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00:00But I totally get that, because it probably takes someone, I don't know,
00:03secure and strong and successful to be my friend, and maybe that's not you.
00:10Virtual reality.
00:12Hi, I'm Denny Murphy.
00:13I'm Evan Real.
00:14And I mean, last night's episode of Orange County was essentially just an extended VRT episode.
00:19Shout out to us!
00:20Basically, we were on it twice.
00:22Hello!
00:22I love that.
00:23We love, we hope all the ladies of Orange County loved it.
00:26Well, we love talking about them and to them.
00:28Exactly.
00:28And they are very captivating.
00:30And I do feel, we were kind of talking about this on Page Six Radio, there's been a lot
00:33of energy surrounding season 20 of Orange County, house-wise.
00:37There was an outlet that did a whole, like, end it now!
00:41That, of course, came out after they filmed this reunion.
00:44But this reunion, let me say, they got more to say.
00:46Even though it's only a two-part reunion, I'm very entertained.
00:49I feel like this season was a bit challenging for viewers.
00:53I gotta be honest, it wasn't super challenging for me.
00:55I'm just a fan of Orange County, and I do like these ladies.
00:58Yeah.
00:58Did it feel different?
00:59Maybe a little bit.
00:59Do they need a refresh?
01:00Perhaps.
01:01But I didn't think it was as bad as a lot of people thought it was.
01:04However, I was very entertained during part one of the reunion.
01:07I think the refresh is that everyone is refreshing their feelings on one another.
01:11Because Gina, Heather, and Emily, something tells me that group chat has not been active.
01:16Oh my god, I know.
01:17I feel like Heather was not having a fun time during part one of the reunion.
01:23The fake-as-f**k allegations came up.
01:27She's different on camera than she is versus off camera.
01:31She's making fun of zebra hair.
01:33Which, by the way, I love that hair, Carmella.
01:36And I don't think it's trashy.
01:37Carmella, you know I'm regrettably drinking a nice Americana right now.
01:40I'd much rather be having a zero-sugar monster.
01:42Right, like we appreciate your culture, Carmella.
01:45If Carmella's trashy, what the hell are we?
01:47No, I know, right.
01:49That's what I don't know.
01:50But I was telling you on the radio show today, Dani, that I do appreciate Heather for taking accountability.
01:57Yes.
01:58For admitting to Carmella on camera, to her face, I did call you trashy and I am sorry for that.
02:04It does hurt my feelings and I wouldn't do that to you.
02:06I wouldn't text you that I can't wait to see you and then turn around and say things behind your
02:10back.
02:11But things are what they are right now.
02:13Water off a duck's a** and I apologize.
02:15I really do.
02:15But it kind of seemed to me that when everything was kind of coming back up to the surface, Carmella
02:20was clocking it like.
02:22Differently.
02:22She was like, oh, you said sorry, but I feel like I'm upset again.
02:25Well, also, it's like you said sorry.
02:27Well, I think Carmella's thing was like, I'd rather you have just not been fake to me.
02:29If you just thought I was trashy, be that.
02:31Oh, tell me.
02:31I'd be like, can't wait to see you, boo-boo-boo.
02:33Right.
02:33And also, it's one thing to be like, oh, I heard you call me trashy and you apologize for that.
02:38But every single person on my couch saying you brought it up for different moments.
02:41It's like, when did you stop thinking I was trashy or did you just, are you just sorry that you
02:44said it?
02:45I think, yeah.
02:46I feel like Heather probably still thinks what she thinks about Carmella.
02:50Well, you know what, who she thinks things about?
02:53Gina.
02:54Oh, yeah.
02:55If you're, maybe you have to be, what did she say?
02:58Successful and secure and something.
03:00You have to be secure and successful to be my friend and maybe you're just not that.
03:05I mean, that was pretty.
03:07Hello from the other side.
03:08That was pretty tough.
03:10I mean, I see Gina and I see a secure, successful woman.
03:14I do too.
