some 80, 90% complete.
00:20:45 Right here in my constituency, there are two massive structures that are all now covered in bush
00:20:50 where the windows have gone, the doors have gone, whatever was in them.
00:20:54 They were vandalized and just lying there. I think there's some vagrants living in them now.
00:20:58 They were almost complete and just gave up on them.
00:21:02 When we talked about 106 schools built, they asked us, "Well, where are they?"
00:21:06 And one day, our former minister of education in parliament, he got up and he read the names of all 106.
00:21:14 In addition, those that were completed, there were those that were being constructed,
00:21:21 as I say, that have been left to the bushes and to the vagrants and to the elements.
00:21:26 So they asked me, "Why didn't I do it?" I said, "We did a lot."
00:21:30 In education, for the economy, national security, bringing crime down,
00:21:35 and road and bridge infrastructure, we were famous.
00:21:38 They used to call us the "Box-rain government." I don't know if anybody remembers that.
00:21:41 I'm proud at least we were able to do box-rain because of flooding.
00:21:44 Look what's happening now with the flooding. It just drizzles.
00:21:47 Portisville is now, they used to laugh at us in the Southland, say we come from the lagoon and the swamp land.
00:21:53 And now Portisville is just flooding with the slightest bit of rain.
00:21:57 So why didn't I do it in those five years?
00:22:00 We did as much, of course, we could always do more.
00:22:03 There's always room for improvement, but we did a tremendous amount in the health sector as well.
00:22:08 In almost every sector, we performed in those first five years.
00:22:13 Reflecting once again on crime, do you believe Gary Griffith, in and of himself, as a personality, was a solution to crime?
00:22:23 I wouldn't use it with solution. I'd say Gary has his ways.
00:22:28 He's a very talkative person, as I am sometimes, but he did a good job.
00:22:34 He was one of our ministers of national security during my term of office,
00:22:38 and we brought that crime down, as I'm saying. He was part of that and helped us.
00:22:42 And then we as commissioner, we didn't have the sense of lawlessness and the rampant crime that we're having now for that period of time.
00:22:49 To say he was a solution, I say he was a good commissioner of police, and in my term, he was a good minister of national security.
00:22:55 And I still think he has a lot to offer the country when it comes to dealing with national security issues.
00:23:02 And of course, let's just say the UNC does win the next general election.
00:23:06 Would he have a role in the fight against crime?
00:23:09 He will have a role. I will not say specifically now. Those are matters open for discussion.
00:23:14 But certainly, he is part of our government. There will be a role for him.
00:23:18 He's a very creative and a very competent person in his own right.
00:23:22 So, Mrs. Besar Besasa, in the lead-up to the local government election, of course, on the campaign trail,
00:23:27 you made some comments as it related to crime and home invasions. Light them up, empty the clip.
00:23:33 It received mixed reactions, but also a fair amount of criticism.
00:23:38 Do you stand by those statements in reflection?
00:23:41 I stand by those statements. At the moment, a homeowner is defenseless.
00:23:47 You see, there are laws, but the laws are not in favor of a homeowner defending his wife or a homeowner defending husband and children.
00:23:57 You are defenseless. And therefore, in the United States, many of the states, they have the stand your ground laws,
00:24:04 which gives a person their own home and in your castle, that's your castle, which gives you that right to defend yourself and your family.
00:24:12 You don't wait until they reach up in front of your door and put a gun next to your head, and then you say, "Oh, please, I can now knock you down."
00:24:19 So, the existing laws is that you must use reasonable force, and there must be reasonable suspicion that the person means you harm.
00:24:26 But should a stranger enter your home, it is clear they come with no good intention.
00:24:30 And therefore, laws need to revise so that you can stand your ground to defend your home and your family.
00:24:36 When I said, "Light them up and empty the clip," of course, if a man is there over your wife, raping your wife, what are you going to do?
00:24:43 Empty the clip. And I want you to think about if a child, someone is there raping your daughter, what do you do?
00:24:49 Stand up and watch and say, "No, no, the law says I must use reasonable force. I'll push him over with my hand."
00:24:54 No, I stand by empty the clip. And I stand by also giving law-abiding citizens the right to bear arms.
00:25:03 So, those are laws we need to change.
00:25:06 If a man comes with a gun into your home, what do you have?
00:25:10 What do you have? You have two bare hands. What are you going to do?
00:25:14 The right to bear arms. Of course, there will be the circumstances in which you'll be given those.
00:25:20 The various, what do you call it, safety areas, if you call it that.
00:25:25 So, first of all, you must not have a criminal record.
00:25:28 Secondly, you will be given some kind of psychiatric test as well, whether you do it yourself or it is one you will be required to go through some psychological examination so that you're not giving guns to madmen.
00:25:40 As I said, the law will have areas within which to ensure safety and security.
00:25:44 But while the criminal could go out there and get a gun without any restriction, I think law-abiding citizens should also have that right to bear arms in our country.
00:25:54 What about responses to statements like those, like even the Prime Minister, who would say that putting more guns on the street, out in the public, is not a solution?
00:26:05 I don't agree with him, obviously. I do not agree with him.
00:26:09 I think a citizen of our land should have the right to defend themselves, one, and be given the tools necessary to defend himself or herself.
00:26:20 Clearly, we have a different perspective on this issue of gun ownership by law-abiding citizens.
00:26:26 I do not agree with the Prime Minister's position of putting more guns on the streets.
00:26:29 The guns out there, whether you want to believe it or not, why doesn't the Prime Minister's government look to preventing the flow of those guns into our country?
00:26:36 Because we don't make them. Those guns are coming here illegally. What have we done to stem the tide?
00:26:42 I remember the Prime Minister promising our country to set up some kind of bridge or net or wall, a maritime wall.
00:26:52 He said it was a maritime wall to stop the influx.
00:26:55 You've been there eight years, going on nine, and the guns continue to flow into Trinidad and Tobago.
00:27:00 You fail in that regard. So therefore, citizens must have the right, law-abiding, to defend themselves.
00:27:08 Do you think those statements, as emphatic as they were, affected the UNC at the polls?
00:27:16 I think we did better in the polls than we did before.
00:27:19 In the last, I think it helped us because people are terrified in this country.
00:27:24 People are scared to walk the street. They're scared in their home.
00:27:28 Last time I'm hearing a noise and I'm waking up, my husband, "Greg, what is that?"
00:27:33 I have a little puppy. Puppy started barking. She barks every little noise.
00:27:37 "Greg, what could that possibly be?" And it was a sound coming from the ceiling.
00:27:42 I said, "Could this be some invader?" Thank God it wasn't.
00:27:47 You can imagine you're in your home, as I say, with your family, I come back to it again.
00:27:51 And I think that the fairer the citizens are living in and the kinds of solutions that we were offering on the platform
00:27:58 resonated with a large proportion of the voter population.
00:28:03 That is why we got more votes than the government, in spite of the fact that we did 21 less seats.
00:28:10 We contested 21 less seats. They contested all the seats.
00:28:14 Yet we got about, what was it, 43,000 more votes than the government.
00:28:19 So yes, the answer is yes. Because people want solutions now.
00:28:23 They don't want to come crying. I remember in that campaign, it was so hilarious for us in our party.
00:28:29 That the government keeps saying, "But they're not talking about local government.
00:28:32 They're not talking about local government. They're talking about everything else."
00:28:35 But everything else matters. Everything else matters.
00:28:39 So when they were trying to restrict me to talk about borough status in Siparia or Nega Martin, as I said,
00:28:45 total fallacy. Nothing has changed and nothing will change because there's no difference
00:28:50 between a borough and a regional corporation.
00:28:53 They said, "But you must talk about local government reform." What?
00:28:56 When was local government election and all this reform talk?
00:28:59 Do you know out of that piece of law they passed for local government reform,
00:29:03 only one section they have proclaimed to this date.
00:29:07 And that was the one to postpone the local government elections.
00:29:11 Thank God for the Privy Council and thank God for lawyers like Arnand Ramlogan,
00:29:15 who took the case right up and said, "According to law, you have to call the elections."
00:29:20 So my answer to you is yes. Our message resonated.
00:29:24 Because people want solutions to the ills and anxieties they are experiencing and stressing out.
00:29:30 Another thing we talked about was the gated communities on the local platform.
00:29:34 People are fighting really hard up in Arangas, Bamu, to get a gated community.
