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00:12Thanks for coming.
00:15Sometimes I like to just hide in the shadows.
00:22Create a new persona.
00:25A different I don't see.
00:30I can be whoever I want to be.
00:35In 1983, Madonna played her first ever UK gig at the Camden Palace.
00:41Then, in 2005, she came back to the venue to launch her new album, Confessions on a Dance Floor.
00:49Tonight, I'm on my way back there to meet the great lady herself on the eve of the release of
00:55her new album, Confessions 2.
01:01I'm always nervous at meeting Madonna, but I do adore her.
01:06She brings me back to really when I first arrived in London, and I would see videos playing in clubs,
01:15I would listen to her music, I'd watch desperately seeking Susan.
01:18And so it's an extraordinary thing for me that I've got to interview her a few times, and at the
01:23O2, she even dragged me up on stage, and I got to dance with her, which is quite something.
01:29So, I look forward to having a great night with Madonna at the Camden Palace, now called Coco.
01:35So, I'm so lonely, I can't take any more, give me a chance, so I'll get down on the floor
01:43tonight, oh baby, I'll do it right.
02:02And it all started like this.
02:05I like the way she acts, because I think all women should be able to act like they want without
02:09being run down by men at all.
02:11I made it through the wilderness, somehow I made it through.
02:18A young lady who is currently the hottest property in America.
02:22Now, she's not completely unknown here, because she's had an unbroken string of hit records in the past year.
02:27She is Madonna.
02:29Play Baltimore! Play Baltimore!
02:31There are some recording artists who reflect history.
02:35Then, there's Madonna, who defines it.
02:38Her music, her face, her name have been part of my life and yours for over four decades.
02:44She's sold 450 million records and counting.
02:48Like a virgin, hey!
02:52Touched for the very first time.
02:55I want longevity as a human being.
02:57I want it to last forever.
03:02Since her debut single, Everybody, in 1982, a U.S. club smash hit, Madonna has captured the hearts and loyalty
03:09of fans across the globe.
03:12Strike the pose.
03:13She gets what she wants and she does it.
03:17She is my icon.
03:19She is my icon and I love her.
03:21She made me this.
03:23She made me be who I am.
03:28She's a rule breaker, a rebel.
03:30With extraordinary vision, powerful ambition, and fearless artistry, Madonna has helped shape the landscape of fashion and pop culture.
03:49If you choose a moment in time, from the 1980s...
03:59To the 1990s...
04:06Into the 21st century, her music has been the soundtrack.
04:17Madonna was the coolest girl on the dance floor and she's never left.
04:25It's been seven years since her last album.
04:27That's quite the gap.
04:29But now, Madonna is back.
04:31There couldn't be a better time for us to talk.
04:43So how's your evening so far?
04:48I've been so free.
04:52I've been so free.
04:56I've been so free.
05:00I've been so free.
05:06Come on, meet me on the dance floor.
05:10Madonna, as I live and breathe.
05:12Back on the dance floor where you belong.
05:14Where I belong.
05:15How are you?
05:16I'm good.
05:16Great.
05:17I'm ready for your audition.
05:18Well, you know, I've worked up a bit of contemporary dance.
05:21I think you'll be impressed.
05:23We will be doing this one more time.
05:25Ready, sit, press, never mind it.
05:28Stand, stand on.
05:30Camera speed.
05:33Action, action, please.
05:36So this is where you launched Confessions on a Dance Floor in 2005.
05:40Now we're on the eve of Confessions 2.
05:43Yes.
05:44How come you keep coming back to dance music?
05:47What's so important about dance music and dance floors?
05:49Well, that's how I started.
05:50I was a dancer, so dancing's in my DNA, and the first music I made was dance music.
05:58I like the connection I have with people, dancing with people, whether I'm on the stage
06:02or on the dance floor.
06:03It just creates community.
06:05And sometimes relationships.
06:07Oh, dance, oh yeah, the dance of, dance of love.
06:10Sure.
06:11So when did you discover the community of a dance floor?
06:15When I was in Michigan, my ballet teacher, who was the first gay man that I met...
06:20Not the last.
06:21Definitely not the last.
06:23Well, he told me I have to go to this club called Menjo's.
06:27It's in Detroit.
06:27He's like, I have to show you something.
06:29It's going to blow your mind.
06:30I'm like, okay.
06:32And so I walked into this club, and the doors opened, and there were these two really beautiful
06:40men without their shirts on, wearing roller skates and bow ties and shorts, and they had
06:46a drink on a tray.
06:47And I was like, wow, we're not in Kansas anymore.
