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00:00That was Stephen A on Jason Tatum who is still not shooting great from three but all of a sudden
00:05getting to the free throw line a ton over nine attempts per game after he went 18 out of 22
00:09the
00:10other day that's an indication that Tatum is back to being healthy and being himself never mind
00:1540 points and a buzzer beater and a bunch of big shots down the stretch against the Knicks the
00:19other night so I think Stephen A is right to point out Tatum has to do this all year long
00:24this isn't just four games and all of a sudden everything's settled because he hit some buzzer
00:28meter against a winless team in October that's great to start the year it's all we can really
00:33judge it on to this point but he's going to have to keep doing it I think he's right to
00:36to highlight
00:37that and barring a massive statistical outlier season for Tatum he can't just be back he has to
00:44have by far the best season of his career maybe even an MVP finalist if not the MVP for me
00:50to say
00:51team success has nothing to do with how we judge him this year it's going to be about how he
00:56compares
00:57and measures up to what Jalen did a year ago you tell me if this is enough Keith to say
01:01Tatum
01:03wins against Jalen or Tatum has a successful year maybe let's start with that is a successful year
01:09if he wins more regular season games than the Celtics did last year is 56 and they win a round
01:15in the playoffs they win more regular season games and go around farther is that a successful year for
01:20Tatum probably I think so too yeah probably and then I assume if they do both of those things he's
01:25also all NBA so as good as Jalen Brown was last year he was second team all NBA he's never
01:30been
01:31first in his career Tatum's been first four times so if he's back to being first certainly check mark
01:36if he's second team they have more wins and they advance further then yeah that that is I would I
01:41would chalk that up as a successful season and if he beats Jalen Brown on the Sixers head-to-head
01:47no question asked that's a win if they if they lose to them head-to-head I'd say no question
01:52asked
01:52that's a loss but this is also like apples to oranges because you're comparing like the Jalen
01:56Brown Celtics season last year versus the Tatum season this year but with Brown on the Sixers if
02:02they have a ton of success this year say they make it to the finals that's also kind of hard
02:08to offset
02:08because like you helped I agree that's not just a Tatum criticism though that then becomes like a
02:12Brad Stevens thing like you created that super team well so if they advance really far that's like
02:17sort of like a double whammy good point like okay Tatum they win more regular season games but they
02:21win a round of the playoffs but the Sixers make the finals yeah or win the whole thing right then
02:25there's kind of no way Tatum can win because he wanted Brown out of his face and you're right
02:30Brad Stevens would be on that list Bill Chisholm would be on that list by the way this came out
02:35today for all the crap we give Bill Chisholm and the Celtics for cheaping out on their basketball
02:38roster which they do oh yeah this was crazy 200 million dollars they donated today to Boston
02:43Children's Hospital that's awesome I mean that is incredible it really is so like maybe I need to call
02:48them cheap in a basketball sense yeah right right because that is uh an unbelievable act of generosity
02:53yeah uh I'll maintain the same criticism about the team but that that's unbelievable but anyway
02:58when it comes to uh the Sixers and their team success yeah I think it's gonna be hard to say
03:06this is a
03:06successful year when you created that super team yeah so I think that's kind of the prism we have to
03:11look at it through and I'm with you Keith it's mostly about team success this year and how you measure
03:17up
03:18and I expect Philly to be better but are they champions or are they in the finals or are they
03:22just better than the Celtics that's also a big difference no it is I also think you know Tatum's
03:27team when and you heard the Stephen A's uh clip coming back talking about Paul George a good player
03:32which is true when he's healthy and even this version of him we've already seen like can can be
03:37good I was looking at this Tatum became an all-star for the first time in the 2020 season the
03:42COVID
03:42season he was an all-star and he was an all-star with Kemba and then the next year he
