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00:02:42Thank you very much.
00:02:45And warm welcome to Women in Energy Forum on 2022.
00:02:50It's lovely to see you so many today with us.
00:02:54My name is Biljana Stojkovska.
00:02:57I'm from UK.
00:02:58I'm a chair of Women in Energy in UK and incoming vice chair of SIGR International Women in Energy.
00:03:06Today, we will start with the opening address.
00:03:10I have a great pleasure to have three distinguished speakers with me on the stage today.
00:03:16But before I introduce them, just a few words how we are planning to do this session.
00:03:21It is very important to hear the question, your feedback and your opinion.
00:03:28So there are two ways how you can do that.
00:03:30One is to log online.
00:03:34We will put, I suppose, the details on the screen.
00:03:38And you can send your questions.
00:03:41And our dear Joyce will collect the questions and we will try to address and answer as much as we
00:03:47can.
00:03:47And for those who are very brave, and I hope all of you are, you can raise your hands and
00:03:52we will take the questions from the floor.
00:03:55But on this opening address, as I said, I have a pleasure to have with me the outgoing chair, our
00:04:02dear Kaya Dioka.
00:04:04She will say a few words at the beginning.
00:04:07Then we will continue with Michel Ogunet.
00:04:11He will say a few words and then Philippe Adam at the end.
00:04:16So thank you very much for your attention and Kaya, maybe she will start with you.
00:04:22Thank you very much.
00:04:29Thank you very much.
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00:04:33Good morning, everyone.
00:04:35My name is Kaya Gazi Dioka and I'm from South Africa.
00:04:38As introduced, I'm the outgoing international chair for women in energy.
00:04:43So for the last four years, this is the person that has been bothering you with the establishment of women
00:04:49in energy in your national committee.
00:04:51My name is Kaya Gazi Dioka.
00:04:53I want to talk more about the benefits of women in energy forum for this organization and the organization that
00:05:02you come from.
00:05:03That's not necessarily secret.
00:05:07Right.
00:05:09Very good with technology sometimes.
00:05:11It looks like in Paris it doesn't like me.
00:05:15So how do we do this in Paris?
00:05:18Which one do you press?
00:05:22Which one do you press?
00:05:24My computer is back.
00:05:34All right.
00:05:35There we go.
00:05:37Right.
00:05:39So this forum was founded in 2014 by Dr. Lee.
00:05:46A great foundation she laid and we really are grateful to her for it and the support of SIGRE leadership
00:05:56at the time.
00:06:03SIGRE has supported this forum for every Paris session that we have, including the centennial session that we had last
00:06:11year.
00:06:11So we've been having the Women in Energy Forum at the time.
00:06:16Initially it was Women in Engineering and then we changed the name to Women in Energy.
00:06:21So we've been having support of central office and the leadership of SIGRE and for that we are really very
00:06:26grateful for it.
00:06:34In all these sessions, we role model women engineers.
00:06:38We want to see more women engineers.
00:06:41There is a lot of mentorship that takes place.
00:06:44You are attending the session because there is something you are going to get or get experience from somebody next
00:06:51to you.
00:06:51You are going to be mentored.
00:06:53You're going to be encouraged.
00:06:54You're going to be coached.
00:06:55And going forward, you might even have a technical expert that is going to help you grow in your technical
00:07:02environment.
00:07:03And this is the purpose of these sessions.
00:07:05We are trying to showcase your talent.
00:07:08We are trying to show the world that we have women engineers that are actively participating and taking decisions or
00:07:15rather having an input in the technical decisions that we are taking, excuse me, within SIGRE.
00:07:21So that is the purpose of this.
00:07:23Yes, we've discussed several topics in the past.
00:07:26And I remember in 2020 when the lockdown hit or rather COVID hit the world, we had a very interesting
00:07:34topic around embracing change because it was change that everybody had to embrace.
00:07:39And guess what?
00:07:40We have been asking for such.
00:07:42We've been asking for embracing change from the women perspective.
00:07:46And so when COVID hit, it was an opportunity for us to grow, to learn and to actually embrace the
00:07:51change that it brought.
00:07:52And it was a relevant topic at the time.
00:07:55And everybody else was actually taking part in it now.
00:07:58Even the technical experts that think women in energy have been trying to ask for things that are really not
00:08:04supposed to be discussed in technical forums.
00:08:06We have established several national committees, and I like what I did with that mosaic to show the flags of
00:08:18the countries that have supported.
00:08:19We have just added one about 10 minutes ago, so we actually are sitting at 30 national committees that have
00:08:26established women in energy across the country.
00:08:30Now, this is the same thing that we are trying to do.
00:08:33You want to do this on the international level, and we want you to bring it close to your national
00:08:39committee.
00:08:40And you say, how can we have active participation of women within your national committees?
00:08:46What are the challenges that we are experiencing in our country that we need to resolve?
00:08:50Because some of them are not really at an international level.
00:08:55You have your own challenges that you need to resolve within the national committee as women engineers.
00:08:59So we encourage you, if your country does, if your country flag is not there on my slide, I think
00:09:05you owe me coffee.
00:09:06Because you really haven't had that discussion with me.
00:09:10Yes, so we were supposed to have 61 of them.
00:09:13We have also another highlight in showcasing women engineers within SIGRE.
00:09:19We have introduced the Women in Energy Award in last year.
00:09:23We had our recipients last year, and so it continued even this year.
00:09:29Why do we need a forum?
00:09:31Well, we need to normalize engineering with women.
00:09:36We need to see more women engineers, because we don't have enough role models.
00:09:41In 2022, at a technical discussion level, a woman engineer is still being asked the question, where is the engineer?
00:09:51Who is the engineer behind the design review?
00:09:55The assumption is still that the woman engineer that is presenting a technical information at a technical discussion is representing
00:10:07somebody else.
00:10:08He's actually coming from a commercial background.
00:10:11So we still need to do more of normalizing, associating engineering with women.
00:10:17And you're going to do that by being out there, by doing your job, and showing other women engineers that
00:10:23you are doing that.
00:10:24And guess how are you going to do it?
00:10:27It's real stories.
00:10:28That same complicated and sophisticated woman that you probably read about and was introduced as the international chair of SIGRE,
00:10:38Women in Energy,
00:10:39that is the same woman that when she gets to ESCOM, she gets inside the transformer, because she's a specialist
00:10:46for a transformer.
00:10:46That's the same woman that has conversation about which hairstyle to do that will be comfortable with the hard hair
00:10:55that you're wearing.
00:10:56That's the same woman.
