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03:36But I know that the problem here is not Muslims.
03:42We believe that the problem is what women do or what they do.
03:49And we believe that this is possible to be a human being.
03:58Armed with some background knowledge on Oktar and a dash of Muslim feminism,
04:02I was ready to meet the kittens.
04:04Were they simply sexual objects or something more?
04:08So we're on our way to Adnan Oktar's studio, it's called A9 Studios.
04:12But instead of driving straight there, we're actually meeting one of their followers
04:16and he's going to guide us directly to his place.
04:19I'm not quite sure why and they're being kind of cagey about it.
04:21It might be because they don't want us to know the exact location of their studio.
04:26But either way, I know that it's a big compound
04:29and that's where Adnan Oktar lives with a lot of his kittens.
04:32Hello.
04:34Hi.
04:36Hi.
04:36Hi everybody.
04:37Meher, nice to meet you.
04:39Now we are going to the studio.
04:42Okay.
04:42Then you'll meet some of our friends.
04:45Okay.
04:45And then you'll see.
04:47Okay.
04:49That was ominous.
04:51He smelled nice.
04:54It still smells like him in the car.
04:58So this looks like our proper estate.
05:03Our cameras can film here?
05:05No.
05:05No?
05:07No.
05:08So we should wait I guess?
05:09Okay.
05:09Because of the security reason.
05:11Right away, our cameras were clearly making them uncomfortable.
05:15Hello.
05:16How are you?
05:17I spoke to Sarah.
05:19She said if we're not in the studios we could film.
05:22As policy, we want to record with our camera.
05:26Sure.
05:27And we'll supply with all the recordings.
05:29Okay.
05:29Okay.
05:33This is an editing camera.
05:35They will be controlled.
05:37After a long back and forth, the only place I could speak openly was in the bathroom,
05:42on a phone camera.
05:43So we've been told that we can't use our own cameras even though I discussed beforehand
05:48to let our cameras shoot here.
05:50It seems like we have some sort of policy where we can only use their kind of shitty cameras.
05:55They're going to edit it and give it back to us.
05:57So clearly they're really worried about their image.
05:59But we're going to play ball.
06:01See what they're going to do.
06:05Hello.
06:06Hi.
06:06My name is Oktar Baruna.
06:07Nice to meet you.
06:08Very welcome.
06:09Hi.
06:10This is Mr. Oktar's studio house.
06:12Great.
06:15Oh my gosh.
06:16This is like MTV Cribs.
06:32I got so caught up in the luxury, I forgot that this is the home of Islamic creationism.
06:39Oh, this is gorgeous.
06:41So what's this stuff?
06:42Well, here you see some paleontological evidences to show that the species did not evolve to each other.
06:53Okay.
06:53And these appear all of a sudden the species.
06:55These are real fossils as you see over here.
06:57For example, you see a seahorse five million years old here.
07:01And then you see the picture of the seahorse.
07:03You see they are no different.
07:06Yeah.
07:06Which means there is no difference being no evolution of course.
07:10We're waiting on them to finish Ramadan prayers and they're going to come mind us during dinner too.
07:16And then at 11 o'clock I'm going to go on a show.
07:19I'm not sure what they're hiding because actually like when the cameras are off everything seems pretty benign.
07:24There's only one kitten who we've seen so far.
07:27The rest have been corralled away until we see the show.
07:30It feels a bit like I'm in North Korea because everybody's smiling and everybody's into showing me how luxe the
07:37life is.
07:38But they are not letting us film anything at all with our own cameras.
07:43Like I said before.
07:45You know.
07:46There's someone coming.
07:47Turn off the camera.
07:48Turn off.
07:49In preparation for the show I was plastered with makeup.
07:52But even that we weren't allowed to film.
07:55I never wear makeup so it's new to me.
07:57Really?
07:58Yeah.
07:58Okay.
07:59Now good?
08:00Okay.
08:03Hello.
08:06Hello.
08:07Hi again.
08:08Welcome.
08:09But when I did finally get on set there were only dudes.
08:11No kittens to be seen.
08:41Here.
08:45If you have any questions you want to discuss, you can start immediately.
08:51Okay, so I came here because I'm making a TV program about women in Islam.
08:58I've noticed that we said in Turkey when we come here, it's very distinct because there are people who are
09:03covered and there are people who are not.
09:05Does he believe that women should be covered?
09:07If there are a lot of circumstances, if women are aware of it, it's necessary to protect women.
09:16God says that this is a direct rule.
09:20So, they can be closed by the human organs.
09:29So this means like a bikini for instance they can wear?
09:32Of course.
09:33So, there are many women that work on the A9 channel. Are they here tonight?
09:38Yes, they just came here.
09:40If you want to invite them, please.
09:45They are leaving?
09:46Yes, the ladies are coming.
09:57Let's continue.
09:58So, I talked to Abreu actually a lot about what women in Islam represent.
10:03And so I wanted to ask them of the women here how they feel about misrepresentations of women, Muslim women
10:10and media and things like this.
10:12So, a I can see women then in Shawn men can work hard to get on it.
10:17You know, men in this place of back, man ally of God love you and of course, people who are
10:29going nowhere,
10:29men about the world is so important.
