00:00Ted Johnson was saying this, and I agree.
00:02It is kind of a bad look when you're the player and the owner comes out
00:06and says, we made him an offer that would have made him the highest paid
00:11guy at his position, the highest paid player in team history,
00:14because then fans look at it and go, damn, what you waiting on then?
00:18Yes.
00:19I agree.
00:21Take the deal.
00:22Now, maybe he's helping his agent out because his agent represents
00:28more than one player.
00:30And so maybe the expectation is that, you know, by signing early,
00:38you're going to affect what the Seahawks are willing to pay.
00:41I don't know.
00:42But, I mean, to me, it's like if the owner says we offer to make you
00:46the highest paid player at the position in the league,
00:50then you should take the deal and be delighted about it.
00:53Besides Gonzo, how do other players in that locker room probably feel?
00:56If they hear that Kraft is out there saying that about him,
00:59do they feel a certain type of way about Kraft doing that?
01:02Or do they feel a certain type of way about Gonzo making it about him?
01:05No, I think they feel more, they're more with the player than they are
01:08with the owner.
01:09So they were like, you know, why would you say that?
01:11Because then the next player who might be up for that contract,
01:15is that something now he's going to deal with?
01:17Because when you look at it, right, it's all about what side in the minds
01:22of, you know, players at this point, who's paying it as the bad guy, right?
01:26Who's the guy that, oh, they don't want to pay him the money.
01:29The players like, you know, fans are like, pay this guy.
01:31He's worth it.
01:32Why aren't you giving him the money, right?
01:34So all the negative press is going towards the owner.
01:37But then once the owner says, hey, we want to make him the highest paid player,
01:40then at all that goodwill switches to like, damn, why isn't Gonzo not taking it?
01:48Why doesn't somebody begin the Q&A today with what was the guaranteed money
01:52that was offered?
01:53Yeah, that's the only thing I care about.
01:54That's the only thing I care about.
01:55That's it.
01:55And then he can answer that and be direct or he, you know what I'm saying?
01:59Like, nothing else matters.
02:01Right.
02:01Because Robert Kraft can say it's the most expensive deal in history,
02:04but it can just be funny money.
02:06It's all about how many millions of dollars did you guarantee it
02:10and when did you guarantee it for?
02:12Right.
02:12And like Trent McDuffie got four years, $124.
02:14Let's say they gave him four years and $130 million.
02:18Yeah, is it worth more than Trent McDuffie's deal?
02:21But how much in guaranteed money did you only offer him $90 million or $95
02:26less than what Trent McDuffie got?
02:28The guarantee on that deal was $100 million.
02:32$100 even.
02:33On, yeah, Trent McDuffie, yep.
02:34Okay.
02:35Yeah, he had $100 million in total guarantees.
02:38That's all players care about.
02:40What is my total guarantee?
02:43And if you're saying, all right, well, we gave you $130 over four years.
02:46McDuffie only got $124, but he looks and goes, wait a second,
02:51McDuffie got $100 million guaranteed.
02:53You're only willing to give me $90 million guaranteed.
02:56And the media, honestly, is equally as culpable as the owners in talking about it
03:00because the only thing the media should report as it pertains to NFL contracts
03:02is what's actually guaranteed.
03:04That's it.
03:04Like Josh Allen.
03:05Josh Allen got, I want to say, six years, $334 million.
03:10Next year, when Drake May is available to get his new deal or contract extension,
03:18he's going to sit there and go, okay, he got $334 million,
03:21but he got $250 million guaranteed.
03:24I want to be more than that.
03:27Now, the Patriots are going to have to make a decision.
03:30I will say, it seems, it sounds a little bit unusual for Robert Kraft to go out
03:38and be very specific when it comes to a deal like that.
03:41Of course.
03:42I mean, you know, I can see Jerry Jones doing it.
03:44It's not the type of thing that Robert Kraft does a lot.
03:47You know why he do it?
03:48Because he gets that favor back to him.
03:50Well, he wants to put the player in a position where he now has to take the deal
03:54and everybody's asking.
03:55I also think for so long, so many people called Kraft cheap.
03:58He wants to put that focus back on, no, I've got the money.
04:01I can spend the money and I will spend the money.
04:02Well, if you really want to do that, then go, we offered him more in guarantees
04:07than any other player at his position.
04:10Then now you know, okay, so they offered him more than Trent McDuffie, right?
04:16Because we're all waiting for what the actual contract looks like.
04:20See, that's the problem.
04:21Fans don't understand that sometimes.
04:24Can't you guess that his agent, so Robert Kraft, they offer him this deal.
04:30His agent is turning around and taking that deal to Seattle and saying,
04:36you've got to pay Witherspoon more.
04:39So it's a never-ending circle.
04:42But I think there is still, even with agents, right,
04:47there is still an understanding of reality of who the player is.
04:53So when you look at the player and you go, all right, Witherspoon,
04:56you're a top five corner.
04:59You're not worth more than Christian Gonzalez, right?
05:02Emergency top five corners from your perspective right now.
05:05Right now, I'd have Gonzo one.
05:09Number one.
05:10Patrick Sertain, two, out in Denver.
05:14Number two.
05:15What is it, Derek Stingley Jr. and Houston?
05:18Texas, yep.
05:19Number three.
05:22Damn.
05:23I still like Sauce Gardner.
05:24I know.
05:25Number four.
05:27And number five.
05:29Who would be my number five top?
