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El magistrado Danilo Rojas Betancourth, nuevo presidente de la Jurisdicción Especial para la Paz (JEP), habló con El Espectador sobre el momento crítico en el que recibe la dirección de la entidad, por cuenta del recorte del Gobierno a su presupuesto para 2027, las decisiones que ya tomaron para apretar sus gastos y la posibilidad de que su mandato termine en 2028, si el Congreso lo aprueba. Todo esto, de cara al cierre de sus investigaciones y la emisión de sus sentencias.
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00:09The Special Jurisdiction for Peace (JEP) has a new president. He is Magistrate
00:14Danilo Rojas Betancourt, who took office on November 5th amidst one of the
00:20These are more complex times for transitional justice. To understand a little about what
00:24He will be joining us in the next two years, during which he will be at the head of that institution.
00:28Interviews with El Espectador. Magistrate, thank you for being here and welcome.
00:32Thank you Gustavo for the invitation.
00:34Well, magistrate, you are the fifth president of the Special Jurisdiction for Peace, which is in
00:39This moment, largely under the scrutiny of public opinion, has also been...
00:44an institution that has been reflecting on some of the moves it needs to make
00:49for the remainder of your term. What is the current delay you are experiencing?
00:55The most important thing they have identified as attributable to the JEP itself, and that is a task for you.
01:01What should be done in the next two years?
01:04I believe that the JEP's main task for the next two years is to...
01:11partial closures of all activity that the jurisdiction has been carrying out on different fronts.
01:19I wouldn't speak of delays in the strict sense, but rather of processes that have been unfolding.
01:26culminating. So, firstly, the procedure for receiving all the information by
01:35Part of the prosecution's office, thousands of files. Then the process of verifying that information with
01:42Other information provided by the victims, for example, with information provided by the
01:49various public entities and then the start of the interviews and conversations with the
01:59the witnesses themselves and the victims. This was a long, difficult, but very important task for
02:06effects of gradually building what we call the dialogical procedure. And at this point we are already
02:11in a very intense phase of legal production in the strict sense. Then I would divide the
02:20the JEP's process at this point, at those two moments, a moment of information accumulation,
02:27of information analysis, of establishing and stabilizing procedures, because this
02:33It was a completely new procedure, a phase where the most important decisions are already being made.
02:40important. And for example, in this last phase that the JEP is in, in addition to the proceeds
02:48of the convictions symmetrically on one side to members of the force, to some
02:55members of the security forces, but also the high command of the guerrillas, the last secretariat of
03:02the FARC. Having passed, let's say, that phase, the recognition room is currently in
03:08an acceleration phase of the indictments. It is expected that by December 15th, all charges will be filed.
03:15All the charges, all the charges related to the major cases. So that the year
03:21The incoming judge, likewise, after hearing from the defendants, will determine whether or not they accept responsibility.
03:29The judges begin, the trials begin. Trials that will go on for those who do not accept responsibility.
03:36to the adversarial trial, which is a typical trial, let's say, of ordinary criminal justice,
03:42or very similar. And on the other hand, the trials where responsibility is accepted, which will be
03:48These dialogical judgments lead to self-sanction. Agreed. Then,
03:52His commitment during these two years in which he will be at the head of the JEP is to close in
03:56the timeframes involved in the investigation stage and the progress in the sentences that will have to be made
04:00Issue the Peace Tribunal's decision. Exactly, exactly. Move forward with the trial. On the 14th
04:06March 2028 will be the last date that, for example, our prosecutor's office, the unit of
04:14research and analysis to issue the final decision related to a trial. And then,
04:20The following five years, up to 33, will be the time for the purpose of carrying out the
04:25trials. Agreed. You are taking over the presidency of the JEP at a time when the main
04:29The task is to do the math, isn't it? And yesterday, in his inaugural address, he announced the first cuts in
04:35issues of security schemes, personnel and a relocation of the building where it is currently located
04:40How does the JEP work? What was the basis for its creation, besides the discussion within the governing body of the
04:45JEP, to decide to make cuts in those specific areas?