00:10:57It's the kind of discussions that we're talking about.
00:10:59It's the same woman that still wants to be gayly and have her nails done, but now has to do
00:11:05a failure investigation where not everything is looking all glamorous.
00:11:09But that's the kind of conversation we are going to have.
00:11:13It's still the same woman engineer, and we need to normalize that.
00:11:17You are not supposed to change who you are, how you do things, but you need to bring yourself to
00:11:22the table and do what ought to be done.
00:11:34From these pictures, you probably know now that I also run marathons and I've done Paris Marathon.
00:11:42When you are a woman engineer, you bring your unique self to the table.
00:11:49The same woman engineer that climbs transformers, that does design reviews, that's the same woman that still has to take
00:11:57her children and to interact with wild animals and still make sure that they don't die.
00:12:04It's the same woman that has a heart to go to an orphanage and ensure that children at an orphanage
00:12:12do not start school without school uniform.
00:12:14So you go and find school uniform and you sponsor those children so that they also have school uniform when
00:12:22they start school just like your children.
00:12:24That's your heart, the heart of the woman engineer.
00:12:27And that woman engineer is still the engineer that thinks, or rather the woman that thinks running a marathon is
00:12:33fun.
00:12:34It isn't.
00:12:35It isn't.
00:12:38I'm joking, it's fun, you should all run it.
00:12:42So what's the point?
00:12:43What's the point?
00:12:44Why am I telling you about children and everything else that's nice to talk about and instead of being technical
00:12:52and talk about the many technical bulletins that I have contributed in?
00:12:56My contributions this morning, my technical contributions this morning with Insignia.
00:13:01Why am I talking about myself?
00:13:03Well, that's the purpose of these sessions, okay?
00:13:05I talk about transformers in A2 and I take me as Kayada Zidioka into that technical discussion.
00:13:16We are trying to role model.
00:13:19And when you get to be at the table, when you are invited to be at the table to discuss
00:13:26energy transition, you are supposed to be there and not get the table to transform you.
00:13:32But your presence, your unique individual skills, you need to be taking them there to the table and make the
00:13:39change.
00:13:40And that's your unique contribution.
00:13:41You are not there to contribute like everybody else.
00:13:44The reason why you are there is because you are still the person that is passionate about your community.
00:13:52What is the impact of those solutions, the technical solutions that you are bringing on board?
00:13:57You are taking that passion with.
00:13:59You are not supposed to be transformed by the table.
00:14:04Now, we need you.
00:14:06We need you as women in energy forum of CEGRE from your national committee because you need to give the
00:14:15opportunity to somebody that is different from the usual group at the table.
00:14:20Give that opportunity to that person.
00:14:23And as a person that is given that opportunity, you need to say yes to the opportunity.
00:14:29Say yes to an opportunity even if sometimes it comes in a form of, can you please review this technical
00:14:35bulletin?
00:14:35You are going to learn that subject from the very first page until the end.
00:14:40And that's your input and that's your growth.
00:14:42And before you know it, you are actually the convener of a working group.
00:14:46I can basically, yes, that's another story that I could tell you about myself when we were having coffee with
00:14:53the other national committees.
00:14:56You need to be the leader who recognizes unique talents and capitalizes on them.
00:15:02Just now we were talking with the other phenomenon leaders within our group and we're talking about the diversity in
00:15:10our groups.
00:15:11How people will come in and we're just brainstorming ideas and they put them into a poem.
00:15:17They change whatever that we have said, they relay the message very well in a manner that everybody else is
00:15:25going to understand it better than if I, the transformer specialist, had written it down without the creative mind.
00:15:33So we need to recognize such talent and think differently about the kind of people we are inviting to the
00:15:39table and give everybody an opportunity to participate.
00:15:42And this is how we are going to grow within SIGRE.
00:15:46Please be a mentor.
00:15:48We need mentors.
00:15:50We have too many women engineers that are doing brilliant work, but we are losing them in the system.
00:15:57In the energy transition, we actually need to bring on board power system engineers.
00:16:05We need power system engineers.
00:16:06I know there is a buzzword about energy and everybody is now an energy expert.
00:16:12Where are the engineers?
00:16:13We need the engineers at the forefront and we need the women engineers to be driving that change.
00:16:20Please be at the table and mentor others and give a meaningful contribution when you are at the table.
00:16:26And this is not only for the benefit of women, but for the organization and the engineering fraternity.
00:16:34And to Philip, we are actually growing membership through WIE.
00:16:38So if you show your stats and you are really true about where those statistics are coming from, you've got
00:16:43more of the newer members coming from women in engineering.
00:16:46So that's exactly what we are doing and we are diversifying imports.
00:16:52Lastly, but not least, if when you're growing up as a young girl and you wanted to be on a
00:16:59cover page, but you ended up doing design reviews, factory assessments and climbing transformers, it's never too late.
00:17:12You can still be the face of the Paris session 2022.
00:17:17And that's me.
00:17:17Thank you very much.
00:17:18I hope you enjoyed the session.
00:17:26Thank you very much, Kat.
00:17:28This was really inspirational.
00:17:30Michel, would you like to say?
00:17:32I don't know if, yeah.
00:17:33So maybe I should just start by three numbers and maybe you will recognize them.
00:17:42I don't know if I have to give them in order, but let's say 9, 11 and 25 could be
00:17:4625, 9 and 11.
00:17:48Do these numbers mean anything to you or to anybody in the room?
00:17:53In fact, there are percentages.
00:17:54In CIGRE, 11% of the members are women.
00:18:009% participate to working groups.
00:18:05And 25%, in fact, are the leaders of the study committees, which show that women can lead more than they
00:18:13participate.
00:18:20Nevertheless, it's not 50.
00:18:23And it's probably not 50 because of another number.
00:18:26Now, this one is certainly wrong.
00:18:29I'm not saying the others are right.
00:18:32Because it's marketing.
00:18:33Sometimes, Philippe, you're going to give the right numbers.
00:18:37And the other number is 17.
00:18:39And basically, 17% is the percentage of girls who go into scientific studies, mathematics, which could lead to engineering.
00:18:49Now, I know here we're talking of energy, but still a lot of CIGRE members come from being engineers.
00:18:54And the issue is how to get more girls at that level and then more girls coming to our sector,
00:19:02which is a fantastic sector,
00:19:04because basically it's the one, as was said by our keynote speaker, that will shape humanity tomorrow.
00:19:10So it's really something which will attract a lot of people.
00:19:12And especially, thanks, Kaya, for your presentation and showing the human side, which often is better represented by women.
