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00:00July 8th, 1947, a day that launched what some claim is the greatest government conspiracy
00:12of all time. In Roswell, New Mexico, the U.S. Army Air Force announces the capture of a flying
00:22saucer. Within hours, the military report is changed. The debris was just a weather balloon.
00:30But instead of settling the issue, questions about the Roswell incident only grow deeper.
00:38Stories of a military cover-up of an alleged UFO spread across the world. Now, 70 years
00:44later, a scientist from Roswell claims to have found remains of the actual craft, possible
00:50proof that this ship was not from this planet. Is this finally evidence that Earth has been
00:56visited by extraterrestrials? Or just another silly conspiracy theory?
01:14My name is Jennifer Marshall. I served in the United States Navy for five years. I've been
01:19working as an investigator in some capacity since 2014. As a veteran, I'm drawn to mysteries
01:26alleging some type of government cover-up or conspiracy. I need to know the facts. The problem
01:31with claims of UFO encounters is that there's rarely any evidence to investigate. But this
01:37one may be different. When leading UFO journalist Ryan Sprague contacted me with what sounds like
01:43a compelling new lead in the Roswell mystery, it was an investigative opportunity I just couldn't pass up.
01:49I've agreed to help Ryan look into this, but I plan to examine the alleged evidence very closely.
01:55Ryan?
01:56Hey, Jennifer.
01:58Hey, nice to meet you.
01:59Yeah, nice to meet you, too.
02:00Yeah.
02:01For me, this is a very personal journey. When I was a teenager, I had a UFO sighting that I could not explain.
02:09And it scared the hell out of me. I've been searching for answers ever since. I have traveled
02:15all over the country questioning people about UFOs, conspiracies, cover-ups. We have a gentleman
02:21who has materials from the Roswell UFO crash. What kind of materials?
02:27Metals. Physical evidence that we can look at. What's really interesting is the guy we're going to be
02:32talking to, Frank Kimbler. He's looked at aerial photos, and he was able to triangulate where the
02:38exact crash site was. It's been clouded in secrecy for a really long time, but I think we actually
02:44know the impact site of where this happened.
02:47I can tell that Ryan is super enthusiastic about the topic, but sometimes when people want something
02:52to be true, they convince themselves of evidence that just isn't there.
02:55I'm skeptical. It's been a long time.
02:57I understand that. You would think that by now everything would be gone.
03:01Right.
03:02But this guy, he's been out there for nine years on his hands and knees looking at this crash site.
03:08I'm out here to find the truth. Do I believe it's possible aliens visited us in 47? Sure.
03:15I'm the kind of person who I'll believe it until you can prove to me that it's not real, that it didn't happen.
03:22I'm the opposite. Show me the proof, show me the evidence, and I'll believe that.
03:27Jen's a little skeptical of the crash story, but that's okay.
03:31I think once she learns the facts, she'll see that the official story, it just doesn't add up.
03:36I want to give you a tour, and then I want to go meet Frank.
03:39Yeah.
03:40Okay.
03:41Sounds good.
03:42Cool.
03:43Jennifer, this is like the mecca for us UFO researchers. This is the UFO museum on your right here.
03:58Okay.
03:59It's astounding.
04:04There's a lot of kitsch, a lot of green-headed alien type stuff, a lot of touristy type memorabilia.
04:09But there's also a great collection of documents and photographs, so we're excited to see what we uncover here.
04:19The Roswell incident has been at the epicenter of all UFO discussions for a very long time.
04:24It begins when a sheep rancher, Mack Brazel, finds unusual debris on the ranch.
04:30When he tells authorities that it looks like a crash site, the nearby air base sends Major Jesse Marcel to investigate.
04:37Based on Marcel's findings, the Army Air Force issues a press release to the local newspaper, the Roswell Daily Record, announcing the recovery of a UFO.
04:47But the next day, the Army Air Force, under the orders of General Roger Ramey, changes the story, claiming the first report was wrong.
04:56The debris was just a weather balloon.
05:09This affidavit from a woman that worked at Los Alamos is really intriguing.
05:13It says when she contacted her boss about this, she was told her clearance wasn't high enough.
05:18Why would a clearance matter if it was just a weather balloon?
05:43My dad and brother both ran the paper before me, so it's in my blood. I grew up, you know, coming here.