03:15I mean, I feel terrible for her.
03:18And honestly, you were mentioning this.
03:19I feel it was very secure of Gina to say she felt, maybe not threatened, but about Carmella, another real
03:27estate person calling the show.
03:27I'm just going to be honest about it.
03:28I think if anything, I was feeling a little threatened, honestly, you know?
03:33Yeah.
03:33Like she was feeling a certain type of way about another real estate girl coming onto the show.
03:37That has been her thing for a few years now.
03:39And I like that she was able to just admit it.
03:42Admitting, I don't know if the feeling is jealousy, but like a tinge of jealousy, admitting that is so big.
03:48Like, because it takes a lot of putting aside your ego to say out loud, oh, I'm just a jealous
03:55hater.
03:55That Beyonce song, I'm just jealous.
03:57And I feel like also, maybe it's Gina was afraid.
04:00It's like, oh my God, because she didn't really know Carmella that much before the show.
04:02Is this person going to come and like try to come after my business?
04:07And so, I mean, thankfully Carmella's like, if you don't mess with her, she's a very sweet girl.
04:10Yeah, Carmella was not that at all.
04:12Like, Carmella, I feel like her mindset is there's room for everyone.
04:15I mean, she wanted to help Jen Pedranti out.
04:18She wanted to help her choose tiles and pay her $20,000.
04:21Which, by the way, if someone wants to pay me $20,000 to choose some tiles.
04:26Do you know how jealous I was when I was younger watching Flip or Flop?
04:28And then it was Christina Hatch just going, I like that tile.
04:32And if Carmella would pay you $20,000 for it, would you not take that job?
04:36I hands in these begging.
04:37Carmella, like, actually call us.
04:38Give me a Dior, a dildo, and that job.
04:40Please.
04:41I'm a happy camper.
04:42She's so generous.
04:44But I do feel like, like you said, Carmella was clocking Heather a little differently.
04:47I feel Jen and Heather are also an interesting thing of Jen being.
04:51Because Heather feels like Jen wants her to help take down a Tamra, which I think we're going to get
04:56to more into part two.
04:56But I'm curious how that's all going to fall down.
04:59Yeah, I don't think, I mean, the way I see Jen Pedranti.
05:03I don't think she's thinking that way.
05:04She's just like a sweet baby angel.
05:06Maybe I'm naive.
05:07Maybe she's this maniacal, calculated wench.
05:11But I just don't see that.
05:13I just really don't think that she has made an effort to make Heather do the dirty work towards Tamra.
05:18I think Jen actually, although it's been tough for her to maybe rebuild her trust with Tamra,
05:23I think she and Tamra genuinely enjoy each other at this moment in time.
05:27Because also, I'm like, why would Jen invite Tamra to her kind of small wedding?
05:31Right, exactly.
05:32April 3rd, congratulations.
05:33Yes, Tamra's very excited that she's invited.
05:35Yeah, so why would she invite her if she wants to have her downfall?
05:37Yeah, I think Jen has a good heart.
05:40Yeah.
05:40I really, really do.
05:41I do too.
05:41I don't think she's trying to have anyone do her dirty work for her.
05:43But I can see how Heather, who is sensitive, would feel that way in this situation.
05:50And we're not sure, is Vicky feeling sensitive, medicated, or what?
05:54She was a little goofy this season.
05:56I mean, well, not this season, but this episode of the reunion.
06:01Because she was wheeled in after knee replacement surgery, I believe.
06:04Yeah, two days after surgery, she was doing the reunion.
06:07I am so glad she got that because her knee was stressing me the hell out.
06:10And it just seemed so painful.
06:11But Andy kind of was just straight up with her.
06:13It's like, you seem to not be, the fans are saying,
06:16you seem to not be having a great time and are wondering what you're doing here.
06:20And then also, what the hell is going on with your man?
06:23Yeah, the man of it all is kind of distressing.
06:25The reveal that he called Jen Pedranti to eviscerate her verbally and curse her out
06:32over something Jen actually told us here at Virtual Reality.
