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Willard and Dibs react to what former 49ers lineback Gary Plummer told the Morning Roast about the 49ers-Cowvboys rivalry. Is that rivalry still alive and well?
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00:00yeah it got hot on uh a uh i don't know what we call it like a side interview or
00:06something like
00:07that um it was like the ephraim salaam of radio no it's a side piece well no you know what
00:14it was
00:14it was like the jordan schultz of the morning show remember when we recorded jordan schultz
00:20about the trade deadline right and then defores buckner got traded right in the middle of the
00:25recorded interviews so we couldn't run it so um spadoni and shasky talked to uh niner linebacker
00:32great gary plumber um but some things kind of went down where they they couldn't run it however
00:38um we can pull some of what he said off of it and it is spicy it's fire so we'll
00:47get to that in a sec
00:48uh niners cowboys bleep dallas basically and he's the original bleep dallas shirt wearer
00:54correct so that i think was the ultimate tie-in where they're taking on dallas and he wore the
00:59shirt and then kittle had an homage to the shirt and he pulled up the shirt and so it's all
01:04about
01:04the bleep dallas uh vine of the shirt and gary still has those same feelings about dallas apparently and
01:11i got a story to share with it this is going to be great but we're going to go to
01:14the phones first
01:15um 888-957-9570 we're talking out uh niners and cowboys obviously the warriors are in texas as well
01:23and so we'll get you ready for uh warriors and spurs a little bit later and in fact there was
01:28even a trade request made by an nba player that might be of interest to the warriors we'll get
01:34to all of that coming up let's go to frisco d in nevado hey frisco d what you doing hello
01:41i'm
01:41listening to you guys perfect that's your assignment every day yeah i like i like the name frisco i'm a
01:49native san franciscan and you know i don't know if you guys know this but there's a a city or
01:54town
01:55outside of dallas called frisco texas yes indeed we are aware oh good oh that's good i'm glad you know
02:02yeah so i'm a native san franciscan i uh i graduated from high school in san francisco in 1971
02:09so i saw those cowboys games i wonder when was that keys are and the worst one you know the
02:1772
02:17game where they lost in the last two minutes there's good trivia there that game gene washington ran the
02:24opening kickoff for a touchdown we thought it was an easy game craig morton started the game for the
02:31cowboys and roger stallback came in i think in the set in the second quarter and they lost in the
02:37last
02:37two minutes they scored a touchdown but i'm irish i'll never forget this guy's name preston riley
02:44who fumbled the onside kick and uh the cowboys went on to win the game and the stadium was half
02:51empty we're standing behind the cowboy bench and the rollout seats and all jumping up and down i'll
02:58just never forget that yeah no there there are obviously a lot of memories in this rivalry and for
03:05for many fans uh for years the cowboys were the team that the niners just could not get over but
03:11um it's not that way anymore obviously the catch game so huge yep and the subsequent victories and
03:19and there's there's always been uh i don't think the rivalry has died not from anybody i know around
03:26here well san francisco yeah that's kind of my point and uh frisco d thank you very much great to
03:31hear
03:32from you that that's kind of my point like i look if you if you're 35 or younger and you
03:39you like
03:40you're not feeling this or it just feels like another sunday that's fine that's fine um but i i i
03:46wonder
03:47if for a lot of you you might realize if you're sort of north of 35 north of 40 um
03:54this is never going to
03:56go away i don't care if the cowboys never win another football game against anyone ever again
04:01i will still want to stomp them by 30 every single time the 49ers play them and and and and
04:09laugh
04:09after it happens for life and i'm in the same boat and you know obviously our caller was old enough
04:16to
04:16remember the first iteration and then the second iteration where the catch game ultimately launched
04:21the 49ers dynasty and then the third iteration which was dallas had their dynasty and you know
04:27a few of those were oh on the back of steve young and ultimately he got the monkey off his
04:32back and
04:32then from there dallas hasn't won the niners haven't won but at least the niners in the last few times
04:37they've met in the playoffs they got over in that individual game and so i do think that the the
04:43rivalry right now in this moment it's not nearly as volatile because dallas is in a spot they've been
04:50in for a long time which is you're not that potent you're not that relevant but still it's that
04:55uniform it's this uniform it's the star and i wonder if you know the star doesn't come into play
05:01on sunday um well i mean i know what you're getting at um and um i doubt it uh but
05:10uh the the implication
05:11that you're making and obviously george kittle is the one who's currently on the team that is still