00:19:22To me, one of the reasons probably is that there is a big difference between us is you give birth.
00:19:28And that changes completely the perspective to human relationship.
00:19:32So how to make it that, first, we have more people going to the engineering.
00:19:36It's pretty tricky.
00:19:38You were personal.
00:19:40I have three daughters.
00:19:41I have also one son.
00:19:42He's an engineer.
00:19:43But I have three daughters.
00:19:44I've already failed twice.
00:19:47And I'm trying very hard on the third one.
00:19:51And she's as good in math as in French or history.
00:19:54So, you know, how to get her here?
00:19:56So, first, she wanted to come to Sigray.
00:20:00She's 16.
00:20:01So she attended the session and she did a bit of – now she's at school today.
00:20:05She was at the entry gate taking people.
00:20:09And she really enjoyed it.
00:20:10So it's one way of getting your daughters interested is trying to show them what it's about.
00:20:18Show them how people are lively.
00:20:20Because engineers, unfortunately, we don't have such a great image.
00:20:26In the past, yes.
00:20:27In some countries, you would say it was noble.
00:20:30And today, yeah, we're considered as sometimes the people are causing the problem,
00:20:35not the people who are bringing the solution.
00:20:37And therefore, we also have to change the perception of our profession, of our skills,
00:20:42of our – around in a world where things go very fast and people think a bit differently.
00:20:49That's also why it's very important that we have an NGN.
00:20:51And it's also why it's very important that NGN and Women in Energy work together.
00:20:56So, to me, in order that we can really attract more people.
00:20:58So, it's clear that in SIGRE, we support Women in Engineering, as you say,
00:21:03and thanks to Romay, thanks to you, and thanks to you tomorrow.
00:21:08It's clear that this will continue to take position.
00:21:11And we have you as participating to the steering committee,
00:21:15which is also one way to include your voice in the way the steering committee runs SIGRE.
00:21:22And when Steffi was at the committee, she obtained some decisions
00:21:28that would not have been obtained otherwise.
00:21:30Well, first, she obtained them because she's stubborn and persuasive,
00:21:35which is a great quality that you always have in life, especially when you fight for good causes.
00:21:43So, I think that's another question.
00:21:45It's really be persistent.
00:21:46And that's really quite a quality that we should have.
00:21:50And then the move from Women in Engineering to Women in Energy is also a very good move
00:21:54because there are many more people that can be attracted to this attention.
00:21:59And I'm very happy.
00:22:01Yesterday, I was in the French National Committee.
00:22:03Claire passed a microphone to her successor, who is a person who is not an engineer.
00:22:10I mean, nobody's perfect.
00:22:12Is an economist and has just as well a position within us.
00:22:17So, I think that's also very good to open up.
00:22:20So, I'll stay on that.
00:22:23And really, we welcome your energy.
00:22:26We welcome your contribution.
00:22:27We welcome your sensitivity.
00:22:29We welcome your diversity.
00:22:38Thank you, Michel.
00:22:49Thank you for your inspirational speech.
00:22:55Thank you, Michel, for your marketing speech.
00:22:58I'm now going to give you real figures.
00:23:05Yes.
00:23:06So, as I usually do during this...
00:23:11Does it work?
00:23:18Yes.
00:23:25Oh, yes.
00:23:26Okay.
00:23:28So, I will give you, as I usually do during this...
00:23:32session, when there is this forum, some figures about the...
00:23:37that gives an idea of the position of women in SIGRE.
00:23:43Of course, women in energy, but in SIGRE in particular, of course.
00:23:47So, this is...
00:23:49Ah, no.
00:23:50Not on your screen.
00:23:51It's on mine, but not here.
00:23:53I want to present you the pyramid of age of our association.
00:24:00Can you help me?
00:24:02You see what's on my screen?
00:24:13Thank you, Kaya, for your help.
00:24:16So, as you can see, the blue bars represent the number of men in the different age ranges.
00:24:29Of our membership.
00:24:32And the red one represents the number of women.
00:24:37The interesting thing is, the more young you are, the more ladies you have around you.
00:24:45And, oppositely, when you see the older generations, there are very few women.
00:24:54There is another way to present this figure with percentages.
00:25:01This is the next slide.
00:25:03Yes, you can get it.
00:25:05So, it is even best reflected, what I just said, when you look at this chart.
00:25:10Although, the average number, average percentage of women is now closer to 12%, it's 11.7%, better than last time.
00:25:22You can see that there is a wide diversity of proportions in your population.
00:25:34Again, one third of the youngest are women.
00:25:39That's a good sign.
00:25:41That's a good sign.
00:25:41And, well, it will be difficult to change the figures that are on the right.
00:25:49But, yes, what would be good is to maintain this level when time is going.
00:25:59Now, another figure.
00:26:02Oh, sorry, I cannot see exactly.
00:26:05Yes.
00:26:05Regarding this session, I have not the same image on my screen.
00:26:09So, if you look at this session, this 2022 session, you are, ladies, 438.
00:26:21And you represent 12% of the registered delegates, which is quite similar to the figure in membership.
00:26:31So, yes, it means that the proportion of participants is the same as for men.
00:26:40There is no difference.
00:26:42It's a good point.
00:26:44Next one.
00:26:46Yes.
00:26:48What is the participation of women in CIGRE governing bodies?
00:26:55Here, you can see that in the Administrative Council, we have, well, we have four ladies out of the 61
00:27:03who represent the 61 national committees.
00:27:08The figure is a little less than what we had in the previous years, in 2018 and 2020, when I
00:27:16made this presentation.
00:27:19It's a pity.
00:27:20And on the steering committee, it is even worse.
00:27:22We have never had so few women as we have now.
00:27:28And I can tell you, the one, this one woman, is not representing a national committee.
00:27:34She is a representative of the women in energy at the steering committee.
00:27:40So, this is something that should be corrected in the future when electing the steering committee members.
00:27:48Okay?
00:27:49Just some food for thought.
00:27:53Now, if we move to the technical council here, well, it's much better.
00:27:59The technical council in total is 21 persons, including study committee chairs.
00:28:07We have four women, which in fact are study committee chairs.
00:28:13So, they represent 19% of the technical council as a whole.
00:28:19And they represent, as was mentioned by Michelle before, so it was not a marketing figure, a real figure.
00:28:2625%, one quarter of study committee chairs are occupied by women.
00:28:36Now, if we move to more operational bodies, so that means those who do the work,
00:28:43so we have study committee secretaries, they are really doing a lot of work.
00:28:48There are not so many.
