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The Maharashtra Food and Drug Administration has suspended the food business licence of Mumbai-based restaurant Cafe Mondegar following an inspection that found non-compliance with Schedule IV food safety regulations, including temperature control failures and kitchen sanitation lapses.
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00:00Hello and welcome. I'm Sonal Mehrotra Kapoor. This is 5LIVE.
00:05Now this Wednesday a lot has been happening when it comes to the political circuits,
00:10comes to the streets, comes to the restaurants, comes to your office spaces as well.
00:14And we've got an eye on all these sectors to bring you stories that matter.
00:18So my story number one for you is what's happening with hygiene in our restaurants.
00:24Now you know that so far you needed a restaurant to be 5 star approved,
00:27Michelin star approved. Now you need a restaurant to be Munde approved.
00:32And the latest one which has been disapproved by Mr. Munde
00:37is the iconic Montego restaurant in Mumbai.
00:43If you've been to Mumbai, you've been to Colaba, you must have not missed this place.
00:48It's a tourist hub. It's got icons. It's got history. It's got all of it attached.
00:52What it does not have is apparently hygiene,
00:55which is why their license has been cancelled.
00:59But talking about licenses being cancelled,
01:02recently there is a man who has been praised by the union government
01:07for having done some excellent work of cleaning up the river,
01:11another set of people who fixed the road as well.
01:17So while a lot of these stories are getting praise online,
01:22I'm deeply uncomfortable with the conversation that is really emerging.
01:26And I'll tell you why over the program.
01:28Where does the citizen responsibility end?
01:32And the government's accountability begin?
01:36And are we confusing the lines there?
01:39Are we really forgetting whose responsibility is it to fix this?
01:43We'll discuss that on the program.
01:45And then the story you and me both need to watch out for.
01:50AI, not just ending the world, not just ending our lives, but our jobs as well.
01:56The latest one is those who were sacked from Oracle.
02:0221,000 people.
02:04Impact on India, the numbers still blurry over there.
02:07But overnight, removed.
02:11They got an email at 6 o'clock in the morning that your services are no longer required.
02:15What does this mean when it happens to even companies like Oracle, in Google, in Meta?
02:21When these big job creators start cutting down costs,
02:26what does it mean for the future of jobs for you and me?
02:29We'll discuss all of that on the program.
02:31But first up, as always, let me take you through the top headlines at 5.
02:37Political heat is rising over the new UPI merchant discount rate framework.
02:41Rahul Gandhi accused the center of yielding to American pressure
02:45and demanding that the move be rolled back.
02:47Congress President Mr. Karge has attacked the decision, calling it a loot by the government.
02:52The government, however, says UPI remains free for consumers
02:55and that the MDR applies only to specified merchant transactions above 2,000.
03:03Maharashtra Food and Drug Administration has now suspended the food license of Mumbai's iconic cafe,
03:09the Bondi Guard, following an inspection.
03:12FDA flagged multiple food safety lapses, including improper thawing of frozen food
03:18and inadequate cooling of cooked food as well.
03:22The inspection also found temperature control and hygiene issues at the cafe,
03:26which have been a Mumbai landmark since 1932.
03:34Shocking twist in the Lucknow hit-and-run case involving Anamika.
03:38Police are now probing allegations that the accused,
03:41Shah Nawaz, has been over his charges.
03:47Amongst all those details that are coming in,
03:50we are also looking at the latest in this case.
04:04Rice prices have climbed to a one-year high,
04:07with early Basmati Paddy arrivals already showing prices around 20% higher than last year.
04:12With the festival season ahead,
04:14attention is now on whether prices could rise even further.
04:16The strong global demand is also supporting prices,
04:20while higher Basmati Paddy prices could add additional pressure in this festive season.
04:26Tees after Prime Minister Modi's 81-year-old schoolmate Asghar Ali Vora met him.
04:33A company linked to BJP MLA Narendra Mehta has agreed to return the disputed land in Mumbai's Meera,
04:39in the area.
04:41The company has also agreed to surrender the construction permission for the plot.
04:46Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Vijay's UK tour is hearing its conclusion,
04:50but his planned fan meet in London has been cancelled over public safety concerns.
04:55Hundreds of fans gathered outside the shard,
04:58where Vijay is staying, prompting police intervention.
05:02His party TVK has urged supporters not to gather outside the hotel.
05:06Meanwhile, Ministry of Home Affairs has declared that
05:10Shahzad Bhatti Network, a terrorist organization under the UAPA,
05:14the network has been accused of cross-border smuggling of weapons,
05:18explosives and narcotics besides radicalizing youths and petty crimes.
05:22Criminals as well towards terrorism.
05:24MHA has also accused the syndicate of targeting India's democratic system and social harmony.
05:31Pakistani Navy vessel has collided with the Indian Navy warship in the North Arabian Sea.
05:37The vessel has been identified in reports as PNS Hunayn,
05:41an offshore patrol vessel commissioned into the Pakistan Navy in 2024.
05:46Reports said the Pakistani ship approached at high speed before the collision.