06:52And that was my first dance floor experience, when everybody was so free, and girls were dancing
06:56with girls, and boys were dancing with boys, and some people were just whirling around by
07:01themselves, and I was like, wow, this is so amazing.
07:03Everybody's so free.
07:05Cut to my song, I Feel So Free, which I just released, and I feel a tremendous sense of
07:11freedom when I'm dancing.
07:13And thinking back to the first Confessions album, and the huge success of Hung Up, that
07:18must have been an amazing moment.
07:21It was, because we didn't have any idea how brilliant it was.
07:26No, but, well, I mean, I don't have any expectations.
07:29I've been doing this for a long time, so, you know, hope for the best, prepare for the
07:33worst.
07:35But it was a huge success.
07:37It took me by surprise, that's for sure.
07:39Yeah.
07:39I've actually got something to show you.
07:41It's a little visual reminder of 2005, when you were here, and lots of other moments of
07:46you on a dance floor.
07:48That's here.
07:58There you are.
07:59What a fun show.
08:00Yeah, that was great.
08:17Yeah, I'm wearing the same boots, in honor of that.
08:21These are my Confessions One boots.
08:23Are they really?
08:23Yeah.
08:24The ones that didn't get stolen at Colatello.
08:27Yeah.
08:27Where does the archive live?
08:29In Brooklyn.
08:30You know, like a big warehouse or something?
08:32Yeah.
08:33Wow.
08:33Not business anywhere, though.
08:34And can you, like, if you think of something, can you just call up and go...
08:39Can I find it on my own without using the GPS?
08:41Yeah, that kind of thing.
08:41Yes.
08:42Yes, I can.
08:43But you use things again, so...
08:45I do, I do.
08:46Yeah.
08:46I like to prove to myself that I can still fit into my clothes.
08:50You know what I'm saying?
08:51I do.
08:52So, do you ever do that?
08:54I do.
08:55Try on your clothes from 20 years ago?
08:57Yeah.
08:57And?
08:58And sometimes it's a success.
09:01Sometimes less so.
09:03Yeah.
09:03It all depends what size they were when I bought them.
09:05If they were a little tight?
09:07Yeah.
09:08And now they're very tight.
09:09You don't do things like that, though.
09:11Look at how much fun I look like I'm having.
09:13Wow.
09:16Don't hesitate.
09:21Don't cry for me.
09:24Because we'll find our way.
09:28This must be a lovely moment for you because, you know, the tracks that have come out so far from
09:32the new album, people love.
09:35Mm-hmm.
09:35So, like...
09:36We love that.
09:37But are you mostly excited about people hearing the rest of this album?
09:40Oh, my God.
09:41Yeah.
09:42Because it's a whole story.
09:43It's a whole journey.
09:44Listen, we can talk about the album.
09:46But it's kind of...
09:48I could wear you the flowers on your jacket.
09:50Thank you very much.
09:51Who made that?
09:52Simone Rocha.
09:53Rocha.
09:54Rocha.
09:54Balmain.
09:55Do you know what?
09:56I looked at it and I thought, Balmain.
09:58Did you?
09:58Oh.
09:59Yeah.
09:59Okay.
10:00Balmain.
10:01Balmain.
10:01Balmain.
10:02Sorry, thank you for correcting my French.
10:04Listen, let's go listen to some of the new music.
10:07There's an old friend waiting for you.
10:08I couldn't be happier.
10:09In the House of Coco.
10:10Oh, let's go.
10:12I know.
10:12House of Coco.
10:13I would love to.
10:14Let's go.
10:15Okay, let's go upstairs.
10:17Hey, get out of my way.
10:19Hey, you.
10:19Hey, what am I on you?
10:23Here you go.
10:26It's up on three.
10:33We don't get stuck in the lift.
10:35Don't say that.
10:36It's because it's jinx if you say it.
10:40Waiting in the studio upstairs is producer and DJ Stuart Price.
10:50Madonna has a knack of choosing visionary musical collaborators.
10:54Jellybean Benitez produced Holiday.
10:56Nile Rodgers, like a virgin.
10:58William Orbit, Ray of Light.
11:00Mirway's music.
11:02And it was Stuart that Madonna turned to for the classic Confessions on a Dance Floor
11:08and Global Smashes, Hung Up and Sorry.
11:1120 years ago, Stuart was living in a flat cum studio in Maida Vale in London
11:15when Madonna came calling.
11:17I was a kind of utility extra sort of keyboard player.
11:21I'm less of a good keyboard player,
11:23but more good at looking at the overall thing,
11:26getting all the sounds together.
11:28So then I started working as musical director.
11:30It just kind of spilled over into doing a record.
