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00:00It's a drive by Derry Dawson, Charles Chisholm goes deep.
00:09Hello, welcome to the Pinstripe Post. My name is Ryan Sampson. He's the star of the show, Joel Sherman.
00:13Today is Tuesday, August 4th, a day after the MLB trade deadline where the Yankees were not so active.
00:18And a lot of Yankees fans are pissed off like myself.
00:21We're going to discuss the inactive moves from the Yankees yesterday,
00:25but we're going to get all the breakdown from Joel about the Lombard call-up, the Volpe send-down,
00:29all of it today on today's episode. But before I get to any of that,
00:33Joel Sherman, how are you doing today? How are you feeling?
00:35I'm sure there's a lot of caffeine rolling through your blood right now.
00:39Yeah, just exhausted. It's, you know, the last week is especially a grind.
00:45You're trying to make sure your viewers, your readers, listeners are getting as much
00:54accurate information and insight as you could possibly do. And it's part of the gig.
01:00I got to, I've already done the podcast with John this morning. I'm doing this. If you notice,
01:06I'm sitting at MLB Network. I got a show, a little bit of writing. I feel like if I could
01:10get through
01:10today, it would be really good. I could hit a pillow maybe and fall asleep for about 10 hours.
01:16Well, look, Joel, I think a lot of Yankees fans' heads hit the pillow last night pretty upset.
01:22And, you know, look, I think there's two discussions here for this episode. The first
01:26being the trade deadline and what happened there or didn't happen. And then the Lombard call-up
01:31late last night with the Volpe decision and Dominguez as well. But I want to start with the
01:35trade deadline, if that's okay. Because I do think that's the bigger discussion that we have to address
01:39before anything else. I heard a lot of your comments yesterday in MLB Network. And a lot
01:44of Yankees fans were tweeting about them. And I thought they were spot on what you were saying.
01:48But let's start with the fact that the Yankees went after Garcia and Ramos, the two bats that they
01:54did acquire at the deadline. What did you make of the fact that both of these guys, I think from
02:00a
02:00bird's eye view, when you look at it, are not going to be everyday starters if and when the Yankees
02:05become whole. But they are good at bats to add to the lineup, which they needed. So what did you
02:12make of those two moves to start? Yeah, I don't think you could do it alone, Ryan. I think those
02:19two bats were fine. You know, most teams add a guy who's leading the league in slugging.
02:27They get a big applause for doing it. The Yankees have generally gotten thumbs down.
02:31I think Luis Garcia will play a lot even against some lefties. I think Helio Ramos, I do think,
02:38again, you never know how a guy will handle New York. But I do think he can hit. I think
02:43he'll
02:43start against all the lefties. I will point out that he's bad on defense, but he's, you know,
02:49replacing Jason Dominguez, who needs to go to AAA and learn how to play baseball. So there's that.
02:55And so they needed bats. They got bats. I don't believe in this nebulous date. Like,
03:04oh, when everyone comes back, what do they do? Well, first of all, they have to survive
03:09until they come back. And then I'll believe everybody's coming back when everybody's coming
03:13back. And I just wouldn't especially make any plans around John Carlos Stanton. He's not often healthy.
03:20And by, I always share the bridge. I think John Carlos Stanton, a great guy. He's great to deal
03:26with. Like the whole thing is, but you can't make plans around him. You know, Brian Cashman got
03:33lame-basted a couple of years ago when he goes like, injuries are part of his thing. Injuries are part
03:38of
03:38his thing. He's going to miss significant part of every season. And the, you know, the season isn't
03:43going to wait for him. And the Yankees had to get bats. They've spent, and this is where I have
03:47to
03:47combine it a little bit, right? They have not hit for six weeks. They have not hit for six weeks.
03:54Yesterday, they scored over five runs for the fourth time in 41 games. That's a quarter of a
04:00season. You know, you're trying to average five runs a game. And to do that, you got to score over
04:05it a whole bunch of times to cover for some stuff. And they, they just couldn't do it. And baseball
04:10is
04:11our most, uh, um, uh, connective sport, which is when you don't score and you've got to keep winning
04:20and the games are two to one and three to two and one to nothing. You have to use your
04:25best relievers
04:27all the time. They have to be in the game all the time. And the Yankees lost last night, lost
04:34Monday
04:34night for some, to some degree, because their relievers have been in the game all the time.
04:39And he's trying desperately to get Chiavelli. Like the plan is for Chiavelli to pitch two innings.
04:44And then I assume either Cruz or Bednar to close. He just has so many guys off limits because the
04:50offense hasn't created any distance to, to, to, to do this. And my concern about the Yankee deadline
04:59is good for Garcia and good for Ramos, but at minimum, forget about the right hand hitting
05:05catcher for a second. At minimum, you have to get one more reliever you trust in. And I don't care
05:12if it's a sixth inning guy or a seventh inning guy who Oscar Brazubon, Antonio Sanzatella, Tyler
05:20Wells, Brooks, somebody else you believe can pitch in a major league game after a starter comes out
05:29and do it well, 70% of the time, because I think the Yankees are in an, in an incredibly
05:36dangerous
05:37spot right now, an incredibly dangerous spot. It feels to me like they're one pitching injury
05:45away from real problems because who have like their theory right now is all of their pitchers
05:53are going to stay healthy. Then Carlos Rodon is going to come back and go in the rotation.