00:28:50There were three in 2018, there are two like in 2020 now, representing 13%.
00:28:58If we look at working groups, sorry, I could not get the figures for 2022.
00:29:03For some reason, I will try to explain later.
00:29:08So, working group conveners, in 2018, 10% of the positions were occupied by women.
00:29:18And now, in 2020, it has been reduced to 7%.
00:29:20And I guess that 2022 is less, but I have not the right figure.
00:29:27So, something to be improved.
00:29:31This is the job of study committees, to involve more women in convening working groups.
00:29:38Maybe women are too shy, so they need role models to be involved in this kind of convenership.
00:29:48So, now, if we look at working group members, the proportion is almost the same.
00:29:54Well, even if the number of working groups or experts in working groups is quite stable.
00:30:01So, 9%, as was also mentioned by Michel, are women.
00:30:09Yes, so now, if we look at the same figures, but sorted out by study committees, this is interesting.
00:30:19Because you see, it represents the number of women who are study committee regular or observer members.
00:30:29The proportion of them in the different study committees.
00:30:32So, it seems that in C3, there are a lot of women, 40%, which is much above the average level,
00:30:4115%.
00:30:43And there are other study committees, like C2, so Power System Operation and Control, women are not so well represented.
00:30:53The same for rotating machines.
00:30:58Okay, so, B3, I was surprised that, sorry, B2, well, is an overhead line that quite a lot of women
00:31:09are interested in.
00:31:12Okay, then I have similar figures.
00:31:17So, not study committee members this time, but working group members.
00:31:26And here, the situation is not exactly the same, but you can see that C3 really is attracting a lot
00:31:34of women.
00:31:35C3, it's Power System Environmental Performance.
00:31:42We find that the average is 9% of participation and with quite diversity, an important diversity depending on the
00:31:55study committee.
00:31:56So, again, A1, not so many women involved in working groups.
00:32:03And C3, well, well-representing.
00:32:08Next one, I think, yes, so these are my, this is my last slide.
00:32:14So, we are very happy to encourage women as role models for the future generations with this award,
00:32:26that was bestowed in 2020 for the first time.
00:32:33So, here are the first recipients in 2020.
00:32:37And those who attended the opening ceremony have seen that we have a new generation or a new series of
00:32:48recipients for this award.
00:32:53So, Kaya Kazi, Mandy Olson, I think I saw her.
00:32:57Joanne Hu, I don't know if she is here because she is very much involved in a study committee before.
00:33:05Genevieve Litz, Renuka Gerard, and Pravera de Bruna.
00:33:11Please, you, yes, you are here in the front.
00:33:14Okay, so this is the end of my presentation.
00:33:18I would like to thank you all for being in this forum.
00:33:25This forum is not only for women, so I saw, I see a lot of men also supporting these actions.
00:33:33And I hope we can, in 2024, continue on this with even better figures.
00:33:50Thank you, Michel.
00:33:51I didn't know that statistics can be so interesting.
00:33:54You did a good job. Thank you very much.
00:33:57So, I think we have now a keynote address, interesting session on energy transition.
00:34:05And we will hear perspective for diverse speakers, diverse from age and diverse from perspective from their coming.
00:34:13So, we have a speaker, Mathilde Lorette.
00:34:16She is our young participant.
00:34:18She will tell us how she sees us or transition from her perspective.
00:34:24Then, we will have Mercier Sechman.
00:34:28So, we have a gentleman to tell us how he sees that, you know.
00:34:32And then we have our Brita Buchholz, who is going to be as well our speaker.
00:34:38So, yes, maybe thank you very much for our guests and speakers on opening address.
00:34:45Sorry that I didn't tell you to take your position.
00:34:49There is no space for all of us here.
00:34:50Thank you very much again.
00:34:51Let's give another applause for them.
00:34:58Okay.
00:35:00Should we serve you?
00:35:02Yeah?
00:35:03And just don't forget, yeah?
00:35:05You know, questions and questions can come after this session.
00:35:09And, you know, we will open the floor after the keynote.
00:35:13So, Mathilde.
00:35:15Good morning.
00:35:18So, my name is Mathilde Lorette.
00:35:21Good morning.
00:35:33My name is Mathilde Lorette.
00:35:35I'm 60 years old and I'm from Paris.
00:35:37And I'm currently in première or in second year of high school.
00:35:44My hobbies are reading any kind of fiction and playing video games.
00:35:56I like school because of the friend I made there.
00:35:58But also because I like to learn and think.
00:36:02I like to search for solutions to problems that I hate when I can't find any.
00:36:09Or when I don't understand something.
00:36:12I'm very eager to learn about the world, how it works, and why things are the way they are.
00:36:18So, this is why science classes were so interesting for the young me.
00:36:25Far more than grammar and spelling, which I hated at the time.
00:36:29With time, French classes became more literary and I grew more interested in soft science than in hard science.
00:36:35That's why this year I chose majors that are literature and philosophy, English and history and geography,
00:36:42much to the disappointment of my father, who is himself an engineer at RTE and who failed me too.
00:36:52Last 8th of March, I took a part in an event made by the CIGRE, Women in Energy and Next
00:36:58Generation Network,
00:36:59where I was kindly invited by Saori Conchet and Claire Lajoie.
00:37:03I was interrogated on my point of view on intergenerationality and interculturality.
00:37:09And my answer was that it's hard to work with people from a different culture or a different generation,
00:37:14but it is worth the trouble because they bring a different point of view and different way of thinking
00:37:19and an additional knowledge that benefits the group and the collective intelligence.
00:37:27It was proved by several scientific studies that in a group, people with very different points of view and opinions
00:37:33get a better answer than a group of people with similar opinion at a random guess.
00:37:38And it's also proved that the collective intelligence of a group increased with the number of women.
00:37:44This phenomenon is explained by the fact that they have a better social sensitivity on average,
00:37:49which helps the circulation of ideas along.
00:37:52And during this event, I was also asked what I wanted to find in a future job.
00:37:58I aspire to work as a publisher and editor.
00:38:01I'm a bookworm and I would very much love to work as a creation of books.
00:38:05My will to work as an editor comes from the frustration of reading books with sometimes poor character
00:38:11and realm development, as well as books with errors or inconsistencies.
00:38:15I believe that books and stories within truly contribute to make the world a better place
00:38:21by making people learn, love, cry, travel, grow.
00:38:25It would be an honor to contribute to share culture and entertainment through books.
00:38:30On a larger scale, in any job, I would like to find a feeling of usefulness
00:38:35and the feeling that what I do, no matter how small it is, matter at some point.
