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00:00Recently, I sent you a text. I said, I felt the team needed somebody standing next to Aaron Boone, someone
00:05like you, Brett Gardner, someone who cares about the shield, the brand, the whole thing, and also has a lot
00:12of fire and a lot of baseball instincts to say, this is unacceptable. And here's why. I've lived it.
00:21A, do you think that could work? And B, do you want to do it?
00:25Yeah, I, Joe, it's got to be the right, I mean, I could, but I don't think they want me
00:35there, to tell you the truth. So.
00:38Why not?
00:39I don't feel welcome when I go there.
00:42John, this is a good show for us for a lot of reasons. The biggest one is Jorge Posada was
00:48a favorite of both of us when we covered the Yankees in the way back.
00:52Uh, and, uh, he continues to be somebody I always enjoy talking to whenever we run into each other.
00:58Yeah. I mean, he's my favorite of the core four. I, I, it's, I almost can't think Bernie gets a
01:03little short shrift in that, but I get it. The four came up together.
01:06Bernie was there a little bit earlier. He's a great guy as well, but I mean, Posada, just an, an
01:11honest guy. You got to love him. You really do.
01:14He's just a terrific guy and the backbone, one of the backbones of some great, great Yankee teams. And, uh,
01:21really the last really big dynasty, I guess the Dodgers are dynasty too, but the, uh, the last Yankee dynasty,
01:28uh, really looking forward to Jorge Posada.
01:31Yeah. I'm sure we'll ask him about the dynasty. We'll ask him what he sees, uh, with this club, why
01:36he can't get to that championship level anymore. We'll ask him why he isn't around the team as much anymore.
01:42If he has some aspirations to do more in a dugout, uh, John and I will break down some of
01:48the world series and certainly the press conference that the, uh, three main, uh, Yankee executives had, uh, last week.
01:54We'll play hit or error at the end. If you stick with us on the show with Joel Sherman and
01:59Johnny.
02:04John, uh, you and I have not gotten together in this forum since, uh, the Holy Trinity of the Yankees,
02:11uh, house, Steinbrenner, Brian Cashman, and Aaron Boone did their annual dance, uh, to explain, uh, why it's all the
02:18players fault and not their fault.
02:20Uh, that though, though, one of them pays for the players, one of them picks the players and one of
02:26them manages the players. Uh, it's apparently all the players fault.
02:30Um, though, uh, uh, I, it was not, I think a great performance, uh, by that trio, but I also
02:39want to say two things. I'm not sure what a great performance would look like when you keep not getting
02:44to the finish line that you are promising your fan base.
02:48So I don't know what that script would look like. And I also think it generally gets lost. I, I,
02:54I told a friend of mine who is a huge Yankee fan who was just treating them like, and I
02:59go, you know, the Yankees lose in October and get treated worse than the Mets whose season ends about June
03:051st in a lot of years.
03:06Uh, and the Yankees get to the playoffs. I think we hold the Yankees to an incredibly high standard. It
03:12is the standard that they keep telling us to hold them to. It's kind of championship or bust. Uh, take
03:17that wherever you want, John, the, the, the blame game went, went on the players.
03:21Well, championship or bust that's out the window at this point. Right. I mean, obviously. And, and again, you know,
03:27I, I felt bad doing it saying that they should probably move on from Aaron Boone, who's a great guy
03:32and a solid manager. But, uh, you know, I grew up in the Steinbrenner era when it was championship or
03:38bust. It clearly is not now, but we'd like some semblance of that, right. We'd like to be somewhere close
03:43to that. I mean, I feel like I should have asked him, uh, how in the, in the, um,
03:50um, get together with zoom, whatever we call it. Um, you know, how many years is, how many years do
03:56we get here? Uh, is it 15, 20, 25 before we do something? I mean, I just think the time
04:02is, time is up, even though, you know, I think Boone's a solid manager and they let him go, uh,
04:08Seattle, Houston, somebody would pick him up immediately. Um, you know, he's a great guy that helps him, but, uh,
04:14he has not gotten it done. And neither has Al 17 years, 17 years for Al in a row.
04:20Now he won his first year when he was in charge. Uh, it kind of, it happens, you know, Jeffrey
04:26Luria, same thing, uh, with the Marlins, won his first year. And then, uh, you know, they didn't spend, at
04:31least the Yankees are spending, uh, reasonably, but I will say the one year they really spent was 2009, his
04:38first year, right. When they got to share, they got Sabathia and they got Burnett and they won that year.
04:43I mean, is that a coincidence? I don't know. Maybe we're in a, I mean, here in, uh, Tampa, St.
04:49Pete, wherever we are.
04:50At a world series where we have, uh, you know, the 19th payroll and the 20, I don't know, 25th
04:55or so payroll, uh, maybe spending isn't everything, but, uh, maybe, maybe they do need to do it. Um, you
05:02know, I appreciate that. How was at least on the call. Uh, but I do get it. Uh, you know,
05:07they have not gotten it done, which is, you know, they set the standard. So, you know, uh, we're just
05:13calling by what they said.
05:15And they really haven't backed away from it that much, uh, a little bit. I mean, no one's going to
05:19be George, but he hasn't backed away from it that much. So let's, uh, let's see the Yankees get a
05:24championship. And then, and with this world series, we're seeing how far away they are. Right. I mean, they got
05:28wiped out by Tampa. Tampa is getting wiped out as we do this by Milwaukee. Right. I think the four,
05:35we've said this forever that the four or five best teams may be in the international league. I'm not going
05:39to change that at this moment.
05:41Yeah. Uh, look, we'll, we'll get to it all. Uh, the world series in a bit, John, uh, I, I
05:47will, I, I, I'm not here to save house Steinbrenner's money, but like I, I, when John, it's my perception
05:54each year that this occurs, that the Yankees don't lose because of talent. Like I don't like they just played
06:00the rays and it wasn't like I was sitting and going, wow, the rays are just better than the Yankees
06:05talent wise. I think the Yankees had an overwhelming strength this year.
06:09Their rotation was outstanding. Uh, and they were going to have that overflow into the bullpen, which I thought helped.
06:15And, you know, look, injuries happened to everyone, but obviously missing judge, uh, was, was, was a big deal.
06:22I almost wonder where would they have spent the money on who, again, I'm not here to do it. It's
06:28like, like I love Alex Bregman and like, I guess they could have done Bregman eating the money on McMahon
06:34and you have just a better gamer third baseman who helps them with tenacity besides being a great player.
06:40But you know, like Bregman is a guy who actually hasn't a great in the post season while being in
06:44the post season every year. He's all like a total he'll get you in, but he hasn't been great. I
06:49love the player. But as I think about where the money could have been spent, is that where the money
06:54could have been spent? Like, I'm not here to save his money.