03:47and Jalen were all-stars
03:4821 the 22 season was the only year that Tatum was the only all-star now Brown had a good
03:54year
03:54that was the year they lost the final so Brown was really good but he didn't make the all-star
03:58team
03:58didn't make those every other year Brown and Tatum made it together so like there's a real chance that
04:03this might be only the second time in Tatum's career that he is a Celtics all-star alone with no
04:09teammate Terp has been saying he thinks Paul George yeah that was his well that was his bold prediction
04:14yeah you think Paul George is an all-star this year I don't unless all these guys are hurt like
04:19Kawhi Leonard's hurt like it depends on how many Halliburton right so there's two right there who
04:24has a better chance of being an all-star Paul George or Jalen Brown Jalen Brown Bancaro's hurt
04:28definitely Jalen yeah I agree I think the Sixers could have four all-stars it could be like like
04:32remember the Hawks team that yeah the old Hawks team had four the Pistons had four the Celtics have a
04:37year where four guys yeah Rondo and the and Allen and Pearson Garnett they did so the Sixers could have
04:42four um I mean he's off to a bad start but like Giannis will probably get voted in like there'll
04:48be
04:48five guys that get voted in that aren't Brown or George and then from there it'll be like all right
04:54who's healthy the Knicks will probably get two at least two Brunson and Towns so yeah I don't but
04:59you're right with the injuries in the East Bancaro's hurt Halliburton I don't know how long-term he's hurt
05:03and Kawhi's out for at least a few weeks maybe maybe that is an opportunity for George to get in
05:07there
05:07but in general I agree yeah yeah yeah it's arguably the least talented roster he's had around him
05:11now it's more talented than what Jalen had last year yes that also I mean at least until Tatum
05:16came back at the end of the season what Jalen had to deal with most of last year Tatum has
05:21a better
05:21roster around him right now than Jalen did for most of the year until Tatum returned but it's one of
05:26the worst that Tatum has had to play with that's true yeah uh Joe is in the car with a
05:30question go
05:31ahead Joe Scotty Barnes he's gonna be old stock what was that Joe hello hi yeah I just want to
05:37make a
05:38couple of quick points if you let me while Jalen Brown was having such a good year last year as
05:43he
05:43as he led the league in turnovers half the games they won were against team who were gapping the
05:49games and wanted to lose number two so his only wins were against tanking teams and he led the
05:53league I didn't hear a lot of this out of you Joe last year but okay I'll file that away
05:57go ahead
05:57because I've always thought Jalen Brown was a gap I really have okay and I'm sure maybe he didn't go
06:03into the Celtics and say I want to trade but there are a lot of ways to make your feelings
06:08felt
06:08without saying it word for word and the last thing I'll say right Jalen Brown wanted to get traded
06:14the Celts definitely want to trade him we can all agree on that right yeah I was wanting to trade
06:18him
06:18yeah nobody wanted him okay now if the Celtics went out tomorrow and said we're trading Jason Tatum
06:24just real quick what do you mean no go crazy hang on real quick what do you mean no one
06:28wanted him
06:28I think Philly wanted him Philly absolutely wanted him if you gave him away you think how many teams
06:34wanted Jason Tatum at least or want Tatum yeah one out of 28 how many teams only one want Tatum
06:41I think every team in the league would let me let me tell you Joe did the Celtics want Giannis
06:47yeah well they didn't get him yeah they didn't want him because they wanted more than just
06:51Tatum didn't want them what they couldn't do it straight up for Tatum Milwaukee wouldn't do it
06:55I think you're confusing Tatum and Brown and it's confusing the listener yeah they wouldn't do it
06:59for Brown yeah they wanted more than just Jalen Brown to give you they wanted you go and you
07:04wouldn't throw him in so I guess by your definition they didn't they didn't want uh Giannis 10 minutes
07:08a night watch your tongue um no his I agree with one thing he said in there which is there's
07:16a lot
07:16of ways to let the team know you want to be traded without demanding it I mean he is right
07:21about that I agree with that Scal said he demanded a trade so the report was just wrong Scal didn't
07:29say