00:38:40And I would like to work for a fair company with values similar to mine,
00:38:44which are diversity of profiles, equality of treatment and respect.
00:38:48For example, I would never work for a weapon company.
00:38:53At the contrary, what I expect in the future for companies, especially in companies that provide public services such as
00:38:59energy companies,
00:39:00is to set an example by providing a more suitable environment for employees, especially females.
00:39:08I hope to see almost equal salaries between men and women, a better consideration for women,
00:39:15which means that women don't have to be considered to always be mother or future mother,
00:39:19and even if they are, it doesn't affect the quality of their work.
00:39:24I would like to see less pressure on appearances for everybody, but especially on women.
00:39:30I would like to see more women at important jobs.
00:39:33I once heard that in the UK job company's head there was more men called Steve than women with any
00:39:39name,
00:39:39and I don't know if it's true, but that's scary because it's believable.
00:39:46I would like to see a better handling of bullying, which leads to less bullying,
00:39:51and a better access to same studies on any kind of studies for women, which...
00:39:58and a better access to men in care jobs, or jobs that are women, which would put everybody closer to
00:40:06equality.
00:40:08Thank you very much for listening to me.
00:40:10A special thank you to Claire and Kayakazi for giving me the opportunity to speak in front of you all.
00:40:15I would have enjoyed very much attending many conferences this afternoon,
00:40:19but unfortunately I start school in two hours.
00:40:22applause
00:40:42Thank you very much. Excellent.
00:40:45Wonderful, thankyou.
00:40:47Thankyou.
00:41:08Thankyou
00:44:17So I think this computer runs only with women fingers.
00:44:28It's my great pleasure to be here.
00:44:30Thank you very much for Kayakazi and Brita and Sonanjito for inviting me.
00:44:37I would like to give some TC Council, technical Council views for you, so perhaps to help you
00:44:46in setting up this energy transition group that you are aiming at and giving some...
00:44:53I'm not going to follow my presentation.
00:44:56It's a very short presentation.
00:44:59Would you like to try?
00:45:03But I could start speaking for you about energy transition, the TC views on energy transition.
00:45:12So when this movement started a few years ago was really to promote the replacement of fossil fuels by clean
00:45:29and renewable energy, especially renewable energy.
00:45:32So this was the initial movement.
00:45:35But then all this digitalization process that came across, the ESG approach which came across, so everything is mixed together
00:45:50in what we call it energy transition.
00:45:54So it's a transition, so it's a transition, so it's a transition not only for energy, but it's a transition
00:45:58from mentality.
00:46:00If we look at what ESG is doing is to give a social content for business, for governance of entities,
00:46:10which is quite necessary.
00:46:12We need to integrate, we need to look for the humanity, we need to look for poor countries which are
00:46:21desperately needing more assistance, more health assistance, more energy.
00:46:28So all this movement is transition.
00:46:31Transition is a word that has been so widely used that sometimes we prefer to use, I'm trying to be
00:46:40provocative for you now, not using the word transition, but transformation perhaps is better.
00:46:47Because transition is something that you are in a transition from one job to another, so from A to B,
00:46:54you are transitioning from your old house to your new house.
00:46:58And this transition that we are facing now is, we don't know where really to go or what's going to
00:47:06be the achievable, so we are in a world of transformation.
00:47:11And this is what I would like to tell you about our TC views.
00:47:18We are establishing in the TC a strategic advisory group, this year we started.
00:47:25It's composed by, it's composed by, composed by international entities, we are calling top leaders, top manufacturers, leaders, because in
00:47:40the end, at the end, the electrical systems, they are an equipment-based sector.
00:47:46So if, no matter if, no matter if the regulation is good, if the government is good, but if we
00:47:55don't have good equipment, the electricity supply is not going to be delivered to the society.
00:48:01And this is our main goal.
00:48:03So we call out four top manufacturer leaders, and at the level of chief technology officers, so they can really
00:48:14share with us the technological development, what they are thinking about future equipment, the digital content of new equipment,
00:48:26and how can we improve our processes, our monitoring systems, etc.
00:48:37We also called an international consultant entity, and we called also international testing laboratory, high voltage laboratory.
00:48:50So it's, we also called an international technology program, and the global system.
00:48:52Plus, one representative from women and energy, I think, Prita, is going to be our representative in that group.
00:49:02And one member of the NGN.
00:49:06So what, what's the objective of this strategic advisory group?
00:49:11is really to help SIGRE in the development of its new strategic plan
00:49:18because all this transformation and the pandemic era,
00:49:26the pandemic period of two years,
00:49:30it has taught us how fragile can we be
00:49:35in front of something that we are not expecting.
00:49:39And we were so concerned about SIGRE, about our future,
00:49:45that we have started to think how can we be more robust
00:49:49and how can we really be in line with what is needed
00:49:55to be objective and to attract you more to SIGRE
00:50:01and to attract more people to SIGRE.
00:50:03We need people, we need good people.
00:50:05So this is my message for you,
00:50:10that the TC is worried and concerned about what's going on,
00:50:17how SIGRE should be shaped in the short term,
00:50:24medium term, long term.
00:50:25And we are going to use this group as a machine to help SIGRE in that.
00:50:33And we are also, because we have this Women in Energy representative,
00:50:39so if you are going to set up your group,
00:50:42there is a good interaction that we can make for the benefit of all.
00:50:46So thank you very much for your attention.
00:50:55Thank you very much, Marcio.
00:50:57Brita, I think, I hope your representation will work.
00:51:03You should.
00:51:04Okay.
00:51:04I hope so.
00:51:05I need to open it, though.
00:51:07One second.
00:51:20Thank you very much.
00:51:41So, we are on.
00:51:43There's too many open presentations before, so sorry, Marcio.
00:51:48Yeah, so very warm welcome also from my side.
00:51:52I'm Brita Buchholz.
00:51:53I work with Hitachi Energy.
00:51:55And I have the real, real pleasure to chair the Women in Energy Net Zero initiative
00:52:00that we a little bit started last year when Claire and I had the pleasure to be here
00:52:05in the Palais de Congrès, more or less alone, honestly, broadcasting the session.
00:52:09And on Sunday, we finally kicked it off.
00:52:13And I was overwhelmed, I can tell you, by the joining members.
00:52:18So saying that, well, this is us.
00:52:22So we are the Women in Energy Net Zero initiative.
00:52:25And you can see this is an overwhelming diversity of backgrounds.
00:52:32So we said we need an initiative that kind of complements the work, the great work that
00:52:39CIGRE is doing in the energy transformation with different perspectives.
