00:06eight different contenders adding a starter as a deadline approached
00:10lion's not one of them let's go to the phones henry and chesterfield henry good morning
00:15hey thanks for having me fellas i'm gonna be quick and use the pistons analogy right quick
00:19when chuck daly was our coach and you know we won some championships and eventually you know
00:25when he moved on we um had some really bad seasons some really bad coaches then we brought
00:31rick carl in and all of a sudden the pistons were back to winning 50 plus games next thing you
00:38know
00:38he gets fired everyone's saying how can you fire a guy that won 50 plus games we never knew what
00:45was
00:45going on and then eventually i found out he just wasn't a nice guy and with management and stuff
00:50like that but they let a 50 plus coach win who looked like he would have he was getting us
00:56back
00:57to the promised land what they do they brought larry brown in and um we wind up winning a championship
01:04in almost a second the bottom line is um rick carl could only take us so far the pistons saw
01:12that and
01:12let him go well i'm just kind of wondering if the same thing here with brad holmes we've been pretty
01:18bad for a while he's getting us to the promised land better than we've ever been before but now
01:24um is this as far as he could take us and do we have to find someone else you know
01:30that's going to
01:31get us beyond that next level what the pistons did you know if you've plateaued the question is if the
01:38lions have plateaued right if they've gone as far as they can go with this approach where draft and
01:42develop is is 95 of the roster as opposed to using the other tools more aggressively free agency in
01:49the trade deadline you know i mean john if if they make the playoffs and we think they're going to
01:53make the playoffs yeah but they get bounced in the first or even second round are we going to be
01:59sitting here going okay how many years of this all pro collection of talent are we going to squander
02:06before someone hits the accelerator and if it won't be brad does it need to be someone else
02:11well a lot of it's going to be dependent on i mean context will matter like how why do they
02:15lose
02:15right is it is it another performance like like against washington where okay yeah you were you
02:22were insufficient defensively but it was the offense that lost it like you that's going to matter i think
02:27we can all sit there and say is this defense good enough to win a super bowl guys the same
02:32thing
02:33happened with brian murray with the red wings as the coach because they had scotty bowman to go to
02:38the pistons had larry brown to go to the problem is there's no gm on the market to go to
02:44like those
02:45guys with that analogy not saying that there shouldn't be heat not saying it should even be
02:49considered somebody somebody else to push it forward those were unique dumars had and and the red wings
02:58at that time they had the option to it was an automatic upgrade i don't think i don't think that
03:04person
03:04exists as a general manager out there unless you trade for a gm you're gonna trade for that ever
03:10happened john schneider oh god uh jim on a sell you're next you're on 97 one
03:19long on this but and i hope the lions are right and brad holmes is right and we go on
03:25and we win
03:26everything this year but i just can't imagine that brad holmes and i hate to use the word clueless or
03:33neff because i don't think he's that but i just can't imagine he's that like short-sighted is this
03:40coming from the top like you guys had mentioned earlier with the ownership like i did his one of
03:45his peers or colleagues from the rams just went down and made all those moves in jacksonville like
03:51i just can't imagine he's sitting there as a football guy and not realizing you need to upgrade
04:00your defense i mean the team that he came from i mean and this is no slight on jared goff
04:05because i
04:05love him but they felt they needed to go in a different direction as a quarterback and that was
04:09the one missing piece that got them over the hump we need that in the defensive backfield and he just
04:16refuses to do it it's just so frustrating i i'm just i was so mad yet yesterday felt like i
04:21woke up
04:22on christmas morning and nothing was under the tree jim i had forgotten to connect those dots i i had
04:28forgotten that james gladstone was an la rams guy grew up in the same organization that brad holmes did
04:35gladstone's the jags general manager right i mean the apple didn't fall from the tree there
04:41not right now theo in detroit you're on 97 one hey how you doing fellas go blue guys not a
04:48blue week
04:49for go blue but yeah i was calling because i've been off the train for a season and a half
04:57last year when they got rid of daven when they got rid of um carlton davis and when um levi
05:05and
05:06davenport made the team i jumped off right then and there i was through with the lions all my friends
05:13know i'm through with them and all my friends is the reason why the lions still the way they are
05:20they still go to lion takeovers they were still at they went to carolina and they still buy these
05:26find the merchandise they still pay a hundred dollar parking and i'm just through with it