11:32And now, Madonna and Stuart are trying to capture lightning in a bottle again.
11:38Over the last year,
11:39they've been working into the night in Stuart's West London studio.
11:43With that focus on the dance floor,
11:44they have delivered 16 songs for the new project.
11:48The world is understandably very excited.
11:55Yeah, it's like...
11:56Yeah, but he's like that I spend going.
11:58Yeah, I'm just going to say...
11:59Yeah, he's your friend.
12:02I look like I'm in that TV show Dynasty because of my shoulder pads.
12:06You're a woman in charge.
12:07How are we doing?
12:11So, Confessions 2, how did this happen?
12:15We started working together on the last tour, celebration tour,
12:20and we had to be clever, reinventing the songs.
12:24Was it during the tour that you started to write new songs?
12:27He would send me...
12:29He would record stuff and send me mysterious sound,
12:33like, MP3s, right?
12:38Yeah, I think we just, you know,
12:41we've worked previously so much on tour,
12:43leading into doing records before,
12:46because when you're on tour,
12:47your mindset is about entertaining
12:50and about connecting with audiences and...
12:53But also entertaining yourself.
12:55Yes, you require a lot of entertainment to keep...
12:59Self-entertainment.
12:59...in the moment, but it's also...
13:01That's why, like, soundcheck's the best.
13:03That's right.
13:04That's where I can play.
13:05Oh, that's where you mess around?
13:07Yeah.
13:09See, you guys have an easy, okay?
13:11Yeah.
13:12You're there singing.
13:13Oh, by the way.
13:13Oh, you're playing.
13:14Oh, you're dancing.
13:15I just want to be a church.
13:18I got to sing.
13:19I got to play.
13:19I got to dance.
13:20I know you do.
13:21And I got to take all this shit.
13:22Oh, God.
13:23Now it's like when it rains, of course.
13:25But I got to make a living.
13:29Someone's got to pay for this.
13:33I got a job to do.
13:35So let's do it.
13:39Shit, shit.
13:40See how clever I am when I was falling?
13:43We are in June, Santiago.
13:48Yeah, we're talking about...
13:55Okay, thank you for coming to the matinee performance.
13:57We'll see you guys tonight.
14:00So then finally, when the tour ended, like, for the last year, it's just been one big sound
14:05check.
14:05We've been playing in the studio.
14:08Hence, Confessions 2.
14:10And, like, it just sounds...
14:12The idea of two people being in a studio...
14:14Two brilliant people.
14:15Two brilliant people in a studio.
14:17And there's no song.
14:19Who goes first?
14:20Like, do you...
14:21Like, how does it...
14:22How does it begin?
14:23I mean, we are living in a patriarchal country, so Stuart goes first.
14:27Do you really?
14:28Sometimes.
14:29I mean, no, most of the time.
14:30No, no.
14:32It's actually Madonna's always got a story.
14:34And that's always been the case.
14:37So she's a great storyteller.
14:39She's very poetic in the way that she writes.
14:42And those, you know, the studio just becomes about a space to tell stories.
14:46I can't just make dance music about nothing.
14:51So that was really important.
14:53So would you sit in the studio and just, like, shoot the breeze?
14:56Oh, God, that's all we do.
14:58I think that's 95% of it.
14:59Yes.
15:00Yeah, breeze shooting.
15:01Yes.
15:02We love to chat.
15:04But about everything.
15:05About the downfall of civilization.
15:07About parenting.
15:09About fashion.
15:11And listen, do you want to play us a little bit of a track?
15:15What would you like to kick off with?
15:16Or what would you like to kick off with?
15:17I think we should play a little bit of a big song, I Feel So Free,
15:20because that was kind of the beginning of the tapestry of the record.
15:23That's true.
15:24That was our doorway in.
15:29Thanks for coming.
15:34Sometimes I like to just hide in the shadows.
15:41Create a new persona.
15:43A different identity.
15:57Honestly, I can be whoever I want to be.
16:10Honestly, I wish I could be like other people.
16:14And just not care.
16:18That's why I like to go dancing.
16:24Safety in numbers.
16:29But out here, on the dance floor,
16:36I feel so free.
16:38And so this, what came first?
16:41The phrase, I feel free?
16:42Was it the spoken word bit?
16:44Spoken words.
16:45Okay.
16:46Yeah.
16:46And how did you just start speaking?
16:49To speak with music in the background.
16:51And without music in the background.
16:54No, just kidding.
16:55I don't know.
16:56Something happens.
16:57Safety in numbers.
17:13All the sounds that we loved were all like Chicago, Detroit techno.
