00:01Paul Serra, behind the glass, he's raging.
00:05Now, Paul is a very calm man.
00:08Paul did not go to state.
00:09Paul did not go to Michigan.
00:11Paul is kind of right down the middle.
00:14He's originally from Florida.
00:15You should hear the language he was using during the break.
00:17So I said it.
00:18I go, no, no, no.
00:19The rules of this show are simple.
00:22If you're going to say it here, you better say it there.
00:24Say it with your chest.
00:24Unless it's an FCC violation.
00:26That would be different.
00:27But, no, just, Paul, say what you were saying.
00:30Because I'm not mad.
00:32I just don't know what else to say.
00:34Everybody that has anything to do with Michigan Athletics
00:37has been exiled over, like, the last four years.
00:39And their ultimate findings are they have minor communications issues
00:43in the department.
00:44And they should have better ways to report things.
00:47That's it.
00:48And we're supposed to take that seriously.
00:51Yes.
00:52Sure, I guess.
00:53Yes.
00:54Absolutely.
00:55Yes.
00:55And, Paul, great point.
00:58It's why I said I would be thoroughly disappointed if this ended any other way
01:03for Michigan.
01:04This is like your villain arc.
01:05Yeah.
01:06Because I think 10 years ago, you and I would be raging.
01:09Right.
01:09But I think it was almost like, you know, Michigan offered us foreplay
01:14before they really effed us.
01:16Like, all the cheating just wore you down to where you went, eh.
01:22I feel like Larry David right now.
01:24I mean, I expected, Mike, to use the whole mark.
01:28I expect, like, every exiled Michigan person to be Thanos sitting on an island
01:32making soup.
01:33As each one just walks onto the planet, oh, they finally got you.
01:37Yeah.
01:38They got me.
01:39Yeah.
01:39But that's okay.
01:40We got Mel Pearson on the hibachi.
01:43You got all 16 Michigan football coaches.
01:46Sharon, you want to get the grill?
01:48All right.
01:48New guy gets the grill.
01:49So, Sharon's blowing up the balloons.
01:52Right.
01:53On his last day leaving the building, they hire someone that throws rose petals
01:58at his feet as he's walking out.
01:59No, they actually throw laptops at your feet as you stomp on them and destroy
02:03the evidence.
02:04But, again, it just –
02:06You earned that one.
02:08I think it's something that you have to – I sadly say this, not like I've lost
02:14my fastball, but when it pertains to college athletics, I can't muster up anything because
02:20there's no governance.
02:22Okay.
02:22There's no rules.
02:23And there's no – it just doesn't matter anymore.
02:26I separate this from college athletics.
02:28I separate this from NIL and transfer portal.
02:31So, I look at this as this is a case, if you're going to cheat, cheat big.
02:38Don't cheat little.
02:39I'll harken back.
02:41Michigan State cheats little.
02:43You do stuff and then you – it blows up in your face.
02:46If you're going to cheat, you have to –
02:49Go big.
02:50Like, the only thing may be Georgia's driving record.
02:55Like, other than that, like, you have to do something that's so in your face.
02:59People are like, did you do that?
03:00Yes, I did.
03:01And?
03:03Oh, okay.
03:04I was just wondering who – did you really have Conor Stallion's – yes.
03:09Didn't he wear a spot?
03:10Yes, he did.
03:11Did you cheat?
03:12Yes, he did.
03:14Did you get it?
03:14It was no advantage.
03:17Okay.
03:17But this sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer.
03:20Yeah, I cheated.
03:21And?
03:22All right, man.
03:23You are not the father.
03:25So I look at this different than just the college football stuff that has turned you off.
03:29I look at this as – this is the villain arc.
03:32This is – they're untouchable.
03:35This is, like, mafia style.
03:37This is, like, Don Corleone.
03:39Oh, and that's where I –
03:39They can't be touched.
03:40And I just accept it for what it is and move on because I don't care anymore.
03:44Now, I feel for people if they're passionate about it.
03:46I don't – I'm not asking anybody to feel any type of way.
03:48You do whatever you want to do.