00:29:41 And other areas, of course, in Valseine, our treasurer of our party, Neil Gosine,
00:29:48 he worked there with residents. He's the president of a particular part of Valseine.
00:29:52 And they got a gated community. We are working with several persons here.
00:29:56 I had promised we would work with you where we have UNC corporations to help you get a gated community.
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00:30:14 So some of those things we've already mentioned, in addition to the gated communities,
00:30:19 another message in our campaigning, I think resonated well for us with the voters.
00:30:24 This may be a good point for us to take a quick break. So to our viewers, we'll be right back.
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00:33:47 Our viewers, we are continuing our discussion with leader of the opposition, Kamala Bissar Bissar.
00:33:54 So Mrs. Bissar, Bissar, burning topic not just in our country but across the region
00:33:59 is the Venezuela-Guayana controversy over the Essequibo region.
00:34:04 Of course, the UNC has been quite vocal about it.
00:34:07 Foreign Affairs Minister Dr. Amory Brown, of course, said that the UNC doesn't have a place.
00:34:12 Does the UNC have a voice in this matter?
00:34:15 We certainly have a voice and we should have a voice.
00:34:18 If we back up a little bit, rewind, in 2015 when I was still Prime Minister,
00:34:27 a similar claim arose from Venezuela claiming territorial waters of Guyana.
00:34:34 And I stood with then President Granger very clearly and said that Venezuela has no claim to those.
00:34:42 Venezuela should adhere to the international rule of law, international court rulings,
00:34:48 and should just stay off, lay off.
00:34:50 Now it was interesting when they proclaimed, when the Venezuelan presidential decree
00:34:56 was proclaimed about the territorial waters of Guyana, it was in the run up to an election.
00:35:02 They were having an election.
00:35:04 Once again, they run up to another election and then the war drums are beating
00:35:09 and the trumpets are blowing and so on, calling to invade.
00:35:13 So it's a good thing that dictators have a way, they play on, focus on nationalism
00:35:18 and therefore get into Venezuela and people worked about nationalism
00:35:21 and about taking back this land that they want, they say belong to them.
00:35:25 If we look at the history of it, it is clear that they do not have a proper legal claim to the land.
00:35:31 From 1899, they signed these agreements, then our colonial powers signed Spain and Britain.
00:35:40 And that's how Guyana was given this piece of land.
00:35:43 Legally they signed the agreements and they continue, what is it, 100 years, 1899, 1999,
00:35:50 coming down the road another 20 something years and they continue to lay claim from the land.
00:35:55 They refer to a Geneva agreement to give them credence, to say yes, this land is ours.
00:36:00 That agreement, the Geneva agreement was later down the road.
00:36:04 And it's interesting in that Geneva agreement, there is a clause which says
00:36:08 that if there is continued dispute about anything, they will succumb to the ICG.
00:36:17 And that's where the matter is now, is before the International Criminal Court
00:36:22 and they should await the ruling of that court.
00:36:25 At the moment if they decide to invade, they will be breaching international law,
00:36:31 all the tenets of international law.
00:36:33 So we wait to see if they will continue in this mode.
00:36:36 We wait to see if they really do go in.
00:36:39 I am totally of the view and our party totally believes we have to stand side by side with Guyana.
00:36:46 You know, Dr. Eric Williams in his day also operated as a mediator, Trinidad and Tobago.
00:36:53 You know, we were number one out there in foreign policy.
00:36:55 The minister now, the foreign minister of our country is now saying they will not intervene,
00:37:00 they will not mediate, they will not intercede.
00:37:02 What madness is that?
00:37:04 That is madness.
00:37:05 Venezuela is next door to us.
00:37:07 We are part of the family of CARICOM, of which Guyana is part of it.
00:37:10 Our first duty has to be to CARICOM.
00:37:12 And Eric Williams in those days and thereafter,
00:37:15 Trinidad and Tobago was at the forefront in diplomacy and policymaking.
00:37:19 If we have a relationship in both countries, what is wrong with us interceding, seeking to mediate?
00:37:26 Because we have friendships with both.
00:37:28 He talks about, what is it, a zone of peace.
00:37:31 Well, if you want a zone of peace, let's mediate.
00:37:34 We are not intervening to fire missiles.
00:37:36 We are saying, hey, let's talk.
00:37:38 If you really want, I'm shocked to hear him.
00:37:40 I saw him on the news recently, might have been last night or the night before,
00:37:44 saying we will not mediate, we will not intercede.
00:37:49 I think that is madness.
00:37:51 We are poised.
00:37:53 We are poised in such a good position because of our good diplomatic relations with Guyana over the years
00:37:59 and with Venezuela and our present relationships with Venezuela with respect to drug and gas
00:38:06 that we are in an ideal position to try to get the parties, let's talk, not fight.
00:38:11 Of course, it's a huge discussion.
00:38:14 A lot of questions have been weighing in.
00:38:16 If I could reference Mariano Brown, economist,
00:38:19 he of course said that Trinidad and Tobago would be foolish to try to jeopardize our economic benefit
00:38:27 that we could get from Venezuela through the drug and gas deal and so on by even trying to intervene.
00:38:33 I am saying we must make sure.
00:38:36 Well, to intervene means what?
00:38:38 We send troops? That's not what I'm saying.
00:38:40 I'm saying we are poised diplomatically.
00:38:42 There could be discussions where we can maintain our good relations with Venezuela and with Guyana.
00:38:48 That's one point.
00:38:49 Drug and gas, will we jeopardize it?
00:38:51 We are not sending troops.
00:38:53 Let's hope it doesn't ever come to that.
00:38:55 What we are saying is we should attempt to negotiate and mediate.
00:38:59 They are both our friends.
00:39:01 They are our neighbors.
00:39:02 If you want a true zone of peace, then what you need to do is talk.
00:39:06 You must talk.
00:39:07 You cannot just barge in and leave it alone.
00:39:10 I think we are being ostriches,
00:39:12 burying our heads in the sand by saying we will not intervene, we will not mediate.
00:39:16 I think we should do that.
00:39:18 What can we do?
00:39:19 Does the UNC have a voice?
00:39:20 Of course we always have a voice.
00:39:22 As a loyal opposition of our country, we have a voice to put forward our positions.
00:39:27 We will not have the authority or the power should the worst come to the worst.
00:39:31 And then the third point, jeopardizing the drug and gas deal,
00:39:35 I think we should ensure that whatever deal comes through,
00:39:38 and I hope it comes through because we badly need it,
00:39:41 that we should put in some kind of conditions there
00:39:44 that whatever revenue the Maduro government gets,
00:39:48 that it will not be used to buy arms and ammunition to use against our neighbors in Ghana.
00:39:53 I think those are some of the areas.
00:39:55 But we have raised our voices.
00:39:57 How do we ensure that?
00:39:59 One way is by talking about it, of course, because if we don't speak it,
00:40:03 you will not know it or even think it.
00:40:05 And the other way is for us to lobby internationally, which is already happening.
00:40:12 So the more voices that are raised,
00:40:14 you will form a conglomeration of persons against such a move to put pressure.
00:40:18 That's the most you can do, is to put pressure on Venezuela to cease and desist.
00:40:23 I think the public personality of Venezuela's president, Nicolas Maduro,
00:40:28 is that anyone who may even seek to mediate and so on may be viewed as an opposer,
00:40:35 someone who is opposing his move and his stance.
00:40:39 And the ball seems to be in his court as it relates to energy deals with Trinidad and Tobago,
00:40:45 because we had to do a lot of lobbying and negotiating as a country with Venezuela
00:40:49 just to get the agreement.
00:40:51 So it seems very easy to offend President Maduro.
00:40:57 I will not attempt to speak of his personality to deal with that issue.
00:41:03 But you're right, he seems to have the upper hand in that regard.
00:41:06 But there's a very powerful, powerful nation sitting right next to our doorstep,
00:41:13 which is the United States of America.
00:41:15 Remember this drug and gas series is not just about Venezuela.
00:41:18 It also involves the U.S.
00:41:21 And the U.S., I see, is already making moves.
00:41:23 They're already speaking about this.
00:41:25 And they will be part of the international lobby against Maduro and his aggression.
00:41:31 Brazil is another country that is very averse, very against the aggression from Venezuela.
00:41:37 So yes, Venezuela may seem to have the upper hand because they have to sign this agreement.
00:41:42 But the U.S. is also part of it, and the U.S. is a very powerful nation.