05:50No major damage or casualties have been reported on the Indian side.
05:56U.S. House has advanced a Russia sanctions bill that could give President Donald Trump
06:02the power to impose status up to 100% on countries including India over the purchase of Russian energy.
06:09India has been specifically named in the proposed amendment to the legislation.
06:14New Delhi, however, has maintained that its energy sourcing decisions are guided by national priorities and energy security.
06:23And Saudi Arabia says it has foiled a suspected Houthi drone attack near Mecca.
06:29Saudi area and the air defenses intercepted and destroyed the drone south of the Holy City
06:35before it entered the restricted airspace.
06:38According to the Saudi-led collision, the collision has called the security of Mecca and the two holy mosques a
06:45red line
06:45and warned of deterrent action.
06:56Let's cut across to some updates coming in.
06:58This is regarding the Mecca case.
07:00Now amid controversy over child sexual abuse act,
07:04Mecca will no longer merely be an intermediary.
07:07That's what the government sources are telling us at this point.
07:09The center is reclassifying Mecca as a service provider and not merely an intermediary.
07:15As per the Indian government platform, the charge for algorithms cannot simply claim to be intermediaries.
07:23The government source also goes on to tell us that Mecca clearly admitted the mistake
07:27committed to reporting child abuse as well content to the Indian law enforcement agencies.
07:37Ashwarya Palewal joins us for more details on this.
07:40Should I put this in context? Why is this change in how they are read by the Indian law so
07:46significant?
07:49Well, you know, one of the things that we have seen Mecca often speak about
07:53is the fact that they were given protection under the intermediary law.
07:57Now that is something that the government at least over the past three to four years was debating.
08:01And this is not the first time that we are seeing the government actually making sure,
08:05telling Mecca that you need to vet the content that is being put on your platform.
08:10But under the previous law, under the previous rules,
08:13Mecca was in fact being shielded from being accountable with regard to what others are putting on the platform.
08:19Because they used to claim that they are just a platform.
08:22How can they vet the content that is being put on the platform?
08:25But the government is very, very clear this is something which will not work going forward.
08:30The officials in fact admitted that yes, this was a mistake.
08:33They are also saying that they will vet the content which is now being put on the platform,
08:37especially when it comes to Julie.
08:39Because this is something that the government often was speaking about.
08:42And also, you know, they were speaking about the fact that all the reporting will now be done under the
08:50Home Ministry,
08:51the department that falls under the Home Ministry, which is I4C.
08:54So this is something that very clearly Mecca officials have agreed for.
08:58And let's hope that this does change the kind of content that unfortunately we have seen rise on Mecca platform.
09:05All right, Ashweta, thanks so much for joining us.
09:07Mecca officials there at the ministry meeting up with them.
09:11But at the moment, they've been told that their status will be changing.
09:21All right, moving on to the other big story we are tracking.
09:23A Mumbai institution is facing food safety reality check.
09:29Cafe Mondega, a landmark in cities since 1932, has had its food business license suspended
09:34after the FDA inspection flacked multiple safety and hygiene lapses.
09:40What were the lapses?
09:42They were to do with temperature control, violations of concerns over defrosting, how it was done, rapid cooling,
09:50drainage and kitchen sanitation as well.
09:53And the inspection has put the spotlight on what was happening behind the iconic cafe's doors,
10:00which is basically in the kitchen, how exactly food was being dealt.
10:05My colleague, Devesh Tripathi, sent us this detailed report on what this means for Mumbai, for Mondegaard,
10:14and what does it tell us about FDA.
10:20A Mumbai institution, a cafe that has been part of the city's landscape for nearly a century, was shut on
10:30Wednesday.
10:33Cafe Mondega is facing FDA action.
10:36The Maharashtra Food and Drug Administration, headed by Tukhara Munde, has suspended the cafe's food business license.
10:43This, after an inspection led by an FDA team, found multiple food safety and hygiene lapses.
10:48One of the key concerns, alleged temperature control violations.
10:53The FDA found hot food was not being maintained above the prescribed 60 degrees Celsius,
10:58while cold food was also not being kept below 5 degrees.
11:02The inspection also flied improper defrosting of frozen food,
11:05and negligence in the rapid cooling of cooked food,
11:09procedures designed to prevent food from entering unsafe temperature ranges.
11:13Then came the alleged hygiene lapses.
11:16The drainage system near the food preparation area was found to be inadequate.
11:19The flooring showed damage linked to dampness.
11:22And kitchen equipment, according to the FDA, was not being properly cleaned and sanitized.
11:27Most importantly, when FDA officials rated this place,
11:32they found that items inside this restaurant were not being maintained
11:36and required temperature of above 60 degrees,
11:40while cold storage temperature was not being kept below 5 degrees.
11:45Also, they found that improper throwing methods and failure of rapidly cooling cooked food,
11:52as required, were also observed during inspection.
11:55The FDA further found that equipment was not properly cleaned and sanitized,
12:00and also they found certain lapses in drainage system as well,
12:04due to which there was a possibility of cross-contamination.
