00:00But still no deal for Christian Gonzalez.
00:03So he will be, I'm sure, limited this weekend
00:07and until that deal gets done.
00:10I wonder when it gets done.
00:12Like within the first week or two of training camp?
00:15Or is this something that gets done?
00:17In that two-week break where there used to be the fourth preseason game,
00:21it'll be in between the final preseason game and the start of the season.
00:24Okay.
00:25And it'll be a record-setting haul that they could just do today
00:30but don't want to be flexible or in any way capitulate to the players.
00:35So it'll take forever as it always does.
00:36Well, Rap Sheet says it's going to just be once the Devin Witherspoon contract is done.
00:40Like once that gets done, Gonzalez will just immediately follow suit.
00:43Well, and how long do you think Seattle is willing to wait on that?
00:46I think Curtis is probably right.
00:48Like by the end of preseason, it should be done.
00:51I just, they've had negotiations.
00:54They haven't gone superb, but they've gone forward, I guess.
00:58And so you're just kind of waiting for Seattle and Devin Witherspoon
01:02to come to the right number.
01:03And then Gonzalez will get just slightly more than that.
01:05I don't want anybody to lose their job.
01:07And I'm not saying that either one should, but if with the layoffs at ESPN,
01:11why are you paying four to five million each for Schefter and Rap Sheet?
01:16Like it doesn't, you know what I'm saying?
01:18They make four million.
01:19I mean, Schefter makes, might make more than that.
01:21Like they're both doing the same job.
01:24Right.
01:24Like they're, it just seems very odd to me that you would have both.
01:29I don't know.
01:30It just seems like if you're going to lay off Carl Ravage and Cam Newton and Ryan Clark.
01:34Right.
01:34Right.
01:34Couldn't you just put any kind of insider question you have into chat GPT?
01:39Can you ask chat GPT why ESPN employs both of them?
01:42Save that.
01:44But yeah, to me, it's going to take forever because no deal gets done unless there's an
01:48urgent, you know, finish line.
01:50What I don't understand is like, even with the Devin Witherspoon one, I guess the question
01:56becomes, do the Seattle Seahawks feel like he's worth more than what Trent McDuffie got?
02:03Right.
02:03And if you're the Patriots, I don't believe that people think he's worth more than Christian
02:09Gonzalez.
02:10So if you're the Pats, they just set the market high.
02:14Right.
02:15Set the market where he wants it to be set.
02:17Right.
02:18And let them deal with the, with their guy afterwards.
02:21Right.
02:21Like why, why do you care?
02:23But the, the X factor in the whole thing is that they have the same agent.
02:27Right.
02:28But even then though, right.
02:28Even if they, with the same agent, the agent probably goes, all right, Devin, you're not
02:33going to get more than Christian.
02:35We're going to fight to get you more than what McDuffie got.
02:38So, Hey, Christian, let's get you the one 15 and then Devin, you're going to fall somewhere
02:42between a hundred and a hundred and five.
02:45So, cause if, even if let's say, um, he's got to, he's got to represent both guys and
02:50get the best that he can for both guys.
02:52Right.
02:52So he's, it's like, uh, I had heard that, uh, when it came to Stilato and my mother's
03:00cutlets and, uh, Tommy DeVito being there this week, the, uh, cutlet place down the road
03:06was offering more money.
03:07Oh, okay.
03:10So they were offering more money and he ended up there.
03:14Was that just off a GP?
03:15Well, he added, he threw in, they threw in free cutlets for, uh, for life.
03:19Well, that's Tommy DeVito.
03:20That would, that would sway me.
03:21So, but no, but honestly, right.
03:23Cause even if you look at like, say McDuffie gets, I mean, not me, um, Witherspoon gets
03:29one Oh three.
03:31Aren't, if you're a Christian Gonzalez, isn't your number still going to be the same?
03:36Right.
03:36I don't think Christian Gonzalez is going, all right, give me one Oh five.
03:40Like, I think there's a number that he wants.
03:42And even if it is one Oh five, aren't you, if you're, aren't you go, all right, we're going
03:47to give you one Oh five.
03:48It's not like Witherspoon's going to go.
03:49All right.
03:50We want more than Gonzalez.
03:51I also think that this is going to impact Vrabel's connection to the players.
03:55Like you are a, you are a huge defensive minded guy who is a staunch player rep with, with
04:03the Patriots organization.
04:05Many people believe you were in the castle trade because you had the gall to talk about
04:09how you got no money from Patriot place.