05:51Do you have any personal things that are connected to Roswell or the UFO phenomenon that you've personally been privy to?
06:00My dad was in the military. He was a no-nonsense business kind of guy. And he told me that he knew the Ballards who had the funeral home.
06:09That night, they were asked to come with four small coffins.
06:13Small coffins? Like?
06:15Child-sized coffins. Child-sized.
06:17And my dad also confirmed that. They were told to leave them at the base, to not go into the base.
06:23And there was no explanation given as to why there would be a need for four child-sized caskets at a military base?
06:30You know, my dad said it was really odd, and he wondered about it too at the time. But the cover-up seems to be very effective.
06:37Right. And you have so many people like him coming forward and saying, I was ordered to do this. I didn't ask questions.
06:45They may not even have known what they were actually doing there.
06:48Right. Can you imagine being in 1947 and in the military? You didn't question things. You kind of did what you were told.
06:55You weren't encouraged to question or use critical thinking skills.
07:00It's really eye-opening to me, Barbara's story about the caskets. I thought she was credible. But so far, this is all second or third-hand information.
07:09Our AAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region. What I find really interesting here is they're talking to the Wilmots, who actually had UFO sightings a week prior.
07:22The Wilmots, ranchers in the area, said they saw a UFO traveling at an estimated 400 to 500 miles per hour.
07:31So this is from an article that says harassed a rancher who located saucer. Sorry, he talked about it.
07:38Brazel said that he had previously found two weather observation balloons on the ranch, but that what he found this time did not in any way resemble either of these.
07:46And I think that's really telling because he's in the middle of nowhere. They send two of these up a day. Clearly, he's used to seeing what they are.
07:54It's the same with Major Jesse Marcel. Both of these individuals know what a weather balloon looks like. Marcel in these press photos. Have you seen them?
08:02Here's Marcel with the weather balloon.
08:06Even look at his face, though. Even look at his face. His face is like, are you kidding me?
08:10Like, you're making me do this? Really? Here's General Raimi. This is really interesting. This paper in his hand. With your experience, what would a general be holding right there in reference to all this?
08:24I mean, if they're talking about a downed weather balloon, clearly he's well experienced in weather balloons and weather balloons going down. I don't...
08:36Look at this one. So we weren't able to zoom in. Up close. Yeah. Can you decipher any of that? It could be, like, a very big piece of evidence in this entire thing.
08:48You know, if we could get a higher resolution photograph, I know some really great photo analysts, there's no reason that they shouldn't be able to decipher at least some of what's on this photo. Maybe not everything.
08:58Absolutely.
08:59I'm continuing to search for the truth. I can't wait to meet Frank Kimbler. I want to know how Frank located the actual crash site. I want to know how he found the metals, if they've been analyzed or examined yet, even. I can't even say how exciting it is to know that I'm going to be able to touch these materials that possibly could be from another world.
09:23When I was 12, I was on a weekend getaway with my parents and I was fishing off a dock. It just turned dark and I was by myself.
09:51I remember as I was reeling my line in, I saw these lights in the water. Naturally, I look up and I saw the white lights and they were in, like, a triangular formation and there was, like, this, like, a hazy red light in the center of it.
10:10I couldn't see any, like, machinery, you know, any structure to it, but I couldn't see anything behind it. Stars, the moon, nothing. And it was just hovering there above me, just completely silent. All I could hear was the water. I couldn't move. I was terrified.
10:28How long was it there for? A minute tops, but it felt like forever. My father, actually, I started yelling for him and as he's coming out, the thing started coasting over the water and then it just disappeared.
10:42And what did your dad say? He told me that it was a plane, but he did not see that thing hovering right above me. He didn't know that it was silent. None of that. So, I mean, to me, even at 12 years old, I knew that that was not a plane.
10:58And so, I guess, for months after this and years after this, you kind of wondered what else it could be?
11:04I did look into if there were any military bases nearby at the time. I did contact the local FAA to see if anything weird had been in the sky that night. They returned nothing.
11:17I feared that people might think I'm crazy and I didn't tell anyone about this until I was in college.
11:23I know witness testimony can't be taken as actual evidence. I completely understand that. But I personally, I can't discredit that. I can't.
