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Another trip to the IR for Lamar Jackson in Baltimore has led to speculation that Baltimore may be looking to move on from the former MVP. Making the case for and against the Dolphins going after Lamar.
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00:00There is speculation that the Ravens, you know, with Lamar Jackson getting injured, that the Ravens may be looking to
00:11trade him.
00:12Someone may want to buy low.
00:15Dolphin Stephen Ross has always had interest.
00:18David Fironis had tweeted out a lot of speculation on Lamar Jackson's future with the Ravens.
00:24Would you want to make him a Dolphin in the offseason?
00:28It's a fascinating question.
00:30Good question.
00:32You think he's entering this state?
00:34He seems to be oft injured to me.
00:36When he's healthy, though, he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
00:40So I'm curious if you're John Eric Sullivan, do you say to yourself, I can kind of knock down two
00:51birds with one stone.
00:53I can trade for Lamar Jackson.
00:55We've got draft capital.
00:56I can trade for Lamar Jackson.
00:58We can also shore up some areas of need that we have.
01:01It would be an interesting discussion to have at least.
01:05Surface level, you scream yes.
01:08Then you start really breaking it down.
01:11Are you buying a former MVP that has no chance of being that again because of injury?
01:17But it's not all the same.
01:18It was like his finger.
01:19That's a fluke one.
01:21This one just happened like his hand came down.
01:23That can happen to anyone.
01:24And he was coming back from the injury.
01:26Man, that's a good question.
01:28It's a hell of a cap hit, though.
01:30But it's Lamar Jackson.
01:32What's he making?
01:3350-something million a year?
01:35Yeah.
01:35And he'll probably be due for a new extension coming up shortly.
01:38I think that's the big question here.
01:40You talk about rebuilding.
01:42You talk about resetting the cap.
01:44And you potentially end up in the same place you were in a couple years ago with a quarterback
01:48that's making a boatload of money who's not readily available every single week.
01:54I do it, though.
01:55I roll the dice.
01:56You would.
01:56The Dolphins have not had an MVP caliber player in their backfield, or under center, rather,
02:04since Dan Marino.
02:05Period.
02:06End of story.
02:07You immediately do.
02:08And all you need him to do is be healthy for one season.
02:12That's it.
02:12One season.
02:13Give you that opportunity.
02:14Tell me right now.
02:15You add Lamar Jackson.
02:17Yes, all the injury concerns.
02:18I'm with you.
02:19I hear it.
02:19I'm not downplaying them.
02:21Eight injuries since 2021 that have kept him off the field at one point or another.
02:26That's way too many.
02:27But you add Lamar Jackson, and he can stay healthy.
02:31You're going to end that playoff streak.
02:33I do it.
02:34Sign me up.
02:35Yeah.
02:38Dante Culpepper was real good with the Vikings.
02:42That's just, and I don't know if that's PTSD from it, but I don't think Lamar Jackson's
02:46there.
02:46You know what?
02:46Like I said, Solana, my initial thought was exactly what you said.
02:50Hell yeah.
02:51Give him 100 million a year.
02:52It doesn't matter.
02:53It's Lamar Jackson.
02:53But do I need Lamar Jackson as an encouraged raw guy on the sideline, or do I want him rushing
03:01for 800 and passing for 4,000?
03:02I'd rather the latter.
03:03How old is he?
03:04How old is he?
03:06I don't think he's that old, man.
03:08No, he came, he was young when he got into the league.
03:10He can't be 30.
03:12Late 20s.
03:1329 years old.
03:14Yeah.
03:14Wow.
03:15That really makes you think.
03:17Like, you're telling me.
03:18And again, my guess is they're going to have to move on from him, right?
03:22I mean, they're on a hamster wheel.
03:25And I think this season, like, it's got to be their wake-up call again.
03:30Doesn't mean that he's not got a lot of great years ahead of him in the NFL, but sometimes
03:34guys wear out their welcome at a particular stop and need to be somewhere else in order
03:41to, you know, succeed at the next level.
03:45And I just feel like they got to be done with him.
03:48No?
03:48No, but with the money thing, if you get, if you have, just a lot of point, you have
03:52an all-star MVP caliber quarterback, you're going to give him that money.