06:56I just think that the Yankees to, to your point about Boone, whatever's going on, like, like if I were
07:01to conflate a little bit with the world series, John, I'm watching the brewers be savages in the box. Like
07:07they turn every at bat into a holy war. And I think the best team of Aaron Boone's, uh, nine
07:14years. And I don't know that it's that close was not the 2024 champions. It was the 2019 team, uh,
07:22that won the division. I think they won 103 games.
07:24Uh, and from one to nine in the lineup, that was with us. That was the year they came up
07:29with savages in the box. They were relentless. Where has that spirit gone? Where they would fight it? Where they
07:35fight? Like, like we're watching the brewers fight the same raise, uh, pitching staff that the Yankees folded against.
07:42You know, you know, what's funny is the guy who really is a savage in the box who fights every
07:47pitch is Jake Bowers, who was briefly a Yankee.
07:49In 2023, he led the brewers in on-base percentage. He led the brewers in OPS, uh, led the brewers
07:57at home runs. He obviously has turned his career around. I mean, I think they just do a better job
08:01getting the best out of players.
08:03Now, does that fall on the manager, the coaches, whomever? I'm not sure. I mean, I, you know, not everybody
08:10can be Milwaukee, but, uh, look, uh, you're doing an amazing job.
08:14I mean, to have faced, uh, Snell, Scooble, Yamamoto, Rasmussen, and Peralta, and, uh, have, uh, gotten them to a
08:24seven ERA, five outstanding pitchers, five of the best pitchers in baseball.
08:30They have a seven ERA combined against the Brewers. Uh, they put the ball in play. I think do hit
08:35a lot of ground balls. You know, there's a little quick discouragement, uh, about ground balls.
08:40We all have to have this launch angle. Uh, if you hit the ball hard on the ground, uh, you
08:45know, a lot of them are going to find holes, but I mean, obviously you got to hit a ball
08:48hard on the ground, but, uh, it's amazing what they do.
08:51They are tied for the youngest team in the playoffs with the White Sox at 27.7. Uh, they play
08:57the game, right? There are very few youthful mistakes. I mean, we saw one from Cooper Pratt where he didn't
09:03really touch second base on that first game ending play in game two, but basically, uh, they do not make
09:10a youthful mistakes.
09:11Their coaching is excellent. Uh, everything across the board is excellent. And, uh, I mean, look, they're the 19th payroll.
09:18They do, uh, they are 11th in, uh, spending in baseball overall baseball ops. Uh, I mean, they've, they've just
09:27done a great job and, and you, you know, what's interesting is Murphy. Uh, I mean, you know, he should
09:32win, probably should win manager of the year, right?
09:34Picote had them 82 wins. They won 103. Obviously that vote comes out just in the regular season, but that
09:40probably should have been enough to get it. I, I kind of, yeah, he, we talked about it in, in
09:45history in the clubhouse a little bit and, uh, Nazio was stopping for him. Obviously it's too late. Uh, I
09:51kind of think he's probably not going to win, but he deserves his third. And you were a nice column
09:55on, uh, how the Mets were close to hiring Brody Van Wagenen at the time was the GM. Uh, wow.
10:01What a difference, you know?
10:02And they ended up hiring Carlos Beltran. Uh, I mean, we're firing Carlos Beltran. Yeah. He didn't even manage a
10:09game. Uh, you know, and I, my suspicion is he's not, doesn't have the thick enough skin to be a
10:15great player. I voted from the hall of fame. Uh, just, you know, he does not have a thick enough
10:20skin to be a manager. In any case, uh, Murphy is amazing. And, you know, you see this in this
10:26throughout these playoffs where he has this one, which I thought was a stupid saying win tonight.
10:32He even says it during day games, win tonight. I don't really get it. Uh, but it helps them realize
10:39the urgency of things, which I think has been lost on Tampa. And, uh, you know, you can't be looking
10:45to lengthen your circle of trust in games one and two, like the Rays did with Steven Matz. You know,
10:52you got to go to your best, right? They haven't even used big Brian Baker, who's been on the hittable
10:56in the playoffs.
10:57You know, I don't think there's anything wrong with them. They don't say that there is, but, uh, you know,
11:02Murphy went to Ashby, uses Ashby as the closer when necessary. Uh, he's terrific. I mean, everything you see about
11:10the Brewers right now is just terrific. You got him credit. I mean, no team has swept both the LCS
11:15and world series. They got a shot to do that.
11:17You know, John, just to kind of circle back on the Yankees, like I would challenge Hal Steinbrenner and to
11:25some extent, no, not some extent, and Brian Cashman to be at Aaron Boone.
11:30The, the, again, the three guys who were sitting at that press conference. And I know that small sample size
11:36and like runs, like, you know, we saw it last spring with the Knicks. You get on one of these
11:40magic carpet rides and suddenly, you know, you can't be stopped. Things are going well, but the Brewers are no
11:45accident. They won 103 games this year. They led the majors and wins last year, just like the Boone Yankees.
11:50They've been to the playoffs eight of the last nine years. You know, this, this is a exemplary team.
11:56I don't know how Hal Steinbrenner could watch this and not turn to the people he's paying a ton of
12:03money and saying, we just played the same team. By the way, we played them 13 times during the regular
12:09season and all the games that counted, you know, the first 11 that counted before the Rays clinched the division
12:15on their home field. They pretty much kicked our butt. They won the division. What, why are they, and against
12:24the, and against that
12:26same team, the Brewers are defying the pitching. Like they're not just one lane of lefty hitters who all hit
12:33the same and like are not battling and are losing their minds. And, and I, John, if you, you, you,
12:40you indulge me for a second. In game one of this series, David Hamilton stupidly tried to make, turn a
12:46double in the right field corner that Victor Mesa fields into a triple.
12:50He's thrown out on a relay at third base in game one, when he should have clearly stopped at second
12:56base. It was a lot like game one of the DS where Austin Wells did the same thing. Like he
13:01got thrown out by Victor Mesa relay there.
13:03In game two, Yandy Diaz hits a ground ball to the left side of the infield. First batter of the
13:09first inning. Cooper Pratt makes an error. Just like Ryan McMahon did against Yandy Diaz in game two of the
13:15DS.
13:16Why do the Brewers stand up and fight back from those mistakes? They're not mistake free, but they're aggressive. The
13:25biggest play in yesterday's game, which turned out to be a 10 one final might be their 34 year old
13:30captain.
13:31Who's going to turn 35. Who's going to turn 35 next month. Christian Yelich getting a great secondary lead and
13:38flying to second base on a ground ball to junior Caminero that gets overturned on replay. Remember in that inning,
13:44they had not scored yet.