11:38Is there evidence that UFOs visited Roswell? It's time to meet a man who claims he has the proof.
11:45Because this case is 70 years old and this is potentially new evidence, it is very exciting.
11:51So, I do want to talk to Frank and I want to find out, you know, the conditions under which he collected the evidence.
11:56Jennifer.
11:57Jennifer, nice to meet you, Jennifer.
11:58Pleasure to meet you.
11:59The fact that he's a science teacher, it means that he has definitely more experience in education than the average person who would have found this material.
12:06However, I need to look at everything and see it from start to finish. I just can't take on his excitement because then I wouldn't be doing my job.
12:14So, what I used to teach school with here, it's called an augmented reality sandbox. And this is a nice digital representation of the crash site. And you can make it rain simply by holding your hand over the top of it like this. You can make it rain so you can actually get a picture of how the water actually rolls off the land and where it accumulates, which is what I use to help locate some of the artifacts.
12:39So, utilizing this, can you explain the crash site to us?
12:42Oh, absolutely. The object came in out this way and it came in this direction and it made what's referred to as a furrow. It's spread out kind of in a V shape. And then, according to the eyewitness accounts, there was also a gouge mark. And it's kind of an interesting thing because the metal artifacts that I have found seem to be centered right on the area where the gouge mark is.
13:06How big was this crash site?
13:10This area is probably maybe twice the size of a football field. But the debris was scattered for a distance of more than half a mile.
13:21Do you still have the aerial photos that you used in your research?
13:23Yeah, they're right over here.
13:25Let's cut the lights.
13:30This image right here is from 1954.
13:34It's the first aerial photo I could find of this area after 1947.
13:39There's something that I kind of honed in on in this picture pretty fast.
13:43And you'll notice this white area right here. There are a series of steps. Can you see the little white steps?
13:50The little steps, I refer to them as dozer tracks. It looks like the sharp edges of where bulldozers have come in and sort of scraped the land.
14:00The military was cleaning the area up and they were very systematic.
14:05Now if you come over here on the 1946 picture, that line is gone. So this has been changed between that.
14:14The damage that was done to the area happened after 1946. Now what happened to the land between 1946 and 1954?
14:23I have actually found metallic artifacts within this area and along the edges of those dozer tracks, small pieces of material.
14:33Frank, I am dying to see the meadow.
14:40Inside this container, they are the material that I picked up out at the debris field.
14:48You can see how they're all twisted and mangled up. These specimens are untested, but these are some of the things that I would like to have some really good science done on these things.
14:59Would you mind if we held them?
15:00It's fine. Go ahead.
15:01Sure.
15:02You're not going to get some kind of disease off of them or anything.
15:08This one, to me, is interesting. It looks like it's almost curled back. It's bent.
15:14When metals are subjected to a lot of stress, they fold and bend and twist around. And not only that, they usually end up being small pieces with jagged edges or the edges might be melted.
15:26It seems to fit a scenario that something crashed at a high speed.
15:31And that is the kind of thinking that I went on as well.
15:35This is insanely light and very, very strong.
15:38You're right. It's incredibly strong for its size. There was some analytical work that was done up in Canada. And he says, well, we found 3% molybdenum. And I'm going, oh my gosh.
15:47What does that signify?
15:48That's unusual. It's essentially impossible with current technology to have 3% molybdenum in those aluminum alloys. And that's why we need to have more testing done on them.
15:58We can do that. We can make some calls, get you some names, people who are very well versed in metallurgy, who are working in the aerospace industry.
16:06I want to make sure that if somebody says that this is an extraterrestrial alloy, that the rest of the world is going to believe it. If they come back and say, oh, it's Mr. Rancher's bear can, then I'll accept that as the bona fide truth.
16:19Something happened out there and I want nothing but the pure truth.
16:23Well, I can tell you that's what we want to do.
16:25My gosh, if it comes out to be of extraterrestrial origin, we're going to have something that's world history making.
16:32Thank you, Frank. You're welcome.
16:34We have our mission. It's time to get this metal tested and extract the truth.
16:49All right. I want to look at several of these photos. Look at that. It looks like they made this thing yesterday.
16:59The way that the pieces are cut up is weird to me, too, because it looks like the pieces, they're so symmetrical.
17:06If they were smaller pieces, I could understand why he could mistake it for a weather balloon.
