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00:00Cooperation ends today. It is time for him to pay.
00:07Those rhyming lines were aimed at Donald Trump,
00:13and they are from one of the many people Donald Trump hates.
00:19Today, as every Republican in Congress, in the House, and in the Senate
00:25who is running for re-election, cowers in fear of Donald Trump
00:30every single day of their lives, people who Donald Trump threatens,
00:34people who Donald Trump hates as much as he has ever hated anyone,
00:38continue to stand up to Donald Trump,
00:43and one of them is going to make him pay, and pay very soon.
00:50Former Special Prosecutor Jack Smith came to this network today
00:54to do the first interview he has ever done
00:57about his two federal criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump.
01:02Did that interview with Nicole Wallace here at 5 p.m.
01:06Donald Trump has repeatedly threatened to imprison Jack Smith,
01:11and Jack Smith, who told Congress in public testimony
01:14that he developed proof that Donald Trump is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,
01:19said today, there is nothing Donald Trump can say or do to intimidate him.
01:28I am not going to be intimidated, and there's no way in the world,
01:32if the thought was to go after me so that I wouldn't speak up
01:37about the corruption that's happening,
01:39or speak up to defend these agents and prosecutors,
01:42that is a grave miscalculation.
01:44There is no way I'm going to be intimidated.
01:47And E. Jean Carroll, who is now 82 years old
01:51and who has beaten Donald Trump in court repeatedly
01:55in two different cases,
01:57is now telling Donald Trump it is time to pay up.
02:03E. Jean Carroll's most recent crushing of Donald Trump in court
02:08came when the United States Supreme Court
02:10unanimously rejected Donald Trump's appeal
02:13of the $5 million judgment
02:15that a federal jury awarded to E. Jean Carroll
02:19three years ago
02:21after finding Donald Trump,
02:24as the New York Times put it,
02:26quote,
02:26liable for sexually abusing and defaming Ms. Carroll.
02:31In order to pursue his appeal,
02:34Donald Trump had to put the $5 million
02:36in an escrow account controlled by the judge in the case.
02:40Both sides of the case,
02:42Donald Trump's lawyers and E. Jean Carroll's lawyers,
02:44at the time agreed
02:46that the money would have to be paid
02:49as soon as Donald Trump got to the end of the line
02:52of his appeals,
02:53which is, of course,
02:55the denial of a petition for the Supreme Court
02:58to hear the case.
02:59And that happened on Monday.
03:01And immediately,
03:03according to E. Jean Carroll's lawyers,
03:04Donald Trump's lawyers called E. Jean Carroll's lawyers
03:08to ask for an extension
03:10on paying the money
03:11that Donald Trump now owes E. Jean Carroll in that case.
03:15Attorney Roberta Kaplan,
03:17who has successfully represented E. Jean Carroll
03:19in this case at every stage,
03:22told the judge in writing,
03:24quote,
03:24Defendants counsel contacted
03:26Carroll's undersigned counsel
03:28to inquire
03:29whether Carroll would consent
03:31to a further stay
03:33of enforcement
03:34of the judgment
03:35in this action
03:36so that defendant
03:36can ask the Supreme Court
03:39to reconsider its denial.
03:43And yeah,
03:43I'm kind of laughing about that
03:45because the Supreme Court
03:46just doesn't reconsider their denials.
03:48I mean, theoretically,
03:49technically,
03:49it's possible,
03:50but it's way, way, way
03:51less than a 1% chance.
03:54E. Jean Carroll's lawyer
03:55had a one-word answer
03:57for the Trump lawyers,
03:59no.
03:59And then she immediately
04:01filed a motion
04:02with the judge
04:03saying, quote,
04:05The court should enforce
04:06the plain language
04:08of the existing stipulation
04:09and order
04:10and direct immediate
04:11disbursement of funds
04:13because the $5 million judgment
04:15gains interest
04:16every day
04:18that Donald Trump
04:18doesn't pay it.
04:19And it has been gaining
04:21that interest
04:21for three years now.
04:23The total
04:23that Donald Trump
04:24actually owes E. Jean Carroll
04:27as of Tuesday
04:28was
04:30$5,779,783
04:34and it has gone up
04:36since then
04:36because it goes up
04:38every day
04:39that Donald Trump
04:39doesn't pay it.
04:41E. Jean Carroll's lawyer
04:42reminded the judge
04:43of all the delay tactics
04:45Donald Trump has used
04:46throughout this case
04:48over the years
04:49and quoted the judge himself
04:51as having said
04:52in the past
04:53that Donald Trump,
04:55quote,
04:55should not be permitted
04:57to run the clock out
04:58on a plaintiff's attempt
05:00to gain a remedy.
05:03E. Jean Carroll's lawyer
05:04ended her nine-page motion
05:06with these words,
05:08quote,
05:08To date,
05:10Carroll has agreed
05:10to each of defendants
05:12many requests
05:13to delay the payment
05:15he owes her.