00:41:47 We'll have to see if the U.S. is willing to stand idly by
00:41:50 and allow the aggression from Venezuela into tiny Guyana.
00:41:55 Given that the United States have already presented themselves as allies of Guyana,
00:42:02 and we seem to be more or less sitting on the fence--yes, we have agreed with CARICOM, but we have--
00:42:07 We are sitting on the fence. This government is sitting on the fence.
00:42:11 Do you believe in that case that our position may affect our relationship with the United States?
00:42:20 That is left to be seen, and I will not doubt it.
00:42:23 I will not doubt it could affect--if the U.S. takes a particular direction,
00:42:28 we are one of the--the U.S. is one of our major trading partners.
00:42:32 It's going to affect us.
00:42:34 I lived in Jamaica at a particular time. It might be slightly related or not.
00:42:37 There was a time when I lived in Jamaica as a student, and then I was a lecturer at a university,
00:42:42 and a fellow by the name of Prime Minister Manly was in government.
00:42:46 And Manly allied himself as a group they called themselves the Non-Aligned Movement,
00:42:51 and the rest is history what happened to Jamaica.
00:42:55 The U.S. blockaded. We would go to the supermarket.
00:42:59 People would be fighting. They would put up about 10 packs of rice.
00:43:02 People would be fighting, grabbing the rice. There was a blockade.
00:43:05 So everything that you needed, basic things were just not left.
00:43:08 So the U.S. doesn't have to send an army, you know.
00:43:11 They have economic ways that they can--it can affect a country.
00:43:14 So I will not doubt should we go contrary to the direction or strategy of the U.S.,
00:43:21 it could have serious implications for our development here and our economy,
00:43:27 and of course for the livelihood of persons in our country.
00:43:30 As a Caribbean leader yourself, how do you see this situation panned out?
00:43:35 I'm praying that it pans out into a zone of peace.
00:43:39 But I will not, you know, as I say, be an ostrich and say, "Well, okay, they're not really going to fight."
00:43:43 Maduro is in election mode and he's trumpeting and beating the drums and so on.
00:43:49 I do hope not just Renato Bego but the CARICOM, which has such a great bond with Ghana,
00:43:55 that we should in some way intercede with negotiations and with talks before it gets anywhere else.
00:44:02 At the moment, it can go either way, any which way.
00:44:05 I'm still of the view and I'm still hoping that Maduro is just in election mode
00:44:10 and therefore, you know, coalescing his troops and the people in Venezuela at this point in time.
00:44:16 I would like to ask you, how do you see it panning out?
00:44:21 That's an interesting question because I'm quite aware of the risks and the wider implications
00:44:27 for the Caribbean and Trinidad and Tobago being quite close to both of those territories.
00:44:33 We're seeing intensified action.
00:44:35 President Maduro a couple of days ago gave his government instructions to go ahead and exploit and explore the Essequibo.
00:44:43 He gave persons with Guyanese licenses three months to vacate the Essequibo.
00:44:49 So, he seems to be intent on taking control of the Essequibo and that part scares me.
00:44:59 Well, you know, part of the history is that you cannot find anything Venezuelan in that part of the region that he's claiming.
00:45:07 1899, so many years ago, the agreement was signed with the colonial powers
00:45:14 and today there is not one little thing as a, that's Venezuela.
00:45:20 That looks like there's nothing that actually settled the area.
00:45:24 You are seeing panning out, do you think he might really go forward with the aggression?
00:45:29 But I think there's still time for intercession, interventions and non-violent ones
00:45:35 for us and other international bodies to bring pressure to bear
00:45:40 before it actually reaches the invasion of the Guyanese piece of territory.
00:45:46 Mrs. Pesad with us, it's now time for another quick break.
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00:48:33 Welcome back to our viewers.
00:48:34 We are continuing our discussion with opposition leader Kamala Pesada-Visasa.
00:48:38 Mrs. Pesada-Visasa, we're seeing maps being circulated, it's being suggested that it was published by the Venezuelan government, which includes Trinidad as part of its territory.
00:48:53 Years ago, our first prime minister, Dr. Williams, has spoken about that and about the designs of Venezuela on Trinidad territory.
00:49:01 So it is something we must keep conscious all the time.
00:49:04 Should they decide to invade Venezuela, should Venezuela decide to invade Ghana, what is to stop them from similarly attempting to invade TNT?
00:49:14 And the fact that we have to sign papers with them and they have to get things for us to sign for drug and gas, they could just invade us and take the drug and gas, we'll take all of it.
00:49:23 Not just their part of it, but also ours.
00:49:26 So again, we have to be very conscious this thing is not just about Ghana, it is also about Trinidad and Tobago.
00:49:32 I said on Monday night, if you touch one in Ghana, you're also touching Trinidad and Tobago.
00:49:37 Stay out of Ghana.
00:49:39 I maintain that view because we are also at risk.
00:49:44 Reflecting on your term as prime minister, is there anything that you would do differently?
00:49:52 There are some things I would do differently.
00:49:54 There were certain policy decisions that we took that I walked back on.
00:50:01 A few of them because there was such an outcry from the population for certain things that we were proposing.
00:50:07 Some of those I wish I had gone forward with.
00:50:10 Because I see this government, whether people cry or they laugh, they don't stop their policy positions.
00:50:16 And some of those positions would have been better for us.
00:50:19 There's always room for improvement, Urrashi.
00:50:21 There's so much more we could have done.
00:50:23 The one regret, as I say, we had talked about passing, Keevan reminded me of this recently.
00:50:29 We were looking to do fixed-date elections.
00:50:34 Then we were looking for fixed-date elections, two terms for a prime minister, and proportional representation.
00:50:43 Some of those we did walk back on, and there's some things I think we can revisit as we go forward.
00:50:48 Regrets as well.
00:50:51 I took a very strong policy position.
00:50:54 Maybe it was right, it was wrong, but I thought it was a principal's stand.
00:50:58 That if there was someone sitting in the cabinet, no member of their family should be allowed to sit on a state board.
00:51:05 So even though we had qualified persons, I didn't want a family connection.
00:51:10 I mean, right now we have the husband of the Speaker of the Houses sitting on several boards, and very important boards.
00:51:16 Several family members of the PNM ministers are sitting on various boards and whatever.
00:51:22 That was something I took a very strong stand against.
00:51:25 Some of them have been telling me I should not have done that, but it was a principal's stand
00:51:32 because it's a kind of conflict of interest, as I kind of enclave, you know, you're just holding on everything inside.
00:51:38 So that was another area some people feel I should have dealt with differently.
00:51:43 Do you think you were judged differently?
00:51:45 Of course.
00:51:47 Right now, I could tell your camera, "Take a shot of my shoes, please.
00:51:52 Don't, don't, don't, don't."
00:51:54 Was there any male Prime Minister that they put front page, I think it was your media group, by the way,
00:52:00 front page, my shoes, they were beautiful shoes, by the way.
00:52:04 But really, and at the same time, Theresa May had become Prime Minister around the same time,
00:52:08 and the same thing was happening to her.
00:52:10 So I was judged differently as a female leader, definitely.
00:52:15 And maybe I was judged differently for the things that people felt they should publicize.
00:52:21 So if I go somewhere, instead of talking about what I was doing, what I was saying,
00:52:25 "Shoes, shoes, have you ever seen a shoe of any other Prime Minister on a front page?"
00:52:30 "No." "No." "No? Maybe tomorrow somebody will go and take one on shoes, but no."
00:52:37 So that is a kind of a ridicule in the differences, you know.
00:52:41 Most certainly I was judged very differently, but by others in some things I was judged very fairly.
00:52:47 So a politician, you get it both ways. It never stopped me from doing what I had to do.
00:52:52 How do you feel about Caribbean integration?
00:52:55 Well, we have a kind of Caribbean integration now with the CARICOM,
00:52:59 but it seems to be more in writing than in implementation.
00:53:04 And for years we've been talking about it, it just hasn't been happening.
00:53:08 We have talkshops every year, you have the CARICOM heads meeting.
00:53:12 Look, we had a CARICOM heads of meeting here recently talking about what? Crime. Crime. Crime.
00:53:18 Has anything come out of that?
00:53:20 So we seem to use that integration, if I understand your use of the word correctly,
00:53:27 but it's only on lip service. You meet, the guy said, "I'm going to eat and drink,"
00:53:32 and then there is no implementation of any decision taken there.