03:50But the material nature of this, to say that Ward didn't do enough to go, but he's going,
03:59or he's guilty, but yet he gets to be the steward.
04:02I mean, you know, come on.
04:04I mean, it's basic stuff.
04:05But, I mean, isn't that the Michigan way now?
04:08And, David, I'll hearken to you, David, because you're the Michigan –
04:11Harbaugh wins the title and he then walks out.
04:14Yeah, but we're not going to talk about the cheating at all.
04:16Like, this man gets interviewed now in the NFL.
04:19Nobody ever brings it up.
04:20It happened, but it didn't happen.
04:22Everything from Michigan happened, as Paul stated, but it didn't happen.
04:26We don't talk about it.
04:27We don't bring it up.
04:28You know what happened.
04:29We got the title and we did some things.
04:32And it's okay.
04:33I mean, even, you know, Gus and Joel, Michigan's, have been some adversity.
04:39Adversity?
04:39Dude, they were part of the biggest cheating scandal in college football,
04:42and you labeled it a little bit of adversity.
04:45Guy goes out and gets six women pregnant while his own wife's pregnant.
04:48You know, Bob's dealing with some adversity.
04:50That ain't adversity.
04:51That's not adversity.
04:54I mean, we can get to some of the people.
04:56I'm fine.
04:57I just – Paul was, like, bouncing his head off the wall.
04:59And I'm like, Paulie, just – if you feel passionate, just say it.
05:03I don't know what you want from me.
05:04It just doesn't add up.
05:05It doesn't make any sense.
05:06It doesn't, but it does.
05:08And that's maybe the civilian arc that you're talking about.
05:11I stopped trying to fight the river and just – I'm going with the river.
05:14Rico's in a – he's going tubing.
05:16Right.
05:17And the river, it's fun.
05:19And it takes you places, Paul.
05:20And it's like, wow.
05:23Right.
05:24Really?
05:25And you're going to get away with this?
05:26Yes, we will.
05:28Anybody going to say anything?
05:28No, they won't.
05:29In a way, I admire it from afar.
05:32I admire it up close.
05:33Because State just acts like a bitch.
05:35Like, at least Michigan is just like, no, we're going to run a motorcycle club.
05:39This is the deal.
05:40Think about it, Mike.
05:42And once again, when they do something, it then goes away.
05:46Michigan knew they were going to get shellacked by Ohio State.
05:49COVID, not playing them.
05:51State had an opportunity.
05:52No, no, no.
05:53We're going to play them.
05:55But they just did it, and nobody talks about it.
05:58But you chose.
05:59Okay.
06:00Rico, they sent a guy to put on a costume to be on their sideline to record Michigan State.
06:09Who does that?
06:11Once again.
06:12Okay.
06:12David.
06:13We're not doing this.
06:14Get the inner tube.
06:15I'm sorry, Mike.
06:15No, no, no.
06:16Can I opt out of this and Scoobal?
06:18David, no.
06:19You can only get one.
06:20Damn it.
06:21David, get the inner tube.
06:23Come join me.
06:24This is a fun ride.
06:25I don't know where it's going to take us, but it'll be fantastic.
06:28I promise you that.
06:30I can't wait until the Michigan fan calls in like, well, if you think about it, it was
06:32genius because he could spy on them.
06:34He's wearing a costume.
06:35He could never be tied back to Michigan.
06:37Paul, I'm not a Michigan fan.
06:39It was genius.
06:40It was genius.
06:41They got away.
06:42It's so bad that the NCAA said, we should throw the book at you.
06:47We should do all types of heinous things to you, but nobody ever thought to make a rule
06:53against this.
06:54So here's a slap on the wrist.
06:56No, there's a rule against it.
06:57What they said is, we're out of the business of taking away wins and we don't want to hurt
07:02the kids.
07:03Right.
07:04Eastern Michigan, watch out.
07:06Yeah.
07:06No, there's a decided rule against this.
07:08And then it's everything that went under.
07:11I mean, again, I don't, I want to, all right, you know what?
07:13I'm changing.