05:16Given the extraordinary lengths
05:17he has taken
05:18to avoid such payments
05:20and that each
05:21of those efforts
05:22has been denied
05:23in full,
05:24that cooperation
05:25ends today.
05:27It is time
05:28for him to pay.
05:30Carroll.
05:32The judge gave
05:33Donald Trump
05:34a deadline
05:34of next Tuesday,
05:36July 7th,
05:37to reply
05:38to that motion.
05:40It is at this point
05:41impossible
05:42to foresee
05:43any other outcome
05:44than the judge
05:46ordering Donald Trump
05:47to pay
05:48the now
05:49almost 5.8 million
05:51dollars
05:51that he owes
05:52E. Jean Carroll
05:53within a matter
05:54of days,
05:54probably within
05:55this month
05:55of July.
05:57And so it's
05:58time's up
05:59for Donald Trump
06:00because
06:02E. Jean Carroll
06:03says it is.
06:06Time's up
06:07for Donald Trump
06:07because our judicial
06:08system was designed
06:09to allow a private
06:10citizen to have
06:11the same rights
06:12and powers
06:13in a courtroom
06:14that anyone else
06:16has,
06:16even if the other
06:17person in the case
06:18is currently
06:19the president
06:19of the United States.
06:20And that is why
06:22Donald Trump
06:23has tried
06:23to destroy
06:24that system.
06:26That is why
06:27Donald Trump
06:27has tried
06:28to poison
06:29the federal judiciary
06:30with incompetent
06:32federal judges
06:32like the one
06:33he appointed
06:33in Florida
06:34whose place
06:35in history
06:35will be having
06:36disgraced herself
06:37by doing everything
06:38she possibly could
06:39to block
06:40Jack Smith's
06:40prosecution
06:41of Donald Trump
06:42for violations
06:43of the Espionage Act
06:44and the illegal
06:45possession
06:46of classified documents
06:47after Donald Trump
06:48left the presidency.
06:49That is why
06:50Donald Trump
06:51has poisoned
06:52the Justice Department
06:53by trying to fill it
06:54with people
06:55including an FBI director
06:57with no allegiance
06:58or expertise
07:00and no allegiance
07:01to anything
07:02or anyone
07:03other than
07:04Donald Trump.
07:05Donald Trump
07:05cannot survive
07:06in a federal
07:08criminal justice system
07:10that actually works.
07:12And so he's done
07:12everything he can
07:13to destroy it
07:14not because of
07:15some political
07:16or philosophical belief
07:17but entirely
07:18as a matter
07:20of self-protection
07:22protection
07:24from brave
07:25plaintiffs
07:26like E. Gene Carroll
07:28who could not
07:29be intimidated
07:30by Donald Trump
07:31and brave prosecutors
07:33like Jack Smith
07:34who could not
07:35be intimidated
07:36by Donald Trump.
07:38Donald Trump
07:39can afford
07:39the 5.8 million dollars
07:41that he owes
07:41E. Gene Carroll
07:42and the federal judge
07:44handling the case
07:45knows that
07:46because like all
07:47federal judges
07:48in New York City
07:48he must read
07:49the New York Times
07:50which has been
07:51delivering the best
07:52reporting on
07:53Donald Trump's
07:53profiting from
07:55the presidency.
07:55Eric Lipton
07:56whose work at
07:57the New York Times
07:58now is dedicated
07:59to putting the
08:01financial dealings
08:02of the president
08:03of the United States
08:04under an investigative
08:05microscope
08:05will join us
08:06in our coverage
08:07this hour.
08:09Donald Trump
08:09did an interview
08:10with CNBC today
08:11the business news
08:12network
08:13where he made
08:14it very very clear
08:15that he does
08:16not care at all
08:17about the personal
08:19business
08:20of economic
08:21survival
08:21in this country
08:23for people
08:24who continue
08:25to worry
08:25about the cost
08:26of living
08:27and especially
08:29the affordability
08:30of housing.
08:33In a few days
08:34it's going to
08:35become law
08:35one way or the other
08:36the housing bill
08:37right?
08:37Are you going to
08:37sign it?
08:38Will it become law?
08:39Where do you
08:40stand on that?
08:40I know you call
08:41that a yacht.
08:45He had nothing
08:46to say about it.
08:47Just went silent
08:49there.
08:50Nothing.
08:52And then
08:52after dozens
08:54of rambling lines
08:55including quote
08:56nobody knows more
08:57about housing
08:57than I do
08:59Donald Trump
09:00returned
09:01to the housing
09:02bill
09:03but still
09:05wouldn't say
09:06if he would
09:07sign it.
09:10But the housing
09:11bill is fine.
09:16There's a lot
09:17of Democrat
09:18points in there
09:19that I don't
09:20even think are
09:21good
09:21but it's fine
09:23but I've made
09:24the case
09:24I'd rather not
09:25sign anything
09:26until we sign
09:27the Save
09:29America Act.