00:53:36 The issue of CARICOM integration is good. It's good in principle,
00:53:40 because there are a few things that we have benefited from.
00:53:43 So where we have the certain taxes and putting whatever on goods coming from externally,
00:53:49 the CT and so on, you have certain things that were good for us that we could stand together.
00:53:54 Further, as an integrated region, we can bargain.
00:53:58 We have stronger bargaining power in getting certain things done,
00:54:03 but I think we pay more lip service than, as I say, how we should implement what we have.
00:54:09 What were some of the challenges you faced as a female leader?
00:54:14 Apart from issues. Apart from issues.
00:54:19 What challenges did I face?
00:54:21 Well, as a female leader, but as a leader, first I was a leader of five parties.
00:54:27 So when we sat in that cabinet, it's five different parties.
00:54:31 So one challenge was, first of all, how do you make everybody feel included and equally treated?
00:54:37 There were challenges with that as well.
00:54:41 I sat in a cabinet. Sometimes I used to say, and I'm sure everybody who sat in that cabinet would feel upset with me,
00:54:47 but sometimes it was like children dealing with children.
00:54:50 All the children want equal, equal, equal, equal.
00:54:53 If you smile with you and I don't smile with you.
00:54:56 And it happens still up to now. Some people still think I don't talk enough to them.
00:55:00 I try my best to talk with all of them to keep us together.
00:55:04 So I'm sorry I use the analogy of children, but in the cabinet sometimes it felt like that.
00:55:09 They'll be fighting them down. And maybe that's not being a female leader.
00:55:12 Maybe that's just being a leader with so many diverse groups.
00:55:15 So that was a serious challenge. But look, we held it together till the last day.
00:55:19 My government did not collapse. We held it for the full, the entire five-year period.
00:55:25 We stayed together. Some may have dropped out. Some may have been put out.
00:55:29 But we held the government together for a five-year period.
00:55:32 Quite recently there have been rumors about your health and so on.
00:55:38 Without being too invasive, are you at a position to tell us if you have any major ailments?
00:55:44 I have made it public long ago that I am diabetic, and that is my major issue.
00:55:49 I know recently they said I'd lost my toes and fingers.
00:55:51 So again, you may have to take a picture of the toes because I have all 10 toes and all 10 fingers certainly on me.
00:55:58 So my only health challenge is that I'm diabetic, but so are many other persons.
00:56:03 Unfortunately, my husband is as good as a doctor. He doesn't practice anymore, but he comes, "Check the sugar, check the sugar."
00:56:10 So every day he'll go up, "Check the sugar." And that's my challenge.
00:56:14 If it's high, you take some insulin. If it's not high, well, you smile and continue for the rest of the day.
00:56:20 So I really don't have any major health challenges.
00:56:23 Of course, as an older person, you have the normal problems of a person who gets a little bit older.
00:56:28 Sometimes you sit down too long and you can't stand up.
00:56:32 That's not true. I'm just being facetious with you.
00:56:35 I have no major health issues.
00:56:37 I will not go and run a 10-mile marathon, for example.
00:56:42 But in terms of the work I have to do in campaigning and doing meetings, holding consultations, whatever I have to do, those challenges do not affect me.
00:56:50 So I can give you that assurance. And for those who are concerned, I still have all 10 fingers and all 10 toes.
00:56:57 I didn't fall into any coma or anything like that. I've been, thank God, in fairly good health.
00:57:04 And as, of course, you reflect on life, you reflect on your career, you reflect on your public life, next election, win or lose,
00:57:13 what sort of legacy would you like to leave for the future of Trinidad and Tobago?
00:57:18 The legacy which I started to build and I will continue to build lies in education.
00:57:23 That has been closest to my heart, maybe because I was an educator myself.
00:57:27 As you may know, I lectured both at the Mona campus at the university.
00:57:32 I lectured here for a while, and before that I was a teacher.
00:57:36 And to me, I say it all the time, it's become like a stock phrase, education is your only passport out of poverty.
00:57:43 Education is a key to a better quality of life.
00:57:46 I have come from a very poor background growing up, and the things that have made me get a better quality of life is because of my education.
00:57:54 So my legacy has been in education. I began it under the Pandey government with Mr. Pandey's full approval.
00:58:01 He was also very keen on assisting children.
00:58:04 And we began there with the dreaded SCE, which was then called the Common Entrance.
00:58:10 I see now there are a lot of comments coming in the youth parliament, debated about the SCE, against the SCE.
00:58:16 But at that time, we had the Common Entrance exam, and all the ills of the Common Entrance, and we revised that,
00:58:23 and I came up with this SCE, Secondary Education Assessment.
00:58:27 There were components of it that are now not being kept any further.
00:58:32 So it had to do with, instead of just having this one-off exam, you had a continuous assessment program that was to go along with it.
00:58:38 That is not happening. But we got rid of that SCE.
00:58:41 But more important than getting rid of that SCE was finding a place in secondary school for every single child.
00:58:48 That was a tremendous challenge. I faced some flak from some persons, because we made sure not a child was left behind.
00:58:55 So that era of education.
00:58:57 After that, when I became the prime minister, the laptop program, I'm very proud of that laptop program.
00:59:06 And should this government have continued it, all the COVID challenges we had would not have happened,
00:59:12 because every child would have had a device to keep you linked and in contact with being in education.
00:59:18 I think that was a serious error on the part of the government to discontinue the laptop program.
00:59:23 And then of course, with scholarships, in the era of scholarships, we increased the number of scholarships.
00:59:29 We increased the tertiary level participation in the University of the West Indies.
00:59:33 And I'm very proud to say, in the last moments that we may have, that I meet children now who are no longer children.
00:59:40 And they say, you know, I still have the laptop you gave me. And they're so proud to tell me.
00:59:44 I'm so happy I still have this laptop.
00:59:47 One young man told me, he said, you know, I still have this laptop. I'm attending university now, and I use this laptop.
00:59:53 So I'm very proud of that program.
00:59:55 Should we go back into government, there's so many other things we could do in the education sector.
01:00:01 Again, education is your only passport out of poverty.
01:00:04 And that would be a great legacy, if at all, it endures.
01:00:08 Mrs. Bessar Bessas, I want to thank you so much for inviting us into your office, into your hometown, you know, expressing yourself.
01:00:17 Really, thank you for this sit-down conversation.
01:00:19 Thank you for taking the time to share with us, and of course, to share with the national public.
01:00:24 I thank you very much for this opportunity.
01:00:27 And I say, in case I don't speak to you on live television again, I want to wish you all a very blessed Merry Christmas in this holy season that we are.
01:00:36 Thank you very much for your time.
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01:05:33 Welcome back to Trinidad and Tobago where we're switching gears a bit now.
01:05:37 We're chatting with Antonio Prescott about his new book, How to Make Money on LinkedIn.
01:05:43 Antonio, thank you so much for leaving your Trinity home to join us.
01:05:47 You're most welcome.
01:05:48 To share your story. Now, of course, just reading the prelude to the book itself,
01:05:56 your story actually started off with something that, a struggle with your donor.
01:06:04 Yes.
01:06:05 So share that with us.
01:06:06 So basically, I got into sales and marketing where my father's friend told me,
01:06:14 Antonio, a lady is selling a car for a very reasonable price.
01:06:18 And I bought that car and was able to sell that car and made a hundred percent profit.
01:06:24 Because I didn't understand as a young person growing up as to what I want to become.
01:06:30 And you know, many young people these days have that struggle.
01:06:34 And just knowing that that God sent, you know, person, my good father, friend, told me about that vehicle,
01:06:41 sold that vehicle, made a hundred percent as I told you.
01:06:44 And from there, I started to purchase vehicles and I sold them and anything that I could get my hand on, I sold.
01:06:51 And then after, with COVID-19, it was a struggle.
01:06:55 And I realized that, A, I have to do something a bit different.
01:06:59 And that's where I reached out to CTS College.
01:07:02 My first interview, I failed because I was so nervous.
01:07:05 And then after, I was given another opportunity and I did well.
01:07:10 And since from then, 2019 to now, I lectured at CTS College, Sales and Marketing.
01:07:16 Of course, you struggled to find a job.
01:07:19 It's said here that the traditional methods of job searching didn't seem to be working.
01:07:25 No, it was not.
01:07:26 Because Caribbean jobs, all these local platforms that we have to seek job opportunities, so many people are applying and it's difficult.