05:32once davenport made the team last year i was through
05:37i can understand the frustration that's the breaking point for you yeah
05:41i mean it's it's when they continue to you know draft injured guys and stick with them
05:50and levi owns a rica davenport and some of them were drafts some of them were free agency
05:55would they acquire these guys that they're hoping will either fulfill what the expectations were
06:02whether it was by them or others when they came out of college and you continue to make them a
06:09part of
06:09the equation the frustration continues to build
06:16who's next let's go to ron in birmingham ron good morning
06:19hey how's it going uh same thing everyone else has been talking about i mean you see every other
06:26team in the league two in our division vikings making a move for kirk bears making a move for
06:32simmons all these contending teams making these big moves making these big trades there's no
06:39possible way that brad holmes and everyone else within the lines organization thinks that this is
06:45a super bowl winning defense we saw it against the bills earlier this year yeah we've looked
06:51a little better the last three four games but you're playing terrible offenses if you go up against
06:59a 49ers a bears a packers a rams in the playoffs it's what it's been the last two or three
07:05years
07:06you're hoping to score more points than they am when they that they do getting a shootout
07:10and it's i mean you just can't it's yeah you're you're hoping that the offense puts up 40
07:17every week against those type of teams uh that's just such a narrow path it you know it's it can
07:24happen it's just you're you're putting yourself into a really narrow path to win and stack playoff
07:29games and you don't have to ron that's the whole point like eight other contenders added at this
07:35trade deadline added starters at this deadline and that that doesn't mean they all clinched the super
07:39bowl only one can get it but the idea was hey let's let's get one guy better not one player
07:46away but
07:46one guy better and and and detroit decided to opt out of that for what reason i use the word
07:52arrogance because they're so confident in their team or or if it's not arrogance it's it's
07:57incompetence i mean you take your pick it's exactly that it's there is it's this false arrogance that
08:04they have that they believe they have the guys to do it or yeah it's incompetence i mean the value
08:11that brad holmes puts on his draft capital to me is also unfathomable you're not gambling but you're
08:18not going to get an aiden hutchinson or brian branch every year yeah brad holmes has done great in the
08:24past and we give him props for that of course he built this team but you still need to get
08:30these
08:30bona fide studs in the nfl that you've already seen produce and make impact you don't know what's
08:35going to happen per se 2024 draft class with terry narold and this ratio right both of those guys
08:42right now where are they rick straw i guess yeah has played a little bit this year he's doing his
08:48thing but you don't know what you're getting every i mean same thing with vikings they have had a great
08:56great defense all year incompetent offense when got cousins bears same thing have a great offense
09:04needed some help on that d-line went and got simmons these are guys that they have seen produced in
09:08the
09:08nfl they know what they're getting right you're right and it's i don't even extend it out beyond
09:14that you're you're starting division first which is where we always start and you mentioned cousins
09:18and you mentioned simmons and those are going to be impactful moves they're going to make it harder
09:21for the lions not impossible but harder for the lions john's top team in the power series is the
09:25niners they added a couple vets including the forest buckner on the d-line but also the band-aid
09:30move a keenan allen a veteran player to help him in the interim to survive the injuries that they've
09:34sustained so far those are nfc teams it's also the afc teams anybody that you think can win the
09:38super bowl in the afc made a move yep you know i mean it's the chiefs denver denver it's buffalo
09:45and and of course jacksonville anybody you think can win a super bowl in the afc is going out making
09:49moves and anybody in your divisions making moves and any heavy hitters making moves the only team
09:53that really didn't in the nfc is the rams and i can kind of understand well you and i think
09:58they're
09:59finishing last in this division right famously the meat stick bet right but but of of teams that have
10:04that super bowl kind of shine to them the rams are the only team that didn't and i can kind
10:08of
10:09understand why they didn't right i mean they expended major capital to revamp their secondary and add miles
10:17garrett right yeah so they've they've obviously added you know corners they've added miles garrett
10:22they brought back aaron donald and in the all the injuries have affected them offensively and they
10:30in and yesterday they didn't deem it necessary to spend draft capital to go out and improve their
10:35their wide receiving core
10:43phones are lighting up all morning long people are fired up about this we'll hear more from lions fans
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