13:45That was going to be the third out of the inning. What followed was eight, two out runs. And that
13:51was because like, like what version of the, of a Yankee goes that smart, great secondary lead and that hard.
14:00And if I were Hal Steinbrenner, I would say I spend a lot of money. How come this is not
14:06us? By the way, I would do it if I were the other 28 teams not playing in this world
14:10series.
14:10I just come back to the Brewers are playing with tenacity, ferocity, and smart. Do we ever say those things
14:18about the Yankees?
14:19Well, it's a good recommendation for Hal. I wonder what goes on behind those doors. I mean, he seems to
14:24only fight back at the, on these rare zooms that he, where he faces the media. I mean, I get
14:28that he's kind of rebelled against his father, or at least seeing his father's flaws and done the opposite in
14:34so many different ways with the never firing anybody, never calling anybody out.
14:40Rarely talking to the media, never saying anything negative specifically about anything that goes on. Although he did kind of
14:47suggest the hitting coaches, you know, they're, they're not doing so great. Apparently that was about the extent of it.
14:54But, but, you know, I, it's, it's, it's, you've said it, it's toxic positivity. They're too positive about, certainly about
15:03each other. They're too comfortable. I think, you know, they're all making a huge living.
15:09And by the way, Hal Steinberg, I mean, they bought the team for $10 million, right? And he paid a
15:15very small percentage of that $10 million. I mean, conservatively, it's worth $10 billion now. So it's up a thousand
15:20times.
15:21And, you know, then he tells us that, you know, they sold was 16% of the team, uh, to,
15:27uh, uh, grew up. Right. Yeah. And, uh, and he did it for flexibility. No, I did because his siblings
15:36want to align their pockets. What flexibility is this mean? They're going to spend more. Uh, that's what flexibility means
15:42to me.
15:43It's a, it's a nice, clever word. Uh, if he said, we're good, we did it because we want to
15:47spend more on the team. We have now a lot more money to spend on the team. That's great. I
15:52don't think that's what flexibility means in this case. I think it means, uh, that the richer get richer. And
15:57that's the end of that story. And I just think they're, they're way too comfortable. I just don't know when
16:02the, what the end date is for when they actually do something, uh, drastic, whether that be changing one of
16:10the big guys.
16:11And I think, I mean, Cashman won, has been in the playoffs 24 to 29 times. So, uh, I don't,
16:17I don't see how he would be on the hot seat or they really just overwhelmed with spending. That's the
16:22way he won the one time CC to share a burnout. I know burnout wasn't great for them, but, uh,
16:29that's how they want.
16:30John, you said a word that I love. They're comfortable. I think they're all been to the party too long.
16:36They've grown comfortable. I think insular where they, they, they, they, they think everything
16:41outside is just noise as opposed to, is there, can we learn anything from the outside world? I, I, I
16:48think. And, and when you have this feisty, because you know, what's happened, John, they've had this feisty press conference
16:55before. And like part of the feisty press conferences. Oh, you, you know, like, I remember them like browbeating me
17:01where I was like, you got like eight right hand hitters in your lineup. And they'd say, well, those are
17:05the best players on the market. Luke Voight and Gleyber Torres and all the right. And I'd be like,
17:09you talk about having a lane when your pitchers pitch, you've given them one lane to pitch to. Do you
17:15not see this? And then like two years later, they go, yeah, we shouldn't have done that. And like this
17:21year, they kind of finally acknowledge having two left hand catches is stupid. I mean, stupid, stupid. It's just stupid.
17:31Like, and so to me, they kind of ignore chastise.
17:40Curdle up into their insula world and 24 within 24 months agree, which is the Titanic trying to turn away
17:48from the iceberg. It's happening too slowly. And I think it's because it's noise. It's noise. It's like, it's not
17:54noise. You're being held to it. I think they get frustrated because they're like, to your point, make the playoffs
18:0024 out of 29 times. Boone's made it eight out of nine times.
18:03I think Boone's played in four ALCS and one world series. Like they are in, but we are holding them
18:10to the Phi Beta Kappa student. Like this is, these are, these are, this is a great team. The standard
18:16is greatness.
18:18Right. I mean, I'm sure in their minds, you know, they, that they, and there's some truth to it, that
18:23the fans are a little spoiled. The media in New York's a little tougher and they may hear a little
18:27more than the most, but Hey, they set the standard. So they only have themselves to blame. That's it.
18:32John, John, can I just real quickly before we get out of this segment, let's, let's just, as John and
18:39I are doing this, the Brewers lead the world series three games to none. It's the morning of game four.
18:45So, you know, by the time you hear this, this thing might be over. Can I just, my, my thing
18:51is like, I, I love this time of year a little bit because I get to watch up close teams
18:56that I'm watching on television.
18:57And when they come to Citi Field or Yankee Stadium, but man, and I know you could get swept up
19:02on it. Some of these Brewers are just wonderful to watch. Like, like Bryce Terang to me is as close
19:09to Chase Utley as you're going to get.
19:12William Contreras has by far caught the most innings in the major leagues this year and seems to be fresher
19:18than ever. And his greatest skill might be turning balls into strikes on the challenge. He was four before on
19:23it in game three. He's just great. He's a two-way catcher.
19:26He creates a difference at a time where there's so few two-way catchers. Cheerio is a great young player.
19:32Sal Freelich is like a version of Brett Gardner. He's just like on fire at all times, playing hard. To
19:38your point about Jake Bowers, their bullpen is electric. And Aaron Ashby's on one of the great runs of all
19:44time.
19:45Matt, there's no accident. They are up to 113 wins this year as we're speaking. 114 gets them a title.
19:54John, you want to jump in on that at any point?
19:56Terang, terrific. I mean, defensively, I think he's better than Utley.
20:00Oh, yes, he is. Defensively, not offensively. But he won a platinum glove, deservedly so.
20:07He makes tough look easy.
20:09You know, it just points to how well they draft. I think he was in the 20s somewhere, maybe 21,
20:14I'm not sure, in a draft that was terrible.
20:16And the other 20 guys in front of him, you know, some of them played in the majors, obviously. It
20:22was the first round of a draft, but none of them were better than him.
20:25They've got the best player in the first round, at least, at, what was it, 21 or 125, whatever he
20:31was picked.
20:32I mean, Contreras, that was a great trade. You know, I think for whatever reason, the Braves were a little
20:39exasperated by him for some reason.
20:42I don't know, you know, he's a little emotional, you know, but is that worth giving up on a guy
20:49that good?
20:50He's certainly better at Murphy. He's a solid player, but he's not Contreras, and it's unbelievable with the ABS.