09:33And that's it.
09:34That's everything
09:35he said
09:37about the cost
09:38of living
09:38and affordability
09:39in America
09:40which is to say
09:41nothing.
09:43He said nothing.
09:45As we have
09:46explained on this
09:46program before
09:47if Donald Trump
09:48doesn't sign the bill
09:49it will automatically
09:50become law
09:51after 10 days
09:52unless he vetoes it.
09:54But
09:55saying the housing
09:56bill is fine
09:57is an indication
09:57that he is not
09:58going to veto it
09:59but not signing
10:01it proves
10:02that he is not
10:03trying to rush
10:04help to Americans
10:05through a bill
10:07supported by
10:08most Democrats
10:09and most Republicans
10:10in Congress
10:10who are concerned
10:12about the affordability
10:13of housing.
10:14Joe Kernan
10:15gave Donald Trump
10:16a sort of
10:17predictable
10:18perfectly reasonable
10:19question
10:20that most interviewers
10:22would give
10:22on the eve
10:23of a big
10:24American birthday
10:25like the 250th
10:27and Donald Trump
10:30had no answer
10:32to a question
10:34that has been
10:35a welcomed
10:36softball
10:37for every
10:38president
10:39in history
10:40who has ever
10:41been asked
10:42this question
10:42which is most
10:43of them
10:44do you have
10:46a favorite
10:47president?
10:50Do you have
10:51a favorite
10:51president
10:52or do you
10:54think there's
10:54a period
10:55that was
10:56so formative
10:57that have
10:58we lost
10:58our way
10:59in any respects
11:00do you think
11:00at this point?
11:01We've had
11:01some very
11:01bad presidents
11:03the president
11:04has got
11:04tremendous power
11:05in this country
11:06even before
11:07the decision
11:07that I got
11:08slaughter
11:08they go with
11:09the slaughter
11:10decision
11:10which is
11:11an interesting
11:11name
11:12but that's
11:13a very
11:13powerful
11:14decision
11:14but it gave
11:15a lot more
11:16power to the
11:16president
11:17but it has
11:17been a strong
11:18presidency
11:19not just me
11:20it's been a
11:21strong presidency
11:22it's considered
11:23a strong
11:25office
11:25you know
11:26other presidents
11:26are not considered
11:27a strong office
11:28even if you're
11:29president you can't
11:29do as much
11:30but now with
11:31this additional
11:32I mean it's
11:33it's very special
11:36we are respected
11:37again as a country
11:38maybe like never
11:39before
11:39a year and a half
11:41ago we were
11:42laughed at
11:42they're not laughing
11:43anymore
11:44they respect us
11:45the king of
11:45Saudi Arabia
11:46told me
11:46and I said
11:46this numerous
11:47times
11:47he said it
11:48but many
11:49people said
11:50it said
11:50president
11:51a year and a
11:52half ago
11:53America was
11:54dead
11:55they thought
11:56it was dead
11:57and right now
11:58you have the
11:59hottest country
12:00anywhere in the
12:00world
12:01and we do
12:01well let's
12:02hope for another
12:03250
12:05like that
12:05thank you
12:06very much
12:10do you have
12:11a favorite
12:12president
12:13that was the
12:14question
12:15and the
12:17answer
12:17is clearly
12:19no
12:21Donald Trump
12:22was asked
12:24to think
12:26about someone
12:26else
12:27and he just
12:29couldn't
12:30do it
12:31he doesn't
12:32have it
12:33in him
12:33to think
12:35about someone
12:35else
12:36every
12:37elementary
12:38school
12:39student
12:40in America
12:41has an answer
12:42to that
12:43question
12:43do you
12:44have a
12:45favorite
12:45president
12:46and Donald
12:46Trump
12:47doesn't
12:49for Donald
12:50Trump
12:50there is
12:50nothing
12:51Abraham
12:51Lincoln
12:51did
12:52that could
12:52make him
12:53Donald
12:53Trump's
12:54favorite
12:54president
12:55nothing
12:55Washington
12:56or Jefferson
12:56or either
12:57Roosevelt
12:58or Kennedy
12:59or Reagan
13:00Donald Trump
13:02has spewed
13:03hatred
13:03for every
13:04living
13:05president
13:05his first
13:07line
13:07his very
13:09first line
13:10on the eve
13:11of the country's
13:11250th birthday
13:13when asked
13:13if he has
13:14a favorite
13:14president
13:15his very
13:16first line
13:16was quote
13:17we have had
13:18some very
13:19bad
13:19presidents
13:21that is
13:23what this
13:23man
13:25full of
13:25hate
13:26said about
13:27the American
13:28presidency
13:28that was the
13:29only thing
13:29he said
13:31and he never
13:32said
13:33we've had
13:34even one
13:35good president
13:37and that's
13:38what you
13:38get
13:39from the
13:4080 year
13:41old mind
13:42of a man
13:42who treats
13:43the presidency
13:44as a side
13:45job
13:45while his
13:46thoughts
13:46remain locked
13:47on money
13:48lies
13:49and revenge
13:52he's right
13:54we've had
13:55some very
13:55bad presidents
13:57and that
13:58is the
13:58category
13:59in presidential
14:01history
14:01where Donald
14:02Trump
14:03reigns
14:03supreme
14:05he is
14:07the worst
14:08of the
14:10worst
14:12leading off
14:13our discussion
14:13tonight
14:13is Iowa
14:15State
14:15Representative
14:16Josh Turek
14:17he is the
14:17Democratic
14:18candidate
14:18for United
14:20States Senate
14:20in Iowa
14:22Josh thank
14:23you very much
14:24for joining
14:25us again
14:25tonight
14:26and I
14:26think
14:27the audience
14:28here knows