05:58My suspicion because of where his innings are at is Ryan Weathers will come out of the, the thing
06:04and be like in their greatest dream, become a power lefty who pitches in the eighth inning and gets the
06:09ball to, uh, David Bednar. We have no proof that Ryan Weathers could warm up quickly, be a bullpen
06:18guy. We have no, by the way, he's, we're going to switch his job in the middle of his most
06:23heavily
06:24used season in his life. Then Clark Schmidt is going to come back off of Tommy John surgery and be
06:31a
06:32hybrid reliever. Again, a job he's never done off of Tommy John surgery. We saw early Garrett Cole,
06:39have to work through a lot of stuff. Who's a lot more talented than Clark Schmidt to be able to
06:45find his command control stuff, et cetera. So he's just going to do that in the middle of a sprint
06:50to
06:50the finish line. And he's going to help. Maybe Luis Hill is going to do the same thing and end
06:56up
06:56in a bullpen. And by the way, none of the other guys are going to get hurt. And here's what
07:02I would
07:02think. Not because they're bad pitchers, but I would assume from here to the finish line,
07:07Cam Schlittler will pitch worse than he's pitched to this point, just because I don't think he'll
07:12finish with a one nine ERA. I think Paul Blackburn and Hedrick will pitch worse because I don't think
07:18that they're going to finish with the ERAs they have now, the performance they have now. And by the
07:22way, there go two more guys who've never gone soup to nuts as relievers in a full season. I think
07:28that
07:29their pitching staff, which is their strength, their way of getting through the playoffs, their way of
07:35maybe beating the Dodgers. Cause if you got there, you'd say, I'll live with these three
07:39or four starters and the best of the bullpen, whatever, but they have to win games between
07:44now and then. And maybe the offense is better and we'll give them a little breathing room,
07:51but I think some of their guys are on fumes already, by the way, Matt was coming back from
07:56an elbow injury. Schlittler's way beyond going to go way beyond whatever he's right. He drink is at a
08:02career high of, I mean, he's one of the most used relievers in all of that. Ryan Hedrick has never
08:07gone from spring training to the end of October as a relief pitcher. Paul Blackburn has never gone
08:13from spring training to the end of October as a relief pitcher. And they're in the games all the
08:17time because the offense hasn't given them. They, they right now, like we watched a manager
08:25sacrifice. I think rightfully sacrifice a game yesterday that was going to feel like a great
08:30win, especially because Garcia hits Homer. He sacrifices the game. Now he didn't sacrifice
08:36the game initially. Chiavelli had pitched. Okay. Though it started to give some signs recently that
08:42maybe that was all smoke and mirrors, but like, he's hoping he's going to get two innings for him.
08:49Like that's where they are right now. And the fact that they, I would have argued needed,
08:54they traded collateral. Again, I would not have put Duvall in a game again. I would have not put
09:00Jake Byrne in a game. I think Yovane Cruz was a guy they showed they didn't trust because there
09:05were multiple times this season he should have been up and he wasn't. So they were tough. Like
09:09it's Ryan, I'm a actions, not words. Like who cares what you say? We really like them. You really
09:15like them. You have a hole in your bullpen. Where is he? Right. Where is he? He hasn't pitched much
09:19at all this year for the majors. So Yankees were showing you, they don't believe in that guy.
09:24They included him in a trade, obviously, but it did take away depth. Correct. Which leaves you
09:31exposed as a team to the point where everything you're saying before of you have all these high
09:36pitching injury. They can't, they not only can't have a pitching injury, but they need guys to,
09:41they need wrote down to hit the road. Yeah. They need guys to get healthy. That's the other thing too.
09:45Like, and, and like Clark Schmidt, who hasn't thrown a competitive pitch in 14 months, he's got to be
09:51good in a new job and Ryan Weathers or Will Warren, they just got to be good in a new
09:56job. I, the fact
09:58that they don't have a reliever or two, and I know the market did not break to their favor. I
10:04get it.
10:05The market did not break to their favor.
10:09Is that the Mason Miller part that you're talking about?
10:11I'm talking about the whole, like the right hand hitting catcher market in general, right
10:15hand bat, but even the relief market, Ryan, there was Jojo Romero was out there. I mean,
10:20I mean, he got traded yesterday. You've talked about him, like just go get an arm. That's
10:23what you're saying. I agree with you. So, so, so again, I don't think there were a ton of
10:28really good, usually there's much better on the surface relievers than were traded. Having
10:34said that they had to get one or two of the ones that were traded. And again, part of
10:42the market not breaking to their thing is, well, I talked to a scout who covers them and
10:48an executive from the other team, because by the end of last night, I just didn't want
10:51to do any more. So on the drive home, I called a couple of people from the network and they
10:56both said the same thing. The Yankees had this problem over the last few years, but especially
11:02at last year's trading deadline, they traded all that secondary stuff that gets you relief
11:07pitchers. And they were, they had a lot less collateral to do that thing, to get the Tyler
11:16Wells, to get the Sensatella kind of guy than, than they had in the past. And so, but having
11:26said that, I still think you got to like, I don't know the answer of how you find the way,
11:31but the answer is find a way. And that includes like, I don't know, would somebody have given
11:36you at this point, I think you got to say, if Anthony Volpe's got to go or Jason Dominguez
11:45or whatever, like, I just think, I think the fact that like, I'll, I'll just come back
11:52to, and into Sensatella. I think it's a player they were interested in. They called on, I
11:57think they called on Tyler Wells with Baltimore. Like I would argue, do what you got to do to
12:03win for both guys. Milwaukee ends up with one Tampa ends up with one. And I get it. Those
12:08teams have really good systems. They have all that secondary stuff that gets you seventh
12:12inning. But to me, it's like, you got to figure a way to it because I'm just looking at the
12:22pitching
12:22staff now. And I, and I could paint a rosy picture of this pitching staff, getting them to
12:30the top of the AL East and winning the pennant and maybe more because the best of it is really
12:37good is really, really good. And I could see a way where three weeks from now, we're talking about
12:45them trying to hold people off for a wildcard spot because I think they are in such a fragile
12:51position with this, with this, that like, again, like who they've used Bednar a lot. What happens
13:02if Bednar gets hurt? Like who's closing games for them? And I just, I think they've left themselves
13:13incredibly vulnerable in the area that had been the best of the team all year. But one of the reasons
13:19it's been the best of the team is it's been heavily used for three quarters of a season
13:23or two thirds of a season, and it has performed. And I'd worry like hell about if these guys are
13:29on
13:29fumes or not for this period. It is a very glass half full moment that I'm projecting. But if I'm
13:41in charge, I always have to deal with what's the worst case scenario and how can I protect myself with
13:46the worst case scenario? And I'm not sitting, you know, we never know what the Yankees offered,
13:55what they went after. I think the Yankees have a very, very capable, strong front office. You're not
14:01good this long, this way, every year without a good front office. They make lots of really,
14:08really good moves. So you never know what they offered. You never know like if the offer was
14:14actually better, but somebody misperceives it and takes another, I get it. And Brian Cashman's
14:22history is he knows how to get to the finish line and get a trade done at this time of
14:26year. I am
14:28blown away. I am blown away that they do not have at least one more capable relief pitcher
14:35on their staff today. I think they need two more capable throw 40 innings the rest of the year.
14:47You believe in it because I just don't believe everything in this game of Jenga is going to go right.