12:10And Mondagar is just one part of Maharashtra's wider food safety push amid Ganesh Utsav.
12:16The FDA says across the state it had seized more than 4,138 kilos of dairy and sweet products,
12:23along with 30 litres of liquid milk.
12:25The sea stock, including khoya, paneer, ghee, peda, halwa and shrikant, is valued at over 15.5 lakh rupees.
12:33In Mumbai, the FDA has also held five food safety workshops for Ganesh Mandals,
12:38training around 320 office bearers and members on safe and hygienic food preparation.
12:43From festive Prasad to iconic cafe, the fight for food safety continues.
12:48A Mumbai landmark since 1932, Mondagar is synonymous with old Mumbai,
12:53but the FDA crackdown puts the spotlight on what's behind the kitchen doors.
12:57With the pastry party, Bureau Report, India Today.
13:03And let's get a live update from Mumbai, from Mondagar Cafe.
13:08In fact, my colleague Devesh Singh joins us from outside that cafe now.
13:12Devesh, it's been happening for a couple of months now.
13:15Iconic places, institutions, which were a household name, a tourist spot perhaps, for Mumbai being shut.
13:25But have Mumbai cars gotten used to it?
13:28Or now and then, whenever a famous restaurant or a famous canteen gets shut, they actually are in favour of
13:38it?
13:38I'm trying to get the public mood here.
13:44Well, Sonal, if we talk about the public, some of them are in shock.
13:49That places like Cafe Mondagar, the colonial era restaurant, which was, which had a very high footfall.
13:57It was the place to visit.
13:58It was the place to be in Kolaba Cosway.
14:01If a tourist is visiting here, even Mumbai cars, when they visited Kolaba,
14:05they would step in at Cafe Mondagar for a pint of beer or for some food.
14:10But now that after the FDA crackdown has happened and it exposes that there were food safety lapses.
14:18There was no proper sanitation.
14:20The food temperatures were not being maintained.
14:23And in fact, there was damage to the flooring as well in the kitchen of Cafe Mondagar.
14:32So this exposes what was happening.
14:35Like this has brought to light what was not known to people.
14:39People knew that it is a famous restaurant.
14:42It is a colonial era restaurant.
14:44And they would visit, they would have food over here.
14:46They would go there with friends, families.
14:48But now after this crackdown, it has brought to light that food safety rules were not being followed.
14:55Hygiene was not maintained.
14:57There was no proper sanitation in the kitchen.
15:00So this indeed is a shock to people.
15:04And also people are supportive of the action being taken by the FDA commissioner Tukaram Monday.
15:12Since he joined like three months back.
15:14Since then, he has begun crackdown across the state, especially in Mumbai and other places as well.
15:20They have been crackdown at famous restaurants across the city and also in other districts of Maharashtra,
15:27other places in Maharashtra, where FDA has been active.
15:32They have been seizing milk, spoiled milk, adulterated milk, adulterated khoa, adulterated ghee, and thus several.
15:40And as the festive season is around, there is Ganesh Utsa going on.
15:44And also for the Ganesh Mandals, FDA has held special workshops.
15:48Also how to follow proper sanitation, proper hygiene, what food safety rules have to be followed.
15:55Especially this, other than only taking action on restaurants, there are rules being brought in place that high salt,
16:01high sugary foods not to be served around schools, around educational institutions.
16:08And now boards are being set up by the municipal corporation itself after FDA brought in such action.
16:13Other than that, there is action being taken on Gutka as well.
16:18Yeah, Divesh, I don't know if you have a couple of people around you who would like to speak about
16:22this matter.
16:23We would love to hear some, you know, Janata voice as well on this one.
16:27But, you know, I see that earlier we would go to a restaurant and we would ask if this restaurant
16:35is five star approved,
16:36if it has a Michelin star rating, if something else is happening.
16:40Are people now asking that is this restaurant the one that has Munde rating?
16:47How has Mr. Munde rated like their entire restaurant? Is that happening?
16:51And isn't it a bit of a dampener at this point in the middle of the Ganesh Chaturthi,
16:56if people are being told that you have to really be, you know, watchful of what's happening?
17:02Or is this a new kind of education that is being backed by the people?
17:05They're saying, good, it's happening. It's finally happening. We need accountability for the food that we have in public places.
17:16Well, Sonal, we tried to speaking to some people who were here.
17:21But as you can see, the cafe is shut. Cafe Mondegar is shut. The doors are closed.
17:26So there are no people actually over here who would be visiting or who would be there.
17:31There were a few people who had stepped in, who had come to this place.
17:35They wanted to visit, but they found that the Cafe Mondegar, its license has been suspended.
17:42So they've left. But there's a lot of footfall usually at this place.
17:47There are people visiting, people who visit mostly people from outside the city.
17:52People who are not from Mumbai, they usually come to visit Kolaba, Kolaba Cosway for shopping.
17:57And they go visit Cafe Mondegar as it's a legendary cafe.