17:11But they're so symmetrical, if there was some sort of crash landing, you would assume that, you know, the pieces would be small.
17:19Let's look at this one.
17:21General Ramey, I can't stop thinking about this photo. Can you zoom in on the memo?
17:27You know, given that this was taken in 1947, we can't really see what's on it. The lighting isn't very good. It's kind of blurry.
17:39But now we have photo analysis techniques that didn't exist then.
17:43So I'm hoping that we will be able to evaluate this and actually see what's on it, not just words, but maybe even complete sentences.
17:50Because if we can ascertain exactly what's on the memo, then it blows everything wide open.
17:54I did some digging and there is a copy of the original negative at the University of Texas at Arlington.
18:00Do you think that's something you could get your hands on?
18:03If it exists, I can get it.
18:05I want to go back to this photo for a sec.
18:10That look on his face, I cannot get that out of my head, that are you kidding me look.
18:15I was able to get in touch with his granddaughter, Denise Marcel.
18:20I want to get to know that man a lot better.
18:23For 30 years, Jesse Marcel Sr. kept quiet about what he actually found at the Roswell crash site.
18:34When he came forward in 1978, his claim that the debris seemed otherworldly was confirmed by his son, Jesse Marcel Jr.
18:44Since 1947, I saw this strange material, not of earthly manufacturer.
18:49It made me feel that we're not alone, that there's others out there.
18:54This is something that came from outer space.
18:57Today, Denise Marcel is the keeper of the family legacy.
19:01My grandfather was Major Jesse Marcel Sr.
19:05He was the intelligence officer on the 509th Roswell Base during 1947.
19:12That is when the world changed, I would say, at that moment.
19:16My grandfather was on the base when he received a call from Sheriff Wilcox, who said that he had a rancher by the name of Mac Brazel down there saying that he had found some really odd material on his property.
19:29Your grandfather found the wreckage, he got it into his car, and he was so intrigued and enthralled by what he'd found that he wanted to stop home and show this to his wife and to his son.
19:40My dad and my grandmother were asleep. It was probably around 12 o'clock at that night.
19:45So how old would your father have been at this point?
19:49He was just about to turn 11 years old.
19:52My dad recalls when he went into the kitchen, he said, why are you waking me up to show me all of this junk?
19:59But he also, at the same time, he could see that my grandfather, I guess, was extremely, extremely excited about what he saw.
20:06He's like, I believe this is probably pieces from a flying saucer.
20:09My dad, one of his things was he couldn't believe how light the metal was.
20:14And it looked, it was like he said, about as thin as tin foil.
20:17He got the impression that if he dropped it, it would probably just flutter down kind of like a feather.
20:22Wow.
20:23All right, Denise, so I want to take a look at these.
20:25So we have your grandfather right here in the room with the supposed wreckage.
20:31This is clearly a weather observation balloon.
20:34I can say with absolute certainty, this is not what my grandfather found.
20:39They pre-positioned a weather balloon in General Ramey's office for him to take photographs with.
20:45And there wouldn't have been any reason to fly this out to Fort Worth to show them this.
20:50I mean, what, I mean, come on.
20:51Yeah.
20:52That makes absolutely no sense.
20:53Look at this expression.
20:54Yeah.
20:55You know, he's really showing his emotions in here.
20:58Right.
20:59As I've gotten older, my opinions change.
21:00I always thought that was a, like, you got to be kidding me kind of look.
21:04But now I think there is some fear in his eyes there.
21:07What did I just get involved in?
21:09What did your family just get involved in?
21:11Right.
21:12What did I just show my son and my wife?
21:14Right.
21:15He was a horse of a couple of days.
21:17His whole world was turned upside down.
21:19Yeah.
21:20He always said, you know, I hope before I die that the truth is going to come out.
21:25And that didn't happen.
21:27So you've been waiting for this for years.
21:38This, I mean, this is a dream come true for any UFO researcher.
21:42No matter where you land on the Roswell case, being out here and going to the actual presumed
21:49crash site is so exciting.
21:52I mean, I've interviewed hundreds of people who've seen UFOs.
21:56Right.
21:57Who were directly involved with this incident.
21:59I have no doubt something truly powerful and impactful happened to these people.
22:05I don't know.