04:50Yes, first of all, let's say that the central foundation, the raison d'être of all this adjustment,
04:57It was the budget decree that brought down the government. The government, as is known, in relation
05:03With the JEP, it mandated a cut of 170 billion pesos. And that necessarily imposed on us
05:10make a very, very sensitive, very severe and, well, very impressive adjustment, I would say, because actually
05:20That's what happened. The governing body, then, knowing that it is necessary to maintain in
05:28In any case, the essential core of the JEP's functioning is the dignification of the victims,
05:35which is to judge and punish those most responsible for the worst crimes and which is to give them security
05:44legal action against all others who were not the most responsible, but who committed the worst crimes, knowing
05:51the need to preserve that essential core. So, we explored what the possibilities were.
05:57to be able to maintain the mission with a much lower budget. And, of course,
06:05The first option that came up was the cost of the building. And then we decided to change the site.
06:14of the JEP's operations. We went from a 15,000 square meter building to a 4,000 square meter building
06:21200 square meters. That is, a huge difference. And that then necessarily forced us to do a
06:29adjustment to the work model. Therefore, we decreed virtuality as a general rule as the form of
06:36work, because there is no other option. And in such a small space for such a large number of
06:42For officials, a rotation of jobs is necessary. So, combining that
06:48With virtual work and job rotation, we believe we can maintain functionality
06:54Essential. That was the first aspect. There we expect to save about 26 billion pesos annually.
07:01The second measure that had to be taken had to do with the protection of the judges, the
07:07Security arrangements for the JEP magistrates. And the security arrangements for the
07:15Appearing parties, who are guerrillas, former FARC guerrillas, and public forces, some third parties,
07:24Victims and witnesses. This is the other group of people who also have protection.
07:31under the JEP. Well, there too we had to make a very significant cut. We are going to reduce
07:38All the security protocols of the judiciary. In fact, the prosecutors of the unit are already in place.
07:46prepared not to reduce, but to hand over the entire security scheme to the Secretariat as well.
07:51Executive. This seems generous to me. But they will also necessarily be reduced, then, for
07:59reducing costs, the security schemes for this very sensitive population in the JEP, which are the
08:04Appearing parties, public forces and former guerrillas, the victims and witnesses, who are very
08:11threatened. That will save us approximately 37 billion pesos a year. But there, yes
08:18We need the government to take responsibility. We're going to formally ask them to.
08:26to the government that, according to current regulations, it is necessary for them to cover all those schemes of
08:33security because it is their responsibility. And then the third aspect where we are going to make a significant reduction for
08:42to adjust to the budget. A significant adjustment is related to service contracts.
08:49services. We are going to reduce the contracting of service provision by 85%. This provision of
08:58services, this special contract there, specifically covered the technical defense, the lawyers who
09:05They need it. We have 17,000 people appearing before the court who will eventually need lawyers. And there's a plant
09:12of no more than 30 lawyers for 17,000. That's why hiring helped a lot to compensate for this. And
09:20it
09:20The same thing happens in the hiring process for psychosocial support services for victims. Because
09:28the victims, in order to accompany them in these processes that lead up to the hearing, where they will be
09:34to find their perpetrators, because they need very strong psychosocial support with some meetings
09:40prior, because otherwise, it's not really possible to attempt that reconciliation. So, there will be
09:46A savings of approximately 85 billion. But there's still a gap. And that's a gap that exists.
09:56that
09:57We can't function without defense attorneys. And that's why we need them, and it's the...
10:03The next step, in the next two or three weeks, is to completely restructure the
10:11entity to try to rearrange many of the positions in such a way that we can fill part of the gap
10:20which results from the lack of hiring. Those are, let's say, the major measures that have been taken at this time.
10:25On the subject of protection schemes, especially for those appearing before the court, victims, and
10:30Third parties, what will happen then if the National Government does not grant that request?
10:36Does it have jurisdiction to assume the protection of these people?
10:40They are exposed. And I do hope, expect, and ask the Government to assume that responsibility.
10:49These, especially the witnesses, the victims, many of whom face serious threats of very high risk
10:59High. And I think we'll be able to maintain those schemes, I think from now until March of
11:06year
11:06incoming. And at this stage, I believe it is necessary to enter into a dialogue with the UNP, which is
11:15the
11:15responsible for the safety of this population. And I truly hope the government understands that,
11:24in the same way that we have made a very important sacrifice in relation to the adjustment
11:30budgetary, that there is also an analysis, an update of those risk studies.
11:41so that they assume the responsibility that corresponds to them in relation to each of these appearing parties and
11:47victims and witnesses that we are currently in charge of.