01:07:36 But with Lincoln, the power of it is that we are not limited.
01:07:40 We have the international market.
01:07:42 It's a virtual platform.
01:07:44 And I reached out to many recruiters and Lincoln was able to cut opportunity.
01:07:50 I recently got an opportunity with LG Electronics.
01:07:53 So I'm the key account manager for LG Electronics.
01:07:56 And that is in Panama, the head office.
01:07:58 And if it wasn't for Lincoln, all these opportunities that I've gotten thus far would not have been possible.
01:08:04 So I had to write a book concerning how to make money on Lincoln because all of my opportunities are from Lincoln.
01:08:11 And I would like to even mention that I was a beta tester for Lincoln for approximately one year.
01:08:17 That was from 2020 to 2021.
01:08:20 So I'll be honest with you, Lincoln is not my favorite.
01:08:24 I find it a little bit depressing because everybody's celebrating promotions, new jobs.
01:08:29 And I'm at the same job for probably like about 10 or more years.
01:08:32 Well, you love what you do. Have to be.
01:08:34 Yeah.
01:08:35 Yeah.
01:08:36 I could say that.
01:08:37 So I could always do it a little more.
01:08:38 Yeah. Why not?
01:08:39 Because at the end of the day, I always tell people you go into a job to understand the functions, the operations of the job.
01:08:46 And then after you take that information and you have a side hustle and sometimes now your side hustle becomes so good in terms of the financing that that becomes your actual job.
01:08:57 And that should be everyone's focus right now, especially those young people these days who are a bit confused because the environment right now we live in, it's I don't know, it's like very toxic because the father figure presence is not there.
01:09:13 And the community leaders, they are becoming the father figures of these young people who do not know, you know, who to turn to.
01:09:20 And to me, it's very disheartening to you.
01:09:24 I'm sure it's the same and to everyone, mothers out there, you know, it's very difficult for a child to grow up without a father.
01:09:31 So what is a beta tester and what did that involve?
01:09:35 That was basically a feature or the event that Lincoln launched and UK Lincoln, they reached out to me because it have Lincoln head office in the US, in the UK and other places as well.
01:09:49 And they reached out and they said, hey, we see you do so many videos and we think that you could be someone who could launch our beta tester program.
01:09:59 It was like a thousand of us and I was given the opportunity, you know, in the Caribbean country, you're thinking that these opportunities would be given.
01:10:07 But I was thankful to learn so much about Lincoln with all these international people who was in this group with me.
01:10:14 And that was for one year.
01:10:16 Was that a PHR?
01:10:18 Yes, it was.
01:10:19 So, I mean, regular persons out there can also benefit from that opportunity.
01:10:24 Definitely. And the great thing about Lincoln is that you could search anyone.
01:10:30 Imagine I'm searching the director of RBC, for example, and getting to see that person name, full name and see the content that they may be providing.
01:10:40 So let's say I want to prospect to them and offer sales training for the sales reps and the marketing reps.
01:10:48 I know could be able to get that email through and have like integration, which is HubSpot.
01:10:55 And also it has Apollo that you could put email addresses, reach out to that person via email and based on the content that they are providing, you get an understanding of them.
01:11:06 So you make it business oriented and also personalization in the email.
01:11:11 So that way you will get a click, that response that you want from that prospect.
01:11:16 What made you, what was the motivation behind writing this book?
01:11:21 The motivation behind writing this book is that I realize people in the Caribbean, they underutilize Lincoln.
01:11:28 They're not seeing the value of Lincoln because other persons are talking about, you know, what they achieve.
01:11:34 And internationally, in terms of the COVID-19, I see so many persons who are out of jobs and literally they became millionaires utilizing Lincoln.
01:11:45 Opportunities, whether it be coaching, professional development, any field that they want to go in, they utilize Lincoln and they was able to do great things.
01:11:55 So I realize in the Caribbean people not utilizing Lincoln and it's powerful.
01:11:59 Yes, we have TikTok. Yes, we have Facebook, Instagram.
01:12:02 But the fact that you cannot see these business people, you cannot network with them.
01:12:07 You do not know who in what position, what, you know, career that they have.
01:12:12 And Lincoln to me was so powerful and I decided, hey, let me just don't just keep the information to myself.
01:12:18 Let me share it to everyone within the country and the Caribbean.
01:12:24 We have many different chapters, sections I should say, linked in audio and live event, linked in algorithm, monetizing and optimization, linked in strategy, search and market yourself.
01:12:37 And of course, sales navigator, which one would you say is the most profound that persons could learn the most from?
01:12:46 Definitely sales navigator, because with sales navigator, you get infinite information.
01:12:52 For example, you get to understand who the prospects that you may have a list, what might be the new content that they're providing.
01:13:02 You get to be able to be specific as to if you want to target a company 50 to 100, 200 to 300.
01:13:09 You target by sectors, also by country, demographic, persona of a person.
01:13:16 And it's really a game changer in terms of utilizing sales navigator.
01:13:22 It's not free. It's 100 US per month.
01:13:26 But any sales professional, any marketer know that you need that real time data in order to know your market and know who you are prospecting to.
01:13:36 So when you have sales navigator, it's really a game changer because you get all that infinite intelligence information that you wouldn't get with a free version of LinkedIn.
01:13:46 So without selling out too much of the book, what is the LinkedIn algorithm and how can you utilize that to maximize your reach?
01:13:56 Well, the LinkedIn algorithm is to understand LinkedIn, like understanding, for example, posting times.
01:14:02 Some people, they may post any night, but business people are on LinkedIn 8 to 4 because some people utilize it to prospect.
01:14:10 They utilize it to reach out to individuals, to persons who they consider leads.
01:14:16 So if it is that you are posting at a late time compared to early time, you wouldn't see that performance that you want.
01:14:22 Also, understanding the algorithm is where you want to know what content that produces the most results.
01:14:29 For example, whether it be video content, whether it be carousels, whether it be audio events, LinkedIn live events.
01:14:37 So when it is that you understand the LinkedIn algorithm, you will know how to go about navigating LinkedIn and getting the best results out of the platform.
01:14:46 So as we close, could you just let our viewers know how they can purchase the book and so on, where they can purchase it from, everything they need to know.
01:14:56 So the book is available at Scribbles and Quills, Chaguanas, Sharon's Bookstore, Muhammad's Bookstore and also Amazon.
01:15:05 And the cost? The cost is $79.99.
01:15:10 All the local bookstores, but on Amazon, it's a bit more affordable because the fact that you have to pay for shipping and handling and we know how that is right now.
01:15:19 So you may pay like four dollars for the Kindle version and you may pay like about six dollars for the actual book itself.
01:15:27 So it is available as we speak. Yes, definitely.
01:15:30 So, Mr. Prascott, let me thank you so much for joining us and to our viewers.
01:15:33 This is the book, How to Make Money on LinkedIn.
01:15:38 You are most welcome.
01:15:39 We've got a photo there of Mr. Prascott named one of the top LinkedIn experts in Miami.
01:15:45 Despite I'm living in Trinidad.
01:15:47 Living in Trinidad, yes. So thank you so much for joining us.
01:15:50 You are most welcome.
01:15:51 All the best to you.
01:15:52 OK, thank you.
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01:16:19 All the best to you, Aaron.
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01:18:49 You want me to send you a picture of what?
01:18:52 You really like that kind of rude stuff, eh?
01:18:56 Well, okay. But you're sure no one else is going to see these, right?
01:19:01 Of course I trust you, babe. And I know you love me.
01:19:06 I love you too. I can't believe he posted those photos.
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01:20:29 And welcome back, TNT.
01:20:31 Well, we've got a visitor.
01:20:33 He's paying us a visit from all the way in Toronto, Canada.
01:20:36 But he's here virtually joining us via Zoom.
01:20:39 Your favorite KI, of course.
01:20:42 His real name is Chris Bassard, the Chutney Soca star.
01:20:45 He's back on the charts with his Carnival 2024 release called "Best Fet".
01:20:52 He credits the song's mass appeal, the relatable lyrics, catchy melody, and danceable rhythm.
01:20:59 A very good morning to you, KI, and welcome.
01:21:02 Good morning to you as well.
01:21:04 I must say good morning to my sweet home, Trinidad and Tobago.
01:21:07 And happy Friday, everybody.
01:21:09 Yes, so tell us about your year.
01:21:11 How has it been 2023 to now?
01:21:15 Everything has been excellent.