14:29that we're
14:30not rushing
14:31around the
14:31country
14:32trying to
14:32find every
14:33obscure
14:33candidate
14:34running in
14:35Republican
14:35territory
14:36who might
14:36have a
14:37chance
14:37so I
14:38just want
14:38to brief
14:40the audience
14:40on the
14:41latest here
14:42in the
14:43polling
14:43in Iowa
14:45which is
14:46a return
14:47to an
14:48Iowa
14:48that I'm
14:49old enough
14:49to remember
14:50when Democrats
14:51could be
14:51elected to
14:52the United
14:52States Senate
14:53like Senator
14:54Tom Harkin
14:55and there
14:56it is
14:56there it
14:57is
14:57the Democrat
14:59Josh
14:59Turek
15:0050 to
15:0146 among
15:02registered
15:03voters
15:03and then
15:04when you
15:04get to
15:05the people
15:05who are
15:05really going
15:06to rush
15:07to the
15:07polls
15:07it opens
15:08up
15:1056 to
15:1141
15:12and
15:13Josh I
15:14don't like
15:15to use
15:15polls in
15:16our coverage
15:17of campaigns
15:18and what's
15:19happening
15:19and the
15:20issues
15:20but this
15:21is one
15:22where I
15:22think people
15:23have to
15:23see this
15:24and no
15:25matter what
15:26the outcome
15:26is in
15:27November
15:27as of
15:28right now
15:28tonight
15:29something
15:30really
15:31profound
15:32politically
15:32is happening
15:34in Iowa
15:35is it
15:36about
15:36Donald
15:37Trump
15:39well
15:40Lawrence
15:40thanks for
15:40having me
15:41it's good
15:41to be back
15:41with you
15:42my friend
15:43yeah
15:44I'll tell
15:44you this
15:44Iowans
15:45are ready
15:45for change
15:46in everywhere
15:46that we're
15:46going all
15:47across the
15:47state
15:48we're getting
15:49a lot
15:49of Republicans
15:50and independents
15:51that are
15:51showing up
15:51to our
15:52events
15:52that are
15:53talking
15:53about
15:54they don't
15:54recognize
15:55the state
15:55or the
15:56country
15:56that they
15:57live in
15:57I mean
15:58Iowa
15:58we are
15:59uniquely
15:59struggling
16:00we are
16:01basically
16:01dead last
16:02for every
16:03economic
16:03metric
16:04healthcare
16:05metric
16:06we've
16:06closed
16:06250
16:07more
16:07healthcare
16:07clinics
16:08than we've
16:08opened
16:08in the
16:09last 15
16:10years
16:10only state
16:10with a
16:11growing
16:11cancer
16:11rate
16:11and now
16:12because
16:13of the
16:13tariffs
16:13leading the
16:14nation
16:14in farm
16:15foreclosures
16:16Iowans
16:16are ready
16:17for change
16:17and the
16:17winds of
16:18change
16:18are here
16:19I want
16:20to show
16:22an ad
16:22for your
16:23campaign
16:23that is
16:24as people
16:25will recognize
16:25right away
16:26unlike
16:27any ad
16:28maybe
16:28any of us
16:29have ever
16:30seen
16:32that's all
16:32I'm going to say
16:32about it
16:33let's take a look
16:33at this
16:36well Josh
16:36tell us
16:37how did you win
16:37that house seat
16:38when no one
16:39said that was
16:39possible
16:40the blueprint
16:40the blueprint
16:41is hard
16:41work
16:41grit
16:42and determination
16:43I went out
16:44every single
16:45day
16:45crawling those
16:46stairs
16:47knocking doors
16:48dragging my
16:48wheelchair up
16:49having face-to-face
16:51conversations
16:52with republicans
16:53with independents
16:54with democrats
16:55it did not matter
16:56the party
16:56very first thing
16:57they would say
16:58is how in the
16:59world did you
16:59get up here
16:59and I would say
17:00I crawled up here
17:02I drove my
17:02wheelchair up here
17:03that's how important
17:04it is to have a
17:05conversation with you
17:06talk about red
17:06states and red
17:07districts and red
17:09senate seats
17:09turning blue
17:10look no further
17:12than Iowa
17:15Josh
17:16when I first
17:18became aware
17:19of your candidacy
17:20and understood
17:21your condition
17:21I immediately
17:22thought of
17:23President Roosevelt
17:24Franklin Delano
17:24Roosevelt
17:25who we all
17:26now know
17:27spent his entire
17:28political career
17:29in a wheelchair
17:30but he didn't
17:32want the public
17:32to know at the
17:33time and it was
17:33pretty easy
17:34relatively easy
17:35to make that
17:36something people
17:37didn't know
17:38he found ways
17:39of pretending
17:40to be able
17:40to stand up
17:41on his own
17:41when giving
17:42speeches
17:42we've come
17:43an awful long
17:44way from that
17:47and what has
17:49been throughout
17:49your career
17:50in Iowa
17:51have people
17:52just ignored
17:53it the way
17:54it feels
17:55the appropriate
17:56way to regard
17:58it it just
17:59doesn't seem
17:59like a real
18:00factor in
18:02dealing with you
18:03in any way
18:03especially if you
18:04can climb up
18:05my stairs like
18:06that
18:07no I don't
18:08think it is
18:09I mean honestly
18:10when I would
18:11crawl the stairs
18:12the first question
18:12they would always
18:13ask me is
18:13how in the world
18:14did you get up
18:14here and I
18:15would say
18:16I crawled
18:16that's how
18:17important your
18:17vote was to
18:18me and in a
18:19five minute
18:19conversation when
18:20people would
18:21learn about me
18:22learn about what
18:23I'm fighting for
18:24common sense
18:24prairie populism
18:26fighting for the
18:26people not just
18:27for the billionaires
18:28and the large
18:28corporations