11:50Agreed. Regarding the closure of the territorial offices, magistrate, we know that the victims of the JEP,
11:55Many are in remote locations, and given the prevalence of virtual connections, it's difficult for them to get online.
12:01to virtual proceedings or those who access justice services through virtual means.
12:06So what will happen then to those people's access to the JEP's services and processes?
12:12Besides, they have many of them in the JEP, if they're not going to have those territorial offices which are a
12:16support?
12:17That's right. We're going to try to take two measures, and we're doing the explorations related to that point.
12:25The first option is to regionalize the offices. That's one way to consolidate them and reduce costs.
12:36And the other is to ask for help, literally ask for help from all regional public entities.
12:45I'm talking about mayoral offices, governorships, prosecutor's offices in the regions, and ombudsman's offices in the regions.
12:55and even public entities that may have spaces where the JEP can operate.
13:01Because, let's say, at this moment rents are being paid in many parts of the country in order to operate regionally.
13:09Of course. Yes, because leaving, let's say, in those places, in the regions where the victims might go,
13:14which are, in a way, at the heart of the peace agreement and the core of the JEP's work,
13:18I wouldn't be entirely unaware of that, would I? That they're at the center, don't you think?
13:22Agreed. And that is the central criterion we have established in the governing body.
13:29that all this budgetary adjustment that is made will particularly preserve the essence of the JEP,
13:35The essential core of the JEP. And the heart of that essential core is the victims.
13:40We will do everything possible to ensure that victims can continue to exercise their full participation.
13:48in all procedures at the JEP. We will make all possible adjustments in other areas.
13:56In others, like the ones I've told you about, precisely to try to safeguard, as much as possible,
14:01the heart of the JEP's mission, which is the dignification of the victims.
14:06And at that point I would like to point out that, notwithstanding the compliance we are making
14:13in the JEP on the occasion of the government's decree to reduce the budget in general,
14:21Nevertheless, I will begin as president of the JEP.
14:26All actions, starting in January of next year, all possible actions
14:32so that the government, Congress, and all relevant institutional and political actors
14:39Understand the moment the JEP finds itself in to try to restore a balanced budget.
14:45The country is in a fiscal crisis and we are contributing to it, let that be very clear.
14:51We at the JEP, in addition to this regulatory mandate, are convinced that we must contribute
14:58With this fiscal crisis, as they are doing, all public entities will continue to do.
15:03But we are also at a critical and special moment for the JEP in terms of productivity,
15:08where budgetary support and political support are needed,
15:13And I will continue managing to maintain the balance going forward.
15:19Rebalance the JEP's budget again because at this moment it is very unbalanced.
15:23OK.
15:24Right at that point, magistrate, it is necessary to explain that compliance with the sanctions
15:29It's the responsibility of the national government, isn't it?
15:31The funding for that fulfillment, but we saw what happened with the budget this year,
15:36The discussions have also taken place in some sectors of Congress
15:38on the cost of the JEP.
15:40How then can the resources to implement the sanctions be secured?
15:44that they will now start to be released much more quickly by the Special Jurisdiction for Peace?
15:49Well, I have some very good news and I take this opportunity to express my sincere gratitude to Minister Cancino.
15:59Minister Cancino has convened the body in charge of coordination
16:05from all ministries concerned with these issues of their own sanctions.
16:10But not only the ministries, but also the institutions that depend on the presidency of the Republic,
16:16the ARN, the UARIF, etc., so that a meeting can be held next week,
16:22the 12th of this month, and take a look around.
16:27This is the first meeting we will have on this issue with the national government.
16:31I'm very excited about it and we're going to be paying close attention.
16:34And I'm sure that a program will come out of that meeting.
16:40for the purpose of ensuring compliance with the corresponding sanctions.
16:45Regarding that issue, one of the impossible conversations for Judge Alejandro Ramelli,
16:50who handed over the presidency to you yesterday,
16:52Well, it was precisely the conversation with President Abelardo de la Espriella.
16:55I would like to ask you, magistrate, what would you say to the head of state?
17:00If I had the opportunity to sit down and talk with him
17:03to try to open that path of dialogue between the government and the JEP?
17:07I would tell President de la Espriella that on this issue of peace and security,
17:15It is good to distinguish three scenarios.
17:18First, the scenario of the peace process that culminated in the peace agreement in 2016,
17:25the scenario of total peace that was President Petro's policy
17:30and the setting for its security and peace policy,
17:34which is closer to the themes of subjugation.