18:02It's a colonial era cafe, which has been operating since around for a century in Mumbai.
18:08And now that this license has been suspended, it brings to light that the effect of what people are also
18:16saying or their social media memes that Tukaram Munde effect is taking place or the FDA crackdown being initiated by
18:25the FDA commissioner, Mr. Tukaram Munde is seeing light.
18:29And there's action being seen across the city, across the state.
18:36All right, Devesh, thanks so much for joining us with that perspective.
18:39But let's listen in from the man himself.
18:41Mr. Munde spoke with India Today's Preeti Chaudhry a little while ago.
18:45And we asked him specifically about the latest crackdown.
18:48This is what he had to say.
18:51I just want to ask you one quick question, sir, before I let you go.
18:54And that for Mumbaikers could be, you know, as sensitive for some of them who followed Mondegar Cafe through the
19:02many years and decades and you have shut it.
19:04Now, what led you, Mr. Munde, to shut down Cafe Mondegar, which is iconic to Mumbai and South Mumbai?
19:18It's not about, I say, a view for me, whether it's a big or small.
19:22I have said many times on your channel as well.
19:24So there are violations, scheduled for violations.
19:27There are non-compliances.
19:29And after non-compliance are found, we have suspended the license.
19:32We have not canceled it yet.
19:33If they comply with that, we'll reinstate their license.
19:37If they don't comply, we'll go for a cancellation of it.
19:40So it's basically about the public health issue.
19:42It is about standards and regulations not being followed.
19:46And detailed press note I have issued yesterday.
19:48So the reasons are also mentioned therein.
19:50I need not repeat it.
19:51Only issue is that whoever is a food business operator, either a licensee or registered one, please follow these regulations
19:59because we are dealing with the health of the people.
20:01Mr. Munay, I know you do want to repeat what the issues were with Cafe Mondegar, but what was the
20:06biggest glaring issue that you said that there has to be a suspension letter, not a warning?
20:15It's not.
20:16Yeah, it's not.
20:17As I can say, Schedule 4 violation is the non-negotiable thing and there are violations about Schedule 4 as
20:23per regulations of registration and licensing regulation 2011.
20:27So, Schedule 4 has a lot many components and they have been pointed out to them.
20:31It's not something which is opaque, it's absolutely transparent.
20:33In the suspension notice itself, those have been pointed out which are compliances, which are non-compliances, which are partial
20:38compliances.
20:39It is intimated to them.
20:40They have to come with compliances and further process will take place.
20:47All right, so then there are on one hand officers like Mr. Munde who are doing their job.
20:53There are, on the other, some citizens who are going beyond their job to really fix the system.
21:00In India, failing infrastructure is hardly new, right?
21:04We keep seeing it every day in the national capital, in hinterlands and other cities as well.
21:08But what happens when citizens stop waiting for the system and start fixing it themselves?
21:14In Bengaluru, one CEO did exactly that.
21:17Instead of pushing back, the government is now welcoming the citizen action.
21:21We are talking about Siddharth Dailani.
21:23He walked on the same put path in Koramangala every day and he saw the stretch be badly damaged.
21:30He tried the official route.
21:32Complaints were raised with the BBMP.
21:34Emails were sent to the Greater Bengaluru Authority.
21:37Service ticket was filed as well and even the GBA helpline was contacted.
21:42And according to the man, there was no response.
21:47So, he decided to stop waiting.
21:49He spent 2,700 rupees from his own pocket, bought the material and paid for the work and got the
21:56cement ramp built over the broken stretch.
22:00One damaged section of footpaths now made usable.
22:04And importantly, the ramp also makes the stretch easier to navigate for wheelchair users, senior citizens as well, people with
22:10strollers.
22:11But the story took an unexpected turn after the government's response.
22:16Karnataka minister has now welcomed the initiative saying it is a good thing that the citizen chose to fix the
22:21problem himself.
22:25And that just creates a very unusual civic equation, right?
22:29A citizen complains.
22:30The system does not respond.
22:31The citizen pays out of their own pocket apart from paying for the taxes, of course.
22:36Gets the system fixed.
22:37And the government is there standing and saying, well done.
22:42There is certainly something, well, positive in citizens taking ownership of the spaces they use everyday.
22:49But there is also the question that cannot be ignored.
22:52If you and I can fix in a few hours with just 2,700 rupees, get that infrastructure fixed, get
23:00that road fixed, what is holding back the government?
23:05So we caught up with Mr. Siddharth to understand this conundrum.
23:09Is that how he sees the story as well?
23:11Take a look.
23:13This is my daily walking path.
23:15I walk here everyday and I observe that the footpath is broken here.
23:19I cannot imagine anyone with a stroller or a wheelchair anytime using this footpath.
23:25The rest of the footpath as you can see is good.
23:27But this junction is completely broken.
23:30And it used to irritate me a lot.
23:32I raised the ticket on BBMP portal.
23:34I sent an email to GBA, complained on their helpline, got some automated response, but they never acted on it.
23:41So I finally decided to do it myself.