17:16You know, like all, funnily enough, Midwestern, Midwest, Midwest, Dutch music.
17:22You're trying to Chicago.
17:22That was the music that was just, it was soundtracking what we were doing on tour,
17:27how we were approaching songs.
17:29You loved French Kiss, Lil Louis.
17:31You loved that record.
17:32I was obsessed with it.
17:33And so one day she brought that into the studio and said,
17:36we need to find a way to incorporate this into a song.
17:40And that is Lil Louis saying, you know, so how's your evening so far?
17:44So how's your evening so far?
17:46And because you came up with that song, like kind of straight out of the gate,
17:51does that give you a kind of a boost to kind of like, right, we're onto something here?
17:57Yeah.
17:57Even like before that, I think we're messing around with other songs.
18:00I was like, this is not exactly where we, the road we want to be on.
18:05And then when we did this song, it was like, okay, now we're on the path.
18:10And this, you have, you were at the Abbey in LA and you were playing that song to a dance
18:17floor.
18:18Yeah, that was so fun.
18:19Madonna, you're the best.
18:20I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry.
18:22I'm so sorry.
18:25Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, Madonna.
18:28Come on, meet me on the dance floor.
18:32Do you still get a real kick out of that?
18:33My God, I loved it.
18:35Loved it.
18:36You were there too, right?
18:37And also what was so great is that everybody knew the words already.
18:39I could put the mic out and everybody was singing, you know, call and response kind of thing.
18:56Do you get kind of overexcited when you're in a situation like that?
19:00Yes.
19:02Yeah, I, yeah, I start sweating, heart palpitations.
19:07What do you mean by overexcited?
19:09There's an energy, you, you know, I think the record always sounds like the time you have making it, right?
19:14It's just, if that's not there.
19:15He's like Socrates.
19:18Yes, yes, I am rather like a modern day Aristotle, yes, sure.
19:22As you've told me before.
19:23I'm so glad we're filming this.
19:24Play another track.
19:26Any requests?
19:28One Step Away?
19:29Yeah, sure, yeah.
19:31So this is One Step Away, let's play a little bit of it.
19:37People think the dance music is superficial, but they've got it all wrong.
19:43They've got it all wrong?
19:44The dance floor is not just a place, it's a threshold.
19:49An originalistic space where movement replaces language.
19:58One Step Away from Your Freedom
20:21So where did that come from?
20:24How did the creative process work on that?
20:26It came from my soul.
20:29That's a moment on this record where the whole thing happened in just a kind of flash of light,
20:35like an instantaneous moment.
20:37The track was playing, I think we'd worked on other songs that day.
20:40We did.
20:41But this track was playing in the evening and you were just dancing to it.
20:44And then you just said, just switch the microphone on, I think I've got an idea.
20:49That whole vocal performance comes out in one stream of conscious, lyrics, melody,
20:54the whole thing happens in a moment.
20:57Yeah, it's kind of like I get possessed.
20:59It's weird.
21:00The ideas come when I don't try too hard.
21:03I thought, you know, let me just put a scratch vocal down and, you know,
21:06we won't be too pressed about it.
21:09It just happens.
21:11And like Confessions One, this is a kind of a playthrough album.
21:17Yeah.
21:17All the tracks are interesting.
21:18It's transition, music, songs transitioning into the next.
21:22Yeah.
21:22Why did you decide to do that?
21:24Because that's what happens when you go to a club and you're dancing and DJ's mixing one song into the
21:29next.
21:30And there's no interruption.
21:31It's just flow.
21:33And how hard is it to get those, you know, to get one song into the next?
21:38Oh, it's hard.
21:39No, it is hard.
21:41Because you want it to sound natural.
21:44You're inspired by the experience that you're trying to create.
21:47We just wanted to make something that was an immersive experience.
21:52So there's a lot of narration on this record.
21:54The spoken word isn't limited to just in the tracks.
21:57There are things that you talk about that take us from one place to the next.
22:02No, it's just like I'm the voice in your ear.
22:04I'm talking to you.
22:05I'm inviting you.
22:06I'm singing to you.
22:08I'm seducing you.
22:09I'm inviting you to not only join me, but also to be free.
22:16You know, to let yourself go, to not think, not intellectualize.
22:20I mean, in the music, you talk about that idea of hitting the dance floor and being free
22:25and finding a new persona and anonymity and stuff.
22:29Like, can you ever experience...
22:33But that's what people do when they go out.
22:34No, absolutely.
22:34That is what people do.
22:35But do you miss that?
22:37Can you ever do that?
22:38Can you ever have that feeling again?