22:06What do you make of that?
22:07So I do think that empathy is important.
22:08But if somebody tells me a story and they're deeply affected by it, that's nice.
22:13But I still need to see evidence.
22:14But at the same time, when you have Jesse Marcel bringing these pieces home to show his son,
22:21to show his wife, this material comes from an alien spacecraft.
22:25What do you make of something like that?
22:27To me, he already had a preconceived notion of what it was.
22:31With him being in the military, he knows that the U.S. constantly has secret things that they're working on.
22:37That's why we have clearances.
22:38And for him to kind of just jump to that conclusion, that also makes me question where he's coming from
22:45and what he's ultimately trying to prove or ultimately trying to claim.
22:51If the aliens come for you today, are you ready?
22:53I'm ready. I've been ready since age 12.
22:56Yeah, so this is allegedly the crash site.
23:20I'm anxious to see what's over the hillside.
23:23I mean, I'm sort of seeing what Frank is talking about here.
23:26I see it. I can see, you know, almost where this road leads.
23:29You can see where it comes out here.
23:31But if you look at all this land, right?
23:33He's talking about if it was piloted, then they specifically chose this arroyo
23:37because they could kind of come down this way.
23:39But this isn't mountainous. This is pretty flat.
23:41So if you look at everything, there's plenty of safe places to land
23:45if it was, in fact, a piloted craft of some sort.
23:50I think I hear something.
24:11Oh, it must be Frank.
24:12He said he's going to bring his son today.
24:14Hey, Frank.
24:15Hey, how's it going?
24:16How's it going?
24:17Hey, pretty good.
24:18Sheldon.
24:19So this is it, man?
24:20This is where it happened, right here.
24:21It is so desolate out here.
24:22This place is kind of eerie because it's so quiet.
24:23That's the feeling I got.
24:24I mean, Mac Brazel.
24:25Mac Brazel, his sheep, wouldn't come anywhere near this area that morning. Am I right?
24:45That is, as a matter of fact, the sheep wouldn't cross this area for, what was it, six months
24:49or a year.
24:50They would not even come into this area, and all the animals stayed away from it.
24:53The animals stayed away from it.
24:54What I believe happened here was, in 1947,
24:58an extraterrestrial craft came in.
25:01They had some kind of mechanical problems,
25:04or maybe they got struck by lightning.
25:06Maybe it was interference with radar.
25:09Something caused them to lose control of their craft,
25:12and they came to this very spot and crashed here.
25:16Right here is some of the places where I'd found the material,
25:19where it had washed down from the hill slopes
25:22and against the sides and all down into this sinkhole area,
25:27concentrated by the action of erosion.
25:30This is where the runoff came down.
25:32So we're talking the impact site.
25:34How far would you say up this way that would be?
25:36Okay, so the impact site started basically
25:39right at the base of that little hill right there,
25:42and it came down this way.
25:43It's the furrow, the gouge mark left by the object
25:46that was dragging across the ground.
25:48Being here and seeing the actual site,
25:51seeing the levels, seeing how everything runs down here,
25:56it makes complete sense to me what Frank has come up with.
26:00It's perfectly logical.
26:01So it is this arroyo?
26:03Yes, it's this one right here.
26:04This is the one where it came in and left the gouge mark.
26:06So it skipped the hillside.
26:08You know, I was really skeptical when we first came out,
26:10and I expected to see a place where humans were,
26:12and that you would see evidence of humans.
26:14You would see trash.
26:15But now that I've been out here, there's no trash.
26:17There's no proof that anybody's been out here.
26:19So it's really surprising that Frank found metal here.
26:24This is like the perfect area, and you'll hear a sound.
26:27It sounds like this when you run across a piece of metal,
26:31and it'll find stuff that's really, really tiny.
26:33Now, is it possible that you said
26:35that it'll search three feet deep?
26:36Is it possible that over 70 years,
26:39something would be more than three feet down,
26:41something of that weight and material?
26:45No.
26:46The material is very thin and very lightweight.
26:48And unlike gold or iron, it doesn't sink.
26:51It works its way to the surface.
26:55So when your dad, when he first brought you out here,
26:59and he said, we're going to go out and medical protect,
27:01and we're looking for alien material,
27:03did you think it was nuts?