07:14I'll talk school.
07:14I'm opting out of that.
07:16No, I don't want to do this.
07:17No, no, no.
07:18But then that same NCAA comes after you and D were punching these kids with stuff that
07:24happened four years ago.
07:25Huh?
07:26Make it make sense.
07:28Don't ride the ride.
07:29Bernie Madoff would cost people billions and the SEC goes and punches a homeless guy in
07:35the face at Penn station.
07:38What are you doing to poor U of D can't even afford uniforms?
07:42Dead.
07:43Right.
07:43David, just ride the ride.
07:44As a matter of fact, the cameras is coming up.
07:46Smile.
07:46We'll get the photo later.
07:48Like, like we're at the music.
07:54David, if you got a few ticket texts, we can get them and I'm not a couple of people
07:58want to talk about.
07:58I'll do it.
07:59I just, I feel bad for people like Paul because Paul is like aghast.
08:04He hasn't been around this enough.
08:07Paul was us a few years ago.
08:09Yeah, that's fair.
08:10He was.
08:11And it wore you down.
08:12It wore me down.
08:13Because at a certain point you just, you, you end up where people want to gaslight you
08:18and you're like, okay, I'm not doing this.
08:19This is just silly.
08:21What do you want me to do?
08:22There's no advantage.
08:23And so what if you need new to plays?
08:26I give you the TCU game.
08:29That's the advantage right there.
08:30I feel like Rico, you're like Morpheus to me.
08:32You're like, it's the red or the blue pill, Paul.
08:34Which way do you want to go on this?
08:35Right.
08:36Right.
08:36You take the blue pill and you go back home.
08:40You take the red pill.
08:42Not that blue.
08:43Not that blue pill.
08:46Different blue pill.
08:47David from Ohio texting and it says.
08:49Slightly lengthy.
08:51What's that drop you have?
08:53That's tremendous.
08:57David from Ohio texting and it says, who in the college sports has integrity?
09:01What are we even talking about here?
09:04Ah, the old what about-ism.
09:06I got you.
09:07Everybody cheats.
09:08Oh, that's the other one I love.
09:10Yeah.
09:10Well, everybody steals signs.
09:12Everybody steals.
09:13Not like that.
09:14If you have a TV and a DVR, you can record and look at tendencies.
09:19You can't pay people to attend games and film the whole game in seats that have a direct view of
09:24the sideline.
09:25You can't have opposing players like Cade Stover who are in the NFL saying, we never ran this play.
09:30We never ran this play, yet they knew this play.
09:34Like, guys, come on, man.
09:37There's a lot.
09:38Just, I don't want to do this.
09:39Why are we doing this?
09:40Because people keep texting in this.
09:42Because nobody thinks scouting and stealing signs is as big of a deal as you guys.
09:47It's been around as long as sports itself.
09:50Can I just say this once?
09:51It's 2026, right?
09:52That's a straw, man.
09:53Okay.
09:53Uh-oh.
09:53Once again.
09:54And then I'll leave this.
09:56That's the funny.
09:57It is not the same.
09:59If you're watching the play happen and you see certain tendencies, if this wide receiver lines up in this spot,
10:07it's a run play.
10:08That's just pure observation.
10:10You don't get an opposing team's Halloween spirit uniform, go on the sideline, don some spy glasses, and cheat this
10:21way.
10:22That's cheating.
10:24That's different.
10:26That's why nobody respects the championship.
10:28If it didn't provide you with a significant advantage, why did you go to such lengths to do it?
10:34Okay.
10:35I'm going to ask you real questions.
10:37You can either provide real answers or just leave.
10:40I'd like to say I'm doing this against my will.
10:42I'd like to state that for the record.
10:44And if it wasn't that big of a deal, how did you get embarrassed by TCU?
10:48This just started with Ward.
10:49Can we just...
10:52This is rude.
10:54It's Monday.
10:55You shouldn't do this to people.
10:57Yeah, exactly.
10:58Welcome back, buddy.
10:58Thanks, pal.
10:58I missed you.
10:59I missed you.
11:00I missed you.
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