01:21:17 A major shift in the career path for us when it comes to touring and how it used to be prior to COVID
01:21:24 is that we spent a lot more time outside now, especially with me being a daddy and my son now going to senior--
01:21:30 well, this year, grade one, and last year, senior kindergarten as well.
01:21:33 Normally, we would spend a lot more time in Trinidad and Tobago.
01:21:36 But I had to be a lot more now in Toronto, so we sort of shifted the base, but we've been traveling like crazy extensively,
01:21:44 of course, throughout the seasons, the band as well, too, for the major carnivals and the major Chutney Soca festivals
01:21:49 and everything throughout the year.
01:21:50 So it's been quite the year, representing culture as usual, doing exactly what it is we've been doing all the years now.
01:21:56 But just the shift is instead of the base being more so Trinidad, it's more so Toronto now, again,
01:22:00 to attribute it to me being a daddy again.
01:22:02 But it's been an excellent year.
01:22:04 I wouldn't ask for anything different. Thank you.
01:22:06 Of course, and you've been keeping your fans up to date.
01:22:09 I'm checking out your social media.
01:22:11 I did see it a few days ago where you--
01:22:14 "Miss you, Trinidad. Can't be there all the time like before because now I'm a Trinidad duty cause.
01:22:20 Nevertheless, happy carnival."
01:22:23 But will you be coming for carnival?
01:22:25 Will you be coming for events?
01:22:27 This is what we're looking forward to and we're really hoping that we're able to get this done.
01:22:32 Again, carnival is a short one this year, so if we do come down, it'll be for about two weeks.
01:22:36 Our band is still based in Trinidad and Tobago.
01:22:39 Well, Trinidad, I should say.
01:22:42 We have been known since 2015 to now as KI and the Band, but prior it's KI and Travini or JMC Travini.
01:22:50 And we have reverted back to--or I should say forward, in a sense, to the name Travini as well now.
01:22:57 So it's KI and the Band Travini.
01:22:59 And the Band being there and everything, we would love to always have a place in carnival,
01:23:03 which we have being 14 times on the road with Trini Revellers, many times with other bands as well prior to that,
01:23:10 even when I was a young kid.
01:23:11 And throughout all the all-inclusives and the Feds and everything.
01:23:14 So we'd love to be there and be present in the carnival.
01:23:16 Just so it comes down to right as that new year markets, we make that final decision,
01:23:20 work with the Band and try to be present in the carnival, yeah.
01:23:22 But of course, this song, "Best Fed," it has been a long time in the making.
01:23:27 Give us a little background and history on it.
01:23:29 Yeah, I had an idea for this song back in December of 2021.
01:23:35 No, '22, sorry. At the end of last year.
01:23:39 And then we started penning, we started playing with the production and everything.
01:23:43 And by the time this song was done, it was the middle of January, 2023, meaning the middle of carnival, earlier this year.
01:23:48 And we were anxious to release it, just as all artists and everything, you want everybody to hear your product.
01:23:55 But we decided consciously that it's the middle of carnival, everybody coming up with "Powerspoke" and all these things.
01:24:01 It doesn't make sense right now just to drop this, especially with the tempo of this song being a mid-beat song, 137 BPM.
01:24:08 So we said, you know what, let's hold it back until next year carnival.
01:24:11 And that's what we did. And then about a month and a half or whatever, two months ago,
01:24:15 we started dabbling a little bit and we invited NMG Productions, Nikolai Green,
01:24:21 and the production as well, alongside my brother, Rich Posad, and myself.
01:24:25 And we all collaborated and worked together.
01:24:28 And it was more magical than it was last year, which I'm super grateful for.
01:24:33 And the reception has been amazing as well.
01:24:35 I mean, the Best Fed really describes exactly what everybody ultimately wants when they go out to enjoy that Best Fed experience,
01:24:41 to walk home or drive home and say, "Boy, this was the Best Fed, boy."
01:24:44 And that's what we try to accomplish as well through the lyrics, through the music, to create that happy feeling that Soka gives to you.
01:24:51 But this, of course, is a little way, a little away from Chutney, I should say.
01:24:56 It sounds, the beat from what I'm hearing, it sounds Soka. Is this new for you?
01:25:03 It's not new for me. Again, too, we've been dabbling in Soka, our band, JMC Trevini,
01:25:09 being the first cross of a band on the road since 1987 and counting. Maybe '86, actually, that's the year I was born.
01:25:15 But since then, we've always dabbled in Soka myself.
01:25:19 But I'm predominantly known for Chutney Soka, especially with the Monarchs and the Chutney Soka hits and everything.
01:25:26 But nonetheless, we always put our hand in the Soka a little bit.
01:25:29 So this year, once again, we're returning to put our hand in the Soka.
01:25:31 But it's one of the years that we got a lot more attention on the Soka as well.
01:25:35 Because when your brand is something, it's difficult to change that brand or to change what someone expects of you
01:25:40 or looks forward to hearing from you, I should say.
01:25:43 And we push a bit Soka, we turn our audience as well to Chutney Soka, just like Soka music born out of Trinidad and Tobago.
01:25:49 So we're definitely going to keep dabbling in it.
01:25:52 But yes, different from Chutney Soka, but we've been there and we'll continue.
01:25:56 Will you be competing in competitions this year, Chutney Soka in particular?
01:26:01 No, I will not be competing in Chutney Soka, Monarch.
01:26:04 I was the youngest winner twice in 2012 and 2014.
01:26:08 Three-time winner, but the youngest twice in 2014 and then also in '16, the third winner.
01:26:13 At this point in time, it's difficult to enter a competition to display even the culture from that aspect and that direction.
01:26:23 We are no longer there mentally as well.
01:26:25 It's just more so about touring, working with the other artists and everybody and representing the music.
01:26:29 The competition has been brilliant.
01:26:30 I will always, I should say, endorse Chutney Soka, Monarch.
01:26:34 It is a brilliant show.
01:26:35 It's been so nice to all of us as well.
01:26:38 It's a very important platform for the art form.
01:26:40 But I will not be competing this year.
01:26:42 So, K.I., as a trinny based in Toronto, what do you tell people?
01:26:47 How do you fly, I mean, aside from the music, what do you tell people about TNT?
01:26:52 The best things that I can really and truly.
01:26:56 It comes down to natural and normal dialogue.
01:26:59 Somebody, when they hear you speak or anything, it's like, "So, where are you from?"
01:27:02 Or, "Where are you from?"
01:27:03 It's like, "Well, I'm from Trinidad and Tobago."
01:27:04 You know, the land of Soka.
01:27:06 We don't normally say the land of Chutney Soka, but when they say, like, "What do you do?" and everything, we explain.
01:27:10 It's just the happiest people in the world.
01:27:12 I've traveled near and far to many places, not the entire world, which I look forward to, hopefully one day.
01:27:18 But I've met so many different types of people, so many walks of life.
01:27:22 There's nobody I've met that's as happy as a Trinidadian, and that's something I wear proudly.
01:27:28 What message would you like to leave with your fans this morning?
01:27:33 I'd just like to say to everybody, happy holidays on behalf of KIA, my father, Varendra Prasad, our band, KIA, the band Treveni, all of our band members, and to everybody, happy holidays, Merry Christmas, a happy new year.
01:27:44 Thank you for the continued support.
01:27:45 I know you guys ain't seen me down there as much as I used to be.
01:27:48 I miss you daily, dearly.
01:27:50 I wish I could be there as much, but we're going to be there.
01:27:52 We're going to be present and looking forward to hopefully seeing you in Carnival 2024.
01:27:57 And if possible, you sound like you have a little bit of a morning voice there, but if possible, would you, you know, drop a few lines for us?
01:28:05 Yo, I feel this is the best fit I ever went, the best fit.
01:28:10 I never feel like this yet, and I ain't going home.
01:28:13 I feel this is the best fit, and I ain't going to rest yet.
01:28:17 Tomorrow is our next set, because we are going home.
01:28:20 Don't forget to check out my Bollywood song that I dropped yesterday.
01:28:24 So, KIA, Chris Prasad, let me thank you so much for, you know, taking the time to chat with us, to really connect with your fans.
01:28:32 All the best to you across there in Toronto, Canada.
01:28:35 Of course, your family and the Treveni family, all the best to you.
01:28:39 Thank you so much.
01:28:40 Thank you so much.
01:28:41 Happy Friday, everybody.