00:52:43And one different perspective, as we have seen in the numbers, obviously, is a female perspective,
00:52:48a female engineering perspective.
00:52:51On the other hand, in CIGRE, we typically have mostly engineers, and we thought we need
00:52:56to extend that in order to have a successful energy transformation.
00:53:00We need other lenses, other views from legal, from economics, from academia, also from social
00:53:09scientists, environmental specialists, and also from marketing and communications perspective,
00:53:15because we need to communicate our knowledge, the great expertise that CIGRE has into the world
00:53:21towards politicians, towards society, actually.
00:53:25You see that not all of those figures have a title.
00:53:29So if you miss one, that's you.
00:53:31So we also need you.
00:53:32We are open to further backgrounds.
00:53:35And I already got responses on people who want to join us and also people who say somebody's
00:53:40missing.
00:53:40So please get back to us.
00:53:43Well, that's us again.
00:53:45So that's the real us.
00:53:46That was the kickoff meeting on Sunday, where we had 12 great women in the room here in
00:53:52Palais de Congrès, those who found the room.
00:53:54We made it.
00:53:56And we kicked off the initiative together online and live.
00:54:00You see in the background, we had a teams meeting.
00:54:03And again, I was overwhelmed by the experience we have in the room, by the different ages,
00:54:08like PhD students, as well as very senior members of the advisory council and others, so the full
00:54:15range and to grow.
00:54:17And we also have practically all continents here.
00:54:21So you see the countries that are there.
00:54:23I kind of say the same as Kaya.
00:54:26If you don't find your country there, please come to me and please volunteer to join us.
00:54:32We have the impression that not all national committees even kind of realize that.
00:54:37I know that everybody got it, but so if this has slipped through your attention, please
00:54:43come to us and nominate further people to join us.
00:54:48So what do we want to do?
00:54:49People are asking, what do you do different than others?
00:54:51Well, I think one key thing to success is storytelling.
00:54:55So we want to start the initiative with collecting stories from all over the world, stories, individual
00:55:02stories, how does climate change impact the energy sector or impact your personal life?
00:55:08And in the kickoff already, we collected stories from Australia.
00:55:12You all know about the wildfires there, about the flooding, from Brazil, from India, from Bosnia
00:55:18and Herzegovina and from South Africa.
00:55:20So this is what we have already after the kickoff.
00:55:24And the photo you see here is from Australia, from Jennifer Crisp, our colleague here, who
00:55:29shared with us that photo she took while driving of the huge wildfires happening there last year.
00:55:37And we collect more stories.
00:55:39The intention is that we want to show what's happening.
00:55:42We want to make people not only understand it cognitive, but like to feel it and say we must
00:55:46change and this is not the future.
00:55:48This is happening now.
00:55:50And we must change it because we are responsible for that.
00:55:54The second part of this initiative is on the solution side.
00:55:59So how do we accelerate energy transformation?
00:56:02And this has been discussed all over the week and I hope it will still be discussed today
00:56:05and tomorrow and long after that.
00:56:08So we want to share best practices.
00:56:11This is not a group that agrees on something.
00:56:14This is a group that shares best practices.
00:56:17And we started already in the kickoff with the key introductions of new materials.
00:56:23I know there's a whole study committee working on this here.
00:56:26We also talked a lot about how can we design the power system better.
00:56:29And this is something where CIGRE is really good at.
00:56:32So we do have that.
00:56:33But on the other hand, we said, what is the best practice on communicating?
00:56:38And so I saw the sketch.
00:56:40So I asked our artist here in the booth, I said, couldn't you give us a sketch on that
00:56:45rather than the typical engineering drawings?
00:56:47And within half hour, she did that.
00:56:49So I was really fascinated.
00:56:52And I think with that, we reach more people.
00:56:54So we reach people.
00:56:55This is a sketch of us, but we could do a sketch of the energy transformation or whatever.
00:57:00And the other one is we have a poet among us in this group.
00:57:04So I asked her, why don't you write a nice poet for us?
00:57:07And she did.
00:57:07So we do have the first Women in Energy Net Zero poem, which I will share with you after
00:57:15the slide.
00:57:16And so if you have some minutes and you want to really get touched, I was almost crying
00:57:21when I read it, to be honest.
00:57:22So then please take your time and read it.
00:57:25And so the next steps is we will develop these perspectives from different lenses.
00:57:32So I work a lot with design thinking, and I think we should use those approaches to see,
00:57:37OK, we have different backgrounds.
00:57:38We look at the same challenge from different angles, and we will form groups to do that after
00:57:45this week.
00:57:46And we found out we are diverse, really diverse, but not diverse enough.
00:57:50So there are still members missing, and so we will try to recruit people with different
00:57:56backgrounds, again, from different countries who are not yet a member of us.
00:58:00And this is why I'm happy to have all of you here.
00:58:02So if you're interested, please come to us.
00:58:07So this is actually the last slide on the content.
00:58:11And then I would like to show you this poem.
00:58:13I will not read it.
00:58:14That takes too long.
00:58:15We don't have time for that.
00:58:16And honestly, I would like the poet to read it herself, but she's not here in the room.
00:58:21So I will show it to you.
00:58:23And please take a bit of a time, read it, or take a photo of it, take it back.
00:58:27And yeah, and I think this is what we all should do.
00:58:32Let's work together.
00:58:33Let's get inspired.
00:58:34And let's make this energy transformation happen all together.
00:58:47If you leave the poem on for a minute, please.
00:58:54Should I read it?
00:58:58Okay.
00:59:01So I will read.
00:59:04I will try.
00:59:04She will do it much better.
00:59:06I had a vision, a vision of trees abundantly nesting the sky's patterns as the rusty sun dipped below the
00:59:13horizon.
00:59:15I had a vision, a vision of rivers flowing unbashfully, navigating the valley's meanders, as the forest friends dipped their
00:59:25heads to quench their thirst.
00:59:28I had a vision, a vision of children playing, playing without care, as children ought to, taking heart in the
00:59:35certainty that their future was bright.
00:59:38It's 2050, and I'm in awe at how this vision is not only a reality, but a beautiful home we
00:59:46have gifted to our next generations.
00:59:48The dream of possibility has become a reality, through leaving no sacrificial times behind.
00:59:57In unison, not as a company, not as a country, not even as a continent, but as a human race,
01:00:04we strove towards an ambitious hope of sustaining our home for tomorrow.
01:00:09And now, tomorrow is here.
01:00:12The journey has been arduous.