17:38And I believe that if the government, as it has shown so far,
17:44It advances with the themes of submission,
17:47The law presented by the government with Minister Cancino on submission has just been approved.
17:55And I believe that will be the heart of the work of President de la Espriella's government.
18:02And I would ask that, given the government's current focus on that policy,
18:10We can more easily focus on the peace policy that culminated in the peace agreement.
18:17And if we maintain, let's say, that division of tasks, so to speak,
18:23We are going to have a much more globalized peace.
18:29I believe it is important for the general public to know that when we talk about peace processes
18:39and it somewhat burdens the image of the peace issue solely within the JEP,
18:46It is therefore pertinent to make that analytical distinction.
18:49And if everyone is in the competition that corresponds to them,
18:53I think it will be much more beneficial for both of us.
18:55What if the president agrees to sit down and talk with you?
18:59But it sets, for example, as a condition supporting the early closure of the JEP,
19:03That's one of the projects currently underway, what would you do?
19:06The problem is that the early closure project carries a constitutional risk
19:14which I hope Congress will take into consideration in the debates that follow.
19:19And that's because when the winners of the NO vote, the Democratic Center led by President Uribe
19:28And thanks to then-Senator Iván Duque, they managed to get the constitutional reform passed,
19:37In addition to the fact that the NO vote won, and on the occasion of having won the NO vote,
19:41They succeeded in passing the constitutional reform that established the final peace agreement
19:46It was an IHL agreement, a special IHL agreement, that's why it was deposited in Switzerland.
19:54which was part of the constitutional bloc.
19:58Well, that was repealed at the behest of the Democratic Center.
20:03That was a meticulous, rigorous, and successful job by President Uribe.
20:11and from President Duque at the time.
20:13And they succeeded in ensuring that the peace agreement did not have that connotation.
20:17but what remained and is currently in effect,
20:20that the peace agreement is a parameter of interpretation and a reference point of normative validity.
20:28That is in legislative act 2 of 17.
20:32And that rule, which they sponsored, is the key to understanding
20:38Why the constitutional reforms related to the peace agreement
20:44They must be consistent with the peace agreement,
20:47because it is a normative reference of validity.
20:51And if in the peace agreement what is established as a normative reference of validity
20:56The JEP lasts 15 years, and that was also stated in a constitutional provision.
21:02And the Court endorsed that, and endorsed that it is a benchmark,
21:06the agreement, a parameter of constitutionality and a benchmark of validity,
21:10Well, we find that what this project is saying is one thing.
21:14of constitutional reform that speaks of 10 years,
21:17of what the agreement says, which speaks of 15 years.
21:21That's what I think needs to be clarified.
21:23In other words, if that were a condition for sitting down,
21:27definitely speak with the president,
21:29then you would not agree to have that conversation.
21:33No, what I would say is that, more than with the president,
21:37because the president is not presenting this project,
21:40but the congressmen, Senator Gómez.
21:44What I would say is that the congressmen should review that point.
21:50that specific point, which I believe upon reviewing it
21:53There you can find a more suitable solution.
21:56What happens in 2018 is that the main function does end.
22:03that our prosecutor's office has.
22:04As I was saying, the prosecution has until March 14, 2028
22:09to present the final accusation.
22:11And there you have it, there can be no accusations.
22:13The period of that function for the OIA is coming to an end.
22:18But the period...
22:19And from there the trial period begins.
22:24So I think the government
22:27who has people knowledgeable about the agreement,
22:32as Minister Cancino himself
22:34and many other knowledgeable people,
22:39The president himself knows him to be a lawyer.
22:42and has been close, let's say,
22:44to all these political events.
22:48I think it's a matter of taking a break,
22:50check again.
22:51And I would return to the same point as before,
22:54to let the JEP handle it
22:58on the issue of justice that has already been agreed upon.
23:00And that gives it a lot of weight, let's say.
23:03to give credibility to any government.
23:05It gives confidence to all citizens.
23:08Let someone take care of that
23:09It is questioned a lot.
23:11It is questioned a lot.
23:13But that was what was agreed.
23:15There may be a different agreement here.
23:18Then it may be that each one, let's say,
23:20apply in a concentrated form
23:23to political exercise
23:25and to public policy
23:27that you consider to be the appropriate one
23:28for a specific historical moment in the country.
23:30OK.
23:31So what will their strategy be?