07:30he he didn't demand a trade but he let him know they knew he was okay with getting traded and
07:36he
07:36wasn't going to be an easy guy to deal with that's not what he said he said he demanded a
07:39trade so that's
07:40just wrong that's just flat out wrong if he would have said the other thing I probably would have
07:45agreed with him right I think Jalen was okay with getting traded and maybe would have made things
07:50uncomfortable for Tatum this year you brought the point that's not what he reported but they all
07:53want the extension so you can't be like oh they want the extension oh they that he must mean he
07:58wants to be out of here like that he wants the extension they all all these guys want the extension
08:02but he's still under contract at max money for another couple of years he didn't demand a trade
08:08because nobody reported that anywhere except for Scal who walked it back four hours later
08:13that's what comes down to did he demand a trade no he didn't no and that was the report good
08:17point
08:18by less depressed Sox fan by his definition we shouldn't count Tatum's clutch game winner the
08:23other night because the Nets are tanking that's the point the Nets wanted to lose good point fake
08:27clutch win back in your face for the Celtics if we're if we're going to tally it that way which
08:31again
08:31we take a lot of phone calls maybe Joe called us last year and said this I don't remember hearing
08:35a
08:35lot about fake Celtics wins last year and Jalen Brown leading the league in turnovers that we didn't
08:39take that call often the turnovers thing was definitely real uh not not that not what Scal
08:44said the other night he led the league in turnovers how often do we hear that about it I think
08:48well I
08:48mean we were talking about where you have bad games I don't think we ever talked about I don't I
08:52didn't even know we led the league in turnovers but we also were like he should be first team all
08:57NBA all of us said that I mean you were top five in the MVP he should be fifth yeah
09:01like he's a
09:02little loose with the basketball we definitely made fun of his dribbling and turnovers and stuff over
09:05the years I don't think we said it as a pejorative last year about him we mostly talked up his
09:10season
09:10I think uh yeah I would say so also do yourself a favor uh yeah what's the turnover list is
09:17probably
09:17most of the best players in the league correct if I had to guess every single year it's the it's
09:22the players you know who leads the league in turnovers right now SGA no Luka Doncic okay there
09:26you go I know his turnover to assist was the probably the worst in the league which I think is
09:30more
09:31important than total turnovers all right maybe scowl start using that on the bracket don't give
09:35don't give him material don't do that well that was my narrative last year so I'm giving it to him
09:39now turnovers per game turnovers per game so by the way Jalen Brown didn't lead the league in
09:44turnovers per game got it so scowl's already cherry-picking stats raw turnovers yeah because
09:49he played more games than all the other guys that's a pretty good stat too playing top five in steals
09:55or
09:55turnovers per game yep Luka Doncic led the league first team all NBA Denny Avija second I think he
10:02was second team all NBA bad player Nikola Jokic one of the greatest players that's ever played the
10:07game horrible third Cade Cunningham uh-huh would have been MVP if it wasn't for his injuries probably
10:12so you have five all NBA guys you know I can't let the league in turnovers it's not the burn
10:17that
10:17you think it is all the best players in the league lead the league in turnovers because they have the
10:20ball so much or by definition you must think Jokic and Luka and Cade and who else was it uh
10:27yeah
10:27he might not belong on that list but whatever he's good though he's good he's uh those are all the
10:31players in turnovers per game good good uh thank you well not only good pointing out those stats but
10:37good point scowl is talking about raw turnovers which is already misleading which means he played
10:41because he played more games than all those guys in front of him I never heard out of him one
10:44time
10:45uh that that was the number Monty Mack is also saying scowl didn't walk back his report I don't know
10:50give that a listen back I don't know what else I don't know what else to call that
10:53other than turtling walking back uh turning himself into a big giant joke I don't know what else to call
10:59it yeah