14:59Forget about Judge Bellinger and Stanton for a second. I don't think with their pitching staff,
15:04how many different things have to go right over the next eight to 12 weeks, if you get to the
15:12end of
15:12October for this to work, they have left themselves so vulnerable, like exposed, like if they get another
15:22short start, like what are they doing this week? Does Will Warren, I mean, they just forced Will
15:30Warren. I mean, I don't, I don't know. I really don't know. I mean, I think they're calling up a
15:34pitcher today. So maybe they're calling up like Beck or crew or Rodriguez, somebody who could give them
15:39length just in case. I don't know. I don't know. Like we'll know that probably before there's even
15:45post. But like to me, they're just, I'm more than the catcher because the catcher thing just worked
15:54against them. Like, like I just think ultimately Jeffers never became available. Carson Kelly
16:01really wasn't available. Hunter Goodman was available. If you were willing to sell children
16:06to get it done, the Rutschman deal, like the Red Sox just went to places the Yankees weren't going to
16:13go. And again, the two people I spoke to last night said the Yankees would have just left themselves
16:19savaged to whatever the mimic of the Rutschman deal was. And that's for a guy who's two weeks away
16:26from helping you, right? He's not coming back minimum. There's another guy you would have had
16:31to acquire an injured player who has a left wrist injury for a catcher, hands your catch with hit.
16:38You want the hitting, by the way, they wanted Adley Rutschman yesterday morning.
16:43They kind of like got tapped out when Boston went where Boston went. They were dealing regularly
16:49with Mike Elias and the Orioles. They lost to the Red Sox, the Red Sox. And, and I know this
16:56feels
16:56like, I'm not actually going to say it. So like the, the Red Sox were, I think in a little
17:03more
17:0320,000 feet desperate situation organization, you know, want to get in the playoffs. How did you know,
17:12like has missed it sometimes they made it last year, but it missed some recently Breslow under
17:17some fire there. It pushed, they pushed things into the middle of the pot that a lot of the
17:23industry was surprised how far they went for this, but they're going for it, right? I mean,
17:29they're the hottest team in baseball. And by the way, like we saw it is the Dodgers showed up at
17:33Yankee stadium. The Yankees lost two out of three. The Red Sox went to Chavez ravine and swept the Dodgers.
17:39And so like, if I'm the Red Sox and I have the pitching and like, what looks like some real
17:44growth from some of those young outfielders, I'm going for it. Yep. Going for it. And I get it.
17:51I get it. I mean, they traded a former top prospect and mayor, a Marcello mayor for a relief pitcher
17:57right yesterday too. And that goes into what you were saying before about Volpe and Dominguez. Like
18:02these guys clearly the, the, we'll get into the Lombard in a little bit, but like clearly the,
18:06the Volpe train was, was getting to an end here in terms of this season. And I wonder Joel again,
18:13like, was there something there for the relief part? Could you have gotten a bullpen pit, a bullpen
18:18arm by getting rid of one of those young players that were not giving you actual production at this
18:23point? At, at, at this point, especially if I could have gotten, you know, uh, Eric Miller is a
18:29controllable arm that Boston got a controllable arm for it beyond this year. I think he got,
18:34you got, you got to go for it. You know, the problem is the controllable arm could turn out
18:38to be Camilo Duvall and Jake Byrd. Totally understand. It was very volatile. Uh, I just,
18:44but whatever it is, whoever you liked the best on the board or whoever the two or three guys you
18:49like best on the board, you had to get one of them. I just think you had to get one
18:53of them.
18:53And that's after like, uh, like Miller never really got out there. More a home never got out
18:58there. Like the guys that the two guys they liked best were on San, like, I think a week ago,
19:04San
19:04Diego indicated, I think we're, we might do some selling, but then this is why I say the market
19:11worked against them. Then the Padres had a great week. And so suddenly those guys were not
19:18available. Uh, and so, but the, but you still have to find a way to do it to me. I
19:27just,
19:28I could understand the catcher because you can't just make the catcher out a whole cloth.
19:33So it was kind of like, like, and, and, and Liam Hicks again is left-handed is the other catcher
19:40who got traded. It's imperfect for them. And it would have cost a lot, obviously to do it.
19:47Uh, so what about Stevenson or Joey Bart? I mean, any of these guys, I don't think Stevenson
19:52was ever a consideration. And I think Joey Bart might be, uh, like DFA and like, like Joey Bart
20:00did not get traded yesterday. Right. I thought he did. Did he get traded? Okay. Uh, I got my whole
20:07list here. I guess I could look it up real quick, but, uh, yeah, I mean, in, in, in the,
20:12the, the big picture, I think catcher was hard. And also I might argue, yeah, Joey Bart. Yeah.
20:19The white socks got him from the Braves, you know, like, like Joey Bart's a nice name. Is Joey Bart
20:24actually going to outperform Ali Sanchez? Like, like you got to get a guy who's going to clearly
20:30outperform that guy. Like, like Joey Bart has not like this year. It's not that impressive.
20:35Like, right. I guess I don't think they like Stevenson that much as a catcher. And I think
20:43Stevenson's, how do I put this? I know some stuff. I, uh, Stevenson's a guy who plays best
20:48when he plays all the time. And I don't think the Yankees were ready to turn Austin Wells into
20:54a twice a week catcher for Tyler Stevenson. And I wouldn't have turned Austin Wells into a twice
20:59a week catcher for Tyler Stevenson. This was really about the fact that the, and by the way,
21:04partially to the Yankees home floor, I wrote about this the other day is like,
21:08they thought the twins were, I think they were going to move heaven and earth to get Ryan Jeffers,
21:13right? Like they would have done significant, significant stuff to get Ryan Jeffers.
21:17They lost their first series against the twins at home in the Bronx since 2014. And that set the
21:23twins off on a really good period. Now, if I were guessing which teams bought in this deadline
21:31and are three weeks away from regretting that because they're actually not that good,
21:36the twins might be close to number one, if not number one on that. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
21:41the twins will win the AL central. They'll get in the playoffs, whatever the fans will be happy.
21:46I think that they're probably a team that that's not really that team, but I never argued with the
21:53team going for it and they went for it, but that the Jeffers thing in particular really worked
21:59against them. Cause again, like if Jeffers is available to the Red Sox, do Jeffers and then
22:05Rutschman cost less or like Rutschman and Hicks go to the places they go. And that leaves it open for
22:12the Yankees to get you. Like the, the Minnesota playing well worked against them. And I'm not sure
22:17if Carson Kelly wasn't really going to be available and I'm not sure he was ever really available.