23:43What was the money that you spent and how did you figure out the people that can do this job?
23:48This costed me overall 2,700 rupees.
23:52I met a friend who is into real estate and he was more than happy to provide me a supervisor
23:59and a couple of labor.
24:01So he did the supervision work.
24:04I paid the labor and we spent around 1,700 rupees on the raw material.
24:09We purchased the cement and some handheld tools.
24:12Overall, it costed me 2,700 rupees.
24:16And Mr. Siddharth is not the only one.
24:18If you've been online lately, you must have seen these reels that are going viral by this man called Bittu
24:24Tabahi.
24:24He's been cleaning up polluted river.
24:27He's been picking up garbage as well.
24:30The 20-year-old has now led 100 people in cleaning the waste from the Tuhargi forest.
24:39And after his entire clean-up river mission caught the attention of the ocean clean-up, Bittu says,
24:45was also the beginning of a mission that remains simply to create more tabahi or trash clean-up across the
24:53country.
24:53First, listen in and watch what his story is and I'll come back to why this disturbs me.
25:12Bittu Tabahi has a new target, this time in Bengaluru.
25:18The 20-year-old, who shot to fame cleaning the heavily polluted Ajnaar River in Madhya Pradesh,
25:24has now taken his clean-up crusade beyond his hometown.
25:30His latest project, Turahalli Forest.
25:33And this time, he's brought a hundred helping hands along.
25:37Bittu led around 100 people in a massive clean-up drive at the forest,
25:41around 20 kilometres from Bengaluru on Kanakapura Road.
25:46Masks, gloves on, sacks ready.
25:49And one common enemy, garbage.
25:52Some members had to dig into the ground,
25:55removing the waste that had a Turahalli forest to surface.
26:01Bittu is the real hero, but you know why?
26:03Because he went on the ground and started doing the clean-up himself.
26:06He took individual responsibility, so that's why he's a hero.
26:10You can be one as well. Start on your own.
26:13Bittu says he's now travelling across different states with one mission.
26:18To spread awareness about keeping public spaces clean.
26:21But Bengaluru is only the latest chapter in Bittu's clean-up journey.
26:26Before the forest, there was the river.
26:29Back in Madhya Pradesh, Bittu spent months cleaning the heavily polluted Ajnaar River.
26:34Rubbish choking the river and its surroundings.
26:38Bittu kept going.
26:39He funded basic supplies himself and did the dirty work himself.
26:44And documented the transformation himself.
26:47His before and after videos eventually went viral.
26:51Turning a one-man clean-up into a much bigger conversation about public spaces and pollution.
26:58And then came an unexpected twist.
27:01And soon, the ocean clean-up, founded by Boyan Slat, came calling with a job offer.
27:09But Bittu wasn't ready to stop there.
27:12He said he wanted to take his clean-up missions to more states.
27:16His message was clear.
27:18The Ajnaar River was just the beginning.
27:40And judging by Bittu's latest project, his clean-up list is only getting longer.
27:45Because, for Bittu Tabahi, the name may sound destructive.
27:50But the mission is quite the opposite.
27:53He is out to cause some serious tabahi of trash.
27:57Bureau Report, India Today.
28:15There are several of them that exist online.
28:17I'm sure there are so many other stories as well.
28:19Caught the praise of Union Minister Jyotir Aditya Cynthia.
28:23He praised these people, specifically Bittu Tabahi, saying a powerful message for every Indian.
28:29And said that citizens must take responsibility, make civic sense, part of everyday life.
28:37Sounds reasonable?
28:39Well, listen first to what he said.
28:42I bow to him today.
28:43Surindra Chaudhary, two and a half months.
28:46And he cleaned the whole river.
28:48Full of filth and garbage and plastic.
28:51No one was willing to help.
28:52And I'll give you the example of my young man in Madhya Pradesh.
28:56Surindra Chaudhary, he saw the Ajnaar River.
28:58I don't know whether you guys have seen him.
29:00Full of filth and garbage and plastic.
29:03No one was willing to help.
29:04He could do what you're saying.
29:06Bulao, Vidayi ko bulao.
29:07Sansat ko bulao.
29:08Paarishat ko bulao.
29:08Mai bethke katgare mein kada karna chahta hon.
29:11Mai usko criticize karna chahta hon.
29:12But did he do that?
29:13No.
29:14He went into the river himself.
29:15Two and a half months.
29:17And he cleaned the whole river.
29:19I bow to him.
29:21That's the Indian we need.
29:22And that's the capability we need.
29:26That's the Indian we need.
29:29These words from Mr. Sindhya are now viral.
29:32Over two million views on this sound bite that he put out on X.
29:35Everybody is applauding.
29:38I'm not.
29:39I find this entire trend very disturbing.
29:42Because ministers elected to fix the problem are now telling citizens to fix it for themselves.
29:49That should make us uncomfortable about how the system operates.
29:52So, remind me.
29:54Why are we paying taxes?