22:40You know where I can have it, it sounds like a total contradiction, is on stage.
22:46Because there's so many people, so many people that I just kind of tune everybody out
22:52and then something takes over.
23:10Again, I become possessed and there's nobody there.
23:12Does that take you to that place?
23:14Yeah, absolutely.
23:16Well, talking of that place, I know there's a track on the album called Dan Ceteria.
23:20Can we hear a bit of that?
23:22Yeah.
23:22Well, thanks.
23:24This is how we start the party.
23:27It's not what I say, it's not what I do.
23:31It's how my body ever sucks to you.
23:35I just want to lose myself in the groove.
23:39Get over here.
23:41Everybody get up and dance.
24:00So clearly this track, this is more written.
24:02It's not like a stream of consciousness.
24:05Or is it a stream of consciousness?
24:06I was just writing down names and situations from that time of my life.
24:12And I was trying to like, I just was, that was totally stream of consciousness.
24:16Then I went home and tried to like put it into form, you know, in a rhythmic form.
24:37So there will be people watching this who don't know what Dan Ceteria was.
24:41So how do you describe it to those people?
24:43The Mecca of music and dance and fashion.
24:49Let's not forget fashion.
24:50Mr. Rukha.
24:52In Manhattan?
24:54Yeah.
24:5527th Street?
24:57Yeah.
25:02It was this incredible convergence of musicians and painters and writers and directors.
25:14There's a great line in the song, Dan Ceteria, that you say, everybody here is a work of art.
25:20There will never be another time like that.
25:24I just think that happened in that particular way because the only way you could meet people
25:30is to go out.
25:32If you were an artist and you lived downtown, you had to go on the street and call people
25:36on the payphone and then you had to take the subway and wait in a long line.
25:39I mean, that's ritual, you know, that's and that's important because it builds community
25:44and connection.
25:45Everybody was cool.
25:46I wasn't cool.
25:47But you would dress up to go out?
25:50Yes.
25:51And what I didn't have like any cool outfits.
25:53And when I would go to Dan Ceteria, everybody had cool outfits and everybody had cool hair.
25:59Earrings up their ears and, you know.
26:01But did you look like the Madonna we first met?
26:05You mean dirty hair and a leather cap?
26:08You know, things tied in your hair.
26:10Tights.
26:11Those were like all my clothes that I had, like my ballet because I was a dancer.
26:14So I just took all my dance clothes and reinvented it.
26:18So Hunger was the best sauce.
26:21Back then when you're in the clubs and you was getting to perform in clubs in New York,
26:26you must have thought, right, this is it.
26:28I've made it.
26:29I just wanted to get one song played on the radio.
26:32That was it.
26:33Like, I'll know I've made it.
26:35And if I get one song on the radio, that means I can pay my rent.
26:39So.
26:40And then that happened.
26:42Thank God.
26:43And before that, like, were you known?
26:47Like, were you that girl in the club?
26:50No.
26:51I was very awkward and, hmm.
26:55I didn't fit in.
26:59When Mark Haymans did play everybody, I went down to the dance floor to dance.
27:07Dancing to my song in a club for the first time.
27:10Dancing, sing, get up and do your thing.
27:14Dancing, sing, get up and do your thing.
27:18One of the times that you feel freest is just where you get comfort and solace from just going and
27:24dancing.
27:24I don't care.
27:25Because when I start dancing, I really don't care what you think.
27:29You're just in your head.
27:30You're not aware.
27:31No, I'm in my body.
27:32I'm, like, definitely not in my head.
27:34That's the worst place to be.
27:36Nobody ever wants to dance with me.
27:38Or they certainly didn't in those days.
27:40Because I just go crazy.
27:43And I think I irritate a lot of people.
27:45That's all that.
27:46That's a lot of what we're trying to pick up on the record, is being in the room together.
27:50Like, create an environment in the studio that would just be akin to, like, recalling what it's like to have
27:57the energy of being in a club.
28:05We haven't talked about Sabrina Carpenter, the other track that's been released already.
28:09How did that happen?
28:10Who knew who?
28:12I DM'd her.
28:14What, on Instagram?
28:15Yeah.
28:16Sometimes you get, you know, you DM people and you're just like, they're never going to believe that it's me.
28:20Or I'm never going to hear from them.
28:22What did you say on your DM?
28:24Just, hey, it's Madonna.
28:25Yeah, I said, I'm making a new record and I would love to collaborate with you on something.
28:29It ended up being Bring Your Love.
28:32And it worked perfectly.
28:54Don't try to shut me up, don't try to describe me with numbers.
29:03I did it all for love.
29:06Realize, cause you cannot shake me.