01:28:42 Same to you.
01:28:43 All the best.
01:28:44 Well, viewers, it's now time for another break.
01:28:46 I just want to tell you about, we did play a video a short while ago.
01:28:50 It came from the Faisabad Secondary School.
01:28:52 So, kudos to you guys at the Faisabad Secondary School, you know, with your rhythm section, the tassa and everything, and integration.
01:29:00 And that's what we really want for the future of TNT.
01:29:04 So, hats off to you, Faisabad Secondary School.
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01:32:18 Welcome back, TNT.
01:32:19 For the record, this is my favorite, Sokha Parang.
01:32:21 So thank you, Nicole, there, for playing that song.
01:32:24 Well, Tamar International, it's a non-profit, state-registered organization
01:32:30 that offers assistance in the form of counseling
01:32:32 and hampered distribution to widow and widowers.
01:32:37 To tell us more, we are joined this morning via Zoom
01:32:40 by Shilin Mitchell-Bermatt, who is the president,
01:32:43 and Merlin Roddox, who is the advisor and reverend.
01:32:47 A very good morning to you ladies.
01:32:49 Thank you so much for joining us.
01:32:51 Good morning to you and the viewers. Nice to have you.
01:32:55 So either of you could take the question.
01:32:58 Tell us a little bit more about Tamar International.
01:33:02 Good morning, and it's a great honor and privilege to be here with you all.
01:33:06 Thank you for this opportunity.
01:33:08 Good morning, Trinidad and Tobago, and by extension, the globe.
01:33:13 It is an honor to be here.
01:33:14 As I said, Tamar International is a gift of love, divinely inspired,
01:33:20 meeting the needs of widows and widowers everywhere.
01:33:23 We have been in existence since 2009.
01:33:28 We launched the 31st of August, and yes, we also carry the colors of our country,
01:33:35 Trinidad and Tobago, red, white, and black.
01:33:37 And we are just here beyond nine days to serve the needs of the widows and widowers everywhere.
01:33:46 That's in a nutshell who we are.
01:33:48 Maybe Reverend could take this one.
01:33:50 When did you realize that, you know, there's this need to be fulfilled?
01:33:58 Well, I am newly on board this organization.
01:34:02 I knew about it before, so I realized that more when I became a widow recently.
01:34:11 I became a widow in March, February of this year, 10 months now.
01:34:19 And although I knew about it, you know, because Mrs. Bowman is part of our church family,
01:34:27 so I knew about it then, and off and on I would visit, you know, whenever she invited me.
01:34:33 But, you know, just supported here and then, I was seeing what she was doing,
01:34:38 and then realized, well, look, it's very, very needed.
01:34:42 But I didn't get the experience really until I became a widow, and I realized,
01:34:46 here, this is something else. It is really, really, really needed.
01:34:51 What would be some of the challenges that you would have faced?
01:34:55 I mean, I know it's 10 months, but 10 months can seem like a really long time in such a situation.
01:35:03 Yes. First of all, you're going to shock.
01:35:10 Right? You're going to shock because in my case, we were 50 years and 8 months in marriage.
01:35:18 So, losing him, just like that, you know, I was in shock.
01:35:25 Then I, after that, I, you know, I became, I started to feel lonely.
01:35:31 There was pain, and there's still pain, you know.
01:35:36 And, you know, that kind of thing we really face, to name a few.
01:35:43 But the pain, the pain there is the most important, the pain, because, you know,
01:35:48 you go through this pain that nobody, you cannot explain it to anybody.
01:35:52 And even though you try to tell somebody that, they will not understand.
01:35:55 They have to experience that pain for themselves.
01:35:58 So, Mrs. Beaumat, what are some of the needs of these widows and widowers that you seek to alleviate?
01:36:07 Quite recently, in particular, we sent out a question asking them what was their greatest need.
01:36:15 And the responses that we got, the top one was their aloneness or loneliness.
01:36:21 And following that, that the financial stability and bank extension, taking care of those who have children, younger children.
01:36:30 And as such, God has inspired us to be able to offer counseling, spiritual support, domestic maintenance.
01:36:39 You know, sometimes something goes wrong, and if it is in the case of a widow,
01:36:43 she now has to try and do her stuff around the home, and she may need that kind of assistance.
01:36:51 So these are the types of support we offer.
01:36:53 One of them in particular is that counseling, which we can sit with them and allow them more or less to talk about their journey.
01:37:04 Sometimes it's very traumatic, the way how they become widowed.
01:37:09 And so it's a time when we have to be very patient, very understanding and sensitive,
01:37:17 offering empathy as we go along and giving them permission to move.
01:37:24 And of course, in this season, you know, we describe it as the most festive season of the year.
01:37:30 It's Christmas time. But when you're recently widowed, you know, it's a difficult time.
01:37:38 You know, a lot of the times when you experience the first Christmas without, the first birthday without,
01:37:45 the first, you know, these milestone events without that one person.
01:37:49 But of course, you know, it's a time for giving as well.
01:37:53 How can members of the public assist you all in accomplishing this mission?
01:37:59 And I want to give them two opportunities too.
01:38:02 One is very, very simple, and it's all year through, because we try every month to give out at least three hundreds.
01:38:10 And you can do so by simply becoming a Covenant partner by giving just five dollars a month or sixty dollars a year.
01:38:20 Along with that, God inspired us for this coming season to bring a little bit of cheer.
01:38:26 And interestingly, you mentioned the first and the first in experiences is not always easy.
01:38:34 And, you know, looking at it as well, we often do things first, one, one, because we have one moment to make that impact or that encounter.
01:38:46 And so for this holiday, we are doing these holiday treat baskets.
01:38:54 And it is being done with the griddle in mind whereby when they receive these treats, it can bring a smile or cheer or just simply reminding them that someone cares beyond nine days.
01:39:11 And even if it's hard, they can still look at it and feel and know that someone taught about me.
01:39:20 So we will be doing this initiative and we are trusting that you will be willing out there who's listening to support us by helping us give into this particular initiative.
01:39:37 It is not about the general hampers, but it's about treats, things that we often enjoy, like chocolates and biscuits and candies, and just to be able to bring a smile to their faces.
01:39:55 Of course, just to remind our viewers that your organization is registered with the Ministry of Legal Affairs since 2009 and with the FIU since 2019.
01:40:07 Of course, a short while ago, we did post on our screen the banking information.
01:40:13 So for those of you of the public, it's there again, along with our contact number.
01:40:18 So for those of you out there who would like to assist, you know, sometimes it's difficult to be there in person and maybe difficult to actually go buy stuff and drop off.
01:40:28 But, you know, you could just when you head off to the bank to do your Christmas banking, you could just make a small donation to Tamar International.
01:40:37 But for those of you who can drop off things, you can, of course, call that number on your screen and drop off non-perishable items at the Barataria office.
01:40:47 Reverend Rolox, just to come back to you a bit, what is the role of the church, not just the church, what is the role of religious institutions in situations like these?
01:41:01 Well, I can't speak for all religious institutions, but I know for my church, they rally around me a lot, quite a lot, you know, prayerfully,
01:41:15 especially prayerfully because we need that, regardless of what material things we get, we need that prayerful support.
01:41:23 I'm there for you and in some cases financially, you know, so, you know, I have and I'm still having a lot of support from my church family.
01:41:36 So compassion is a very integral ingredient there.
01:41:42 Ladies, let me thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much for sharing.
01:41:46 And of course, thank you so much for doing what you do, Tamar International.
01:41:51 Of course, we posted their number on the screen there. They are looking to organize holiday treat baskets for the widow.
01:41:59 Their numbers are on the screen so you can call them. You can make a small deposit.
01:42:05 It doesn't have to be much, $60 per year, and you can be a regular, help those who would be experiencing maybe not the best Christmas.
01:42:15 So all the best to you, ladies. Thank you so much.
01:42:18 Thank you.
01:42:19 All the best to you once again.
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01:45:22 And welcome back TNT. Well, as promised earlier this week, we now head to Guyana.
01:45:27 We're going to get a live update with senior multimedia journalist Mark Besant, who along with cameraman Brandon Benoit,
01:45:34 they are of course in Guyana offering CCN coverage of the unfolding events. Mark, a very good morning to you.
01:45:41 Mark, are you there?
01:45:48 We were able to hear you a short while ago.
01:45:52 Okay, so we're just awaiting him to probably log back in with another device.