18:29I would find
18:30over and over
18:30and over a lot
18:31of Republicans
18:31would say
18:32I'm not going
18:33to vote for
18:33every single
18:33Democrat but I'm
18:35going to vote for
18:35you and when
18:36you earlier I
18:37heard you talking
18:38about you know
18:38President Trump
18:39not being able to
18:40talk about his
18:41favorite president
18:41I can tell you
18:42for me one of my
18:44favorite presidents
18:45without a doubt
18:46is FDR and I
18:47say that one of
18:48my political
18:49north stars my
18:50political philosophy
18:50is a quote from
18:51FDR which is
18:52the test of our
18:53progress of a
18:54society is not
18:55whether we add
18:55more to those
18:56with abundance
18:56but whether we
18:57have enough to
18:58those with the
18:58least
19:01Josh Turek thank
19:02you very much for
19:03joining us again
19:04tonight please
19:05come back as
19:05the campaign
19:06progresses
19:07Iowa is
19:08absolutely back
19:09in play and
19:11depending on how
19:11you read that
19:12poll you're
19:14either way ahead
19:15or just ahead
19:16thank you very
19:17much
19:18it is in play
19:18and if people
19:18will help us
19:19Turek for Iowa
19:20dot com we can
19:20push for change
19:21here in Iowa
19:23thank you thanks
19:24for joining us
19:25and coming up
19:26New York Times
19:27Pulitzer Prize winning
19:28reporter Eric Lipton
19:29now has one of the
19:30most difficult
19:31assignments at the
19:33paper following
19:34the money
19:35the Trump money
19:36Eric Lipton
19:38will join us
19:39next
19:45in their
19:46important best
19:47selling new book
19:47regime change
19:48inside the imperial
19:49presidency of Donald
19:50Trump New York
19:51Times reporters
19:51Maggie Haberman
19:52and Jonathan Swan
19:53write there was so
19:55much capitulation
19:56so much conquest
19:57so much corruption
19:58it became hard
19:59to follow and
20:01that is exactly
20:01where Eric Lipton
20:03picks up the
20:04baton our next
20:05guest Pulitzer Prize
20:06winning New York
20:07Times investigative
20:07reporter Eric Lipton
20:08is following the
20:10money in the Trump
20:11family businesses
20:13Eric Lipton's byline
20:15is on five different
20:16stories just this week
20:18and it's only Thursday
20:19on Tuesday Eric Lipton
20:21was part of the New
20:22York Times team
20:22reporting that quote
20:24President Trump
20:25reaped a stunning
20:26windfall in his
20:27first year back in the
20:29White House including
20:29about 1.4 billion
20:31dollars from his
20:32family's cryptocurrency
20:32businesses and new
20:34filing shows all told
20:35the president pulled in
20:37at least 2.2 billion
20:39dollars a figure that
20:40includes other parts of
20:41his vast holdings such
20:43as his real estate
20:44assets that compares to
20:46a minimum of 622
20:47million dollars his
20:49enterprises pulled in for
20:50all of 2024 before he
20:52returned to the
20:53presidency yesterday Eric
20:54Lipton and his
20:55colleagues at the Times
20:56reported the president's
20:58927 page financial
21:00disclosure showed how
21:01Mr. Trump and his
21:02family reaped huge
21:04financial rewards in
21:052025 through his money
21:07losing Trump media
21:09venture and a separate
21:11cryptocurrency firm called
21:12World Liberty Financial
21:14even as routine
21:15investors suffered vast
21:17losses he also amassed
21:19hundreds of millions
21:20through deals that
21:22involved foreign
21:23governments or
21:23corporations with agenda
21:25items pending before the
21:27Trump administration the
21:29week began with Eric
21:30Lipton and the
21:30investigative team breaking
21:32news on Sunday under the
21:34headline Trump cut a
21:35billion dollar mining
21:37deal his sons stand to
21:39profit an agreement
21:40between the US and
21:41Kazakhstan has given a
21:43group of American
21:44investors with ties to the
21:45president and the
21:47commerce secretary Howard
21:48Lutnik access to one of
21:50the world's largest
21:51untapped reserves of
21:53tungsten the Times reports
21:55the arrangement is hardly an
21:57outlier one of both of the
22:00families have financial ties
22:02to at least 14 companies
22:04that are actively working with
22:07the federal government and on
22:09critical mining deals
22:10including the Kazakhstan
22:11project according to federal
22:13filings examined by the New
22:15York Times all 14 of these
22:17companies have either benefited
22:18directly from offers of
22:20financial assistance from the
22:22Trump administration or have
22:24pending permit applications
22:26before the Commerce Department
22:28which Mr. Lutnik oversees the
22:31Times found the total amount of
22:33federal funding that the Trump
22:35administration has provided or
22:37is considering providing to the
22:39companies exceeds 8.9 billion
22:43dollars according to public
22:45statements by the companies and
22:47federal government in his
22:49interview with CNBC today
22:50Donald Trump defended all of
22:52this this way
22:55I feel badly in a way for my
22:57kids because every time my
22:59kids do if they invest in a
23:00stock or they go and do a
23:02bill anything they do
23:04because the presidency is so