27:04I had heard the stories of Roswell and the crash site
27:08and all that, and him being of a fairly scientific background,
27:12that's pretty interesting for him.
27:14This place is in the middle of nowhere.
27:16It's desolate.
27:17It's a wasteland.
27:19There's no reason for anything to be out here,
27:21yet we've found metal.
27:23I will say this, the universe is far too large
27:27for us to be the only intelligent species.
27:30It's entirely possible that something
27:32could have happened out here.
27:36I think it's undeniable that something happened,
27:38whether it was a weather balloon or a secret aircraft or a UFO.
27:42I am a veteran.
27:43I tend to believe that the military has a lot of things
27:46that they cover up, and I'm more believing that it was something
27:50that the general public didn't know about
27:51rather than a UFO from outer space.
28:09One thing that I repeatedly see in my research
28:11is a project called Project Mogul.
28:13It was actually a program that was highly classified at the time.
28:16So I've reached out to Alejandro Rojas.
28:19He's a journalist with a lot of experience
28:21researching UFOs.
28:22What can you tell me about Project Mogul?
28:25Project Mogul was a top secret project
28:28that started in 1947 by the Army Air Force.
28:32They were sending microphones into the atmosphere
28:35using balloons similar to weather balloons
28:38so they could listen for seismic waves.
28:41And these waves gave them information
28:44about Soviet nuclear testing.
28:46So is what we see in these photographs a Project Mogul balloon?
28:50So what was found in Roswell is not what's in those images.
28:55Those images were a cover-up.
28:57We were told that the Roswell funeral home was asked to bring
29:00four child-sized caskets to the air base.
29:03What do you think about reports that bodies were found at the crash site?
29:06The second report that they did on the Roswell incident claims that people saw bodies,
29:12but that these weren't aliens. They were crash chest dummies that they were dropping out of airplanes.
29:18However, the project where they were dropping these dummies didn't happen until the late 50s,
29:24which is well after the Roswell incident, which we all know happened in 1947.
29:28Why do you have to stage a photo op? Why do you have to do a report?
29:32Why do you have to give an explanation to something if there's really nothing going on?
29:35I agree. And I think what's interesting and really credible is Marcel's testimony himself.
29:41Years later, when he talked to UFO researchers, he had felt that the truth would come out at some point,
29:47that what they found was not the balloon. It was not Mogul. It was something much, much more mysterious.
29:58It was something that he found at the crash site.
30:09Frank has decided to let me get some of the pieces he found at the crash site analyzed,
30:13only because I'm bringing them here to Atlas Testing Labs.
30:17These guys should be able to tell us what we're possibly dealing with.
30:21Very nice to meet you. Thank you so much for doing this today.
30:24All right, this is how it was given to me, so I'm going to hand that over.
30:27Perfect. All righty.
30:30What do you think? What kind of tests are you going to be doing with these?
30:34So we'll be testing these for elemental composition. We're going to be running them for
30:38aluminum and for moly. Moly is short for moly-denium. And then we're also going to be
30:42running them against known aluminum standards, a 3000 series, to basically see if it corresponds
30:47with anything like that. Okay, so we're looking at two tests.
30:50Correct. So for the test, basically, we're going to have to cut your sample down to size,
30:53and then we're going to use acid to dissolve it and turn it into a solution. And then we're going
30:58to be able to run it through the ICP. And that is going to then give us whatever the elemental
31:02constituents are.
31:03So when Major Jesse Marcel was flown to Fort Worth, he was asked to do a photo op with the remnants of
31:12what was discovered at the crash site. And in that photo op was Brigadier General Ramey holding a memo
31:19that we have yet to have deciphered. So I reached out to Ben Hanson. He is a forensic photo analyst,
31:26and he previously worked for the FBI. So, Jennifer, as you know, this photo is one of the most iconic
31:35pieces of the Roswell puzzle, right? Absolutely.
31:38The high-res copies that are out there of this negative, of this Ramey memo, we call it,
31:44are pretty good in one sense. In another sense, it's very frustrating because we've kind of reached
31:51the limit of where I think we might be able to get with it. So as you can see up here, we have the
31:56original full photo. Take a look at the screen there. What we've done is we've flipped the whole
32:03photo 180. So you're looking down as if you were behind General Ramey's shoulder. The second line,
32:11I think, is probably the most clear of everything we have in this message, and it's important.