20:55Even when they're like an inch, an inch inside this, he's incredible.
21:00When he challenges the umpires, he's got to just concede, I think, at this point. He's right every single time.
21:05Good job on Freilich and Gardner. I see that.
21:09Um, Freilich's offense isn't quite as good as Gardner at the moment overall, but big hits, uh, inspirational player, leader,
21:17uh, Yellich that, uh, amazing.
21:20I mean, the guy is not young. Like, one of the few guys over 30, I think they have about
21:24a half dozen guys over 30 on the team, uh, to have themselves speed and, uh, get that lead.
21:30And, uh, just made all the difference, right? The eight, two outruns, not, not that the Rays were going to
21:35catch him, uh, and the Rays, I mean, I, I, I'm going to give them credit for winning 98 games
21:41with this team.
21:42Uh, and they certainly look good. It's the Yankees, but, and I get that was one game and they had
21:47a tie run on third base and the two one run games that they lost.
21:51But that lineup to me, it looks like a below average lineup. Their bullpen is average. And I think the
21:58bullpen is a huge part of how you win, right?
22:01There's full market teams that have won have great, had great bullpens. Uh, uh, Kansas city had an amazing bullpen
22:07Cincinnati in 1990 at the best bullpen with the nasty brothers.
22:12And, uh, this bullpen, uh, from Milwaukee, uh, gives, uh, the Padres a run for their money in tops, in
22:18terms of top bullpen. Ashby is incredible.
22:21I wonder who the, uh, MVP is. I mean, Churio is now seven for 12 after getting four straight heads,
22:26uh, yesterday.
22:28But, um, I mean, for me, the MVP of the postseason, I don't know about the world, so the, I
22:32mean, is this Aaron Ashby who's got 15 and two thirds scoreless, uh, and they just talk about how calm
22:38he is.
22:38That's what they said about Gasser too. I mean, I don't think anybody knew that much about Gasser. And I
22:42think, uh, we weren't expecting as good a pitcher as he, he was. And, uh, I mean, it's, and that
22:50was, he came in a trade, right? Uh, was that the Josh hated trade?
22:55The most hated trade of the David Stearns. They didn't make the playoffs.
22:59Stearns did a great job for them. I, there's no question about that. And Arnold's doing just as good a
23:05job. It's not better.
23:06Yeah. Uh, yeah. Look, uh, obviously the Yankees have to look at this and say, uh, man, we weren't better
23:14than Tampa Bay seeing how they've showed up at this world series.
23:18They, it's going to be a long winter with a lockout and it's going to be a cold one for
23:23everyone from the Yankees. Don't despair Yankee fans.
23:26Why don't we bring in somebody who knows a lot about the Yankees and winning a five time, a world
23:31series championship catcher, Jorge Posada joins us next on the show.
23:40John and I are so happy to have, uh, Jorge Posada, who's never joined us before joining us 17 years
23:46in the major leagues, five time, uh, world series champion, uh, five, uh, 275 homers, five time all-star two
23:56times in the top six for AL MVP.
23:58Uh, and really one of our favorites to cover, uh, uh, a fiery smart spirit in the clubhouse, uh, Jorge,
24:05thank you so much for joining us on the show.
24:07Thank you. Thank you for the introduction. Thank you very much for having me.
24:10Yeah. Uh, Jorge, I'm wondering, are, are you a keen observer of your old, old team, uh, during the course
24:18of a season and a post season?
24:19And if you do, you are what, what, here we are again, right? Like they keep, they keep getting to
24:25the same point, running into a wall and not getting there.
24:28You have a thought on what's going on with why the Yankees, these Yankees can't do what your Yankees did.
24:34Yeah. Um, yeah, they, they keep coming, you know, up short and it's just about getting hot, being healthy and
24:45all at the right time. Uh, I felt like the pitching was phenomenal. Uh, you know, I, I felt like
24:53they had everything, you know, going forward, um, you know, losing judge, uh, not putting any excuses,
25:03but losing judge is, is a big piece in the middle of the lineup. Um, you know, and then you
25:09get guys that they, you know, they got in the, in the trade and I felt like they got more
25:18of the same. Um, so it was, it was tough to, to see it come up short, you know, because
25:26I thought they were going to go a little further.
25:28All right. Thank you very much for joining us. And as Joel said, we appreciated you as a player, uh,
25:34from our perspective, you're always a cooperative and, and kind. I know one of, one of the Yankees came up
25:41to me at some point recently and said, you know, I, I hated you when I, uh, when you covered
25:46the team. Uh, I'm glad that you never did that. Uh, you were always very kind and, uh, we do
25:51appreciate that. Um, uh, what do you think?
25:56Is there something that you could point to that they could have done differently? Uh, you know, obviously they did
26:01bring up, uh, Garcia, they did trade for him, uh, and he's a good, very good hitter, but, uh, you
26:07know, it kind of duplicated what they had right now. They have some big power hitters, but, uh, you know,
26:13it feels like they were a little short in relief. They were a little short in, uh, a couple of
26:18different positions. Uh, what would you recommend that they do or what could they have done different?
26:24Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, now it's like moving forward, you know, like in the past, like you look
26:31and you're like, well, this didn't work out. Uh, so I think moving forward, yeah, the construction of that team
26:37has to be a little bit better, uh, when it comes to the team. Uh, you know, I think, um,
26:44we can have, you know, three, four DHS and three, four first basements.
26:49Um, you know, you gotta have, you know, more of, you know, you're seeing in, in the world series now
26:55more of what, you know, we walk in Tampa has, they, if they're going to platoon, they platoon, you know,
27:01in the, in the hole, uh, you know, certain pieces obviously going to stay, uh, on the field at all
27:08times.
27:09But if, if there's a lefty matchup, you know, you have, you know, a righty that's going to, you know,
27:16compensate. Uh, so I, I, I feel like they, they really try to, you know, to fill those holes, but,
27:25you know, a trading deadline, some people are probably not available.
27:29So it's hard to construct a team when they are, are asking for your best players, uh, and you can't
27:39move them because, you know, obviously the Yankee system has good players coming up.
27:44And I feel like that's the key. I mean, I feel like they need to dip in, in more into
27:51what we have with Gene Michael, uh, the on-base percentage, the guys that put ball in play,
27:58the guys that are going to do, um, the little things to win ballgames. And I feel we got away
28:04from that.
28:05You know, Jorge, I think it feeds into something that when I watch these Yankees and then I'm watching, say
28:11the Brewers, uh, six out between your team.
28:15So like the last team to overcome two four run deficits in the same postseason, 1996 Yankees before the Brewers
28:22this year.