01:46:00 Good morning. Hello.
01:46:03 Very good morning to you, Mark.
01:46:05 Morning, are you hearing me? Sorry, there was some issues with the camera on my second.
01:46:11 Right, right. Excellent. So we're hearing you and we're seeing you loud and clear.
01:46:15 So tell us, the most recent events that we're seeing is that five persons died in the Copter crash.
01:46:21 The investigations are still underway. Some people are suggesting that the Copter was shot down.
01:46:28 Do you have any information as to the cause of the crash?
01:46:32 Well, incidentally, I spoke with three sources yesterday afternoon during the press conference with the Vice President Bharat Jha.
01:46:41 While that was going on, they sent me messages confirming that five officers had died.
01:46:48 Of course, I did ask the Vice President at that time if he had any knowledge of that and he couldn't give any further information.
01:46:58 At the beginning of the press conference, he did say that a team of officers from the Special Forces and so on were going into the area.
01:47:09 And because of the adverse weather conditions that were still continuing and the mountainous area, there were problems accessing the area.
01:47:20 Now, late yesterday evening, I spoke with two of my contacts, one who is connected to the Army of Guyana Defence Force,
01:47:28 who is actually out in Mabarama, as well as a Special Branch officer and another person as well,
01:47:35 who told me that initial reports suggest, and there's no confirmation of this I want to add,
01:47:42 that there are people claiming that they heard gunfire in a small village near that area.
01:47:50 And later, they heard the loud explosion of the area where the crash occurred.
01:47:57 Of course, there were two survivors and they are part of the Guyana Defence Force.
01:48:04 I don't expect there would be a force coming with an interview or anyone coming out to speak about that.
01:48:10 And as you know, it's sometimes very difficult to gather information from the Defence Force.
01:48:17 They said in Guyana, they are very guarded in how they speak with the media and so on.
01:48:26 I expect today, in some measure, the Chief of Defence of the Guyana Defence Force, Mr. Omar,
01:48:34 can perhaps work your statement or maybe call some kind of press conference. I'm not certain.
01:48:41 I know there were condolences that the Prime Minister of Guyana had sent out,
01:48:47 and the Bahamian Prime Minister and so on, following the tragedy yesterday.
01:48:53 Well, of course, the discovery that five officers had passed.
01:48:58 Right. So, Mark, I was just chatting with my former teacher, now Principal of Latchimigil Sindhu College.
01:49:06 There are, of course, a lot of educators in Guyana for CXC, Secondary Education Committee meeting and ceremony.
01:49:13 So she attended that. And just during the course of conversation, she mentioned that the,
01:49:19 I believe the President and the Vice President, they were present at that meeting.
01:49:25 And she did say the mood there, despite it being an award ceremony, the mood was very sombre.
01:49:33 And you could tell just by looking at the faces of these authorities that there was a lot weighing on their minds.
01:49:40 What is the mood in Guyana amongst the people, particularly following this crash, that the investigation is still underway?
01:49:51 I think there are a lot of questions that people are asking.
01:49:54 They're still seeking the answers as to what really happened on that day.
01:50:01 I can tell you, I just came into Georgetown yesterday morning and I've been up, I guess, pretty early to come from Marmaruma to here.
01:50:09 So in Marmaruma, of course, there's still a lot of concern by the residents there.
01:50:16 And as you would have seen and heard over the last couple of days, a lot of them, because they have direct TV and they get a lot of the Venezuelan channels and so on, tele-serve and so forth.
01:50:29 The information provided on that platform, as a lot of them leaving the area or left the area over the last few weeks.
01:50:38 I was speaking to a taxi driver the day before yesterday and he said, you know, some of the schools, the teachers left and they went to Georgetown because they were afraid.
01:50:49 And there is concern, I imagine, across Guyana and here in Georgetown as well.
01:50:55 And the mood, obviously, is one of concern.
01:51:00 And today is actually the United Nations Security Council meeting at 3 p.m. in New York.
01:51:06 I was just checking. I realize it's a closed-door session. I don't know if it will be available online to the media.
01:51:13 However, I expect with the culmination of that meeting, the United Nations Security Council will give feedback on Guyana's letter following Nduru's move to annex the Ssequibo region from Guyana.
01:51:35 Their actions and, of course, the Guyana government is pretty confident that, speaking to the Attorney General and, of course, the Vice President at the press conference yesterday,
01:51:47 that the United Nations Security Council, they're hopeful, will rule in their favor.
01:51:53 Which would mean, you know, in terms of, you know, as the United Nations Security Council is responsible for things of that nature, when countries, there's an act of an aggression against another country,
01:52:06 and another country feels threatened, of course, they can write to the United Nations Security Council.
01:52:14 And, of course, if in some measure there is that threat, if Venezuela decides to act aggressively in terms of sending military troops into Guyana and so on,
01:52:28 they have the power, the United Nations Security Council, to send peacekeeping forces.
01:52:32 So Guyana is hopeful of that. And I imagine with the tensions simmering and there's still this, you know, a little uneasiness, I might say, in the air,
01:52:42 I mean, we don't know what can happen because, you know, things literally happened overnight, two nights ago.
01:52:49 Correct.
01:52:50 When they were sleeping in their beds.
01:52:52 So, Mark, we also understand that CARICOM will hold emergency talks today as well.
01:52:57 But other than that, we saw that diplomats had been invited by the Guyanese authorities to have talks.
01:53:04 And, of course, the US reaffirmed their support of Guyana. Are you seeing enhanced military presence in Guyana, of course, from the US, who is an open ally?
01:53:17 Well, I spent the last weekend in Mavuruma, and I did not see any US personnel there.
01:53:26 I did ask a couple, I met up with a lieutenant of the Guyana Defence Force.
01:53:31 I think they are here, and they're offering training and so on.
01:53:39 And, of course, the assistance of aerial surveillance and so on yesterday.
01:53:45 And I imagine they might not be in the drills.
01:53:47 But if you understand the terrain of Guyana and where I was, it's a very small landing ship.
01:53:54 You're coming with a 15-seater plane, and the American aircrafts are very large.
01:54:02 So they're not able to land in those areas if they have to.
01:54:07 So they likely will have to traverse the terrain because of the topography of the terrain, perhaps by boat or by air via helicopters and so on.
01:54:22 But I think the vice president summed it up well yesterday, Mr. Bara-Jagda.
01:54:27 The people are asking for updates consistently.
01:54:30 Of course, they can't give every particular update, but there are certain things I imagine that they will not want to reveal to the public.
01:54:41 And, of course, we have to understand that this is a very tense time, and they're doing their intelligence browsing.
01:54:50 They have the support of the U.S. and other allies, as well as CARICOM.
01:54:55 So we just have to watch, repeat, and hope for the best, and hope that good sense will prevail.
01:55:04 And, of course, in terms of President Maduro.
01:55:07 Of course, Mark, no one wants to see full-on aggression.
01:55:10 But my final question, are you hearing about or are there backdoor talks?
01:55:14 Is there any mediation between these two countries?
01:55:19 Well, Guyana has always, up to yesterday, been open to talks, open to diplomacy, and a peaceful resolution.
01:55:30 I think Maduro has been saying, "Actions speak differently."
01:55:36 And, of course, I think there was an article yesterday where he speaks about the leaders of Guyana being very aggressive and so on.
01:55:47 I would hate to believe that the helicopter crash is affiliated in some way with this border dispute.
01:55:58 We're hopeful because, of course, if it turns out the evidence suggests that it was more than an accident of some nature,
01:56:07 then we can have a real problem in the region here.
01:56:10 So we just have to keep our fingers crossed and hope that that was not the case.
01:56:15 So, Mark, let me just wish you and Brandon all the best and, of course, a safe trip home when you do return.
01:56:21 So all the best to you.
01:56:22 Thank you so much for joining us and sharing, of course, with our viewers on TV6 about the situation that continues to unravel in Guyana.
01:56:30 Kudos to you guys.
01:56:32 Thanks, guys. Have a good one.
01:56:34 All righty. Well, that brings us to the end of the show, guys.
01:56:37 It has been a riveting week.
01:56:38 Thanks to Nicole, Shala, Kidd, James, Neil, Pino, George, Ivan, Dougie.
01:56:43 Thank you all so much.
01:56:44 It has been a really exciting week.
01:56:46 Of course, just to remind you to tune in to EMI Prime this evening.
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01:56:54 Top of the morning to you, TNT.
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