29:10Realize, cause you'll never break me.
29:14Realize, cause you cannot take me down.
29:22Don't want to compromise.
29:25Ask yourself this.
29:26And then how did the whole Coachella thing come about?
29:30Well, she was already scheduled to open for Coachella, so she invited me to perform with her.
29:38It all happened in a very pure way.
29:42I wanted to ask, you put up a reward for your stolen costume.
29:46Has it come back?
29:47Nope.
29:48It's very naughty.
29:50Where did you, were they just let, were they in your dressing room?
29:52No, they were taken out.
29:54I feel like I've stumbled into an area of darkness.
29:57Let's move on.
29:57No, I mean, I think Coachella is a, it's, it's a very distracting environment.
30:02There's a lot going on.
30:05Somebody found them and helped themselves.
30:08They'll be returned.
30:09Yes.
30:10I feel they will.
30:12I do.
30:13Do you?
30:14Yeah.
30:14Okay, great.
30:15Yeah.
30:15I have faith.
30:16You?
30:18Of course.
30:18And if I see you in a nice purple jacket, I don't know where it came from.
30:22I was very disturbed by it for a couple of days, but.
30:24No, horrible.
30:25Because they, they, they were your original.
30:27They were historical, yeah.
30:27Yeah.
30:28Congratulations.
30:29It's such a great record.
30:31I think you've earned a drink, young lady.
30:34Would you like to go and get one?
30:36Sorry, does that mean we're going to the bar?
30:38Yeah.
30:38The bar.
30:39The bar.
30:40You've got work to do.
30:41You can stay here.
30:47Madonna epitomizes the idea of the global superstar.
30:50She has a remarkable following in South America, all over Europe and Asia, and of course, back
30:56home in the States.
30:57Which is why, to me, it's all the more intriguing that she has been spending so much of her time
31:02in the UK.
31:04And that's not a new thing for Madonna.
31:06Clearly, working here in London has been rewarding creatively.
31:10That focus on songwriting has paid off.
31:14And London life has extended to the rest of the family.
31:22Let's go crazy.
31:23Let's do it.
31:25Captain, can you hear me?
31:29What's the girl got to do to get a drink around here?
31:32You've really got into it now.
31:35Do you ever get the shivers for no reason?
31:37There's suddenly...
31:38Oh, every now and again.
31:39Yeah, yeah.
31:39What, is that what happened to you?
31:41Yeah, means someone's walking on my grave.
31:44No one will do that.
31:45They'll walk around.
31:48I am so looking forward to a drink.
31:50Wait, what?
31:51We haven't even had a chat.
31:53Well, I'd like a drink and then we can chat.
31:54You want to...
31:55You sound boring unless you're...
31:56No, no, no.
31:57I just...
31:57We've got to pre-organize this, but still no drinks.
32:01Oh, no.
32:02Kylie Minogue.
32:03I don't know, darling.
32:04Well, fancy that.
32:05You tricked me.
32:07Did you know Kylie was going to be here?
32:08Shut up.
32:09I knew what you both wanted.
32:11Need it.
32:11Well, I pre-ordered.
32:12Um, now.
32:14It's a holy triangle.
32:15It...
32:15Well, I now feel like some...
32:17Like I've died and gone to gay heaven.
32:19But, uh...
32:20Literally.
32:21But there's all the rumours that...
32:23It's a moment.
32:24It's a moment.
32:25It's a moment.
32:27Look, Kylie, I don't like this drink.
32:29There we go.
32:30Don't send it back.
32:31No, it's not, but I'm not going to send it back.
32:33Okay.
32:34Would you like some cheap white wine?
32:36Sure.
32:36Okay, I'll drink this.
32:38Now I'm seeing you here...
32:39Hmm.
32:40Oh, God.
32:42You like it now.
32:43Water?
32:43Water.
32:44Water, waiter.
32:45For the love of God, water for Kylie.
32:48No, you don't.
32:49Well, you're the bartender.
32:50Okay, I've got to ask.
32:51There will all be rumours that Kylie is on Confessions 2.
32:56Is this you confirming that rumour?
33:01So you are on Confessions 2.
33:03Why do you have to know everything?
33:05Because it's my job.
33:07Okay, well, it's my job to be mysterious.
33:09Good at deflecting.
33:10So, and you did duet during the celebration tour.
33:15We sure did.
33:15Yeah, what a moment.
33:17I absolutely loved that.
33:21Alright.
33:22Alright.
33:23Come on, let me go.
33:24La, la, la, la.
33:26La, la, la.
33:30La, la, la, la, la.
33:34La, la, la, la.