29:56Why do municipalities, water boards, environment ministries, road and transport, all these fancy ministries with heavy, hefty cabinets and ministers
30:05exist?
30:06If the answer to a filthy river is let a 20 year old fix it.
30:12He could have held a politician accountable but see he fixed it himself.
30:17Is that really the answer?
30:20Let's be clear about what citizens owe and what governments owe.
30:27Citizens are responsible for respecting public spaces.
30:30Of course.
30:31And they must.
30:32We must.
30:33Governments are also responsible for building and maintaining them.
30:37And they must.
30:40They are responsible for building them, maintaining them with the money you and I have paid.
30:46Our taxpayers money.
30:49Citizens action can support the system.
30:52It cannot replace it.
30:55So, the question on look how inspiring.
30:58Where does the citizen duty end?
31:01And where does the government accountability begin?
31:07Are civic bodies actually investing in infrastructure?
31:11Are public funds going where they are supposed to?
31:13Or are we just outsourcing governance also now to whoever is willing to pick up the broom?
31:20Bengaluru's footpaths, Bittu's river, different problems, same pattern.
31:26Citizens doing the state's job.
31:29And state standing there.
31:35That's not how government works.
31:38Most people have already given up on politicians.
31:41And that was bad enough.
31:43Now the politicians themselves are outsourcing the job back to us and calling it inspiring.
31:48Wow.
31:49Somewhere else, in any other country, this would end careers.
31:53This would end political parties.
31:56A minister whose ministry, whose party cannot keep the river clean doesn't go viral for praising the citizens who did
32:05him.
32:06He should be hanging his head in shame and getting voted out.
32:12But for some reason, this video gets 2 million views.
32:15Celebrate the citizen.
32:17Celebrate Bittu's.
32:18Of course he must be celebrated.
32:19Of course he's done a fantastic job.
32:22Brilliant work.
32:22So has the Bengaluru guy.
32:25But the minister owes.
32:27I'm not saying Jyotarudita Singhya particularly.
32:30But those responsible, they owe all of us, the citizens, an apology.
32:35Not this inspirational bite.
32:38Because being paid to do the job and getting applauded when someone else is doing it for free.
32:43That's not leadership.
32:47That's not accountability.
32:48That's surrender with a better PR.
32:51So let that sit in next time somebody is praising some action.
32:56Yes, of course it should be praised.
32:58Yes, of course all of us should be doing our bit.
33:02But the government, they need to look into their own closet as well.
33:08They need to figure out why a citizen out of their job, out of their own pocket, despite paying all
33:13taxes, despite doing their due diligence, is forced to do the job themselves.
33:19A job that the government was elected to do.
33:25Sit on that as we move on to the next story.
33:30And this is the one about jobs of a different kind.
33:34Well, this morning, in fact, on the morning 6am on 14th of September, an email was sent out.
33:43The email sent that today is your last working day.
33:48That email was sent to Oracle employees at 6 o'clock in the morning.
33:52Computer access gone, voicemail gone, files gone.
33:56They were asked for personal email.
33:58So HR could send the severance papers.
34:02Early estimates put this around 7,000 to 10,000 jobs.
34:10Oracle hasn't confirmed a number.
34:12Some reporting today puts the actual figure closer to about 5,000.
34:16So even a scale of today's cuts is contested.
34:19But what isn't contested is that a company like Oracle has shed about 21,000 jobs in just one year.
34:30A lack in 62,000 employees last May.
34:33A lack in 41,000 this May.
34:3513% of the company gone.
34:39And in the same year, Oracle's capital spending went up from 8.5 billion dollars to 28.5 billion.
34:46It's planning to raise another 40 billion more in debt and equity to build AI data centers.
34:53So before you put the two and two together, AI and jobs being taken away, listen to this nuance.
34:59This isn't about AI simply taking jobs.
35:01It's a company hollowing out one part of itself to feed the other.
35:07Cutting product teams, hiring for AI infrastructure.
35:11Betting a whole company on a bet, it hasn't really achieved yet, but it's very clear.
35:17But while that is happening at Oracle at a global level, what is the India piece in this?
35:22Well, the India piece in this is still a little murky.
35:24Reports point to a product engineering taking a bigger hit.
35:28Support and consulting less so much, but Oracle hasn't put a number on India.
35:32And we can't really report those figures till we have them authenticated.
35:36And that's just about rung one of a much bigger ladder.
35:42And if you want to look at this entire story of AI and jobs, you have to look at how
35:47the ladder is really built up.
35:50So in the next couple of minutes, let's meet.
36:02Job's gone today.
36:04Rung two in this case would be already visible.
36:08It's not that AI does everything.
36:10It's that skills Oracle pays for have shifted.
36:13Support and consulting roles relatively safe.
36:15Product engineering not so much.
36:17That's not automation, remember.
36:19That's a company sort of deciding which humans are still required.
36:22And then there is a rung three impact, where it gets less probable.
36:27Oracle says, AI coding tools, let it run smaller teams doing more.
36:32That a company is claiming that its systems are doing work that used to need a person to supervise only
36:39now.