22:22I don't know that there was another obvious guy to get. That's why I'm focusing on the relief
22:30pitcher because you got to live in the world of what's possible. The catchers were tough.
22:36The catching is tough. It's hard to find good catching in the major leagues.
22:41You know, if we're talking about Joey Bart, we're not talking about impressive guys,
22:45you know? And so therefore it's the relief pitching because some of that did get traded.
22:52And it feels like you got to beat the Brewers for Sensatella. You got to beat the Rays for
22:58Wells. You've got to beat the White Sox for Brazoban. You've got like someplace along the way,
23:06you got pirates for Luke Weaver. Yes. Or for Rayleigh. Who's good. Brooks Rayleigh.
23:14You know, who got traded. And so to the Phillies. And so that's the one, Ryan, because I don't think
23:23they're going to die because of the catching, believe it or not. I think they're in big trouble.
23:30You know, because if we're going to play the game that they're going to get closer to full strength,
23:33ninth, then you'll hit your catcher ninth and whatever they bring. And who knows what it means?
23:41You and I have done this show a long time now. It's unbelievable how long we've done this show.
23:47And it begins in a period where Austin Wells was a good offensive player.
23:51And one of the things I always say with Austin Wells, right, is follow the walks. Follow the deep
23:58counts. When he is walking and in deep counts, his offense follows. And if you've noticed for the last
24:04month, he's walking a lot more and hitting in deep counts a lot more. And for the last month,
24:10he's been about an 850 OPS player. And can the Yankees hope that he's a 700 OPS catcher the rest
24:19of
24:20the season? I don't think that that's impossible. I think Austin Wells is actually a talented hitter
24:25who hasn't hit this year and does a really good job catching. And so I do not, I think they
24:32needed
24:32to get a catcher. I don't want to minimize it, Ryan, but I think they'll survive the catching.
24:39I'm don't, I, if you said the Yankees didn't survive it this year, I would say it's because
24:45the pitching from here forward is a Jenga game on ice and you're trying to move it around and make
24:55it work. And to me, that is the bigger problem at such a higher level than the catching while,
25:02while saying, I think they needed to improve the catching.
25:07Yeah. I hear you on the market part. I guess, um, it's just frustrating as a Yankees fan,
25:14admittedly, when you see the Rays and the Red Sox, both make huge upgrades for targets
25:18at catcher and making that, they made the moves, right? To go upgrade their catcher spot. Cause
25:22they knew they needed to do that. The Yankees did not make that move to make it happen, right?
25:26They didn't give up the prospects or the pieces that they could to make it happen. The same thing
25:30happened with the bullpen, which I agree with you is going to be the red red, like a fire alarm.
25:35Like, Oh my God, this is really bad. This could affect them the rest of the year because they
25:39are waiting on those pieces to help supplant a lot of this. I want to look at this from a
25:44bird's
25:44eye view again, because yesterday was a lot of anger and emotions. So today I'm trying to be
25:48level-headed and understand the thinking and thought process of it all. Joel, you're saying
25:53a lot about the market didn't play to their favor. My other question that I keeps coming back to me
25:58is
25:58the Aaron judge of this all and the philosophy of, is he coming back this year? And does that affect
26:03your plans and how aggressive you are at the deadline? Like yesterday? And I guess my, my
26:08question to you in the sense is, do we believe the Yankees were not as aggressive yesterday because
26:16they do not truly understand or know this injury and how judge will come back from it? And it's not
26:23worth sacrificing the future for that aggressiveness. Yeah, I think it's a good question. Uh, I've asked the
26:31question, uh, to the, uh, behind the scenes to the people I trust the most. Ryan, again, we've done
26:40this a long time. So, you know, my theory, I believe injured players play when they play. I don't believe
26:46a word anybody ever says about injured players pretty much because it's like either you're playing
26:52or you're not playing and everything else is nebulous. But the people I trust most are even saying
26:59on background that judge will play again this year, that they're expecting judge to return.
27:05The tricky thing about the drug, the judge injury. And we've talked about this on previous shows is
27:10this is not a typical baseball injury. It is different. And judge is far from a typical guy
27:16and what every doctor has told them. And, and from what I hear, it is killing judge judges watching
27:21what goes on. Like whatever anyone might have a criticism of judge. I'm not sure besides some
27:26post-season issues, what those would be, but like judge loves to play baseball and judge feels great
27:32responsibility to the organization and the team. He wants to be, but it is killing him not to be
27:40playing and watching the team struggle offensively the way they've struggled. But the injury from what
27:48the Yankee doctors have said from, again, what I'm hearing is this is not an injury. You could come
27:53back from until you are pain-free. It is simply not like I'll work through it where it is. His
28:01size
28:01is if you try to start this early, you will almost certainly re-injure it and then you're done.
28:09And so they must wait till it is completely asymptomatic. And that's why I know, look,
28:16Ryan, we do this on the show all the time is I'm agnostic. Uh, I don't care if the Yankees
28:22or
28:22Mets win or lose. Generally, generally it's good for the newspaper. If those teams win, whatever,
28:27but it is what it is. I can't control it. But half my friends are pretty much Mets fans and
28:32half
28:32my friends are Yankee fans. And so I hear the stuff that I hear from you, which is like extreme
28:38stuff.
28:39And so, uh, uh, like I hear the frustration and I hear like when they say, well, why don't they
28:47like re-image it? And it's like, there's no value again, from what I'm told of re-imaging something
28:54until he tells you that there's no pain. Right.
28:57Must be. And they've told them, we know you're dying, but you've got to be honest with us because
29:03you can't come back with pain. Right.
29:06Because pain is a sign. It is not healed and not healed is not something you could play through
29:11without it breaking again, without this becoming a problem. And I get it. I get, I get his frustration
29:17and I get the fan frustration. It's Aaron judge. It's like, Oh my goodness. Jalen Brunson has this
29:24injury. Like what every Nick fan would be like, when is he playing? I get it. I understand the
29:30importance, but there are some players I would worry about sitting on the IL and be like, like,
29:37what's going on there. I do not have a percentage of 1% on Aaron judge on that issue. I
29:45think Aaron
29:46judge badly wants to be playing and, and helping. And again, the, I, I, I have a lot more doubt
29:52today
29:53than at any other point this season that the idealized version of the Yankees will ever materialize,
29:58but the idealized version of the Yankees can win the world series. Yes.