28:22Uh, the last, the, the, the, the, uh, team, the last team to have as good a record when behind
28:28in, in games, regular season and postseason as these Brewers, 2009 Yankees.
28:33So those are your first champion and your last champion for, for, for a Jorge Posada.
28:38And I think part of that is about the spirit of like every at bat, every pitch, every at bat,
28:44both sides of the ball.
28:45Yeah. And to me, that's what it feels like is lacking. Uh, like, cause I don't ever walk away from
28:51a playoff series and go, boy, that team just out talented the Yankees.
28:54Yeah. I don't think that I, I thought your team, especially like your 96 team was not as talented as
28:59maybe any of the three teams you beat in the playoffs.
29:02Yeah. Uh, and you beat them in the playoffs. I, how does a team create a kind of, for stupid
29:09words, fighting spirit, a better fighting spirit than it feels to me that these Yankees have.
29:14Yeah. I think the players have to, they have to push each other. You know, it is, it's just, how
29:22bad do you want it?
29:23And, and in 96 and you're talking about 2009, but you know, that run that we had in the late
29:29nineties, it was about how bad do you want it?
29:32You had a core of players that were fed in their head. Winning is everything, you know, winning is the
29:41most important thing.
29:42It's got to hurt when you lose. Uh, and I don't, I don't see that often, not only with the
29:48Yankees. I don't see that overall with, with the players.
29:51I see, I see the guys that win, you know, last year, Toronto, Atlanta, but I saw, you know, Toronto,
29:58sorry. And, uh, and the Dodgers, uh, I saw it more with Toronto than I saw with the Dodgers.
30:04And, and, and, and they lost, but they, they, they, they got there. They were that close to winning that,
30:08that world series.
30:10And I see it with Milwaukee, I see it with Tampa. It's just like, how bad do you want to
30:14win?
30:15Um, you know, we had it in 96 and, and I go back to the construction of that team. You
30:23know, we had, I think we were in 96. We had three switch hitters. Uh, the, the, the construction has
30:33to, you know, balance that team and balance that lineup that if you don't do it and you got, and
30:40you walk, the next guy steps up and, and, and it's gotta happen like that.
30:44Uh, we gotta have guys that are on base percentage, guys that put the ball in play, guys that make
30:50things happen. The lineup has to be a relentless lineup, like, like the Milwaukee Brewers are.
30:58I know you're not in the clubhouse, but you are in a keen observer. You're watching what's going on from
31:03a distance. You probably read some stories.
31:05You know, a couple of the former great players have mentioned a lack of accountability, uh, that they see from
31:11the Yankees that they don't really own their mistakes.
31:15Uh, and you know, this Milwaukee team seems to do that. Um, have you noticed that at all, uh, with
31:20this Yankee team?
31:21I mean, there were a couple of goofy plays in the post season and it seems to me that there
31:26were excuses made rather than, you know what?
31:28I screwed up and won't happen again. I don't know. What do you think?
31:31I, I, uh, John, I, I, it's tough to know what's going on when you, when you're not there, when,
31:37when you know, you know, you see it from a distance.
31:41Uh, I mean, there were, there was plays that are, especially in the playoffs, you're going to see everything.
31:48So, you know, it's so big when you don't cover second base or when you, you know, you don't cover
31:53first base or the, you know, the pitcher doesn't cover first base or, you know, uh, you're not backing up
31:59a base.
31:59All that thing is magnified during the playoffs. Uh, so during the season, if it happened and you don't address
32:07it, that's when it's, that's, that's when it becomes a problem.
32:10So, you know, it needs to happen more during the season and make these guys more accountable. Uh, you didn't
32:17run to first base, get them out of the, out of the game.
32:20Make them, make them, you know, understand that this, this means something. It's not a, it's not a game. It's
32:28really a job. And some guys are not doing their job.
32:32Uh, John mentioned, use the term, you're a keen observer. I mean, I think if somebody doesn't know, you're, you're
32:38the son, you're, how long was your dad a major league scout?
32:42Forever. Forever, right? Like, like, uh, it's a baseball family. Uh, so, so like when you went to Jorge Posada's
32:48locker, when he was a player,
32:49you were getting a very baseball life, smart guy. Uh, I, I just want to add that you do, you're,
32:55you're not in the locker room, but you do know the, the principals who had a press conference the other
32:59day.
33:00And they kind of all said it was about the players, you know, the owner, you know, Hal Steinbrenner, you
33:03know, the GM, you know, Brian Cashman, you played with Aaron Boone. Uh, you know, them are the right people
33:09in charge of the Yankees.
33:12Uh, yeah, I think, I think, uh, the, you know, it's not on Boone, it's not on Cash. Cash tries
33:18to, you know, put the team together as, as best as he can.
33:22Is it on the players? Yes, because they, there are the ones that go on out there and play in
33:27the game. Uh, do they make the decisions to not run to first base? Do not, you know?
33:33Uh, yeah, I think it's on the players, uh, 100%. You, you, you know, is, do, do they need to
33:41change a little bit? Maybe they're, uh, you know, Boone is coming back, but you, you can make some changes
33:47in the, in the, in the coaches, uh, coaching staff and, you know, bring in somebody that would, you know,
33:54push, uh, you know, some of these players.
33:58You know, I think, uh, you know, obviously it's New York. So, I mean, he's going to be a little
34:02tougher than Milwaukee, for instance. And, uh, you know, I think that they are seeing fans that are a little
34:08bit spoiled. I think you guys spoiled them with winning all those championships. I don't think you get it. There's
34:13deserve any blame for that, but, uh, I do think, uh, that is reality. Um, you know, what do you,
34:20I mean, you only played in New York, but you think is New York that much different?
34:24I mean, we're seeing these small market teams now rise up and, uh, you know, these players in Tampa were
34:30great players. They move on. And some of them, like David Price are still great player, but many of them
34:35are not the same player.
34:37Uh, what, what do you think? I mean, I know you'd ever played anywhere else, but is it that much
34:41harder to play in New York?
34:42It is hard to play in New York. Uh, but you have to, you know, look forward to being there.
34:49Um, you gotta be, you know, like you say, you gotta be accountable of the things.
34:54And the mistakes that you, you make, um, you know, New York is, is the best when you win. It's
35:00the best city in the world to, you know, the fans know the game so much.
35:07Uh, so it's fun to, to be around a good team, uh, and come to the stadium and, and have
35:16fun with your players and, and win together.
35:19There, that there's nothing better than that. Uh, so, you know, I think, uh, they get the right kind of
35:25guys. It will be a lot, a lot of fun. Uh, I think they have a core of players are,
35:32they're, are going to establish themselves.
35:34They're young, you know, they're not, it's not an old team. So hopefully, you know, hopefully we can make some,
35:40address some issues that we had during, uh, during this off season.