04:10If, if Christian Gonzalez is struggling to get what he believes to be fair market value,
04:16the onus is on Vrabel to use that equity he has to make sure the deal gets done because
04:22Gonzalez wasn't a hundred percent and he played absolutely spectacular at a Superbowl.
04:29I'm shocked by the way that there are still some who don't think he's worth it.
04:33Like that 617 texter who said he's not that good.
04:37He's not worth top dollar.
04:39Yeah.
04:39It's a bad deal for them.
04:41You know, that gets beat way too much.
04:42What?
04:43You know, that's going to happen.
04:44Even when Drake Mays up to get his new deal, when that number comes up, they're going
04:48to be like, Oh, he's not worth that kind of money.
04:51What?
04:51The one thing that I have no backup plan though.
04:53No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.
04:55So they're going to have to pay him.
04:57I think Robert, I would, I want Robert Kraft to have a bigger profit margin.
05:00That's what I want.
05:00Here's the other thing, Curtis, to the Vrabel situation.
05:04What do they always say about Mike Vrabel, his players?
05:06When people ask about Vrabel, they love him and he's a former player.
05:11They always talk about, Oh, he's a former player.
05:13He understands.
05:14He gets in there.
05:15He does like the blocking.
05:17Yeah.
05:17Like he's in there.
05:18He's not afraid to get in the middle of a bloody nose or bloody lip or whatever the
05:23hell it is.
05:23But they look at him like, all right, even though you're a coach, you understand what
05:28we're dealing with, whether it's practice, you know, just the, the, the ups and downs
05:34of being a professional football player.
05:36So you should understand what it's like to be trying to squeeze every penny from an
05:43organization as a player, knowing that like, all right, my career might not be for long.
05:49So this could be my one deal.
05:51And you know, who the hell knows what happens after this?
05:54I get hurt or something in that.
05:55That's it.
05:56And I think a lot of players look at Vrabel, like to be fighting for them when he does
06:02go in there and being like, Oh yeah, we need to pay this guy, give him what that his agent
06:06wants.
06:07And I understand it's still, he's like got to play both sides of it.
06:10But I think as a former player, you understand what it means to get that generational money
06:17that could potentially change your life and not have an organization try to lowball.
06:22Uh, text from Vermont where we had an extraordinary road show this past road show season.
06:27Rattlebrook.
06:28Uh, the owners are accused of collusion all the time.
06:32Why isn't this collusion when it comes to the agent?
06:37What?
06:37I mean, well, I guess because you're representing two guys who are the best at the position
06:43and they're both looking at deals at the same time, but I, it's not two different people
06:48colluding.
06:48It's just one guy who happens to represent both of them.
06:51They're both like Scott, Scott Boris representing multiple MLB players.
06:54He's just going to get the best contract he can for both of his players.
06:57Bill Belichick had an agent that was the same as players he was negotiating with.
07:01Yeah.
07:01Well, it's like a Drake mating.
07:03I wonder if like one of the deals, like, let's say the Gonzalez deal comes in is he,
07:09then he's going to go and say, all right, uh, Seattle, you got to pay, you know, you got
07:14to be a couple million dollars over this.
07:17Does he then go back and say, all right, wait a minute.
07:19Now you got to be a couple million on the other deal with Gonzalez and it keeps going
07:24and it never stops.
07:25No, I think that guy needs to go to do chat GPT collusion.
07:29No, I, and I also think like as an agent, you know, where your place stands, right?
07:34Cause doesn't Drake may's agent also represent Josh Allen.
07:38I think that's what I believe.
07:39I believe so.
07:39Yeah.
07:40Right.
07:40So this is something that's going to happen next year with the Patriots when it comes to
07:43Josh Allen.
07:44So, but if you're the agent, you comes to Drake, excuse me, it comes to Drake may.
07:48If you're the agent of Christian Gonzalez, you go, he's the better player than Witherspoon.
07:53So he's obviously going to get more, even if I get a deal done before Witherspoon, I
07:59can't go to Seattle and go, all right, give me more than Gonzalez.
08:02I can say, all right, he's between McDuffie and Gonzalez.
08:07So meet me in the middle there and get that.
08:09Yeah.
08:09Yeah.
08:09And that's why I say with Drake may, if his agent is the same as Josh Allen, doesn't
08:14Drake may tell his agent.
08:16All right.
08:17When we start with my deal, especially if I have another great year, when we start with
08:22my deal, I want it to be more than what Josh Allen has gotten.
08:27It will be interesting.
08:28And.
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