23:06powerful so big everything if
23:09they buy a cupcake company well
23:11the energy to make the
23:13cupcakes is you know sort of
23:16like how's my energy policy so
23:19therefore you have a conflict
23:20almost anything they do if they
23:23want to buy a truck if they want
23:25to buy you know they buy an
23:26energy efficient truck they have
23:28inside information
23:31and genius now is pulled surprise
23:33winning the New York Times
23:34investigative reporter Eric Lipton
23:36Eric if there's anything in what
23:38Donald Trump just said that you
23:39want to respond to that that's fine
23:41I it's the usual mismatch of stuff
23:44that he's saying there it doesn't
23:46seem to apply to anything but the
23:48disclosure forms that you've got
23:50these federal disclosure forms 900
23:53pages they're not as specific as
23:56people might imagine they don't have
23:58in some instances they don't have
23:59very specific dollar items they just
24:01have ranges of possibilities how do
24:06you how do you get a picture of the
24:08whole in looking at that a lot of
24:12them when it comes to President Trump
24:13do in fact have individual you know
24:15specific dollar amounts of revenues
24:17that the Trump organization saw from
24:20different operations be it Mar-a-Lago
24:23or the Doral Hotel or the World Liberty
24:26Financial or the meme coin and so and
24:28then all these international deals
24:30involving you know Saudi Arabia real
24:32estate company or in Vietnam you can
24:34see the line items for each element of
24:37their business operations and see how
24:38much revenue not necessarily profits but
24:40revenue they made so we we saw in Maggie
24:46Hamer and and Jonathan Swans reporting
24:48that a sense even from them you know
24:51these these dogged attentive reporters
24:53that the the amount of this financial
24:56activity is so vast and so complex that
24:59it's hard to follow as they put it none
25:01of us could follow it what is your own
25:04sense of how much you and the team at the
25:07New York Times have been able to follow
25:09do you think you can see at this point
25:12this the basic shape and size of the
25:15entirety of it or do you feel you're at
25:18the tip of an iceberg or the middle of an
25:20iceberg or what does it feel like it is
25:23overwhelming and it's required adding more
25:26and more people to spend you know just in
25:28really a global operation to try to dig
25:31into this and I think you know for the
25:33last year and a half we have been amazed at
25:35just the reach of these efforts to make
25:38money by the family that overlap with
25:40directly with the authority of the
25:42president and his actions and the
25:44cryptocurrency and the predictions
25:45markets and critical minerals and
25:47defense spending and drone spending all
25:49of these things are businesses that the
25:51Trump sons are now in or that the
25:52president himself is benefiting from
25:54directly financially but it was still like
25:57pretty incredible to see the totals I
26:00mean we all knew that he was making a
26:02great deal of money on these business
26:04operations but I don't think I just
26:06didn't imagine just a one and a half
26:09you know a 1.4 billion dollars from
26:11crypto because particularly given that we
26:14know that most of the people that bought
26:16that meme coin almost you know the
26:18largest share of them they lost
26:19billions of dollars by following him he
26:22enticed them to to bet on him and his
26:25meme coin when most meme coins are such
26:27speculative platforms they almost always
26:29they rise and they fall and there are
26:32there are you know hundreds of thousands
26:33of people that followed his suggestion
26:35and that they're losers they lost money
26:38and he walked away with hundreds of
26:40millions of dollars from their losses and
26:42it's just it's just sort of astounding to
26:44think that this happened involving the
26:46president United States
26:48Eric Lipton we cannot thank you enough for
26:50this reporting I think we have a sense of
26:52how difficult it is and thank you very much
26:55for staying with it thank you for joining
26:56us tonight thank you coming up with the
27:00250th anniversary of the signing of the
27:02Declaration of Independence upon us
27:04professor Eddie Glaude's new book is
27:06titled America USA how race shadows the
27:11nation's anniversaries professor Claude
27:14will join us next
27:19last night Pulitzer Prize winning journalist
27:22Isabel Wilkerson whose most recent book
27:24titled cast the origins of our discontents was
27:28quoted by Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson in her
27:32opinion on birthright citizenship and she said
27:35this
27:36I just find it so fitting that the Supreme
27:39Court you know for all of its mysteries
27:42reaffirmed birthright citizenship you know the
27:45foundation of what it means to be an American
27:46and you know to do this on the eve of the
27:49250th anniversary of the United States I
27:53think is extremely meaningful you know it
27:55it reinforces the language that she was
27:57using also which was this idea of the
27:59second founding which was the remaking of