10:30Second, it is completely open to the street.
10:37If it is open to the street, it is open to the street.
10:40If it is open to the street, it is open to the street.
10:42Why?
10:44The woman's potential such as a gun gun like this,
10:49this is the Orthodox Islam's most of the obstacles.
10:55This is a fake.
11:34I'm wondering if it's okay for me to ask one of the ladies if they can tell me their story
11:40a little bit. Is that okay?
11:49Of course.
11:50That's right.
11:51Okay. I don't know anyone of you that wants to answer but basically I was curious to know about how
11:56your life changed once you started following creationism and became part of the A9 team.
12:05Actually a lot of things changed when I met him because for example when you look at us all of
12:10us and I'm sure you also realize it from outside here women are always in front.
12:16We are not only equal but we are always superior so it's the best place for a woman to be
12:22in the world.
12:22Oh great.
12:23Because for example we have all seen the ways and how they treat women. Yes there is equality but for
12:30example when you enter a room for example in England in America there is no difference between a table and
12:37a woman in the room.
12:38But with him for example when a woman walks in a room it's like an extraordinary being walks in a
12:44room and he realizes every single detail and you know women can see a lot of details and it's very
12:49important for a woman.
12:51For example he realizes every little thing you change in your character in your appearance you did about yourself and
13:00it's very you know it's very respectful.
13:03So we are being treated very respectfully and it's the only place I can see in the world that this
13:08is being done in this level in the world right now.
13:10Is there a connection between the way that women are treated here and the creationism part of it?
13:15Of course because you know he does it because he believes that God created women like this and he emphasizes
13:23love and emphasizes that every single human being has a soul.
13:27This is why we are trying to make peace in the world not only against women but also with men
13:33too because you know for example for a lot of people in the West one person dying in the Middle
13:38East means nothing because they see themselves as superior according to their race, racial identity.
13:44And this also comes from Darwinism because Darwinism told people that there is something called race.
13:50Yeah.
13:50But in creationism every single person who is created is equal.
13:54Yeah.
13:55That's why of course this is the most important part of it.
13:58Okay.
13:58Darwinism also really needs women as well.
14:01Ah, how so?
14:03Darwin himself says it.
14:05Yeah.
14:05He says it's a woman is like a dog in the house and something can be played with, that's all.
14:13This position of being always superior and always in front, is this something new that you got to experience once
14:19you started believing in?
14:20It's new for everyone in the world.
14:22Yeah.
14:22There is nowhere in the world that does this to any woman.
14:25Yeah.
14:26The top that you can get in the world is woman being equal to man, right?
14:31And especially for example in America we know that many female CEOs earn much less than men because they think
14:38they don't deserve it basically.
14:41Yeah.
14:41They think women are not superior, women are not equal.
14:45But a lot more than I do, but that's why I don't belong and that's why I'm writing this book.
14:45For me, before I met Mr. Oktar, I didn't know religion.
14:50I didn't know that I could leave religion and be free at the same time.
14:55But after I met him I read his books.
14:59It opens my heart to the truth.
15:03What's the best book that I should read, if I'm trying to understand everything that you've written?
15:08Maybe everything. We cannot say one book because he has more than 300 books.
15:13But you have to read Atlas of Creation and Be Good to the Dark Danger.
15:18Okay, great. Yeah, I would love to see those.
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16:28This is such a good gift. I really appreciate it.
16:32That was the weirdest thing I've ever gone through in my life.
16:37It feels like someone rubbed crayon all over my face.
16:41So I'm unsure as to how these women do this every single day.
16:45The makeup process was hidden from us.
16:47Their PR handler lady really didn't want anyone filming me getting my makeup done.
16:53On one hand, it's like they're trying to make these women look like real TV presenters,
16:59but then on the other hand, in the middle of while somebody's having a conversation about women and politics and
17:05Islam,
17:06their leader starts playing Sia in weird Top 40 remixes and everyone has to start dancing in their chairs.
17:15Maybe the most illuminating part of it was when I asked the women in the audience,
17:20who, by the way, weren't speaking until I directly asked if I could speak to them how this changed their
17:26lives.
17:27And they all basically told me that they learned that they could be free even while being religious.
17:33Are they having better lives than they did before? What were their lives before?
17:37No one even wanted to talk about it.
17:38And at the end of it, I received this ginormous, like, 15-pound book about creationism that's full of obviously
17:46fake fossils.
17:47I mean, I thought that once I would meet them, I would understand a little bit more,
17:51but I'm even more confused about everything once I've left.
17:59When I came, I thought this was going to be a fun time, that this would be something that was
18:03light and bubbly,
18:05and we would have, you know, a fun hangout session by the pool with these ladies.
18:10And by the time we show up, it turns into this dark, kind of scary, uneasy situation where it's as
18:17if you walked into a reality show that's actually a prison.
18:20And instead of having any sort of resolve, we're left kind of empty-handed with their bizarre footage.
18:26To the outside world, their lives seem like a joke.
18:29They seem like something that's an embarrassment or there for spectacle.
18:33But in reality, these are real people, and their lives seem to amount to some sort of spectacle for one
18:39man,
18:39and that's their cult leader, Adnan Oktar.
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