30:03But that includes judge. And so I know what's missing from judge's legacy right now. A great
30:12legacy is great sustained performance in the post season and a championship. He knows it. He knows
30:20it. He cares about it. He wants desperately to bring a championship here. So I know it's killing it.
30:27Uh, but I, I, you, you know, like no wine before it's time, you can't pull the grapes until they're
30:35ready. I just think that this isn't one of those injuries where you say, Hey, 80% of you is
30:40better
30:41than a hundred percent of someone else. I think if that was true, he'd be playing. Right. It makes
30:46sense. I just think he sees it. And I think he's a serious guy who wants to be playing. Yeah.
30:53I have
30:53no doubts. And by the way, I think the Yankees and judge, cause he doesn't like to ever have
30:59injuries are doing a disservice to you, their fan by not saying it and creating any level of mystery
31:09around this. I think, I think if I'm right. And again, I'm talking to people, they should just
31:16say exactly what is going on. Right. And, and it would, it would provide more clarity.
31:23I guess the Yankee way. So, right. And it would provide more clarity to the fans too. And, and,
31:28and look, we're all in the content game. Like this is what we do. We talk about this team. We,
31:32we report on you report on this team and it gives us the, the, the chance to have these forums
31:37and
31:38make this type of content. And I, and yesterday just really put a damper on our mood on the season,
31:43because I think everyone feels the way you're describing right now about this. They're relying
31:49on a lot of guys to come back, Joel, to make these impacts, the way you've described them and,
31:53and turn out to be good for them. So I guess the, the one thing I do want to say,
32:00and, and
32:01summarize summarization to the first part of this whole episode is the fact that they did trade away
32:06the depth at the bullpen that they did with Duval and bird, and they didn't replenish that it scares
32:13me. And I'm not sure that that plan is going to work. And it's frustrating that they didn't get an
32:17arm yesterday, but let's pivot. Yeah. Can I say this? Cause it's going to, I think I could get to
32:22your, where you're pivoting by combining one with the other. I told this story. I'll tell it more fully
32:28here. I've told this story in my column today. I think I've told it on the air before here with
32:33you.
32:33I've certainly done it in other places in 2007, the Yankees and the Red Sox, both are fighting for
32:41Eric Gagne, who's an excellent closer for the Rangers who are kind of like hovering near the
32:48wild card, but decide to become sellers in late July. The Yankees have Rivera, but their setup is
32:56so much worse than anything they have today. It's like Jose Veras and Kyle Farnsworth. It's just like
33:01a group of like, they can't get the ball to Rivera. Well, and so they're in it for Gagne.
33:08The Red Sox are really good. They have pop a bomb and they actually have one good setup guy in
33:17Okajima left-handed, but they desperately want it. And the Rangers want either Ian Kennedy or
33:24Melky Cabrera and Brian Cashman won't do it. Now it turns out, both of those guys turn out to be
33:28really good players in the major leagues. And he will not do that trade. And again, to show you how
33:34fickle this all is, the Red Sox put in the prospect that the Rangers want. His name is
33:43Engel Beltre, who's, again, I would stop looking at things like Baseball America Top 100.
33:49You know, you're going to confuse them, but he's a great prospect. He wins the day. They actually
33:54include David Murphy in the trade also. It turns into a good major league outfielder. That's the guy who
33:58turns into the better player for the Rangers. Not a great player, but a very good player.
34:03And Eric Gagne goes to the Red Sox on deadline day. The Yankees are seven or eight games behind
34:07the Red Sox in the standings, fighting for, to try to be a wild card. And I saw a Yankee
34:13official,
34:13this is the old Yankee stadium. The press room was downstairs. And to get to the clubhouse,
34:19the easiest way to go was to go, it literally was through the dining, there was a dining room,
34:25through the press room, make a right and go to the Yankee clubhouse. God, I love the old Yankee
34:30stadium. But it was literally in the bowels of the stadium underneath the stadium. And one of their
34:35officials walked by and like, I can't say I was young, but a younger version of me did something
34:42I shouldn't have done. And I took a potshot and I said, well, great job today giving the championship
34:48to the Red Sox because they wouldn't budge. That person, by the way, it was not Cashman.
34:54The person still works for the organization is maybe my favorite person in the organization.
34:58So I want to say that. And, and, and we've talked about it since. Well, Eric Gagne goes to the
35:08Red Sox
35:08and almost single-handedly tanks the Red Sox. He is as like, whatever you think Camilo Duvall has been
35:15for a year. This is worse for the Red Sox. He's almost becomes unusable. The Yankees almost catch
35:22the Red Sox. They get in as the welcome, but they almost catch him. Gagne is unusable. Like even in
35:26the post season, they were like using them like this, like, uh, like what? And so it's a reminder
35:34that we think one thing on trade deadline day, but then other things happen. And one of the reasons,
35:40and I think this is the pivot to where you're going. One of the reasons the Yankees almost caught
35:44him is they called up Jabba Chamberlain from their farm system at about this time, maybe about a week
35:50later, put him in the bullpen. And until the Midges showed up in the post season, he was like
36:00unhittable. He became the bridge to Rivera. He had like an 050 ERA for the rest of the city. He
36:06was like,
36:06great. And so does George Lombard bring some energy and defense and something to the Yankees
36:16that helps them? Again, it doesn't help them pitch, but it might help their pitching because
36:22the defense, it shorts up again, if he is who we've been portrayed that he is.
36:28Uh, so I think I got you to where you wanted to go there with Lombard, but it was a
36:34bigger thing to
36:35say. We do winners and losers on, on trade deadline. I encourage people go back four or
36:40five, six years ago, go look at who everybody said were the winners and the losers. The winners are
36:44always the teams that get the big names. And a lot of times those big names don't perform for 60
36:50days
36:50because major league baseball's hard and small sample sizes create issues. This is no way I'm
36:57not re-dedging on the first half of the show where I think the Yankees did not have a good
37:03trade
37:03deadline because they needed a relief pitcher, but we do actually know, know nothing about who won this
37:10trade deadline yet. No doubt. And I think, uh, to, to, to put that to bed a little bit, Joel,
37:17you have been the point guard point person, no matter what, since the start of the off season,
37:23when we started doing these shows this year, Ryan, I don't know how this bullpen is going to be.