33:38La, la, la.
33:39La, la, la, la.
33:40La, la, la, la, la.
33:40I just can't get you out of my head.
33:56Because you've been a long time fan.
34:00And I've been a long time fan.
34:03Maybe we're all gay.
34:05Well, I have this to prove.
34:08Well, as if everything else doesn't, but...
34:11What?
34:13Your debut album.
34:16How it got into the Minogue household, I don't know.
34:18Did we have enough pocket money to get it?
34:21Did my parents get it?
34:22But my sister and I hammered that album.
34:26Love was born, and it was everlasting.
34:28Wow.
34:29Wow.
34:30That is amazing.
34:31Give it back to me.
34:33And I look like I have a headache.
34:35No, no, it's iconic.
34:37It's incredible.
34:38And now I look like I want to choke myself.
34:41And how did the Kylie t-shirt come about?
34:45How did that happen?
34:46I was in my Western mode, rhinestoning everything.
34:50And I was trying to think of singers that I'm slightly in love with.
34:54And so naturally I thought of Kylie and had a t-shirt made of her.
34:59And when you saw it, did anyone warn you that was going to happen?
35:03No warning.
35:04No.
35:05I don't know what I did.
35:06I mean, probably just stopped shy of fainting.
35:09It was...
35:09No, I was actually a little bit jealous of you.
35:13Really?
35:13Yeah.
35:14Why?
35:15Because she was so cute.
35:17I think my ex-husband at the time had a crush on her.
35:20I was like, I'll never be as beautiful as Kylie.
35:24I know you've got the last tube to get.
35:26Yeah, the tube.
35:27I've got to get to the tube.
35:28What?
35:28Are you kidding?
35:29Yeah.
35:30She's out of here.
35:31Yeah.
35:31Well, that's my shift done.
35:33Kylie Minogue, thank you so, so much.
35:36Maybe a bartending school.
35:38Yeah, yeah.
35:39Yeah.
35:40Just, it's not great.
35:41I think the grapefruit juice has gone bad, but that's not your fault.
35:45Okay, and I'm out of here.
35:46Okay.
35:47Have fun.
35:47Bye!
35:48Right to the manager.
35:49Bye-bye, darling.
35:50Thank you so much.
35:50Bye, love you.
35:51Bye.
35:52What's your relationship with London being like when you got here first?
35:57It's been a mad rollercoaster ride.
35:59Before I made records, my friend, Martin, we worked in a bar called Lucky Strike,
36:05and every night we would whittle away the money in the cash register, as one does.
36:10Because we were saving up to buy an airplane ticket to go to London.
36:16Because we'd heard that the fashion was insane.
36:22And we wanted to go to The World's End and see the clothes of Vivian Westwood and Malcolm
36:29McLaren.
36:31I'm watching my clothes.
36:33This thing still grows.
36:35And we also heard the nightclub scene was crazy, and yeah, it was a really fun couple
36:41of days.
36:42And when you got to London, was it as fun as you thought it was going to be?
36:45Because we looked at New York thinking, that's where clubs were amazing.
36:50It was, actually.
36:52It was really fun.
36:53To me, it was something different, because I had already experienced Danzeteria, which
36:57we talked about already.
36:58Yeah.
36:58I mean, it was very different.
37:00Just a different world.
37:02Yeah.
37:02And it was exciting.
37:04But then the second time I came, I came to work on the soundtrack of Evita.
37:11And then I was there for a long chunk of time, and I just found it so dreary.
37:17Like, it was always gray.
37:19It was always raining.
37:20I didn't have a friend.
37:22Everything closed at 6 o'clock.
37:24Nothing was open on Sundays.
37:26And the food wasn't very good.
37:28It's really changed.
37:29I mean, that was a long time ago.
37:31So, thank God I met David Collins.
37:34Oh, lovely David Collins.
37:35And Lorcan O'Neill, and they made me fall in love with London.
37:40They took me out all the time.
37:41They introduced me to people.
37:43They brought me to galleries and museums and cocktail parties.
37:46And I was like, oh, London's fun.
37:48And now you seem to love it.
37:49Like, we see you out and about.
37:51You've been to Tracy Emmons' studio down the coast.
37:54Yeah, markets.
37:55I discovered Margate for the first time.
37:57That's a fun place.
37:58Yeah.
37:59Lots of artists.
38:00How did you get to Margate?
38:03You're probably thinking I took the train.
38:05I wasn't.
38:08I just drove.
38:09My driver drove me.
38:10Oh, okay.
38:11Yeah.
38:12It's only two hours.
38:13Yeah.
38:14No, it's handy.