03:56Let's say we draft, who the hell is it?
03:58Sayan or Mensah.
03:59We'll say Mensah.
04:00We draft Mensah and he becomes the next Josh Allen.
04:04You're going to have to pay him 50 million.
04:06So take that out.
04:07Is Lamar the piece that needs to move on or you need to move with other pieces?
04:11If I'm a Raven.
04:13But how long has he been doing it with the Ravens and they've been unable, again, he's been
04:18an MVP, but they, like, what, what more could you do if you're the Ravens?
04:22You've got Derrick Henry.
04:23What more could you do?
04:25Huck, solidify this.
04:26Two-time MVP.
04:28Huck, do something with the secondary, get another linebacker.
04:32Like, if you're, if you're doing asset liability management, Lamar Jackson's nowhere close to
04:37a liability.
04:38He's a two-time MVP.
04:43It's a three-o-fair.
04:44Dolly.
04:45Dolly.
04:45Dolly.
04:46Have a bless.
04:47Dolly.
04:50Dolly.
04:51Thank you, Bed Bug.
04:52You're welcome.
04:53Three-o-five, sponsored by Miami Lakes Chevrolet, where you walk in as a customer and drive out
04:58as family.
05:00I know what the reaction is going to be from a large part of this Dolphins fan base.
05:04Hell no.
05:05There's no way you can bring in, you know, another injured quarterback.
05:09I'm not saying they're wrong, by the way, but the Dolphins should have drafted Lamar
05:14Jackson.
05:14We know Steven Ross wanted him.
05:16Then, Lamar Jackson was available a couple years ago.
05:19We were having these exact same conversations.
05:21You do anything you can when it seemed like Lamar and the Ravens were on the outs because
05:25of the contract situation, and people were saying, no, he's too injured, he's too injured.
05:29What'd he do after that?
05:30Got to an AFC title game, and has only not gotten to the Super Bowl because he lost to
05:35Patrick Mahomes.
05:36How many quarterbacks have beaten Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs?
05:39And because Mark Andrews dropped a touchdown in the end zone.
05:43One.
05:43Joe Burrow.
05:44That's the only quarterback to be Patrick Mahomes to go to a Super Bowl.
05:48The question, though, is not what will Dolphins fans say.
05:51What would Ravens fans say at this point?
05:56Because don't you think they're saying at this point, man, we're going to do this again?
06:01We're going to do it again.
06:04Yeah.
06:05No, Hawk.
06:05I think I talked myself into it arguing, like, what you're asking.
06:09If I'm a Ravens fan, am I tired of having Lamar Jackson in my backfield?
06:14Am I frustrated with going to the playoffs every single year and not winning?
06:19He's not the problem.
06:21If I'm a Ravens fan, Lamar Jackson is not the problem, though, but you're frustrated that
06:26you're not winning a Super Bowl with Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry.
06:30And Lamar's the problem?
06:32No.
06:33But you just, there's like, you got to do something.
06:36Do something else.
06:38Now I talk about, yes, trade, but I want Lamar Jackson.
06:42I'm with Solano.
06:43Hawk, you have one of the best quarterbacks in the world.
06:47Not maybe proven.
06:48If he's healthy, he is the top five quarterback in the world.
06:51And you can have him on your team.
06:52You go get him.
06:53We'll figure this out on the back end.
06:55Not just that.
06:56Look at your division.
06:57Josh Allen, Drake May.
06:59I'm not putting Drake May in that conversation, but I think we got a pretty good idea.
07:02This is going to be good for a long time.
07:04And the Jets, as it stands today, have three first round picks in the top 10 next year.
07:13At some point, yeah, the Jets will jet.
07:15At some point, their organization is going to be in a better situation as well.
07:20And what if they hit on a quarterback?
07:21You have the possibility of grabbing one of four dudes in the NFL who can go toe-to-toe with
07:28Patrick Mahomes and with Josh Allen.
07:31One of four dudes in Lamar Jackson.
07:33No matter the price.
07:34No matter the price.
07:35In my opinion, you go get him.
07:36And if he can only stay healthy one of the next three seasons, that's all you need.
07:41That's it.
07:41That's all you need.