35:45You know, you've used the word core a couple of times. I, I, it wasn't part of the introduction. I
35:49should mention you were an important part of the core four.
35:51That was, that was central to all of those championships. You know, in your, your previous, when I asked you
35:56a previous question, Jorge, you mentioned, maybe you could change things around.
36:00You bring in some kind of different fire and coaches, you know, this, cause I reached out to you. I
36:04texted you, you, you manage for team Italy into WBC. Uh, I, I kind of asked you then when I
36:10saw you in Arizona training for it, but I recently, I sent you a text.
36:13I said, I felt the team needed somebody standing next to Aaron Boone, someone like you, Brett Gardner, someone who
36:20cares about the shield, the brand, the whole thing, and also has a lot of fire and a lot of
36:26baseball instincts to say, this is unacceptable.
36:29And here's why I've lived it. Do you, A, do you think that could work? And B, do you want
36:36to do it?
36:38Yeah. I, Joe, it's gotta be the right. I mean, I could, uh, but, uh, but I don't think they,
36:47they want me there to the truth. Uh, so why not?
36:52I don't feel welcome when I go there, you know, uh, even in spring training, uh, I don't feel like,
36:57you know, I'm just like, like, I, I don't know, like, I don't feel welcome. I don't feel like they
37:04want me there. So I don't go.
37:06And where do you think that flows from? Who, what, what, what, I mean, you're, you're a five time, you're
37:11an historic Yankee.
37:13Yeah. I don't, I don't know. I don't know. Uh, you know what happened? Uh, uh, I'd rather just move
37:21forward. Uh, my last season of the, of my career was a really tough one. Uh, when it comes to
37:27handling everything in my part and also the Yankees, you know, uh, towards Jorge Posada.
37:35So it's, it's tough to, you know, to go back and feel that again.
37:42Well, I mean, uh, that's, uh, terrible. I mean, uh, if anybody should be welcome, it's you, you won five
37:48championship. And I mean, you know, you're one of the backbones of those champion teams.
37:54And I, I think the fact that you were willing to be accountable and to confront guys who weren't doing
37:59the things that were right, uh, really just makes you more valuable.
38:03Uh, you know, that might be the reason that you were, you know, overtly honest. I don't know. Is that,
38:11could that be, could that be it?
38:12I mean, I know you had a couple of little things with, uh, and I think you've got, you and
38:16El Duque love each other, but you had a couple of things with him or somebody else.
38:20I mean, it was all on the road to championships. I mean, isn't that the way it should be? I
38:25don't know.
38:26I'm, uh, you know, I'm going to express the way I feel, and I'm going to tell you if something's
38:31wrong, uh, I'm going to tell you that's the way I play the game.
38:36Uh, you know, we, we wanted to win and we wanted to be there to do the right things. And,
38:43um, I'm very honest, uh, you know, and I'm, uh, that's my, probably my toughest thing with, with people.
38:52Uh, I'll tell you straight up what's, what's wrong.
38:55Well, that should be everybody's fault that they're too honest and you are, you're not just saying that you're not,
39:01he's not just saying that I agree, John, that was how you were as a player.
39:05And when you, you dealt with us, look, you know, one of the members of the core for Andy Pettit
39:09is around the team all the time. He's in uniform. He's, I think people would be surprised how much he's
39:15doing it. I mean, Jorge, I have to be blunt.
39:17I mean, it's your last year, you obviously had struggles on the field and, uh, you know, you wanted to
39:24play, you wanted to get to the finish line with some dignity. Clearly, if I'm, I'm trying to remember this,
39:29it's 15 years, you know, it's been quite a while.
39:31Well, just, is this a Steinbrenner thing? Is that a Cashman thing? Is it like, like, I don't, I don't
39:37have any answers there. Uh, Joe, I, I'll try to, uh, you know, uh, Girardi was up in charge and
39:43I asked him, uh, I haven't had any answers, uh, with, you know, I haven't asked the question with, with
39:49Cashman and, you know, not even with someone.
39:53You know, you know, you're not the only one we've heard this from. And I think some people have come
39:57out, uh, some of the older players, at least one or two of them have come out and, and suggested
40:02that they, they, at least not, not that they aren't welcome, but they, they, they should, they should have more
40:08of the great players around more.
40:10There are a few, obviously, Pettit is one of them, uh, but, uh, not all of them are. I mean,
40:15obviously we know Gossage had an issue. I get that one, uh, you know, that run in, uh, with, with
40:22the GM, uh, I understand that one, but, uh, you know, you have, you've only been honest, accountable and a
40:30champion. So, uh, to me, uh, it is crazy. So anyway, so what are you doing? Would you like to
40:36be involved with somebody? I mean, you know, Joel suggests
40:40suggested, you know, you could be a great bench coach. You were, I think the bench coach in it for
40:43Italy. Right. Uh, but you, you could be a great bench coach. Uh, you know, I, I, you know, you,
40:48you obviously very successful baseball player. We don't see guys who had that kind of a career come in and
40:53be a bench coach. Uh, what, what was there a role you'd like to have in baseball? And if not,
40:59or whatever, what are you doing now? What are you up to?
41:02Yeah. With, um, you know, I was, I was working with their monies with, you know, in the dirt when
41:07they're stepped away and, you know, obviously I stepped away.
41:10Uh, but that role was, was very, very good because, um, you know, I was here in Miami, the team
41:17was in Miami. So, you know, for me, it was, uh, a lot of, uh, you know, it was comfortable.
41:26Uh, New York for me is home. Uh, but that role for me was easy because it was a special
41:30assistant to the, to the, to the owner. Uh, so, you know, that could work because I don't have to
41:39be,
41:39you know, there all the time, but, you know, if needed, obviously I will be there. Um, and obviously I
41:47can travel, uh, what am I doing? I, you know, try to stay in shape and, and travel, uh, you
41:56know, enjoy the, I mean, they're not kids anymore, but enjoy the family. And I'm a family man. I love,
42:01I love being around them. So that's what I'm doing.
42:04You know, I didn't realize it until we had this conversation where, Hey, the two people I recommended should be
42:10the bench coach are two people who are on the outs with the Yankees, right? Brett Gardner didn't like his
42:15end game either.
42:15Yeah. And he hasn't come back, uh, to the Yankees. I wonder if there's something about being too blatantly fiery
42:22and honest, uh, for, for, for, for the institution. Let me, let me ask you another big picture question. Uh,
42:29the hall of fame, uh, you kind of came and went from the ballot. Um, I'm not exactly sure that's
42:35fair. Uh, uh, I don't like how we do that. We take people off the ballot. Everyone should be on
42:40for a while.