23:33So that's what he's explaining to us here
23:35for the viewer's audience
23:36Can this open a dialogue with Congress?
23:39What will their strategy be?
23:40in order to be able to dialogue with the congressmen
23:42and gain support on their side
23:43against that initiative
23:45to prematurely end the JEP?
23:46Well, first of all, participate in the debate
23:50The JEP has already been invited
23:52to one of the scheduled hearings
23:55in this debate
23:56to explain precisely this.
23:58And I believe that Congress has
24:00training, ability, and common sense
24:03to look at the political moment
24:07and to look at the legal implications of this.
24:10This could even move forward
24:12and surely leave him
24:15that the Court develop its competence
24:18in relation to constitutionality or not.
24:20But I think it's worth it
24:22not to let all that progress,
24:23but to chat a little
24:25What is happening?
24:26currently with the JEP.
24:28At that time with the JEP
24:29We are reaching the climax of the performance.
24:33And at the climax of the performance
24:35It doesn't seem relevant,
24:36It doesn't seem necessary.
24:38It doesn't seem politically strategic.
24:42to cut the term short,
24:43if, for the sake of discussion, it could be done.
24:46And I am sure that Congress
24:47He's going to listen to those reasons.
24:50to try to look
24:53other types of reforms
24:54that the JEP might need
24:56on the occasion of the termination
24:59of the role of the prosecutor's office,
25:02our prosecutor's office,
25:03but not from the JEP in total.
25:04OK.
25:05Criticisms of the JEP
25:07recently,
25:08Well,
25:08The usual criticisms of the JEP
25:10or from the last year to the JEP
25:11have been in general
25:12focused on an argument
25:13which has been very costly
25:15and has produced few results.
25:16Magistrate Ramelli
25:17He defended a lot
25:18the JEP's position
25:19from the presidency,
25:21For example,
25:21exposing the numbers
25:22of the results of judgments
25:24and decisions with the force of a court ruling.
25:26What is your response?
25:27about the scope
25:28and the real impact
25:29of the work of the JEP
25:30beyond those figures
25:31that public opinion already
25:33Does he know very well?
25:34I think it's very important
25:36what he mentioned
25:37President Ramelli
25:39in relation to the data
25:42quantitative,
25:44But I would also highlight
25:46that he did it at the time
25:48a qualitative result
25:50which is more difficult to measure.
25:52Let's say,
25:53I would say that the special jurisdiction
25:55for peace
25:56should not be measured
25:58with the same standards
25:59measurement
26:00of ordinary justice
26:01which are usually standards
26:03measurement
26:03more quantitative.
26:05How much is invested?
26:06in ordinary justice
26:08and how much produced
26:09annual report of judgments
26:11Do they exist?
26:12How many entered?
26:13How many came out?
26:14Etc.
26:15Which is usually
26:16a relevant criterion
26:18of measurement.
26:19But here
26:20That should also be done,
26:21of course.
26:22But I think that
26:23the qualitative criterion
26:24measurement
26:25It's different.
26:26and here
26:27the qualitative
26:30that we have
26:31It seems to me
26:33which is particularly
26:34important
26:35not only
26:37in legal terms,
26:39but in terms
26:40cultural
26:42and in terms
26:42of reconciliation.
26:44When
26:46when it is achieved
26:48that there is
26:50a meeting
26:51between a person
26:53that suffered damage
26:54and who caused it
26:56and that on occasion
26:58from that meeting
26:59there is a
27:00an acknowledgment
27:02mutual
27:02as people
27:05that in that
27:06recognition
27:07mutual
27:07a person
27:08this
27:10do an act
27:11generous
27:12of
27:13to forgive
27:15and the other person
27:16do an act
27:18also generous
27:19to recognize
27:20responsibility
27:22and ask for forgiveness
27:23and finally
27:24to achieve reconciliation
27:26That's a process.
27:29truly valuable
27:30for people
27:31same,
27:32for society
27:33same,
27:33for culture
27:34same.
27:35When it is said
27:36that the appearing
27:37in the JEP
27:38They admit responsibility
27:40That seems to be the case
27:41that he was not given
27:42the connotation
27:45that it really has
27:46And that's because
27:48admit responsibility
27:49It's not easy at all.
27:50Let's examine
27:51our behaviors
27:52usual,
27:53the most trivial
27:55where
27:56one admits
27:57For example
27:58that went too far
27:59a traffic light
28:00in yellow
28:02It's not easy.