28:02the country through the reconstruction
28:03amendments you know after essentially the
28:07civil war practically broke the country
28:09apart so what it does is it calls upon us to
28:12recognize that you know unlike the old country
28:15where from which we declared independence we are a
28:20nation of people from all over the world from all over
28:24the world and we you know together made a country that
28:27had never existed before and so the idea of this being
28:31reaffirmed on the eve of the 250th anniversary feels like
28:35it's a full circle recognition particularly with all that we've been
28:38through as a nation in the last you know the in recent times um this seems
28:43like um a fitting moment for this to have happened
28:49Princeton professor Eddie Glaude jr seems to have anticipated
28:52all of this in his new book America USA how race shadows the nation's
29:00anniversaries he writes with every anniversary of the nation's founding the
29:05divided soul of America this idea of the country as a beacon of freedom and a
29:10white republic is experienced in convulsions around race that threaten to
29:15tear the country apart American anniversaries are often moments to turn a
29:19blind eye to the evils of the past and the present to suppress the fact of
29:25America's divided soul and joining us now is Eddie S. Glaude jr distinguished
29:31university professor of african-american studies at princeton university and an
29:35ms now political analyst his new book America USA how race
29:40shadows the nation's anniversaries is available in your bookstores and online
29:44now professor glaude thank you so much for
29:46joining us tonight and uh your your title says it all and here
29:51we are here we are uh on the eve of one of these
29:54big anniversaries and race returns to the subject yeah i mean we thanks so
30:01much for having me uh Lawrence we are in that moment where you know the
30:04contradictions at the heart of the country are in full view uh and one has
30:09to ask the question what what will be what will we be celebrating come to july july
30:144th uh will we be reaching for that storybook version of the country that
30:19secures our innocence and virtue in order to turn a blind eye to the
30:23ugliness of our current days or will we in so many ways try to tell
30:27ourselves a story uh that reveals our shortcomings such
30:31that we can actually imagine how we're going to get to the other side of this
30:34madness um as i was listening to isabel wilkerson uh last night i was
30:39thinking about you know the the history that informs and shapes
30:44right the context of the assault on the reconstruction amendments
30:48i was thinking about the slaughterhouse cases i was thinking about
30:51uh usa versus cruxshank i was thinking about the civil rights cases of 1883
30:56the very ways in which the 14th amendment was under assault almost immediately
31:02afterwards and the context uh that led to not the end of reconstruction
31:07but its murder and what happened in that period and how that in so many ways
31:13shapes and informs the birthright decision arguments that we're grappling with in
31:202026. the uh i think it's possible that the
31:24person most quoted in uh more than just the the chief
31:29justice's opinion uh but justice jackson's uh justice thomas
31:33was frederick douglas who uh in your book uh you quote his
31:38famous july 4th oration where he said the rich inheritance of justice liberty
31:45prosperity and independence bequeathed by your forefathers is shared by you not by me
31:53this fourth july is yours not mine you may rejoice i must mourn
32:01that and and that voice was very present in this decision this week
32:08yeah and in american usa i try to pull that voice into our current moment what does it mean for
32:14us to
32:14celebrate july 4th and the gutting of the voting rights act what does it mean
32:18that associated press is reporting tonight uh that ice has arrested over the last over the
32:24end of the june of end of june 10 000 people uh disappearing them into these detention centers
32:30what do we do with the end of tps the redrawing of districts in the south here we are you
32:35know
32:35douglas said that america was full of the apostles of forgetfulness right those folk who would
32:42not who would disremember he said the country was destitute of political memory and in that july 5th
32:48speech lawrence he he gave a warning to the nation even as he embraced our special mission
32:54he said that we had to remove the serpent coiled in the bosom of the nation and in some ways
33:01he was
33:01saying that's the only way we could release us release ourselves into a different way of being in
33:07the world um one has to ask the question since he's being invoked 200 you know in the 20 250th
33:13year of the country whether or not we listened professor eddie glad thank you very much for
33:19joining our coverage tonight thank you for having me and coming up we'll consider how donald trump's
33:26disastrous handling of the reflecting pool on the national mall reflects his disastrous handling
33:34of his war in iran that's next