42:41Uh, I think you can make a case for one of the 20 greatest catchers in the history of the
42:46game. Certainly one of the better switch hitting catchers in the history of the game. Uh, I guess you'll get
42:54a shot with one of these veteran committees at some point circling back. What do you, what do you think
42:59about Cooperstown?
43:00You know what is hard? Um, you know, like you said, uh, the, the voting has to change, you know,
43:09just figure it out. I mean, what really, really gets me is people that get the ballot, the people that
43:15vote and don't, don't even vote one person. That, that bugs me. You know, we play this game with a
43:23lot of integrity.
43:23Integrity. I mean, it doesn't mean that I'm, I belong, but there's a lot of people, a lot of people
43:30that belong in the hall of fame and certain people get the votes and certain people don't. What's going on?
43:39Uh, do we need to change the way we vote? 100% yes. Uh, so that's my two cents on
43:46that.
43:48Let me just say, uh, I was one of the few that voted for you. I voted for you and
43:52I voted for David Cohen because I believe it's the impact on the championships that really, I think we overlook.
43:58That's number one. Number two is we shouldn't, uh, remove anyone from the ballot who didn't get the 5%. There've
44:04been a lot of people who've got 10, Billy Wagner got 10 or 11% at one point and eventually
44:11got in.
44:12I didn't ever happen to vote for him. Uh, just because, uh, you know, as I said, uh, you know,
44:18I, I go on the impact and do I think it's a bad vote? No, I, I certainly see the
44:22case for him. And I see a case for a lot of people. I, I regret not voting for Keith
44:26Hernandez and, uh, you know, whatever. I, you're absolutely right. We need to, we do need to make changes there.
44:33Uh, you know, well, I think we've done an okay job in some circumstances, but it's ridiculous to move all
44:39the, remove all the, yeah.
44:40I mean, Lofton, Edmonds, Gritch, uh, all the Delgado, all these guys who were removed from the ballot who were
44:47very, very good cases. And, uh, you know, so obviously we, we really don't know exactly what we're doing. If
44:55you have somebody making 10 per getting 10% and then seven years later, they get 80%. So obviously something
45:02is wrong.
45:02Last question from me, not related to that. Uh, tell me, I mean, obviously the championship teams are fantastic. We
45:09know the core for the prime. Tell me something that we don't know, uh, maybe, or not know well enough
45:15about those teams that was, uh, pivotal in, in allowing them to win so many times. I mean, not only,
45:25uh, five championships, you were in the world series a couple other times. I mean, it's, it's, uh, you know,
45:31a true dynasty.
45:32I guess the Dodgers are pretty close. They've done really well, but not three in a row. They didn't get
45:37to the three in a row. There was something special about those teams.
45:40Yeah. You know, I, you know, I said it before, it was a job when, when we finished the season,
45:45win or not, we, we got to work again. Uh, it was a family. We, you know, we had the,
45:55pretty much the same team, you know, moving forward every year. And, and, you know, for us was win or
46:03else. Uh, I felt like if we didn't win, we were going to get sent out.
46:09Um, you know, if we didn't play well enough, we were going to get traded. Um, that's the way I
46:17felt, you know, I felt like he, even though I had a good year, that didn't mean anything next year.
46:24So for me, it was very important to prepare, be ready for, for the long run and the long October
46:33season for us. Uh, so it's gotta be important. It's gotta be, it's gotta be deep. It's gotta, you know,
46:42it's gotta mean a lot.
46:44And we had a lot of those players, uh, always coming back. So I felt like we had, uh, uh,
46:52like I said before, a family and we brought the same guys because those guys that were role players were
46:58very important to keeping everything together. Uh, and accountability and relentlessness, uh, grinding players are, are very few right now.
47:14Uh, amen for that. Uh, I wonder if I could wrap up. I do think one of those grinding players,
47:21uh, is the catcher of the brewers, uh, William Contreras. I, I remember doing a story at the 2000 world
47:27series, Jorge, I interviewed you and Piazza about what an advantage it is to have an offensive catcher.
47:32Somebody who, you know, when, when the other guys can, I felt was one of the reasons you two teams
47:43were playing in that world series in 2000 is because of this disparity that you two guys created.
47:48I kind of feel that way about the two way catcher. Now the guy who's great on both sides, you
47:53have a lot of guys who frame or throw, but nobody can hit. Contreras is one of the few guys.
47:58And by the way, he's almost at 1200 innings this year. He's doing this. Like, you know, like you mentioned
48:04to us, you've had some knee surgery recently, like the, the wear and tear on this.
48:08I just wonder watching this wonderful two way catcher, what you, what you're thinking about the modern catcher in general
48:14and him in specific, you know, you're talking about, you know, the, the things that, that go on notice when,
48:20when a catcher gets behind the plate. Well, yeah, he threw a guy out. He, you know, he caught the
48:25ball and he, you know, the, the ABS. Uh, but the things that stood out for me was game two.
48:31There was, there was a second and third, uh, there were, uh, Tampa had a player second and third and
48:36he blocked two balls.
48:38They were losing. They were winning three, one, those two balls get away. That game is tied. The whole series
48:44completely changes. Nobody talks about those two block balls.
48:48And that, that for me is what a catcher is, you know, keeping everything that, I mean, the running game,
48:56obviously he's amazing at it. He blocks really well. He calls a great game. I mean, you see pictures, they
49:03don't, they don't shake him.
49:04The Milwaukee Brewers pitchers do not shake him. He does a great job preparing. He does a great job analyzing
49:11that lineup. And if you have a same, seven game series, he's going to know a lot more about you.
49:18I mean, he looks, he's looking at the coaches, uh, I bet you the coaches for the Tampa Bay move
49:23when every time they, you know, uh, a grip on the pitcher, all these things. I mean, he's, he's aware
49:30of everything that goes on in the game and he is amazing. Amazing.
49:37Uh, I think that word describes Jorge Posada as well. Amazing. Amazing. Uh, you were that as a player, by
49:44the way, you were that for reporters who covered, uh, the team and, uh, anybody who listened to the past
49:5020 or so minutes knows, uh, nothing much has changed in that way. And, uh, Jorge, sincerely, uh, John and
49:56I appreciate so much you joining us.
49:58Thank you for having me and all the best. And I'm going to see you down the road.
50:02Let me, let me just second that. Uh, it was a pleasure covering you as great having you on here
50:08and you're always welcome, uh, as far as we're concerned. And I certainly hope that not only for you, for
50:14other guys that I've heard that from not publicly, but, uh, you know, I think the great players should be
50:20welcome.