36:40Maybe that's true.
36:41Maybe it's a line that looks good to investors.
36:43Nobody outside Oracle can really check.
36:45But then there is also a rung four.
36:48Whether systems like that eventually get capable enough that humans can't meaningfully oversee them at all.
36:54That's not the Oracle story anymore.
36:56That's an argument some AI researchers are having.
37:00And it's genuinely unsettling.
37:03Oracle's layoffs don't prove or disapprove it.
37:05It is just a template for any other company, especially the big tech, to keep in mind.
37:12And for you to have the knowledge about.
37:15What Oracle's actually proves is that rung one in two, that the company is real, the jobs are gone, money
37:21is real.
37:22The rest of the ladder is where the argument really starts and where you should be more skeptical of anyone
37:28who claims to know how it ends,
37:29because we don't know where the story is going.
37:31All we can read is patterns right now in companies like Oracle.
37:36And then we'll have to see how it translates.
37:40Also, the India impact, like I said, is not known, but we're looking a close eye.
37:44So watch the space as we continue to track the story.
37:52Meanwhile, moving on for passengers at 30,000 feet, there is perhaps no more terrifying sound.
37:59And we've had too many of them off late.
38:00And here's another one that a plane suddenly begins to shake.
38:05Passengers onboard an Iranian Boeing 737 lived through that nightmare after a wheel tire reportedly detached shortly after takeoff,
38:13triggering an engine related problem and severe vibrations.
38:18The saffron Airlines flight returned safely to Mashhad with no injuries reported, thankfully.
38:24But if I stay quiet for a minute and you listen to the voices, it will tell you about the
38:27trauma.
38:44This comes just weeks after another mid-air scare involving Air India flight from Phuket to Delhi, which dropped around
38:51300 feet and left 24 people injured.
38:53Two incidents, different aircrafts, different circumstances, but one chilling question remains on how safe these journeys are beginning and how
39:01more and more of these cases are getting to the fore.
39:06Here's a full report.
39:13Passengers aboard on Iranian Boeing 737 had a close shave with death.
39:19They experienced probably the most horrifying experience of their lives at 30,000 feet.
39:29The Saperan Airlines flight was forced to return to Mashhad shortly after takeoff after a wheel tire reportedly detached, triggering
39:38an engine related problem and causing severe vibrations during the flight.
39:42The video of the incident captured by one of the passengers on board shows the flight shaking heavily.
39:48The passengers were heard screaming prayers, fearing the plane was going down.
39:59The flight landed safely in Mashhad, where emergency services were on standby.
40:05Initial reports indicated that no injuries were reported among passengers or crew.
40:12A similar incident happened last month on a Phuket to Delhi Air India flight.
40:17The flight dropped 300 feet, leaving 24 people on board injured.
40:21Nobody should get up.
40:22Hands on your seatbelt.
40:27The probe in the matter revealed that 34-year-old pilot Sudhi Vashisht tested positive for a psychoactive substance reportedly
40:35marijuana.
40:37The airline terminated the pilot in command.
40:41The Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau probe also found that the aircraft suffered a momentary loss of control after failures in
40:49its hydraulic systems.
40:50But crucially, the probe has not established that the pilot's drug use caused the hydraulic failure or the altitude upset.
41:02The airlines, aircraft manufacturing companies, authorities and governments around the globe are working tirelessly to make each flight safer.
41:11But such incidents just show how far we are from that.
41:15Shivani Sharma, Bureau Report, India Today.
41:27All right, cutting across to some news updates coming in.
41:29This is from the SENA UBT, Aditya Thakre, who has spoken on the Disha Salian case.
41:36He says,
41:37And I quote him over here,
41:38I have never met or known Disha Salian.
41:41Linking my name to this tragic case constantly is a deliberate evidence-free attempt at character assassination by a few
41:48individuals with clear political and personal motives for almost six years.
41:52The relentless smear campaign run by vested interests without a single thread of evidence and truth is highly unfortunate.
41:59Loud TV debates and media trials do not change the facts.
42:03Let the officials reinvestigate, proceed without malicious distractions and character assassinate for political motives.
42:09Once again, he says,
42:11For those of you thinking that such malicious attempts being used politically will hold us back from fighting for the
42:17truth and for fellow citizens, it is a failed strategy.
42:20We always will stand by the truth and fight for it.
42:25My colleague Disha has been tracking this story and joins us for more on this.
42:30In fact, all right, Devesh Singh joins us for more on the story.
42:35Devesh, take us through what exactly is happening.
42:37In this entire story, we never knew the context of how these names were really used, right?
42:45Do we have clarity on that?
42:46And how are we to see these comments of some malicious activity, politically motivated, you know, allegations coming in from
42:55Aditya Thakre?
43:00Well, let me break it in three parts.
43:03So, on 8th of June 2020, Deesha Salayan, intervening night, Deesha Salayan dies after falling off a 12th floor apartment
43:15in Malad Malwani area.