32:17That clearly has two letters. So given the context, that I can clearly see F-O-R-T.
32:25Uh-huh. Matching that. Could possibly be an I,
32:28but it's not an I because it's Fort. It looks like Fort Worth. Comma.
32:34Uh-huh. T-E-X. They're in Fort Worth, Texas.
32:40All right. This is what I've been waiting for.
32:54Okay. So three out of your six samples were not able to fully dissolve. And when they did dissolve,
32:59they basically broke down into some sort of organic-looking material that we are not able
33:03to run here at Atlas. We are, you know, strictly a metals lab, and so we're not able to run the
33:08organics. Correct me if I'm wrong. It had elements of metal or alloy or whatnot with an organic as well?
33:17Yeah. So it could have been a metal with some sort of, you know, film over it, or, you know,
33:21we definitely don't know.
33:22All of our tests are complete. Ethan is in there right now, crunching the numbers, and soon we're
33:32finally going to get our results. Let's look at one other thing here. On the third line down,
33:38okay, if you look right here, now you may not be able to make out the exact words, but do you see
33:44any grammatical punctuation there? You don't see a comma, right? No.
33:52Look right here. Is that an asterisk or a quotation? Quotation marks. Okay.
33:59In our modern day, if you put something in quotations, and we do this all the time, right? Right.
34:05It's what we say when it's ambiguous what the message, like, it's kind of like,
34:10I don't really know what to call this. You put quotations around it. Okay. Either you're quoting
34:15a person, okay, as a fact, this is what they called it. Right.
34:19Or you're saying, I'm not quite sure. As we look now at the individual letters,
34:26I see one, two, three, four. I see it. I see it.
34:30What do you see in that? I see it. D-I-S.
34:34And it looks like it could be a C or a K. It's disk. I see it.
34:39Yeah. So one of my favorites, if you take a look at this right here, what letter can you see there?
34:49This one?
34:50The next line above it, right there.
34:54I mean, if I had to guess, I would say a V or a Y.
34:59That's exactly what I was thinking. You really have two choices.
35:01Right.
35:02V or a Y, okay? The one next to it.
35:06I'm not in the business of guessing, so I have troubles with this. But if somebody said
35:11an I. Okay. I would go with that as well. And as you go along here, we can see, let's say it's a V
35:18or a Y. We have an I. We can see individual letters that would be one, two, three, four, five,
35:27five or six, I'm guessing. Would you go with that?
35:29I would go with that. Gosh.
35:32Do you see what it says?
35:34It looks like it's home.
35:54Right now, Ethan is in the office, crunching the numbers, getting everything together. He's going
35:58to be bringing a few more people into this to look at it. I gave Jennifer a call. I'm hoping she can get
36:03here in time to hear the results. A prior test of these aluminum alloys found impossibly large
36:10quantities of molybdenum, suggesting that they may not have been man-made. So the question is,
36:16will this new test confirm that the metal is not of the start?
36:20So you guys brought us six pieces. And what we had to do is we had to digest those six pieces into
36:26a solution using acid. Of the six, we were able to digest three of them completely.
36:30And what does it mean if you're not able to digest a sample?
36:33We couldn't dissolve it, and we can't test that.
36:35Now, why only three of the six?
36:37There was some kind of organic material in it. It could have been plastic or dirt or any organic
36:43material. And because we're a metals testing lab, we really can't test organic materials.
36:48So one of the samples, it had 98.6% aluminum in it. We had one other sample that was 92.5% aluminum.
36:56Now, in terms of that one element we were really looking for, the libtinum, we were told by another
37:03lab that it contained 3.0%.
37:06It would be really unusual, to say the least. But we did run for the moly specifically,
37:13and that was 0.006%. So again, much lower than the 3% that you were anticipating.
37:20That's a drastic change.
37:21Yeah.
37:23That's a huge difference from what we were told.
37:26So I have to admit, I'm really disappointed because when Frank had given us the results from
37:30the other lab and said it was 3% molybdenum, we thought, you know, we have something here.
37:35So to hear that...
37:36It's disappointing. It's an answer.
37:38And what would be a reason that you would see 3% molybdenum in a metal like that?