37:29I think they need to address the bullpen, Ryan. I don't know why they're going with two left-handed
37:34catchers. And I don't think they want Ben Rice to be a catcher either. So I don't understand that
37:38move either. And those two things ultimately were not addressed here all the way up until yesterday's
37:44deadline. So that's where it gets frustrating. My third thing they did address. I've spent four
37:51months saying they do not have a championship shortstop. You did. So let's talk about this,
37:56right? Like, so, and I still don't know that because I've never seen aside from about 20 innings
38:01of spring training, I've never seen George Lombard play an important game. I gotta be honest with you,
38:06Joel. I've never felt so like, Ooh, they are putting a lot of pressure on this kid. And maybe they're
38:12going to tell us, I'm sure they're all gonna be like, no, no, he's just going to go out there.
38:15We're going to let him do his thing. And there's no pressure on him to produce right away. But the
38:20reality of the situation is Joel is they are got the Red Sox right behind him who are about to
38:26go
38:26probably past them. The rays are not going anywhere and it got better. And this AL is getting tighter
38:31because of the fact that their bullpen is so taxed and their offense has not produced and they're
38:36missing their three big horses in judge Stan and Bellinger. So Lombard comes up as the prize
38:41prospect that they didn't want to trade away at all for any of the pieces, whether it was in the
38:44off season or this year, I feel like they're putting too much pressure on him. What do you
38:48think of the fact that they are calling him up at this time, the day after the deadline?
38:53Yeah, it falls into my category of part of the Jenga. They need a lot to go right now,
38:59all of a sudden. And one of them is, uh, if you took George Lombard to a bar in late
39:05May,
39:06he, they'd throw, he'd get ID to not be allowed in. He didn't turn 21 until early
39:11June. Um, he seems again, I, one of the things I don't like is when people talk about players,
39:18they haven't seen as if they've seen them. So everything I say about George Lombard,
39:24aside from very little eyewitnessing in spring is based on people in the Yankee organization,
39:30I trust. And more importantly, scouts and executives from other teams who have dealt with the play,
39:35like seen the player a lot, write reports on him, et cetera, supposed to be incredibly mature
39:42and level-headed supposed to be superb defense, superb athleticism, superb base running high
39:51baseball IQ. God, could this team need that high baseball IQ? Uh, and that the problem is his offense
40:00often takes him at a level of going through bad. Like somebody, the person I talked to last night
40:07said, you know, Lomb, the Yankee fans are going to be excited about Lombard and they should be.
40:14The person said, again, through somebody else's eye, they said, George Lombard is going to be a
40:18good major league shortstop, a good major league shortstop. And maybe better than that. But they said
40:24probably three weeks from now, he's going to be hitting 180. And fans are going to be like,
40:29oh, this was a big guy we just got. And it's like, he's going to probably have some offensive
40:34issues early. If the Yankees had judge and take Stanton out, judge and Bellinger and could,
40:43and Wells is hitting like it has for a month. And you put Lombard ninth and say, really feel the
40:51hell
40:51out of it. When you get on base, be a threat. If you run into one, but they're struggling for
40:58offense. And so he's needs to offer something and he might not be able to do that at 21, you
41:09know,
41:09Jeter's first time up, it was such a small cameo cup of coffee in 95, but like he needed that
41:16to
41:16become who he became in 96. Uh, and so they are in an interesting point where like, they kind of
41:25need
41:25George Lombard and Spencer Jones to be good. And one thing I like about Jones and Lombard, well,
41:33they're both athletic and they could both defend. Yeah. And
41:42I, there is too much 2024 Yankees in this group. They have played a kind of baseball from the
41:52beginning of the season was different. Now, some of that could be, well, when you have Bellinger and
41:56left and judge and right, they're really good defenders, et cetera. I have now reached the point
42:01where I, I wonder when Bellinger comes back. And again, that's a long way from now. Long way,
42:07long way. He was running outside. I heard yesterday though. So long way from now, but
42:16Spencer Jones, really interesting player. I compared it the other day is like, what if he's actually the,
42:24the version of Joey Gallo, they hope they were getting, which is he's athletic and I, he could
42:31defend, he could throw, he seems to have a pretty good baseball clock and IQ again, not enough time
42:37with it, but like seems it obviously when the ball hits his bat, it goes a long way. And so
42:42you're
42:42like, it's going to be low batting average, high strikeouts, though. He's done a little better in
42:46both of those areas. Again, the league is now going to adjust to him. We'll see if he'll adjust back
42:51again. Have we gotten to the point where if the Yankees ever get to full and you want to play
42:59your cleanest baseball, is it Bellinger and left Jones and center judge and right and Caballero at
43:06second. If Lombard succeeds at shortstop where you're like, I'm going to give away some stuff.
43:12Maybe, maybe, but you know what we're going to do. We're going to stop being a defensive team.
43:18And we're going to stop making as many stupid mistakes as we make, because I actually think
43:25Caballero, again, a fully concentrating Caballero could be a dynamic second baseman, dynamic
43:31second baseman defensively. I don't know. I might play the defense if I could get there.
43:37And I'm not sure that right now, and I know it's a little off topic if, if, but maybe not
43:42because Lombard's playing short. If I'm not playing Caballero at second, at least half time
43:46and trying to at least send a message to Jazz Chisholm and be like, we need, we need you so
43:52fully buoyed in and concentrating. And that's not going to happen. Like, like, like we've heard the
43:57promises, but Oh, like I've got a new swing now where I'm trying to, it is what it is, but
44:02I'm not
44:03sure it isn't their best team. It's a, it's an interesting time, right? Because there was this
44:09platoon situation going on at shortstop with Volpe and Caballero when the lefty righty, there was the
44:15platoon with Jazz and second, there's a platoon at third with McMahon and Rosario. So there's
44:21platoons all over the place, Joel, but if you can have Lombard be your everyday shortstop and you
44:26have the second base platoon and you have the second plate, uh, base, uh, third base, I should say
44:32platoon. It probably gives you more. I don't want a third base platoon. I don't want Rosario on the
44:38field. If I'm taking McMahon out of the lineup, I'm going to put Caballero at third. I just think
44:45they have to play cleaner. Yeah. I think that they have not played clean baseball, which again,
44:51put stress right now. I'm like, what will not put now? I know the argument is what won't put stress
44:57on is putting runs on the board and scoring and creating some distance. But the other one is
45:03giving extra outs and extra pitches for the pitching. And it isn't like I'm getting so much
45:09offense out of Rosario and Chisholm. It makes sense. I guess like, I just wanted to, I think the
45:17Yankees have to go back to taking care of the ball to running the base as well. Like, like they
45:23lost the
45:23world series in part because of this and they have not played like, like they have not played a clean,
45:29crisp kind of game. And I would try to protect the pitcher's arms a little bit by like, if it's
45:36should be an out, it's going to be an out by the way. You know, what was impressive yesterday? And
45:41somebody had said it to me from a, from another team in the NL East. Somebody said Garcia got better
45:46at first base as the season went along. It was one game. The one thing I know about Luis Garcia
45:51after
45:51one game, he could throw. Oh my God. Yeah. That throw to second. He is a bullet.