05:15trying to instigate a little bit and he's 83 yards away from passing to for uh on the list of
05:21all-time niner receiving yards so does he score and does he go to the star and does he do
05:27what to
05:28did oh so many decades ago that would be dramatic it would be unbelievable i don't think the league
05:36would love it i don't think the cowboys would love it um but you know george doesn't it's funny that
05:46george instigates so much with this because that's not usually who he is he's a huge personality
05:53um but he's never struck me as a guy that goes out on the field to do kind of the
05:59in-your-face trash
06:01talk i that's never it's never struck me that way with george not too over the top like that when
06:07tl ran to the star and like spiked the ball and the whole thing and you know it turned into
06:11a bit
06:12of a brawl that was very direct and over the top but every time george kittle gets a catch he
06:16does the
06:17little point and we're going this way and also you have to remember that he's a big fan of professional
06:23wrestling so this would be a great time if you want to play the heel and when you pull up
06:27the shirt
06:28that says blank dallas that is basically playing the heel and so i'm not saying that he does it but
06:33if the niners are up you know 28 to 14 and he gets a touchdown midway through the fourth and
06:39he breaks
06:40teo's record i could see him maybe you know going that route yeah i guess i like he also he
06:45just so
06:46goofy though too you know like remember his trash talk in the super bowl when he was like you're george
06:52and i'm george like that's the way george tends to like he's he's half a cup of crazy so there's
07:00a
07:01respect and love for the physicality of the sport and i'm sure he's very talkative out on the field but
07:07like slamming down something on the star it just i don't know that doesn't feel like george to me
07:14feels a little over the top yeah and you know when tio did it i'm just looking it was september
07:1824th
07:19of 2000 so we're now 26 plus years removed oh my god when he did that but you know i
07:25just think
07:25if george broke tio's record and got a touchdown i mean might he do something more dramatic than just
07:32like pulling up your uniform and showing a shirt he might um we'll see uh so where did it all
07:37come
07:37from gary plumber niner linebacker great um who was the original f dallas wearer this is where it
07:45originally came from i used to do their morning radio show with them lamont tinelli and i probably
07:53said dallas 10 times during the interview so he surprised me one day and literally i was opening
08:02up the box and i had an interview that day with uh pat summerall it was it was crazy because
08:09you know
08:10him and madden they saw the shirts and they're like you gotta give me one of those and i said
08:16well
08:17just make sure you don't wear it to the game because the nfl has already told me that if i
08:23wore it
08:24during the game they'd find me 50 grand my wait a second kiddo gets fined 13 grand i get fined
08:3150
08:32grand that's crazy okay so that that's awesome great uh and there's much more here's gary talking
08:39about kittle wearing the shirt i was shocked i i was watching the game and and i just got a
08:46huge
08:46smile on my face actually i just ordered a bunch of dallas t-shirts because um i gave them all
08:55away i i had
08:56like eight boxes of them so you know now i'm getting family and friends asking for them again
09:03so i had to order a new batch but um yeah it was a super cool day to see that
09:09and and you know just to
09:11pay homage because it's true i felt and kenny norton felt and all the guys that they brought in
09:18richard dent we we all felt like we owed it to eddie the bartolo because he went out and said
09:25you know
09:25what i am all in i don't care what it takes you guys are going to bring me a super
09:30bowl and
09:30it happened obviously because those were the expectations and i think you know that's what
09:36george is trying to say i mean he's even talking about kenny norton who obviously spent a lot of
09:41his career as a dallas cowboy uh but then uh kind of adopted this maybe later in the career right
09:47and
09:48you can adopt it whenever you want to adopt it and that's where you know george kittle i think is
09:52so
09:52aware of what's gone on before which is why he had the blank dallas shirt on in the first place
09:57and
09:58so you get into that spot and maybe you feel some type of way and you want to spice things
10:03up a little
10:03bit i wouldn't put it past him like if mccaffrey did it i'd be stunned or you know brock purdy
10:10anybody else other than george and i do think that george understands the theatrics of pro wrestling and
10:16also the theatrics of this rivalry so i would not be stunned if he did something like this all right
10:21who is gary plumber thinking of when he says bleep dallas unfortunately there's a bunch of them
10:27but but it would have to start at the top with jerry jones i mean just like dude really get
10:36get over
10:37it and and and that's a bad face even though he's had uh plastic surgery okay yeah it doesn't doesn't
10:45pew pew pew doesn't stop there uh spadoni asks gary plumber what he thinks of when he thinks of the