01:00:14It has felt stripped of success, promise at every turn, but we have reached 2050, and 2050 has reached us.
01:00:23Through our united vision, through our sincere and honorable intent, through our commitment to bearing fusion to our innovative ideas,
01:00:32through ensuring that nobody will be left behind, and safeguarding everyone in the journey.
01:00:39We have reached a 2050, and with a promise of a 2100.
01:00:56Thank you very much, Britta.
01:00:58It's an inspirational poem.
01:01:00I hope this will give you inspiration for a few questions.
01:01:05Time-wise, we are doing okay before we then do a lunch break.
01:01:11So, Joyce, do we have any questions online?
01:01:25Do you want to read it?
01:01:28I need to take my glasses to see it.
01:01:38Okay.
01:01:41A question is, how are we supposed to have more women when the voting majority are old men?
01:01:53Okay, so how are we supposed to have more women when the voting majority are old men?
01:01:59Who is happy to take this question?
01:02:03Maybe the gentleman in the first row?
01:02:07Michelle, Philippe, any goes, any tries?
01:02:16I don't know if the question was about the majority in Cigre or in the majority elsewhere,
01:02:21because, I mean, that could be a question.
01:02:23But, okay, please, then.
01:02:32So, here you showed the graph.
01:02:34So, Mr. Adam, you showed the graph, actually, where we had the ages.
01:02:38So, most of them actually were in the 50-something, you know, that were actually born when Switzerland didn't have
01:02:45votes for women.
01:02:46So, I was like, so how actually can we have more committee members, steering committee members, when, you know, the
01:02:55voting is made by the members themselves and the members in majority are actually what I call old men.
01:03:03But, yeah, it's a definition, let's say, that is quite large.
01:03:07But still, how are we supposed to do that?
01:03:11Okay, I don't know if it's there.
01:03:13I'd rather go to Marcio, if he's in the room.
01:03:16It's in the composition of the steering committee.
01:03:18It's people volunteer.
01:03:20And the question really, and I don't think it's so much a question of vote, is how many people volunteer
01:03:25to join a steering committee.
01:03:27And then some people are selected basically on skills.
01:03:32And so, I personally don't participate to that.
01:03:35But I don't think there are any restrictions.
01:03:38So, it doesn't work on a vote basis, basically.
01:03:41It's true that if we stay 11%, statistically, you would have 11% of women because that's the amount of
01:03:49people in CIGAE.
01:03:49But it's not linked to age.
01:03:52And the participation to the working groups is really very open.
01:03:58And I think in the long term, we're considering if we could expand the number.
01:04:02However, we haven't put any – we could do that.
01:04:07We've done it for distribution, say that you should have at least so many women in a working group.
01:04:11We haven't done that way.
01:04:13It's something we can think about.
01:04:16But it's not the case today.
01:04:20On age, and to me, when I look at 33% in the younger age bracket, my real concern is
01:04:29how come we lose – or in the future, we should certainly not lose and keep that conversion.
01:04:35To me, that's really – well, you know, we can't come back to Switzerland and vote for women.
01:04:40Same in France, it was 1945.
01:04:42I wasn't born then yet.
01:04:43But the fact is that, yeah, how can we do it that we keep that 33% on board?
01:04:50It's not 50, but it's better than what we have today.
01:04:53And I think that's really the challenge, and it's probably something on which we have to work, both women in
01:04:58energy, both NGN, because there you cross the two, and clearly the overall responsibility of SIGRE.
01:05:07So it's – maybe I'm not answering.
01:05:08Maybe Philippe wants to give a different answer, or a complete answer, should I say.
01:05:13It's always going to be complete.
01:05:14Yes, thank you, Michel.
01:05:16I would like to complete what Michel said.
01:05:18The way SIGRE recruits its members, its experts, or study committee members, working group members, these people, they come from
01:05:34national committees.
01:05:36So national committees are fueling these different bodies of SIGRE.
01:05:42Working groups, study committees, even the administrative council, and the steering committee, which is just a selection of persons in
01:05:51the administrative council.
01:05:54So you ladies who have representatives or women in energy groups in your national committees, influence your national committees so
01:06:06that they propose women for all these positions.
01:06:12And this – you could see in the figures that at nowhere we have zero percent, or maybe once.
01:06:20It means that it is possible.
01:06:22Some do.
01:06:23So why don't your national committee would appoint women in those different positions?
01:06:29So it is not these old men that decides.
01:06:33It is the national committees that decide.
01:06:36That's what I wanted to clarify.
01:06:42Thanks, Philippe and Michel, and if I might compliment that – and please, Philippe, correct me if I'm wrong –
01:06:50there is very often the perception that it must be the chair of a national committee
01:06:58to be represented in the committee to be represented in the admin council, but this is not the case.
01:07:01So the national committee can elect a member to represent it in the admin council, and even if not many
01:07:09of the chairs are women – there are some, but not many – they could definitely say,
01:07:14well, we do want to increase diversity in the admin council, and we do elect a female person to represent
01:07:23us, and it does not necessarily be the chair.
01:07:27So that's maybe something that some people might not know or might perceive differently, and I would also encourage everyone
01:07:34to please volunteer for such positions.
01:07:36I think we need to start at the top, honestly.
01:07:38So because once we have enough females in these top positions, the rest will follow.
01:07:43I mean, this is really something we must start at the top and get a female representation in the admin
01:07:48council, in the steering committee,
01:07:51and the technical council will do quite well, so this is the way to go, in my opinion.
01:07:58Joyce, do we have another question, maybe?
01:08:00Okay.
01:08:08Okay, should we do a question from the floor, huh?
01:08:12Okay, you have it.
01:08:13Okay, ready.
01:08:13It's fine.
01:08:13Excellent.
01:08:16So, Britta, I found your talk about the Net Zero Initiative very inspiring, particularly the different ways of communicating,
01:08:22and then to Michelle's point about how do we keep younger people, that 33%, which I totally agree,
01:08:28that's where we should focus, is keeping new people, making sure we don't lose them along the way.
01:08:33And this is my first time attending CIGRE.
01:08:35I've been to many other technical conferences.
01:08:37I have to say I was absolutely shocked by how traditional, how many rules there are.
01:08:42There's a paper, a contribution, everything is very difficult to get involved, honestly.
01:08:47So, is it a goal, or can it be a goal?
01:08:50How can we make these new ways of communicating more ingrained in CIGRE that you have shown?
01:08:56Because I think that would really do a lot to help keep this not only bigger proportion of women,
01:09:02but also other diverse candidates who maybe aren't so used to this more traditional way of communicating,
01:09:08way of contributing in CIGRE.