45:55Two good throws, right? Like, so, uh, like that makes Ben Rice. If he's even 10% better than rice,
46:04let's be like against every righty rice is the DH. I just, it's saying comes back, but by the way,
46:11rice again, like I'll worry about like, so, so here's the other thing I would do a history lesson
46:16on. And anybody who's unfortunately as old as me or close, I covered these teams. Go back and look
46:23at like the 96 Yankees or the 98 Yankees, the 99. Like there's in the world series in, or in
46:30the
46:30post season in 96. So it's 30 years ago, they're celebrating 30th anniversary against lefties. It
46:36was tough because he was emotionally tied to the players, but he had like Joe Torre had Cecil Fielder
46:43and Tino Martinez. Tino Martinez was his, was it, they got, they got Cecil at the, at the trade
46:49deadline that year. And Martinez had worked tirelessly. You know, he replaced Don Mattingly.
46:54When people talk about tough things to do, he had replaced Don Mattingly, played well,
46:58but like there were times he had to play fielder at first over Tino against tough lefties.
47:04He had Daryl Strawberry. He had Tim Raines. He had Paul O'Neill. Obviously Bernie Williams was
47:09playing center every day. One or two of those guys had to sit every day.
47:13One or two of those guys had to sit every day. You know what they did? They decided winning was
47:17the most important thing. And the, the Yankees biggest problem should be, they have too many
47:24hitters after what you've watched for the last quarter of a season. A, I don't believe they'll
47:29ever get there. Okay. Right. I don't believe they'll ever get there. I don't feel like any of these guys
47:35are like around the corner and I don't believe all the other guys will stay healthy or like, like,
47:40so, so the greatest thing that could ever happen to Aaron Boone and the Yankees is, wow, I had a
47:45really tough choice today who to play. I would worry about the Yankees have such a tonight problem
47:51right now. I will worry about injured guys showing up when they show up and then I'll go, Hey, I
47:57want
47:57to show you the lineup that Joe Torre had to use in the post season in 1996 and who sat
48:03on their bench
48:03and what their numbers were numbers far better than you this season gave much more to you. So
48:09like what I need you to do is go sit on the bench, root for your teammates and be ready
48:12for a pinch
48:13hit late in the game. Like, cause I don't think we're going to get there, but if we get there,
48:17this is what is the tougher thing would be is if Stanton comes back. And again, I'll deal with that
48:21is
48:23the Yankees are going to be in a position where they have to win games. They've put themselves in
48:27that position. And for Stanton to get right, you're probably going to have to give him games to work
48:32through things where, you know, he's going to look like Stanton and miss pitches by a foot or two,
48:38if you're going to ever get to the full thing. So like, it's not going to be easy to work
48:42them in
48:43and you just might have to make a decision. Like we're playing who's hot right now. You want to go
48:51hit off the trajectories? Like you'll get some pinch hitting stuff. But again, I hate that I even said
48:56the sentence because I'll worry about it when it happens. Right. Cause like Goldschmidt has been
49:02played into exhaustion. Like, like, like, so I'm not that worried about putting Goldschmidt on the
49:06bench for a while and seeing if I could regenerate some of it. Me either. But by the way, I'm
49:11not,
49:11I just, I am again, I'm trying to look into future too. And I, and I, I, I know this
49:16might sound crazy.
49:17Joel is like, let's say they get into a wildcard round series against the Red Sox. We're going to
49:21throw three lefties against you. Yep. Are they going to play Garcia? All three of those games?
49:26You know, I just, I, again, if you get to that moment and you have to deal with it, you'll
49:32figure
49:33it out. Ryan, I, I, this third time I bring this up, we've done this show for a long time.
49:39One of the things I've said to you quite often is, uh, usually the baseball gods deal with your issues.
49:47And if you have to manage it, then you'll manage it. But usually these things determine themselves.
49:53Like ultimately Jason Dominguez and Anthony Volpe played themselves off of the, the 2026 New York
49:59Yankees. These things decide themselves at, at, at, at some point it's so obvious what's happening.
50:06And you have to, you have to deal with the obvious, the future of Anthony Volpe, Joel, uh,
50:11does he play second base at triple a or I assume at this point, like, like he must put it
50:18in his
50:19tool bag. Uh, I think it would be, uh, been pretty consistent about this. Yeah. I think Anthony
50:27Volpe has a really decent shot to be an average or even better than average player as a second
50:34baseman outside New York playing next to a good shortstop. I think the pressure on him here,
50:40cause he's the Jersey kid who is the first round draft choice who grew up loving Jeter who wants
50:45it so badly here. Uh, and the hype that went into him winning the job in 23, uh, you know,
50:53and, and,
50:54and, and haunted and followed him and the Yankees relentless belief in not trying to find another
50:59shortstop in the time where he was failing has created something that makes it very difficult to
51:04succeed here. And I just think his physicality, especially his arm does not justify
51:10shortstop. So I think do I, the, the comp I keep using is could he be Caleb Durbin? Who's a
51:17incredibly valuable player for the Red Sox. It feels like that's in his skillset. Like that's an
51:22outcome that's possible. He actually hit lefties. I mean, he was doing that up here. And I, and I
51:28think he's tried too many swings. I think he was misserved by the, a philosophy taught by the Yankees
51:35that even he should lift and pull as if one size fits. So I understand the best thing you could
51:40do
51:40in baseball is pull the ball in the air. I get it. That's where the fewest outs are made,
51:45but it doesn't mean that everyone has the same fingerprints and that everyone should do it.
51:50Uh, and I don't think he should do it. Uh, and I think he should become Caleb Durbin and
51:58like the idea that he is the first round. He was the 30th pick in the, whatever he was,
52:02it was like, that's gone. Now the, after the day you're drafted, it's just, who are you?
52:08And it's like, I think he has a chance to be a good player. I think he's a serious kid
52:11who wants
52:12to play well. He wants it so much here. I think it's actually worked against them.
