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JAKARTA, KOMPAS.TV - Usai mengakhiri penantian panjang selama 35 tahun, Timnas Indonesia akhirnya kembali merasakan manisnya gelar juara di FIFA ASEAN Cup 2026. Namun bagi John Herdman, trofi ini bukanlah akhir dari perjuangan, melainkan awal dari mimpi yang lebih besar.
Kini, sang pelatih bertekad membawa Garuda terbang lebih tinggi, menembus batas dan menantang panggung sepak bola dunia.
Berikut wawancara eksklusif jurnalis Kompas TV, Aliefia Malik, bersama pelatih Timnas Indonesia, John Herdman.
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Kini, sang pelatih bertekad membawa Garuda terbang lebih tinggi, menembus batas dan menantang panggung sepak bola dunia.
Berikut wawancara eksklusif jurnalis Kompas TV, Aliefia Malik, bersama pelatih Timnas Indonesia, John Herdman.
Baca Juga Filosofi John Herdman di Timnas Indonesia: Budaya Sebelum Taktik di https://www.kompas.tv/olahraga/696430/filosofi-john-herdman-di-timnas-indonesia-budaya-sebelum-taktik
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00:30Alivia Malik bersama pelatih Timnas Indonesia, John Hartman, untuk Anda.
00:3535 tahun Indonesia menanti trofi dan berakhir lewat gelar perdana Piala FIFA ASEAN Cup 2026.
00:45Di balik kemenangan itu ada John Hartman, pelatih yang sempat membawa Kanada kembali ke Piala Dunia.
00:53Saya Alivia Malik dan berikut perbincangan kami dengan Coach John Hartman.
00:57Hai Coach, bagaimana kamu?
01:01Kabar baik.
01:02Kabar baik.
01:03Kalau di kultur Indonesia kita bilang sudah makan.
01:07Sudah makan.
01:08Sudah makan, sudah sarapan?
01:10Sudah sarapan.
01:13Yes.
01:14Any other sentences you've learned?
01:20Saya boleh minta kopi dan susu.
01:25That is just perfect.
01:29That's very standard.
01:31Formal Indonesia.
01:32Yes, it's perfect.
01:34Okay.
01:35I want to say congratulations for finally bringing Indonesia its first title in 35 years.
01:43So, I see that Indonesian fans have a massive expectation towards the football scene here.
01:55So, how do you handle that pressure and turning it into a fuel for a positive fuel maybe for the
02:04players?
02:07Well, it's the reason I came here.
02:10It's the reason we do what we do.
02:13It's that pressure, that expectation, the scrutiny and the consequence.
02:20It's what drives you to push limits for your players, push your own boundaries.
02:26But just to show people when you do it, what's possible, what really is.
02:32I think the expectation here is born out of a frustration, a starvation of just not feeling the success frequently
02:42enough.
02:43And when you've been six finals and not won a final, I can imagine that's just years of buildup, of
02:51hurt.
02:51It's generations, generations that haven't been able to celebrate together.
02:56So, listening to a man in the airport telling me he was able to celebrate the trophy win with his
03:07son and his dad.
03:10So, a generation sat around the TV watching.
03:14This is what it's about.
03:15It's just about reminding Indonesians that we can, it's possible, and you inspire hope.
03:25I mean, I've been a kid myself, I've been a football fan myself, where England's 1990 World Cup inspired me
03:35to go on and be a football player, coach.
03:38It's moments that only sport can bring something out of people, and that's what drives us.
03:47Not the pressure of it, I guess.
03:49It's just the opportunity that comes the other side of success.
03:54You know you can make people feel stronger, happier.
03:59So, it's basically the possibility of rising from the ashes, as you would say.
04:06Yeah, I think it is rising from the ashes, but once you've risen from the ashes, you put it somewhere
04:15where somebody else has to take it to another place.
04:18And then somebody else has to take it further, and I think this is, this journey, this country zone, I
04:24think Pak Yerik Tohye, his vision for football in this country has helped take it to a level, and we're
04:33now taking it to that next level.
04:36And that next level will be the 2030 World Cup.