01:09:11Yeah, thanks for that question.
01:09:12I couldn't agree more.
01:09:14So, I think we are, well, there is a reason why there are certain things so traditional,
01:09:18and I must say as industries we also like that in a way,
01:09:22because it's also kind of a safe ground to move in this energy sector.
01:09:28That's good.
01:09:29Nonetheless, I think we definitely need to find these agile ways of how we communicate today,
01:09:35and I think there are a couple of initiatives in the committees to approach that.
01:09:42So, does anyone from the CIGRE board want to answer that?
01:09:52Marcio, Philippe?
01:09:55Okay.
01:09:56So, but we take that and definitely think we need to engage,
01:09:59and if you have good ideas, like, I think we can always complement formats.
01:10:03So, we have these certain formats we have,
01:10:05and then it's a matter of adding additional agile formats to get that done.
01:10:10What I personally do in our company,
01:10:12I encourage everyone to go first for contributions.
01:10:15So, everyone who hasn't had time to enroll in all this paper two years ahead,
01:10:20I say, look, contribute three minutes, stand up, show yourself, say, hello, here it's me.
01:10:26This is where I work on, and then you're part of the network.
01:10:29And I think we might work on that to get it a bit more agile.
01:10:34Thank you very much, Mita.
01:10:36Do we have any other questions from the audience?
01:10:39The lady now.
01:10:47Hi.
01:10:48My name is Elin.
01:10:49I'm from Sweden.
01:10:50I work for Hitachi Energy.
01:10:51This is maybe more a question to the men,
01:10:54because I think we talk a lot about women being role models for the change,
01:10:59but how do you see your role to include more women into energy?
01:11:10Well, as I said, national committees provide the resources.
01:11:17They fuel all our bodies, including the working groups, study committees, and so on.
01:11:24Whenever a working group is created, the central office sends a message to all national committees.
01:11:30And in this message, I don't know if they read it, because they see it too many times.
01:11:38But it is clearly mentioned, if you appoint a young NGN, you can have two instead of one.
01:11:45And please, consider sending a woman to this working group.
01:11:53So what can we do, in addition to that, to promote the participation of women?
01:12:01This is just for the working group level.
01:12:05But it is exactly the same.
01:12:06We do not say that to national committees when they are asked to propose study committee members every second year.
01:12:13We do that.
01:12:14We consult them.
01:12:15Well, we do not say, well, think about promoting or proposing women.
01:12:21We hope they will select the best people.
01:12:26So if on their basis, among their members, there are not enough women to be appointed in these different positions,
01:12:37what can we do?
01:12:38So really, it is at the national committee level that women have to be proposed.
01:12:45Here, at the central office, at the international level, we collect what we are given.
01:12:53And we try to promote.
01:12:55Organizing this event is something we promote as well, as you know.
01:13:00So if you have more ideas of what we could do, well, they are welcome.
01:13:11Thank you very much.
01:13:13Before I read this question, I have one question for Mathilde before she goes to school back.
01:13:17So tell me, what are you going to tell to your friends in the school?
01:13:21How we make feel you today?
01:13:23What are you going to tell them?
01:13:25What you did today?
01:13:26How you make feel today?
01:13:28Who you met?
01:13:29How this energy relates to you?
01:13:31What are you going to tell them in the school?
01:13:32It was great.
01:13:34Okay.
01:13:36It's a great experience.
01:13:38I met with really great people.
01:13:42It was a great moment.
01:13:46Would you tell them to consider to look in engineering as a career?
01:13:49Yeah.
01:13:50Yeah, excellent.
01:13:51That's it.
01:13:51Good.
01:13:52Thank you very much.
01:13:53Just before she goes to school.
01:13:55Thank you very much.
01:13:56We have another question.
01:13:59Is there any cross-relations between Women in Energy and other global women network in energy,
01:14:05such as GW, NET, who also have mentoring programs for Women in Energy?
01:14:10This is for somebody who knows the BODE program.
01:14:12Who would be happy to answer this question?
01:14:19Prita, do you know the answer?
01:14:21Well, I'm personally a member of BODE, so very often these links are just to personal members.
01:14:27I am not aware of a formal member or relationship with them.
01:14:31But look, I mean, having a network is really important.
01:14:36Having the whole secret network is important.
01:14:38Having a network in your country is very important because there are so many cultural differences
01:14:43in the different countries of what is really needed.
01:14:46And certainly there are different female networks around.
01:14:51I mean, my recommendation is to get engaged in one or two, but not in too many,
01:14:55because otherwise the networking won't work.
01:14:58Yeah.
01:14:59So I think at this stage we try to do our best within this Women in Energy and Seagree.
01:15:05We have a company network like probably many other companies.
01:15:08So we do link the company female network or network to accelerate female talents with the Seagree activities.
01:15:16That's one certain link that I recommend everyone with their own companies to do the same.
01:15:21Yes, and other than that, it's really a personal thing, whom you know, whom you like,
01:15:26who is active in your city, in your environment.
01:15:29So I would recommend to take the one that fits best to you and then get engaged,
01:15:33because a network means you give and take.
01:15:36And it's always first that you give, and then a while after that you take back.
01:15:40So that would be my advice here.
01:15:43Okay.
01:15:44Thank you very much.
01:15:46Yes.
01:15:47I couldn't agree more, Britta.
01:15:49I'm completely in phase with you.
01:15:51I was just effectively giving my testimony,
01:15:55because I am both in Women in Energy Seagree,
01:15:59and I totally Women in Energy as well.
01:16:03And I was fortunate to participate to the launch of a new initiative from the World Bank
01:16:11in the Southeast region.
01:16:14The name is WePower.
01:16:16And we were both IEEE and Seagree to explain why it was so important to have Women in Energy.
01:16:24So, of course, we know each other, and this just had a much larger network.
01:16:30But we can't be everywhere at the same time.
01:16:35So, of course, we know it's not a competition.
01:16:38It's just, of course, complementary things,
01:16:42and it's very important to know each other and to be aware that we need all of that
01:16:49to be more effective together.
01:16:52Okay.
01:16:54Okay.
01:16:57Thank you very much, Claire.
01:16:59I think this is the end of the questions.
01:17:02We have now time for lunch and for the photo session.
01:17:06Okay.
01:17:07And we are coming back at...
01:17:08Can you check the agenda for me, please?
01:17:1212.40.
01:17:13Okay.
01:17:14See you at 12.40.
01:17:15Thank you very much again.
01:17:16Thank you for all the speakers, and see you later.