43:16Now, this apartment building, this flat was owned by Rohan Rai with whom she was living in and that evening
43:24they had a party.
43:25There was a verbal dispute with some of the friends.
43:28Deesha walked out, walked into her bedroom, closed the door.
43:31Rohan Rai knocked but she did not answer.
43:33After some time, security guard informed Rohan Rai that Deesha had fallen off the building and they rushed downstairs.
43:41Now, this is the death of Deesha Salayan that had happened.
43:45Malwani police investigated.
43:46They investigated and found that there was nothing suspicious.
43:50Everyone's statements were recorded.
43:52Witness statements were recorded.
43:54People present in the house, their statements were recorded.
43:57Rohan Rai's statement was recorded and it was an accidental death register.
44:00After a few days, Sushant Singh Rajput with whom, again I point out, for whom Deesha had worked briefly.
44:09She was put in because the celebrity manager handling Sushant Singh Rajput's account had been unwell.
44:17So, she, the celebrity management company, put in Deesha Salayan for a brief period to communicate with Sushant Singh Rajput.
44:25And there was communication, I am quoting records, the CDR records or the call detail records.
44:32The communication between Sushant Singh Rajput and Deesha Salayan had happened only thrice or four times.
44:38Not more than that.
44:40So, it was a brief communication between them.
44:43Though, Deesha did work for him, but for a very brief period.
44:47After that, Sushant Singh Rajput died.
44:49Then, after Sushant's death, there was a lot of investigation.
44:53There was suspicion.
44:54There were, again, some online creators and there was online mudslinging.
45:00There was online, there were memes being created.
45:04There were theories being floated and of that, there was one theory that came up.
45:08That Sushant knew about Deesha's death or how she had died.
45:13And then, these allegations had cropped up.
45:16And after that, Sushant Singh Rajput was allegedly again.
45:20Right.
45:21Devesh, they are making the entire story timeline very, very clear.
45:24So, on what basis are these names being included in the first place is the big question mark.
45:28But we'll continue to keep an eye on this story just to see where it really goes.
45:32Aditya Thakre there giving up his first response.
45:35That's all we got back in today's episode of Five Live.
45:37Hope you liked it.
46:12I'm Rajiv Chanan and I'm the founder and managing director of Humandus Technologies, which we formed in 2018 with the
46:22objective of developing innovative technologies in the field of energy and environment.
46:27So, Delhi's 1500 square kilometer area has around 1,000,000 liters of petrol, diesel and CNG every day consumed.
46:39So, generally Delhi's dimension is very big if we look at it from a pollution standpoint.
46:45So, not only controlling AQI but controlling exposure is also important.
46:52So, in effect Delhi requires, in our opinion, permanent structure, permanent infrastructure to control air pollution which is coming.
47:03So, the objective of our technology is to reduce exposure reduction.
47:09Policy implementation, policy thrust, new policies are very good to control overall ambient to reduce pollution.
47:17APS stands for ambient purification system.
47:20It is partly meant for particulate matter.
47:26An idea behind this is that we are supposed to make a system and technology for outdoor where you install
47:33it once and it should continue to run without any attention intervention for 15-20 years.
47:40Because the minute you put something in outdoor, it has to be sustainable and it should not require frequent attention.
47:49And we designed the storage capacity to be roughly 3-5 years so that nobody needs to go in and
47:57service the equipment, you know, every now and then.
48:01It would once required in one in three years or one in five years.
48:05And then, particulate matter, safe disposal of the material.
48:10So, we still need to figure out what does it contain.
48:13It may contain many other particles, many other elements which may not be, you know, good for human health.
48:19So, it has to be disposed.
48:21So, idea behind was that we should reduce exposure to the people and hence the machine should come closer to
48:30the people.
48:31Wherever, in outdoor, there are large people like ISVT, railway station, market places.
48:38We should bring equipment closer to the people.
48:42Reduce their exposure.
48:44So, in the APS, there is no filter in any way.
48:47So, this means that you have to understand the most important thing in the outdoors.
48:52Every other thing among the right to the people who are having a lot of cool equipment making and fueling
48:55the air-saving equipment.
48:58So, the atmosphere needs to be reducedly.
48:59There is no more difficulty.
49:01There is a consistent performance in the entire building.
49:08There is absolutely no cost in the air.
49:14For this number of fuel, there is no cost datant to a clean solution.
49:18There is no cost in the air.
49:20There is no cost pereralization it towards the air.
49:21There is no cost pereralization in the air.
49:22physics principle that your particulate matter is heavier than air molecules, so you suck
49:29air in a particular velocity with a particular angle so that heavier particles PM2.5 and PM10
49:40they cannot travel the path of the air being taken into the system so they tend to get separated from
49:47the air. So this is also the agglomerate of wind tunnel design. There are two aspects of it.
49:55One is that it is agglomerate and the other is that the velocity of the heavy particle
50:00reduces the velocity of the air. And when it comes to one place, the velocity is slow.
50:04It will settle its own. So this is the principle that we can separate the heavy particles without any filter.
50:32It will settle its own.
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