10:52cowboys when i say the dallas cowboys what's the first thing that comes to your mind dallas back then
10:59they had so many punks they thought because they put a uniform on that they were going to intimidate
11:06everybody uh you weren't the america's team you weren't california's team you weren't san francisco's
11:13team i promise you that so i just i it just it was synonymous with a bunch of arrogant whiny
11:22bitches okay
11:26and there's one more and you can fill in the blank on arrogant whiny you don't have to play match
11:31game
11:31to know what he starts with a b yeah um and then um he went on to call out one
11:38more specific whiny
11:42blank um here it is this is uh uh gary plumber talking about uh the playmaker in the 90s michael
11:50ervin is as obnoxious as they come great player but i like to call him a punk ass bitch but
11:56you call
11:56him what you want there it is gary plumber didn't call him the playmaker no
12:01you call them uh something else entirely correct so there you have it it's funny i like it used to
12:08be like this and it's fine that it's not but that's a big part of why rivalries i said this
12:16earlier
12:16rivalries now are kind of it's about fan base versus fan base it is to me at least do you
12:22know
12:22what i mean that's why uh when the niners were going to seattle i'm like oh the 12s sure like
12:27this
12:27is all about and and that's well sam darnold we're out to get you no like you've reclaimed
12:33your career here he's a nice guy he loves the 49ers sam donald he attributes his career to the
12:4049ers and your offensive coordinator we're coming for you well you actually coached here about 12
12:45minutes ago so do we really hate him no it's it's it's about fan base on fan base but it
12:50didn't used
12:51to be that way it used to actually be the players and uh and they did not like each other
12:57now
12:58professional sports it's a little bit of a of a fraternity and i get it part of that is part
13:03of it
13:03is the money part of it is the free agency of it all there's a lot more movement and i
13:09think that
13:09players sort of i think they are the ones who can understand each other because they're the ones who
13:15experience their lives and so there's a respect level that usually sits there now there are some
13:19examples and some exceptions we could probably have draymond green on and he'll go ahead and name
13:25some people that he thinks are are bleepity bleeps um but we don't get a lot of that in pro
13:30sports
13:30anymore i'm reminded i've told you this story before but you remember the day that i ended up
13:34golfing randomly with two all-time former dodger greats and this is going way back wills and don
13:42newcomb yeah i was gonna say don drysdale but i think he was already uh gone got paired with them
13:47randomly at a golf course down in southern california one time and they couldn't have
13:52been nicer but the funny part was and the guy my buddy who i was playing with knew this because
13:58he
13:58lived down there for his whole life so he was a dodger fan and then there's maury and then there's
14:03don
14:03and then there's me die hard giants fan and what kind of a head cover did i have on my
14:11driver
14:12he got the giants so the whole day i'm sort of like walking at certain angles and kind of keeping
14:20my distance a little bit because i didn't want these dudes to see my driver head cover and i could
14:27have put it away but whatever it was like it's just a driver head cover at a certain point don
14:31newcomb
14:32he sees it i couldn't protect it for the entire day we played a full 18 and he comes over
14:37and he's like
14:38giants huh and then maury comes over and hears and starts telling me the the legendary stories about
14:46what the giants ground crew used to do at candlestick park when maury wills was coming to town and they
14:52would over water the infield because he was the best base dealer in the game and they were trying
14:58to slow him down they were trying to muddy the whole thing up and so um he had a personal
15:05thing with
15:06the giants and newcomb started talking about individuals and not even ones that he played
15:10with he started ripping barry bonds he's like you know that guy's not he not nice to fans and blah
15:17blah
15:18blah it was personal they did not like the san francisco giants or the franchise as a whole i think
15:26it was
15:27that way in the 90s with the niners and cowboys as well you could hear from gary plumber no doubt
15:32and
15:32if you look at the the sequence of games that they actually played and i'm looking at the game log
15:37right now so playoffs in 93 the 92 season dallas wins the next year it is a regular season game
15:44dallas
15:45wins later that year in the playoffs dallas wins and then the next year regular season the niners win
15:50and then the playoffs the niners finally get over on dallas in the playoffs and so they played
15:55five times over the course of about 24 months and three of those were high leverage playoff games and
16:02the niners didn't win two of the three and so there was that certain sense of chip on the shoulder
16:07the thing about to i think is more about to than it was about the rivalry and i know that
16:13he's aware
16:13of it and jerry rice was still on the team and all the rest of it but they were actually
16:17crushing