33:40dal trump was thrilled to make this announcement last week six people have been arrested and seven
33:46people have been cited for the damage they did to our country's now beautiful reflecting pool
33:51good luck finding a washington dc jury who will convict them of that trump accusation and all trump's
33:58newfound worry comes long after he pardoned the worst vandals in washington history the thousands of
34:07trump supporters on january 6th trying to overturn the presidential election in a conspiracy against
34:11the united states of america for which donald trump was indicted by jack smith the real vandal of the
34:20reflecting pool on the national mall in washington dc is of course donald trump himself on may
34:287th donald trump's motorcade actually drove into the empty reflecting pool after it was painted and
34:36sealed and before it was refilled with water and the weight of those vehicles surely did serious damage
34:43to the integrity of the bottom of the reflecting pool how profoundly stupid do you have to be to drive
34:50a
34:51car on the bottom of a pool and how lazy do you have to be that you couldn't walk the
34:58new york times
34:58reported at the time that an expert quote said he was also concerned by mr trump's decision to drive
35:04his motorcade across the pool's surface that might have put huge amounts of weight on the notoriously
35:10leaky and newly repaired joints between its concrete slabs if it were my project i'd require an immediate
35:18inspection mr arhan said donald trump has reached the point of his presidency where it is obvious to
35:24anyone that he cannot get anything right from war with iran to getting clean water in a pool something
35:31millions of swimming pool owners in america are enjoying right now at their homes because they are
35:37better at pool maintenance than donald trump or donald trump and his no-bid contractor in a new york times
35:46podcast hosted by daniel weykin columnist tom friedman draws a connection between donald trump's reflecting
35:54pool failure and donald trump's failure in iran there is a parallel between trump's failure to clean up the
36:08persian gulf and his failure to clean up the reflecting pool at the lincoln memorial and because
36:16both to me are failures of a commander-in-chief because both were done in their own way through
36:23no-bid contracts and no-bid contracts which don't allow any other bidders than the one the president
36:29anoints always gets you in trouble so in the case of the reflecting pool we know that the national park
36:35service bypassed competitive bidding and gave the 1.7 million dollar contract to a firm called
36:42greenwater services which happened to be run shock are you sitting down dan by a trump campaign donor
36:50what happened instead of turning the reflecting pool blue as the way trump wanted for the fourth of july
36:58it's turned into a algae of green blooms that have uh basically wrecked the whole scene
37:08now why do i compare that no-bid contract with the u.s israeli war against iran because in a
37:16way trump
37:17approached it too in a kind of no-bid fashion let's go back to the reporting of our colleagues maggie
37:24haberman and jonathan swan from the key decision making in the situation room at the white house
37:33trump invited in bb netanyahu the prime minister of israel he was in the situation room it was a no
37:40-bid
37:40moment where netanyahu then brings onto the screen the head of the mossad and the mossad tells trump
37:47that through aerial bombing they can decapitate the regime and trigger a popular uprising in iran
37:56and of course none of that happened trump didn't even have in the room his energy secretary his uh
38:03treasury secretary and his own experts the director of the cia called the israeli idea farcical and his
38:13secretary of state marco rubio called it but trump went with his gut with his no-bid contract with bb
38:22netanyahu and the result has been the strait of hormuz has been turned from blue into green red and white
38:33the colors of the iranian flag no-bid contracts get you in trouble whether they're in the mall
38:41or in the gulf
38:44pulitzer prize winner david ferenthal new york times investigative reporter who broke the news about
38:49the no-bid contract for the reflecting pool reported kitty martin the spokesman for the
38:55interior department said that the department had not been aware of the political affiliation when
39:00it awarded the contract this company was selected because they had the expertise workforce and
39:06materials needed to complete the job in time she said ms martin and a white house spokeswoman both
39:13said the white house was not involved in the selection of this company katie martin works for
39:19a president who was recorded telling over 30 000 lies in his first four years in the white house the
39:25trump
39:25regime has refused to reveal exactly who decided to give the contract to the reflect of to the for the
39:36reflecting pool to this guy who has given donald trump 350 000 in campaign contributions since 2016.
39:462016. we'll be right back
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