04:41That's, that's the mission.
04:43Yeah.
04:44I'm going to get to that later, but before we get to it, I have several questions I'd like to
04:51break down to you, not only about interpersonal dynamics within the team, but also how you, how you manage to,
05:01because from what I have seen, the way you direct, not direct,
05:10the way you coach your team, from New Zealand, Toronto, the Canadian men, women, you put culture first, before tactics,
05:21the way I see it.
05:24Always.
05:24So, how do you adjust that when you come to Jakarta?
05:28For me, high performance is high performance.
05:32We're in the business of human performance, right?
05:36But we're in a very unique field, because this group of athletes, this group of society become situational narcissists.
05:49Because of the realities of what they deal with, they're in a very unique lifestyle that they have scrutiny every
05:59day.
05:59They get idolized or hated, one or the other.
06:03They have people offering their money.
06:06They have people taking money away.
06:09They are, every day, comparing themselves with other people, so they become very protective.
06:17They can become very insular.
06:20And that goes against everything that great teams are about.
06:25Great teams are people who surrender their eagles, who sacrifice for a greater good,
06:31who are willing to mask your weaknesses and heighten your strengths in the goal of a common cause.
06:39That's not what modern sport is.
06:42Really?
06:43Well, if you look at most athletes, they're in survival mode.
06:47They're surviving day in, day out to keep their job, to keep their jersey, to keep their playing minutes,
06:55to keep the fans off their back or to keep the fans happy, to get another contract.
07:01to get a better contract.
07:03I mean, this is, this is part of, I think, the fight of many athletes.
07:09And if you listen to the modern athlete now, if anyone listens to high performance podcasts,
07:15and you listen to a professional footballer, they'll tell you, we're in survival mode.
07:22We're surviving.
07:23Is that how you see most of the players here?
07:25Yes, without a doubt.
07:26It's, it's a survival reality.
07:29They're in a very privileged position because of the wealth and they get to do what they enjoy.
07:37But they only enjoy it when they're playing.
07:40Yes.
07:40They only enjoy it when the fans are writing nice things.
07:44Yeah.
07:44And when they're getting paid what they feel they're worth.
07:47So, when you talk about the element of culture before tactics, for me, it's about tapping into each individual
07:55and understanding where they're at in this cycle, how far down the continuum are they this way or they're on
08:06this side of it.
08:07Are they okay?
08:09And then all of us, every human, operates at their best.
08:14So, if you want creativity, if you want connection, if you want people to work as a team together, they
08:21have to feel safe.
08:23You have to feel safe.
08:24You don't work collectively if you don't feel safe.
08:29And safety at the heart of that is trust.
08:32And trust is elements of a culture that you create, a brotherhood, a sisterhood, where you agree some common values.
08:41And those common values aren't words, they become actions.
08:45And those actions are celebrated because the coach is bringing attention to those things.
08:49And you build leaders within the team that you know espouse those values.
08:55And you remind the leaders that they do that constantly.
09:00Then you build rituals, routines that bring people together, silly things that we'll do in our environment, fun activities that
09:08every day, they have to connect.
09:10They don't get a choice.
09:12Whether we've won, lost, drawn a game, they have to spend time in a way that's more than just football.
09:20So that's part of the culture before tactics because you can have tactics and you can put tactics before culture.
09:30That's true.
09:31So the reality is when things get tough on the field and inevitably in high performance sport they do, teams
09:41disconnect under pressure, under fatigue.
09:44So the stronger this is, the less disconnect you get in the inevitable heat that comes.
09:54So if you want somebody to really focus on their job on the field, you have to remove the distractions
10:03of the internal competition, the internal fights.
10:09So that's what we do.
10:12So the culture is the foundation.
10:15Yeah, the foundation is a value system, a behavioral system that leads to winning.
10:24That's it.
10:24This isn't some hocus pocus, you know, rainbows and unicorns and fairies and blue skies.
10:33This is, everything has to lead to winning.
10:36And if you want consistent winning, which you know winning is going to take, dealing with adversity, and you want
10:44men, women to connect and bond in adversity, then that value system better be strong.