06:36Any girl would be like, he's sitting on the ring.
06:38Why do I not have it?
06:39And just like you said, it makes me sad.
06:42Yeah.
06:42It makes me sad for her.
06:43Larry!
06:44She called Vicky's relationship with Michael sad.
06:46Like, it's sad to see.
06:47And I don't, I can't disagree.
06:49And also, that was on the heels of the episode we just were,
06:52they got kicked out of the freaking house.
06:53Right, exactly.
06:55I can't disagree with her assessment.
06:56Because watching their relationship, it doesn't seem super healthy.
07:01It seems a little bit scary.
07:04Yeah.
07:04And I don't know.
07:06Michael just, I don't, I don't know.
07:07A happy relationship to me.
07:08Do you know who always makes me happy when I see them on TV?
07:10The Dubros.
07:11Yeah.
07:11Heather and Terry love each other up, down, all around, two, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
07:15Right.
07:15Love each other.
07:16You don't really get the love from Vicky and Michael.
07:19And I mean, Terry's much more comfortable on camera, obviously.
07:21Right.
07:21Because he's done his own shows and been on Orange County for a while.
07:25But Michael and Vicky seem to be a little stressed.
07:27And also, everyone was a little confused when Andy said,
07:30if Don was here and said, let's do this again, what would you do?
07:33And Vicky said, we would have to have a long conversation.
07:37Hypothetically, if he called you tomorrow and said,
07:39I want to get back together with you.
07:41Well, hypothetically, the answer would be, we have a lot to talk about.
07:45So, no, I like it.
07:48Okay, so Vicky is still in love with Don.
07:49And that's okay.
07:50That's totally okay.
07:51Do you think also she just realized this?
07:53I think in recent years.
07:54Wow.
07:55I think in recent years, she has realized that she would rather still be married to Don.
07:59She would have rather worked through the issues.
08:01I mean, she said it herself.
08:02She was like, I gave up too easily, too quickly.
08:04I should have stuck it out and made it work.
08:06And I think she thinks about her relationship trajectory after splitting from Don.
08:10And she's like, so that guy didn't work out.
08:12That guy didn't work out.
08:13That guy didn't work out.
08:14And now I am with Michael, who doesn't really, he says he supports my reality TV career,
08:19but he doesn't participate.
08:20She doesn't even want to marry him.
08:21Right, exactly.
08:22It's like, I don't think he enjoys the Vicky Gunvalson of it all.
08:27Maybe he enjoys Victoria and who she is when the cameras aren't around.
08:31But I don't think.
08:32On her Excel sheets.
08:33Right.
08:33I just don't think he enjoys this process of filming Housewives, which is going to create
08:37tension in their relationship.
08:38Yeah.
08:38If she wants to continue doing this.
08:40Well, that's what Gina, Gina asked, like, straight up, like, do you want to keep on doing it?
08:43And she didn't really give a solid answer.
08:45Yeah.
08:45Yeah.
08:46Gina did.
08:46She's like, guys, I want to come back.
08:48She's like, unequivocally, yes.
08:50Yeah.
08:51Look at her.
08:52I would like to be doing this.
08:53Her and her tiny backpacks want to come back.
08:54Yeah.
08:54I don't know if Vicky will do it again.
08:57It kind of seems like she's on the fence because I do think that if it is an issue for
09:01Michael,
09:02if it comes to Housewives or love, I think she would choose love.
09:05What is this love?
09:06I don't know.
09:07That's the thing.
09:07I don't know.
09:08You know, that's scary.
09:09Maybe she just thinks it's love.
09:11But again, to your point, she did say out loud, if he proposed tomorrow, she would say
09:16no because she doesn't feel ready to get married.
09:17And she also has said, I don't really want to get married.
09:20So what's the deal?
09:21I wonder, him watching this part one back, what's he going to make up all this?
09:25Not want to get married.
09:26Her kind of thinking about pining over her ex-husband.