37:42Perhaps the wavelengths were just misread by their analytical machine.
37:47Basically, the moly wavelength is pretty similar to a few other elements wavelengths.
37:53Perhaps that was where the error potentially occurred.
37:55That difference in the molybdenum was kind of what we were
37:59really banking on and hoping you guys would find.
38:03So your equipment is standardized to known elements, correct?
38:05Correct.
38:06So if there is an unknown element, you wouldn't even be able to pick it up.
38:09Right. If the machine wasn't standardized to the element, we wouldn't be able to detect it.
38:13But that leaves us with some unanswered questions about those other ones.
38:18Well, thank you guys for clarifying a lot of this for us.
38:21It's our pleasure.
38:22You know, I think that we should get back because I got some information
38:25from the photo analysis that we should talk about.
38:27Okay.
38:33So when I met with Ben today, unfortunately, we weren't able to see exactly every sentence
38:40and every word of the document of the Remy Memo. But we did get some good information out of it.
38:46Okay.
38:46So there were three things that definitely stood out. So the first one is location.
38:51It clearly says Fort Worth, T-E-X.
38:54So they were in Fort Worth. That makes sense.
38:57The second one was in quotation marks. And it either says D-I-S-C or D-I-S-K.
39:04So definitively disk of some sort.
39:07Definitely. But I think that it says something that it was in quotation marks as opposed to
39:11without quotation marks.
39:12Yeah.
39:13It's kind of implying we don't know exactly what we found, but this is what it best looks like.
39:18The third thing is perhaps the most telling. You can clearly see that it says the word victims.
39:27So if we go by the report issued by the Air Force in the early 90s talking about how what happened
39:31at Roswell was actually Project Mogul, that doesn't make any sense. There are no victims if you're
39:37launching balloons to spy on the Russians.
39:40I've spoken to so many people who claimed that there were bodies found at the crash site.
39:46Well, the government came back and said, no, no, no. If there were bodies,
39:48it must have been crash test dummies.
39:50Then why would they need caskets that were child size?
39:53Since when do you bury crash test dummies?
39:55Right.
39:57Let's take a look at some of the things that we have.
40:00Okay. So let's look at Marcel. First officer on the crash site.
40:05He knew that was not a weather balloon. So, I mean, the cover-up started immediately.
40:09Right.
40:10So I keep coming back to these, Jen. Flying discs, saucers. I mean, why would this headline even exist?
40:18This was by the military.
40:19Yeah, the headline was given to them.
40:21Yeah.
40:22You know, when we refer back to the crash site, we've got these bulldozer tracks,
40:25which doesn't make sense. You don't bring a bulldozer in if it's a weather balloon. You don't
40:28bring a bulldozer in if it's a balloon that crashed because of Project Mogul. You just go and pick up the
40:32pieces. So the fact that they had a bulldozer going to the area.
40:37Yeah, that just doesn't make sense to me.
40:39Yeah. All of this is way more questions than answers.
40:42I wanted to think this was an extra rush group. I'll go and believe in it. Prove to me it's not.
40:56And I think that's kind of what I wanted out of all this was to get that smoking gun.
41:00I thought maybe it would come with the materials.
41:03Right.
41:03The people looking at this case, the older researchers involved, they're frustrated because
41:10there's so many dead ends as we found. But at the end of the day, it comes down to
41:17the younger generation getting interested in this case, refusing to let it go. And whatever lay at
41:23the source of this cover, whoever lay at the source of it, I refuse to let it die. They wanted this to
41:30go away forever. And I refuse to let that happen. Absolutely.
41:34This investigation isn't over. In fact, we're only getting started. There's materials that still have
41:40to be tested. There's the crash site itself. The possibilities are endless of what could still be
41:45out there. I think the fact that we saw those words in the memo means we're onto something. We have
41:51to go back to Roswell. The story of the child-sized caskets has to be pinned down. You know, when we first
41:57talked, I had made very clear to you that I needed evidence to determine one way or another. I am
42:04confident in saying there was a cover-up of some sort. It was not a weather balloon. It clearly was
42:09not Project Mogul. Something else happened. So I think that we can definitively ascertain that there
42:15was in fact a cover-up, but what exactly they're covering up is still not clear. So where does that
42:20leave us? Like I said, more questions than answers.
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