10:52And you've just seen that in FIFA, I've seen, this team bent, but it didn't break.
10:58And when players are fatigued and tactics go out of the window, because fatigue, ultimately their minds, their bodies can't
11:08do what their minds want to do at the speed that's required.
11:11That's right.
11:11Then it comes down to the togetherness, the collective will, the desire to bring a first trophy to Indonesia for
11:2135 years, to come back to why we're here.
11:27We have a cord of our shirt, maximal effort, always.
11:31And I'm going to commit that to you because I know you're going to commit that to me.
11:36And we've got to look each other in the eye and in the mirror after again.
11:39Yeah.
11:41This is the depth of brotherhood that we're building here.
11:47So the brotherhood that you were building, I would like to focus on that part.
11:55Because is that the kind of mentality you were not forcing, you were put on the players here.
12:05And how do you bring together that kind of mentality to the locally developed players and the diaspora players?
12:19Do they have, what kind of bonding activity, that kind of mentality?
12:24Well, I think it's learned from my side as a coach.
12:28It's studying other winning teams, but it's the experience.
12:33If you go to an Olympic podium for the first time in a country's history in 86 years, then you
12:40go back to back.
12:41It's never been done in a century.
12:43In a country, men or women, in an Olympic sport, and in those experiences, you realize this isn't a straight
12:52path.
12:53You don't start game one and then end up on a podium and it was all just a vertical line,
13:00like we're progressing.
13:01Yeah.
13:02It's tough.
13:03It is tough.
13:05And mindset is at the core of everything.
13:08So you have a concept of mindset, skill set, structure.
13:15So I can put a system and tactical framework in place.
13:19Yes.
13:20I can use all of your skills and you have some elite skills.
13:24But if your mindset's not right, if you're fragile, mindset will undermine skill set and structure every time.
13:35So you always have to prepare the mentality of the group for specific games.
13:42If you're playing against, for example, a team, an underdog team, that you know this is their cup final.
13:54Yeah.
13:54But we should beat them.
13:56Every day we should beat them.
13:58You have to prepare the mindset right.
14:00Because if something doesn't go quite right in that game, a referee decision, or the opposition team start to get
14:08a bit luck, the mindset can then affect skill set and structure.
14:13People don't focus anymore on their talent.
14:16They focus on, oh my God, what are the media going to say?
14:20We're nil all and it's the 70th minute and we haven't scored and I'm going to get killed on social
14:24media.
14:25I'm going to lose my contract.
14:26Maybe the coach won't select us again.
14:29And then the mind...
14:30Overwhelmed.
14:30This happens in games.
14:32No different to you as a professional journalist.
14:35There'll be moments in your career where you've allowed the mind to override just the basic talent that you have.
14:57You know the things.
14:59Yeah.
14:59I experienced that right now.
15:01If we're being very honest with each other.
15:03Yeah, that's true.
15:05You've mentioned three components, mindset, structure, and what's the other one?
15:10Skill set.
15:10And skill set.
15:11And you often talk, is that one of the pillars that you often mention?
15:16Because you have skill tactics, physical, mental, and sports science.
15:22If that's correct me if I'm wrong.
15:25So how far along is the sports science side with the national squad?
15:31Yeah, well I brought Dr. Cesar Millan with me.
15:36He's been to the Olympic podiums from bronze to gold medals.
15:46He's been on the World Cup journey with us with Canada.
15:49So he's bringing all of that international experience to Indonesia and laying the foundations for World Cup qualification.
15:58Because we've lived it.
16:00And he understands the realities of working with players who have to travel from Europe.
16:06Our players have to travel from Europe to North America to perform.
16:11And then the realities of, for example, our World Cup qualification.
16:16We played three games in ten days.
16:20Yeah.
16:21Oh wow.
16:21For example, we started in Honduras playing in 30 plus degrees heat.
16:29Oh my god.
16:31Two years later we're flying to Canada to play in minus 13 on a plastic field, a turf field.
16:39Of course, yes.
16:40Three days later we're flying to El Salvador to play in 30 degrees heat.
16:45Extreme weather.