07:42Man, people say that now.
07:44To say lose his mobility, Lamar can sling it, too.
07:47He's going to lose a step.
07:49Let's say when he hits 32.
07:50To your point, three years, he loses a step.
07:52Lamar still can throw the ball.
07:53He's not shoulder issues, wrist issues.
07:56If he does, he hurts his leg.
07:57You know, his knee.
07:58What was his ankle?
07:59Whatever he missed last year with.
08:00How many times did you say he's been injured, Solana?
08:02Eight times.
08:04But some were like one game, though, Hawk.
08:06Like, it wasn't like, you know, being knocked out for a month.
08:09It was a game here or there.
08:12All right.
08:13Let's do headless.
08:15This text is, I can't say they're wrong.
08:18Solana, no.
08:19Did we learn nothing from Chris Greer's strategy?
08:22Oh, they'll be healthy in Miami.
08:24No.
08:24Injury prone is injury prone.
08:25They're right.
08:26I don't disagree with that logic.
08:28I'm not telling you I'm right, you're wrong.
08:30I'm just saying I'm willing to risk it for a certain number of dudes in the league.
08:34To me, Lamar Jackson's in that conversation.
08:37Josh Allen is in that conversation.
08:39Joe Burrow is in that conversation.
08:41Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes.
08:43Those are the four best quarterbacks in the NFL.
08:45Period.
08:46End of story.
08:47And if you can get one of those four in his prime at 29, you do it.
08:53No matter what you need to give up, you do it.
08:55That's the last six years, Hawk.
09:002022, 12 games, 16, 17, 13, and this year was five.
09:05He's not missing full seasons.
09:07He's getting knocked out for three, four games here and there.
09:10If he does become available, you will see a feeding frenzy unlike you've ever seen in
09:16the NFL because quarterbacks like him do not become available.
09:21And why don't we want to be a part of the feeding frenzy?
09:23Not y'all, but like even that texter.
09:24I'm just asking, yeah.
09:26Even that texter, what are you talking about?
09:28Everybody wants a person and now you're going to be high class?
09:31Oh, no.
09:32We know what injured looks like.
09:34Come on, man.
09:35Well, the question, though, is would you rather have a great 22-year-old quarterback on the cheap
09:40or would you rather have a great 30-year-old quarterback who's a boatload of your salary cap?
09:46The word in there is great.
09:50I know Lamar's great.
09:51I don't know Mince is great.
09:53I don't know Arch is great.
09:54I don't know Sayan's great.
09:55Dante Moore is great.
09:56There's a lot of potential great out there.
09:58I have a guaranteed MVP commodity in Lamar Jackson, and he's from South Florida.
10:05Yeah, you're just assuming, like a lot of people are just assuming,
10:09the Dolphins will have a top-five pick, which it seems they're going to,
10:13and that one of these quarterbacks are going to be great.
10:16You don't know.
10:17You just have no idea.
10:18Oh, I understand it.
10:19I understand it.
10:20But that is the crux of the question is,
10:25do you think a great quarterback is going to be available?
10:28Because if you do and you get him on the cheap, obviously, at the beginning,
10:32and then you're able to build around him,
10:35that's obviously preferred over having an older, by 10 years maybe,
10:41quarterback who does have eight injuries,
10:43who's going to eat up a ton of your salary cap.
10:47So the question, the crux of it is,
10:50do you think you can get that kind of skill set?
10:53Because it might be out there.
10:55It might not.
10:56But it might be out there.
10:57And if you can get it, you're 1,000 times better off for the future.
11:02The last two years, who is it?
11:04Cam Ward and Fernando Mendoza.
11:07So if you get one of those, let's say either one.
11:09You want Cam Ward, young, cheap, Fernando Mendoza, young, cheap,
11:13or Lamar Jackson.
11:14If those are your options, which way are you going?
11:16Right.
11:17Well, knowing what I know through Cam Ward's first two seasons,
11:20I'd go with Lamar.
11:21Although back, if you had asked me that if Cam was coming out now
11:26after the season he had at UM, I may have said Cam Ward.
11:30That's the thing.
11:31There's too many questions.
11:32There's no questions on that fellow in D.C.
11:34Well, there is, though.