16:17dallas in that game they scored with about four minutes left to scores pivots and goes all the way
16:23back to the star to do his thing and george teague is right behind him and so that to me
16:28was less
16:28about we've played five times and we finally beat you that was more about blank you dallas yeah true
16:34ethos well that was just to that was to like obviously there were a lot of planned celebrations
16:41when scoring in the life and times of terrell owens um from you know sharpies in the sock to
16:47popcorn get your popcorn right donating the ball to the salvation army like he had this stuff
16:53prepped um and he went out to the star twice as it turned out right um and famously almost knocked
16:59jeff garcia over trying to get to the star um didn't stop to celebrate with his quarterback he
17:05had his damn plan and he was gonna execute it and yeah on the second one um the cowboys were
17:11ready for
17:12it and that's why george teague went out there and tried to knock him off of the star but so
17:17yeah i'm with
17:17you that one i don't know if that was so much niners cowboys as much it was to against the
17:22world
17:22um but that doesn't mean that you know there there isn't a lot of this i would actually i'd love
17:28to
17:28see george do something like something something to revitalize this you know what the most recent text
17:35about this on our board says 510 says i also feel bleep the cowboys as a cowboys fan oh wow
17:44so that's
17:45and that is precisely what i'm getting at i just i don't know that i've experienced in my life of
17:51watching sports a great and loud fan base that's ever just sort of like mailed it on in just like
18:00we're we're done with the braggadocia we don't have any left they used to and um that stuff is not
18:10rational so i'm almost out here encouraging dallas fans be annoying again make dallas annoying again
18:17you've got nothing to say and it's kind of frustrating well it's because they're broken
18:24and rj choppy who joined us from our sister station in dallas he spoke to it which is
18:28you know the one through line is the gm and it's the owner and it's been so long since they've
18:33been
18:33really really good they've had playoff appearances but they've not been able to
18:37get over it and since barry switzer won the super bowl and left they've had seven different coaches
18:42including the carrot as lo neal would call him jason garrett and the carrot didn't get it done
18:47and you've gone through a variety of other coaches and i do think that dallas has had
18:52like in august and i did it this year and i regret it i thought you know what dallas that's
18:57my team to
18:58win the nfc east and they still might but if they do they'll be nine and seven and or nine
19:03and eight
19:04and the giants will be eight eight and one and so they're not going to be a threat i thought
19:09this was
19:09the year that dallas could actually be a threat i did too it feels like every year you look at
19:14dallas and go yeah dallas has the pieces man that offense and you know if the defense could just be
19:19decent blah blah blah so if you're a cowboy fan you're probably just so beaten down it reminds me
19:25a little bit of mark grandy our great producer and how he feels about the postseason because they
19:31the niners have been close and you have a little bit of that ptsd but if you're dallas like your
19:36ptsd
19:38comes from losing a regular season game you shouldn't or losing in the wild card it's similar
19:43but it's also a little different they totally are still in this uh sure they're totally still in
19:48this and that's not to say that because they're good it's because and this is honestly a problem
19:53that um we're just gonna have to deal with and it's it's for another day but i promise you we're
19:59gonna have this conversation right around when christmas rolls around the nfc has got a real issue
20:05this year it's unfortunate two of their four divisions are absolute and complete crap that
20:11offer nothing the new york giants are not that good of a football team their five three and one record
20:19is completely a house of cards i mean it's it's it's built on the complete obliteration of some of the
20:29other rosters in their division for instance they got a eight point win against philadelphia
20:35a week ago the eagles don't have any of their players anymore just a total obliteration the giants
20:42caught my eye when they won at houston in overtime a few weeks ago um obviously the giants were granted
20:49a
20:49tie by the ridiculousness of the washington commanders the last time they played that famous
20:54uh jaden daniels finish where they the commanders don't win last night quinn is so fired right and
21:01then their other wins also came against dallas the cardinals and the titans it's not a good football
21:07team and their next four weeks they've got jacksonville the niners and a trip to seattle on the schedule this
21:13is the giants i'm talking about so like i there is every bit the possibility that 500 wins two of
21:21these divisions below 500 right and both would host in the playoffs that to me is the really offensive
21:27part of all this because i get it you win your division fine you get to go to the playoffs
21:32but
21:33if you are seven and nine and one you shouldn't get to host