28:03Any recognition
28:04responsibility
28:05about behavior
28:07moral
28:07that a person
28:08may have
28:08It's not easy.
28:09to recognize.
28:11When it comes
28:11of responsibility
28:13in relation
28:13with damage
28:15so serious
28:15like the serious ones
28:17violations
28:18to human rights
28:19and violations
28:19severe HIV
28:20that recognition
28:22responsibility
28:23For example
28:23that they have done
28:23the military
28:24is really
28:26valiant
28:28brave
28:29as it is equally
28:31valiant
28:31and brave
28:32the act
28:34very generous
28:35of the victims
28:36to forgive.
28:38It is an act
28:39of love
28:39really
28:40approaching
28:41a lot
28:42to tradition
28:43Christian
28:44and to tradition
28:45Catholic
28:45which is not
28:48easy
28:49but I think
28:50that a country
28:52like Colombia
28:52with a high
28:53Christian tradition
28:54and Catholic
28:55ought
28:57review
28:58and accept
28:58that apologizing
29:00accept
29:00responsibility
29:02It is an act
29:03of love
29:03finally
29:04for which it is worth
29:05the struggle is worth it.
29:06So I think
29:06that's one
29:07of the results
29:08we are
29:09giving
29:10the keys
29:11the tools
29:12so that we can think
29:14in which there are ways
29:14of justice
29:15truly curators
29:17and interesting
29:18beyond
29:19from prison
29:19same.
29:19OK
29:20all the presidents
29:21of the JEPA
29:22have been
29:23of the Court
29:23for Peace
29:24you come
29:24of the section
29:25appeals
29:26the magistrate
29:27Alejandro Ramelli
29:28also from the section
29:29of absence
29:30recognition
29:30but it had a
29:31mobility
29:32in the room
29:32recognition
29:34that allowed him
29:35as an approach
29:36special
29:36with the victims
29:37and with the territories
29:39and with the regions
29:39in addition to its functions
29:41as president
29:41of the JEP
29:42Don't you think so?
29:43that leaves him
29:44The bar is set high
29:45to the president
29:46Ramelli
29:46in the matter
29:47nearby
29:47with the victims
29:48in the territories?
29:49Not only
29:50in that
29:50President Ramelli
29:51is a person
29:52with a capacity
29:53work
29:55overwhelming
29:56I have expressed it to him
29:57in private
29:58and also publicly
30:00which I don't think
30:01that has
30:02the gift
30:03of ubiquity
30:04that the president
30:04Ramelli
30:05has
30:05because he is
30:06everywhere
30:07at all times
30:08I think that
30:09I don't have enough
30:10so much energy
30:12so
30:13the work
30:14of the president
30:15Ramelli
30:15It really was
30:17awesome
30:18comprehensive
30:19and of great proximity
30:21with the victims
30:22indeed
30:23what happens
30:24I'm coming
30:25also working
30:25with organizations
30:27of victims
30:28of long standing
30:29it's not
30:30on paper
30:31appellate
30:32It's not there
30:33in their functions
30:34to make the immediacy
30:36of tests
30:37and approaches
30:38That's why then
30:39from appeal
30:40we look
30:41in a second instance
30:42everything that's happening
30:43in the first instance
30:44But of course
30:45now
30:46on occasion
30:47of this function
30:48it is necessary
30:49that the president
30:50of the jurisdiction
30:51How did it happen
30:52with all the presidents
30:53previous
30:53have an approach
30:55much older
30:55And I hope
30:56so
30:58keep
30:58maintain that closeness
30:59maintain that
31:03harvest
31:04both of the president
31:04Ramelli
31:05as of the three
31:06previous presidents
31:07in that relationship
31:08with the victims
31:09What can I tell them, magistrate?