16:47Extreme weather.
16:48Extreme weather.
16:48Yes, yes, yes.
16:49Three day turnarounds.
16:51Travel over different continents and countries, time zones.
16:58We've been doing that for 15, 20 years together.
17:03So with Dr. Milan, he's trying to make sure that we are closing the gap on experiences that
17:13teams like Japan, Australia, Korea, Saudi Arabia, who are consistently qualifying for the World Cup,
17:21they're building these experiences of how to qualify.
17:25Indonesia hasn't built that experience as an organization.
17:30And it's not just the coaching team.
17:32When I say organization, we're talking about logistics, our social media team, our video team, our commercial team.
17:40How to deal with it all when it starts to get bigger.
17:46So we're bringing certain experiences like when World Cup qualification starts,
17:51we have to send people to the country prior to us arriving.
17:57Ah, okay.
17:57To have everything set.
17:58It's not something they've done in the past, but it's something that we did with Canada in our qualification campaign.
18:05So when you say about sports science, Dr. Milan will have a chef ready in an environment with our nutritional
18:17reality set up specific to our players.
18:20So we're not relying on a hotel.
18:22So we're not relying on a hotel.
18:22I can give you anything.
18:24So there's, there's elements.
18:25We, uh, we're starting to close the gap on World Cup qualification experience that's been missing here,
18:33that our competitors have gained over a 30 year period.
18:39It is, it's that specific to your treatment in terms of sports science or is this something other coaches have
18:48done?
18:49I haven't seen, like I said, since I, since I came here, we conducted a very thorough survey, you know,
18:58with players, staff,
18:59to understand the last cycle of World Cup qualification, the two year period, what went well, what didn't go so
19:08well,
19:08what are the players need more of or less of, where are the gaps?
19:13There were gaps in operational areas.
19:16There were gaps in logistical areas.
19:18There were gaps in cognitive load, emotional load.
19:23Like there were gaps in a lot of areas, but there were also things that were done very well.
19:27So for me, it's just been trying to balance and understand, right.
19:33I can start a feel.
19:35This is the biggest and most important gap we've got to close now.
19:39This is where we can bring our experience of World Cup qualification in CONCACAF to Asia.
19:46Um, I'm going to move forward to Asian Cup and World Cup.
19:50So the Asian Cup first, Asian Cup first, looking ahead into the Asian Cup.
19:56Um, will you bring more diaspora players?
20:02I think every, every day, every week, we have our people looking and working on different projects that we have
20:11on diaspora players.
20:13We have people looking every week.
20:15I'll be at a game this weekend.
20:17I was at a game last weekend.
20:19This is the beauty of us living in Indonesia.
20:22I can feel the local game.
20:25So we have people watching domestically.
20:28We have people watching internationally to bring the best players here that have Indonesian blood.
20:36That's our mission.
20:38To bring more tier 1, tier 2 players.
20:43Because those players are what take you to the next level.
20:49Is there any particular players that you've taken interest?
20:53Yes.
20:54Perhaps.
20:54Yeah.
20:54I mean, there's obvious, obvious players out there that are well noted on social media.
21:02Name drop?
21:02Name drop?
21:02Name drop?
21:03I think to respect the player and their circumstances, it's really important to be respectful.
21:10This is where I have to keep and try and raise the standards because ultimately when you start name dropping,
21:17players are in their processes as well.
21:21Whether it's they're trying to decide between one country and another.
21:27How many?
21:28How many?
21:29Bagaimana?
21:30Berapa?
21:31Berapa?
21:32Berapa?
21:33Berapa?
21:33Berapa?
21:35Berapa?
21:37We have 10 players on our current watchlist, on our current list.
21:45Just name them one.
21:4710.
21:4810.
21:4810 is long, long term conversations.
21:52It's difficult to say because the country has high expectations.
21:58So for me in this moment I'll under promise and over deliver hopefully.
22:04Well, unfortunately we have concluded our interview for today
22:09Thank you so much for having us
22:11And in Indonesia we say semoga sehat selalu
22:16So hopefully you stay healthy always
22:19Dan saudara kembali ke studio