52:17Dominguez, like I'm saying the Volpe has to go down and learn some second base. I think Dominguez has
52:21to go down and learn how to play baseball. I, I, I actually I'm, I, and, and this is the
52:28one I'm
52:28never at peace with because like, where, where is the responsibility of manager coaching staff and
52:36where are players who are just unmanageable? Like, because, because I thought Joe Girardi did a good
52:43job on the broadcast a few days ago by pointing out that Dominguez just slides too late, that he has
52:49such force and velocity that he is constantly off the bag once he gets there and he has to slide
52:54earlier. I'm going to trust that if Joe Girardi knows it, the 600 people wearing Yankee uniforms all
53:02siloed up with their special jobs, somebody has told him to do it. Can he just not do it? Can
53:07he just
53:08not play balls on the ground in the outfield? Well, can he just never hit a cutoff man, the right
53:15cutoff man. It's just his baseball, uh, fundamentals are just not winning fundamentals.
53:25And I thought for a long time, he would be a 2020 helpful player. I feel less and less sure
53:33about
53:33that. I think he might get to 2020 cause he's just super talented. But if the idea is to win
53:41the
53:41baseball game and that should be the only thing people care about. And when you ask me what gets
53:46lost in a, in a metric analytic world where we silo up and we look at player skills and we
53:52don't
53:52think all the time about how they apply to winning, I don't think he's a winning baseball player.
53:59You've been saying that for a while now and Jason Dominguez, Joel, uh, just, uh, as we're recording
54:04this, uh, and Aaron Boone has said that Anthony Volpe will get, uh, play at second base in the
54:09minors. Uh, George Lombard is batting eighth and playing shortstop tonight to make his debut for
54:13the Yankees. Joel, to finish up this episode of pinstripe post, I want to ask you, uh, in the long
54:18term here, I believe, uh, Brian Cashman signed an extension through the 2026 season. I believe this
54:24is the end of the extension. Uh, if the Yankees don't get out of the wildcard round and let's say
54:30this,
54:31this, the way this Jenga does not play out right the right way. And the bullpen gets taxed too much
54:36and they don't get the arms back that they were hoping. And let's say judge doesn't come back to
54:40full strength and stand who know that who the hell knows what happened. And Bellinger comes back late
54:43and this thing falls apart and they lose in the first round. Is there a actual real discussion
54:49here about the future of Aaron Boone and Brian Cashman about this run has gone on long enough.
54:55And this year with the deadline, the way it went and the way this team just did not make the
54:59way it
55:00should have gone potentially in a weak American league. I know I'm saying a lot of ifs and buts
55:05is that discussion going to be had by Hal Steinbrenner? Yeah. I feel like that a little
55:10bit, like all the Stanton talk you were talking about, like we have a lot of time to go and,
55:14uh,
55:16let's see how it goes. I think, uh, it's very unpopular among the most, uh, virulent Yankee fans
55:23who have the loudest voice and the biggest presence in social media, I sense, but, uh, I actually think
55:29Brian Cashman does a very, very good job while saying that I thought he fell short at this
55:34deadline, that there had to be a way to at least one or two relievers. Uh, and that this mystery
55:41guest that will walk in and do better than him, like I need a name, I need proof of, uh,
55:47and, and,
55:48and I talk to executives from other teams all the time and I don't think they're fluffing it.
55:55Like they have no reason. We're talking on background. We're talking all completely off
56:00the record oftentimes. Uh, and I'll ask, you know, what do you think of David Stearns? How do you
56:05think he handled this? What do you think of Brian Cashman? How do you think he handled this? I mean,
56:08he gets pretty universally high grades in the sport. The Steinbrenner family really likes him.
56:16Uh, I never say never. Uh, there might be a day where Brian Cashman says, you know what?
56:23I just don't want to be beat up doing this anymore when I think I'm doing a good job and
56:26he walks away.
56:28I think he's dying to win another title to verify that he knows what he's doing. Uh, but I, I
56:35think
56:36the guy who would be in trouble is boo. You know, because I think that, I think that down D
56:42that,
56:43that, that Cashman who kind of served it out with, uh, with Joe Torrey and served with Joe
56:48Girardi probably feels the lifespan of a manager is about 10 years. I think this is year nine
56:53for Boone. You'd have to commit for several more years to him. If you're going to extend them.
56:59Uh, I think his contract though runs through 27, right? Is that right? Uh, so that would take
57:04him through 10 years. Uh, I think it's probably much more likely that the Yankees make no changes
57:09to the utter, uh, despair of their fan base. Uh, I always think that fans think that there's a
57:16mystery guest that will do better. I think if you were a Met fan three years ago, you were like,
57:21what a great thing that they hired David Stearns. And then David Stearns becomes the guy in charge.
57:28He, you, you could not have done better on the open market reputation wise, performance wise than
57:33David Stearns. Steve Cohn waited two years to be able to do it. And now I get it. It's been
57:39a bad
57:40couple of years for David Stearns, who also, I would say gets very high grades from his brethren
57:45who, uh, I think is a very talented executive who if given time, I think we'll fix a lot of
57:52the stuff
57:52that's wrong with the Mets. Will he get the time? I don't know. I don't know how patient Steve Cohn
57:56is. I know how patient house line Brenner is. Uh, um, I think that, that, that Boone better figure
58:04out a way to do some, a lot of winning, uh, cause that would do a lot to protect him.
58:10Cause I think
58:10he's much more vulnerable than, than, than, than cash. Especially in the post season, Joel,
58:15you talked about it before, uh, you've talked about this year as well. Joel Sherman, thank you so much
58:20for giving us all your time. As always. Uh, I know you're, you're tired or exhausted. This is a busy
58:24time of year, but we appreciate you as always coming on here, giving us your insight, giving us
58:28your, uh, analysis and everything about what's going on with this Yankees club. We'll see how
58:33it goes on the stretch run. And we're looking forward to catching up with you next week as
58:36always, man. Really? Thank you. I think that, uh, you've mentioned a few times. I, I, I don't look
58:41at these things that we were doing better, that more people are watching us. Uh, so the thank you
58:46actually for, and I hope that everyone continues throughout the rest of regular season and into the
58:51post season. I want to thank people who are follow following us and joining onto the kind
58:56of, uh, the, the, uh, the car as it's driving by here. So we, we really do appreciate it.
59:01Wouldn't want to co-pilot with anyone else. Thank you, Joel. Appreciate you, man.
59:05Thank you, Ryan.
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