05:31I'd probably put Trent McDuffie up there for him.
05:34Number five.
05:35You have to use the number third from Courtney, like Jones and Keeftu.
05:39That's right.
05:40Oh, that was the whole point, I guess.
05:44But like, because here's the, here's the, here's the.
05:47Coming in at number third.
05:50Can we get Courtney's numbers?
05:51Because I think that's what Gonzalez's guarantee request is actually this.
05:55And his.
05:56That's $1.429, $626.
06:01Like Greg, here's the real question, right?
06:03Do we all believe, and Shyam, you're the, you're the deep dive all 22 guys.
06:09We all believe, and I think the league believes, that Gonzalez is better than Witherspoon.
06:14Correct?
06:15Yes.
06:15Agreed.
06:15And so his agent probably knows that, and his agent is saying, hey, listen, I'm going
06:19to do my best, but ultimately, you know, we are probably not going to get more than Christian,
06:24right?
06:24But we'll try to get you more than Trent McDuffie.
06:26This is the question that I asked to the room.
06:29Let's say, and they have the same agent, I believe, Josh Allen and Drake May.
06:34Let's say Drake May has a good year, not maybe MVP voting year or that kind of thing.
06:40Do you believe his agent looks at him and goes, all right, you're worth more, or we're going
06:48to be able to get you more than Josh Allen?
06:51No, I think he does.
06:53Yeah.
06:53I think he does.
06:53Because he's younger.
06:54Yeah.
06:54There's more in the future.
06:55Yeah.
06:56It's different.
06:56If he has a good season, not an MVP year, you think that his agent will look at him and
07:01say, we can get you as much or more than Josh Allen?
07:04Yes, because the reason being, because Drake May is younger than Josh Allen, so he still has
07:09so much more to grow.
07:10Whereas when you're comparing two guys at the same age that are getting contracts at
07:14the same time, it's different.
07:15There has been enough time that's gone by from Josh Allen that contracts are just naturally
07:19going up with inflation, plus the likelihood that Drake May will produce in the future.
07:24All that results in a contract that's bigger than Josh Allen's.
07:27I think you might be onto something a little bit, because there's going to be a conversation
07:32within those walls where the Patriots might sit there and go, we think he's a talented
07:39player, but we don't know if he's at Josh Allen's level.
07:44Okay, but he was in the MVP discussion last season, and you added A.J. Brown.
07:50Right.
07:51How is he not?
07:51How many A.J.
07:53That's why I said it depends on if he has a good year and he's not back in that MVP
07:58race.
07:58Right?
07:59That's where the conversation is going to...
08:01Sean, cover your ears.
08:02I know Sean doesn't want to hear it, but that's going to be the conversation.
08:05You're talking about $270 million, $280 million in guaranteed money.
08:12Somebody will pay it if he's a free agent.
08:14Yeah.
08:14No doubt.
08:15Well, I don't think...
08:15They would sign him to a $300 million guaranteed.
08:17If he was a free agent available to all 32 teams, he would make north of $350 million
08:22in guaranteed money.
08:23You would have to think that they viewed him, and when I say they, they would look at him
08:28and go, okay, the rest of the league believes that he is what last year was.
08:35What does Kirk Cousins get every year?
08:37Not with Josh Allen.
08:39No, but he was getting $50 million, $40 million a year with that deal with the Falcons.
08:43The perfect example...
08:44He was 35, 30, 35.
08:45And he stunk.
08:46No, the perfect example...
08:47Jacoby Brissett's getting 15.
08:48The perfect example is Trevor Lawrence, right?
08:52Trevor Lawrence was younger than Josh Allen, younger than some of these guys.
08:55But Trevor Lawrence hadn't gone to an ASU title game, a Super Bowl, or been close to
08:59an MVP.
08:59Sean, you keep...
09:00You only hear one part of the opinion I'm making.
09:03I said if he doesn't do what he did last year, that becomes the conversation.
09:09But what are we talking about for a year that's not last year?
09:12Just so I can understand...
09:13Let's call it 26 touchdowns and 14 interceptions.
09:18Okay, and that's basically what Mahomes has done the last two years.
09:21Where are they in the playoffs?
09:23Let's say they lose in the divisional round.
09:26Yeah, he's still getting $300 million.
09:28Yeah, he's still getting $275 million guaranteed.
09:31All right.
09:31No doubt about it.
09:32Mahomes looks a little ginger out there on the knee.
09:34I don't know if you saw that.
09:35The legs look skinny.
09:36I didn't see that, does he?
09:37Yeah, a little bit.
09:38Check it out.
09:38No, I didn't see that.
09:39But that's going to be the biggest question next year, Greg.
09:41Greg is because you think we've talked about this.
09:45And I think it was one of my leads, Courtney.
09:47You weren't here.
09:48And Shyam is a stand, and I get it.
09:50But we've talked about this.
09:52I don't think the rest of the league, similar to like a Jalen Brown situation,
09:57gives Drake May the respect that he should be getting.
10:02I think that they look at last year and go, yeah, that was a fluke year.
10:06It was the schedule.
10:07It was this.
10:08Like, Drake May's good, but he's not at that level.
10:12ESPN just ranked him the number one player under 25.
10:15Under 25.
10:16That includes a list with Jackson Smith and Jigba, who was just the leading receiver in the NFL last year.
10:20But under 25, I'm talking about...
10:22Good for you, pronouncing the full name.
10:23I'm talking about where he is when he's compared to other quarterbacks.
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