09:30Yeah.
09:30Maybe this is a moment for everyone to look inward.
09:33Carmella's like, sweetie, join me on Raya with Shannon.
09:35Yeah.
09:36Keep the party going.
09:37What did make me happy is that it seems like Emily and Shane are in a better place.
09:40Yeah.
09:41They do seem to be in a better place.
09:42I mean, according to Emily.
09:43Yeah.
09:43Like he watched the show and he said sorry and told her that she was a great mom and that,
09:48you know, that's all she needs to hear, she said.
09:50So it does seem like they're in a better place, which makes me happy because they were stressing
09:53me the f*** out, Shane and Emily.
09:54I do like them as a couple.
09:56I want them to work out.
09:56I think they're, they, I just, I need them to work out.
10:00We need it.
10:01We really do.
10:02I can't handle it.
10:02Because we need Gina and Emily both to be happy in their relationships.
10:05And I think Gina genuinely is happy in her relationship with Travis.
10:09It's kind of seems like Gina's good on all fronts.
10:11Yeah.
10:12And I love that for her.
10:13Do you think that's bothering Heather?
10:15Maybe.
10:16Right.
10:16Maybe.
10:17Because maybe Heather enjoys it when Gina's, I don't want to say down bad.
10:22When Gina's hair is kind of like mine before my haircut right now.
10:24I'm like, it's a sticks out and everything like that.
10:26But like every box in Gina's life right now is kind of check.
10:29She's successful.
10:30She's got her own money.
10:31Love life is good.
10:33You know, the kids are good.
10:34She's just doing her thing.
10:36She's buying ski jackets in Japan when she doesn't need to buy them.
10:39That don't zipper.
10:40That will serve her no purpose in California.
10:43But she can do it.
10:45Exactly.
10:46That's like you money.
10:47Yeah.
10:47I love that for Gina.
10:49So good for Gina.
10:50A tourist with you money.
10:50Yeah, you're buying yourself.
10:51And that's a good point.
10:52Does Heather not like it that she's kind of good in every aspect of her life?
10:57Because, you know, Heather, she's she is the queen bee.
11:00She's the richest one on the cast.
11:02Does she feel threatened by Gina gaining more success?
11:04I don't think so.
11:05I don't think so.
11:06Because also like with love to Gina.
11:08No one can reach.
11:08I don't know how many houses you got to sell to get one of the penthouses.
11:12Exactly.
11:13Exactly.
11:13But interesting that she would say to Gina, maybe you're just not successful and secure enough
11:19to be my friend right now.
11:20That's crazy.
11:21When Gina has never been more successful or more secure in her life.
11:27That's the thing.
11:27You know, that's what I do feel like whatever happens with I mean, we have another part to
11:32get through.
11:33So we'll see that.
11:33I do feel like if all these girls come back or if Gina and Heather come back, it's a gloves
11:37off season for them.
11:38Because I think they always do the interesting dance of pissing each other off, but then
11:43like making up really quickly.
11:44And I just, to me, it seems like Gina and Emily are over this rollercoaster ride with
11:50Heather and they're just going to either choose violence or choose to not talk to her.
11:57And as Tamra would say, Vicky, you joined a show of conflict.
12:00Right.
12:01Choose violence.
12:02Right.
12:03Tamra, more often than not.
12:04Well, no, she was a little bit more Zen this season.
12:06I will say.
12:07She was.
12:07Yeah.
12:07She was.
12:08She was more Zen this season.
12:10But when she gets activated, you know, Tamra, we love to see it.
12:12Ooh, Tamra time.
12:15But we're going to maybe see Tamra get activated.
12:17I don't really remember what it was.
12:18Well, she's going to get naked and jump in the pool.
12:20As Brittany would say, get naked.
12:21I got a plan.
12:22Yeah.
12:23So we're excited to see her plan of getting naked and whatever these ladies get into for
12:27part two of the Orange County reunion.
12:29So stay tuned for that.