31:10to the victims
31:11who have been together for eight years
31:12with hope
31:13of justice
31:13And really
31:14placed in the JEP
31:15and that they feel
31:16sometimes
31:17those expectations
31:19They are not fulfilled
31:20full
31:20as happened
31:21For example
31:21with the recent decision
31:23against the colonel
31:24retired
31:25Juan Carlos Figueroa
31:27the victims
31:28may be
31:29absolutely
31:30safe
31:31and calm
31:32that while
31:33exist
31:34a judge
31:35in the JEP
31:36will assert
31:37dignity
31:38will assert
31:39your effort
31:41will assert
31:42your claim
31:43permanent
31:44as I said
31:45at the beginning
31:45from the conversation
31:46Gustavo
31:47we are
31:49doing
31:49everything that exists
31:50to do
31:51in budgetary matters
31:53on occasion
31:53of this
31:54adjustment
31:54that is imposed upon us
31:55but safeguarding
31:57always the heart
31:58of the mission
31:59of the JEP
31:59where
32:01the center
32:02of that heart
32:03also
32:04is
32:05the victim
32:06dignified
32:07and that
32:08we will continue to bet on it
32:09permanently
32:10and to those appearing
32:11whose legal certainty
32:13could have been affected
32:14through initiatives
32:15like the term
32:16in 2028
32:17of the JEP
32:18What can I tell them?
32:19magistrate
32:19all the military
32:20which is the majority
32:21of those appearing
32:22that we have
32:22in the procedure
32:24non-punitive
32:25may be
32:26absolutely
32:26calm
32:27all the guerrillas
32:29ex-guerrillas
32:30of chance
32:30and all third parties
32:31that are in that
32:32procedure
32:33where there is nearby
32:34of 9,000 people appearing
32:36have absolute
32:37certainty
32:37that the JEP
32:38will
32:39what is due to him
32:40do over
32:41of everything
32:42To finish up
32:43magistrate
32:43He is worried
32:45the trial
32:45of history
32:46about the work
32:47that he does
32:47at the front
32:48of the JEP
32:50I'm not worried.
32:51on the contrary
32:51I like
32:52that it is now possible
32:53thinking about a trial
32:55about the legacy
32:57of the JEP
32:57I think that
32:59the JEP
33:00Stop and start
33:01to leave a legacy
33:03what does that have to do with it
33:04first of all
33:05with reconciliation
33:07we believe
33:08have
33:08the keys
33:10of reconciliation
33:11of the irreconcilable
33:12again
33:13I say again
33:14that they can
33:14finally
33:15beyond
33:16of the sanctions
33:17to be at ease
33:19both the victim
33:20as the perpetrator
33:21regard
33:22of damage
33:23enormous
33:24I think that
33:25That's it.
33:26That's the role
33:26in essence
33:27of the law
33:28try to reconcile
33:30which
33:31by other means
33:34less
33:36less
33:37plausible
33:38so to speak
33:38in the best way
33:39more violent
33:40it is not achieved
33:41I do like it
33:43that they are
33:43making that judgment
33:44permanently
33:45because I believe
33:46that
33:47with those
33:48observations
33:49reviews
33:50that we
33:52we assume
33:52without vanity
33:54we're going to be
33:55improving
33:55And I do hope so.
33:56that trial
33:57And I am sure
33:58which will be
33:58a favorable judgment
33:59for the JEP
34:00during his speech
34:01of possession
34:02To finish up
34:03He also spoke
34:03of a million
34:04of friends
34:05that they are looking for
34:05for the JEP
34:06What does that mean?
34:07What is it about?
34:08that strategy
34:09magistrate
34:10It's an invitation
34:11fundamentally
34:12that indeed
34:13join us
34:15one million
34:16of friends
34:18that they help us
34:19to do
34:20and that they help us
34:21to be disclosed
34:22what we are doing
34:23that they help us
34:24to do
34:24with their criticisms
34:25with their observations
34:27which have always been useful
34:28for the jurisdiction
34:29special
34:30for peace
34:30but especially
34:31that they help us
34:32And this is very much aimed at
34:34to the young
34:34that they help us
34:36to be disclosed
34:36what he's doing
34:38the JEP
34:38not what is not
34:39doing the JEP
34:40It is very important
34:41that it is known
34:42that the JEP
34:43he's betting on it
34:44to peace
34:45that the JEP
34:46he's betting on it
34:47to dignity
34:48of the victims
34:49That's a million
34:50of friends
34:50that we need
34:51that helps us
34:52to publicize
34:53what we are doing
34:54is the magistrate
34:55Danilo Rojas Betancourt
34:56the new president
34:57of the jurisdiction
34:58special for peace
34:59who will be in charge
35:00of the JEP
35:00during the next
35:01two years
35:02magistrate
35:02Thank you for joining us
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35:05To you, Gustavo
35:05thank you for the invitation
35:06thank you so much
35:07Thank you very much as well.
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