50:20And you in particular, because I think you were, you know, obviously a key part of that team and, but
50:25also a great individual, I think will help the team, you know, with your, with your thoughts. And I think
50:31that about you and I'm not going to mention the other ones I've heard that from, but you're not the
50:34only one. So, uh, thank you very much for having me and, uh, all the best.
50:45John and I, of course, thank Jorge Posada for joining us on the show. John, hit or error?
50:51Uh, I'm in a good mood. I'm going to do a hit. I'm going to give it to the Brewer
50:55fans, uh, not just my nephew and my in-laws who are very excited. Uh, Christian Yellich talked about how
51:02much it means to them, uh, that the Brewers are doing this at this moment.
51:06They haven't wrapped it up yet, but we certainly expect them to first championship, uh, ever for the Brewers, uh,
51:13first in 69 years in Milwaukee. The Braves did win in 1957, but I mean, they're 41st in, uh, in,
51:22uh, market size 41st. That's like, you know, 10 markets behind the next smallest market in major league baseball.
51:30And they're yet, uh, in the top 11 or 12 in attendance. That will tell you how much this means.
51:36And here in St. Petersburg in St. Tampa, we're actually in St. Petersburg and that's where the stadium is too,
51:43or the dome is too. Uh, they had, I think 25% of the crowd.
51:48I don't know. What would you say? About 25% of the crowd. The Yankees is Florida. We got a
51:53lot of New Yorkers in Florida. I think the Yankees only had 10% of the crowd, something like that.
51:58And my, and, and Milwaukee, they traveled. It's not easy to get from Milwaukee to Tampa.
52:04It's a lot easier to get from New York, uh, Tampa. You gotta, to get from Milwaukee, you gotta drive
52:09to Chicago really to, to get here. So, uh, I give them credit for showing up. So Brewer fans get
52:15it from them. The team's good too, but I'm giving it to the fans.
52:17That's how I got here. I drove from Milwaukee to Chicago and flew here. So yes, I invited them. John,
52:23can I, uh, ask you, if you were the city of Tampa, would you be concerned you're about to build
52:29the team a stadium that like allowed at least a quarter of their, their first
52:33world series game played here since remember 2020 is a neutral side COVID since 2008. Uh, like, like I couldn't
52:41believe how many Brewer fans were at the game yesterday. This is the first, you know, you've got a chance
52:46to get back in the world series, two games to one and a quarter of the crowd at least is
52:51the other team's fans.
52:53I was expecting it, but I guess, cause I was here and they're walking around and, uh, the pack, the
52:58only people in Packer gear, they're here obviously for the brewers. And they were, they were looking a little bit
53:03sad. I think,
53:03I guess the Packers lost, but, uh, they certainly they're, uh, they felt a little bit better after, uh, the
53:0910 to one victory yesterday, but, uh, you know, with the Tampa owners right now, they're going to be in
53:13a, uh, pretty excited. I mean, they just got in here. They're in the world series. However, this turns out,
53:19it doesn't look too good for them. Uh, but they got the new stadium.
53:22The other guy was there for 20 years, more than 20 years, and he never even came close to getting
53:28a new stadium. Uh, somehow these two guys, uh, ingratiated themselves with the politicos down here and figured it out.
53:36And, uh, uh, the new stadium looks great. Uh, it isn't built yet, but the pictures of it looks great
53:43and it should be in Tampa, right?
53:45Because if it's in Tampa, you get the whole I-4 and Tampa's a bigger city. St. Pete, by the
53:50way, lovely, lovely city, but Tampa's a lot bigger, much more. I think they have five times as many big
53:56businesses. Uh, I was talking to the owner yesterday, but you also can draw from Orlando.
54:01So, although I, I wouldn't want to spend 90 minutes on that I-4, uh, myself, but I think they're
54:07expecting some people to come from Orlando. Now you can't, you can't come from Orlando to St. Pete unless you're,
54:12you know, back in a suitcase.
54:14Yeah. Just so the fans know what that's ultimately going to be on the four corners of that on Dale
54:20Mabry in Tampa is going to be the Yankee minor league complex and Steinbrenner field are two of the corners
54:26where the Buccaneers play as another corner and where the Rays play is going to be the other corner.
54:31And they're going to build like what's in Atlanta and Texas, like a little kind of like infrastructure around that
54:36of restaurants, hotels, et cetera. It's going to be a very, very high end sports area. Uh, John, it's a
54:43tough moment with the Rays down three games to none, but can I give a hit to the AL East?
54:47Uh, I was, I was just looking at it. Uh, you know, we keep talking about competitive balance. We're worried
54:53about that. It's about money. We, I know, uh, for, for, uh, for this next CBA negotiations last 10 years,
55:00every team in the
55:02AL East has won the division last 10 years, all they've all made the playoffs at least twice. Uh, last
55:0910 years, four of them have gotten to the world series. Uh, the Rays twice, the Red Sox won it
55:15every year in the last 10 years, except for 2023. Interestingly, the only year the Yankees didn't make the playoffs.
55:21They've had a team in the ALCS nine of the last 10 years. Uh, yeah, I, I, I look at
55:27this division and it has very big disparity in payrolls.
55:31Obviously Tampa Bay, Baltimore to then Toronto, Boston, and New York. We have two different countries involved in this division.
55:38Uh, and it's really like steel on steel. They make each other tougher until the world series. I, if you're
55:45looking for competitive balance, I think the greatest competitive balance is with the best division. Uh, this is the best
55:50division year on year. Uh, and Tampa Bay should giving be given credit. They've won the division in the last
55:5610 years, as much as the Yankees three and three. That's the most in the division. Uh, and they,
56:01they've gone to the world series twice. It's, it's an impressive thing within this division. Well, that's a hit on
56:06the division, but that to me is an error on the Yankees. They shouldn't be balanced with anybody. They're the
56:11New York Yankees. Let's be serious. Yep. Yeah. I mean, the one thing you could say, if you were looking
56:16for a positive is, uh, when it comes to ALCS, they've gone four times. The rest of the division has
56:22gone five in this 10 year period.
56:24Uh, but like, like, like, like, like they, but that's the problem is they get aside from the one world
56:29series. They kind of, this is like, they die at some point here. And, uh, please listen. You said it.
56:35You said it. Uh, they play eight times. They played a team with an equal or better record in the
56:39post season and they lose every single time. Uh, one time step up guys. Come on. Yeah, definitely step up.
56:46Uh, our step up guys, Tommy Hogan, our great producer, Tommy. Thank you so much.
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57:03John, the world series will be over. We'll be staring at unfortunately. Well, fortunately a month of probably heavy duty
57:09free agent and trade action. Uh, and then, uh, a lockout and we'll bring it all to you. If you
57:14stick with us on the show with Joel Sherman and John Heyman.
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