11:35There's money and there's wear and tear.
11:37There are questions.
11:38Yeah.
11:39Now take the – I don't know what is it.
11:41Did you look it up?
11:41I know it's over 50 million.
11:43Oh, yeah.
11:44And he's due for another extension, too.
11:45He'll get another extension this option somewhere.
11:48If you didn't have a problem with them paying Tua,
11:50you better not have a problem with them paying Lamar Jackson
11:54triple what they paid Tua.
11:56But that's where the problem stems from, Crowder.
11:59People have PTSD with Tua.
12:01And I'm telling you, I hear you.
12:04But Lamar's on another level.
12:06Like, this is potentially one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play.
12:11And, yeah, he hasn't won a Super Bowl.
12:12I get that.
12:13And, yeah, he has injury concerns.
12:14I get that.
12:15But look at – like, the other option is hope you get lucky in the draft.
12:20Look at the last six quarterbacks to win a Super Bowl.
12:23Sam Darnold, he was a third overall pick several years ago,
12:26but that didn't work out for the New York Jets.
12:27He had to go other places and finally work out.
12:30But he's not, like, a game-changer at the quarterback position.
12:35Jalen Hurts wasn't a top-five pick.
12:37Patrick Mahomes wasn't a top-two, three, four selection.
12:41Matthew Stafford, sure, but it didn't work out in Detroit.
12:44Tom Brady, we all know the story there.
12:46Patrick Mahomes in 2019.
12:47Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tom Brady.
12:50Like, name me the team that has tanked, got the quarterback,
12:55and won a Super Bowl.
12:56The closest one are the Cincinnati Bengals with Joe Burrow,
13:00who got there and lost.
13:01I mean, you're rewriting the plan right now.
13:04The plan was, hey, we got to get rid of Tua,
13:08no matter how much money we have to eat,
13:11because then we'll be able to draft a quarterback in an upcoming –
13:15you're literally rewriting the entire plan and saying the plan was faulty.
13:21The plan was not faulty.
13:23The plan was not get rid of Tua so you can go draft another quarterback.
13:28The plan was –
13:29It was kind of the plan.
13:30Get rid of Tua, who you knew was damaged goods
13:33and you paid way too much money for.
13:35Get rid of the stink around that entire regime
13:37and rebuild this roster to compete.
13:40And maybe one fork in the road was, yeah, just draft a quarterback
13:45and hope that's your guy if you end up with a top-five pick.
13:47The other is go find another quarterback.
13:50They did that with Malik Willis.
13:52I think we all agree Malik Willis is not a Super Bowl-caliber quarterback.
13:55Lamar Jackson is.
13:57Go get Lamar.
13:59I would say you're changing plans because it was –
14:02the first responsibility of Sully was to fix the money.
14:07Get the money right.
14:08We can't work off, you know, $0.50 on the dollar.
14:10Get the money right.
14:11No one thought Lamar Jackson would be available.
14:13So I guess the default would be that now you draft a young guy early.
14:17But plans got to change, Hawk, to answer your question.
14:20You got Lamar on the team.
14:21You date Lisa and Sidney comes up?
14:24Hell, Sidney smiling.
14:26Let me go holler at Sidney.
14:27Yeah, I don't disagree with it.
14:29And I was, you know, again, I was down with getting Dua
14:31for the money that they spent.
14:33So I don't disagree with it.
14:35I just know the pushback that you're going to get from Dolphins fans
14:38because they're going to feel like they're entering this bizarro world of,
14:44oh, we're going to do it again with an injured quarterback, huh?
14:47Like the argument we're having is about a quarterback
14:49who right now got placed on IR yesterday.
14:53Who's played one game all season.
14:55Let's do a real quick look at the headlines
14:57because Joe Zagacki has a bus to catch.
14:59He's got to get on the team bus to make sure that he gets to the UF Miami game tonight.
15:06Lamar Jackson has three playoff wins in his NFL career.
15:09By the way, the Miami Dolphins in my lifetime have zero.
15:11I just want to remind everybody who's saying Lamar's stats suck in the playoffs.
15:15Okay, yeah, he has three playoff wins.
15:17The Miami Dolphins have 26 years without a playoff win.