38:14It's fantastic there.
38:16It reminds me of Coney Island.
38:18I think one of the, because, you know, confessions too, the word confession.
38:22I think one of the odd things about you is your songs are way more personal than I think fans
38:31think.
38:33Or even know.
38:35You know the way sometimes they really do deep dives into lyrics.
38:38Oh, she's singing about it.
38:40They don't seem to do that with your songs.
38:42Why do you think that is?
38:43I've been very open and I wouldn't say confessional, but talking about my feelings, my desires, my
38:50fears for like decades.
38:52So it's not, is that a new thing?
38:54Well, I think maybe on this album, it's so, it's this amazing dance album.
39:01And then the kind of last quarter maybe are these really kind of emotional, very personal
39:08songs, I think.
39:09Are they the most personal songs you've ever done?
39:11I wouldn't say that, but, you know, they're very specific.
39:15They're very, and a lot was happening in my life at the time that I was writing with Stuart
39:19in the beginning.
39:20I was affected deeply by the death of my brother Christopher.
39:24People here tonight, who do you most want to hang out with?
39:27Who do I most want to hang out with?
39:29My brother Christopher.
39:33And that was another song that just like came, I actually came to the studio and I spoke to
39:40my brother who was in a lot of pain on the phone and he was not in a good place
39:46and I
39:47knew that it was close to the end.
39:48And then I went upstairs and wrote a song.
39:50So it was all connected to what was happening in my life.
39:54And it is such a beautiful song.
39:56And is that, is that hard to do?
40:01Like, you know, does it cost you emotionally or?
40:03It's, it's cathartic.
40:06It's, it's like a kind of therapy, you know, to let go of somebody that you love.
40:11The best way to do it is to, to write about it or to, to, um, it's like an exorcism.
40:26But has your dad heard it or?
40:28No.
40:29That's going to be hard, surely.
40:31Yeah.
40:32I'm going to see him soon.
40:33And he will.
40:34I don't want to, I don't want to like push him over the edge.
40:38It's not disturbing.
40:39It's, it's very, it's very loving.
40:41No, no, it's beautiful.
40:41It's gorgeous.
40:42And the other, uh, gorgeous thing on the album is you duet with your daughter.
40:47Yeah.
40:48She approached me and she's been, been very reticent to work with me or to be, she doesn't want
40:54to be perceived as, you know, my daughter taking advantage of her privilege.
41:00How, how did that feel?
41:02I mean, was it just like working with another professional or there's a sort of proud mama?
41:06It was kind of neither of those things.
41:09She's been very standoffish and working in the, you know, at her own pace and her own,
41:16and, you know, and, and I respect that deeply and she's a great songwriter and she's, has
41:21a much, much better voice than I do.
41:42But then one day she came to me and she said, you know what, I've been, I realized that I've
41:47been, um, I'm holding on to something and maybe it's a kind of, you know.
41:54I want to say anger.
41:55What's another word for anger that's not quite...
41:58Resentment or...
41:58Yeah, maybe that.
42:00Because at the end of the day, she didn't ask for this.
42:03Yeah.
42:04You know what I mean?
42:05It's a weird secondhand thing.
42:06Yeah, exactly.
42:07She had been, through her adolescence, struggling with those feelings for a long time.
42:14And then, um, she came to me and she said, let's write a song together.
42:19I think it will be very, a very healing experience.
42:22And you say exactly what you want to say and I'll say exactly what I want to say.
42:26And I was like, okay, you're on.
42:29Let's do it.
42:30And I was so happy.
42:31Were you taken back, taken aback by her lyrics or?
42:34No, they're beautiful.
42:36No, they are.
42:36Yeah.
42:37Yeah.
42:37The other thing though, I was like, you say her voice is more beautiful than yours.
42:41To my ear, they blend.
42:43Like, were you take, did that shock you how your voice is so good together?
42:47Well, same DNA, if that makes sense.
42:49Yeah.
42:49Yeah.
42:50Cut, bitch.
42:52And tell me this.
42:53Are there lots of tracks that aren't on the album?
42:56Did you, oh, there are.
42:58Yeah, but I think they're going to find their way out to the world.
43:03We have, we have eight songs that we really love that didn't make it on the record.
43:07You can only put so many songs on the record.
43:09Yeah.
43:1016 seems indulgent, almost.
43:13On version.
43:14Yeah.
43:14It's a perfect thing.
43:15It's an hour.
43:16It's perfect.
43:16It's perfect.
43:17It's perfectly an hour.
43:18It's a great, it's a great record to work out to.
43:21Like, does this make me want to get up and move?
43:24Just drive me, just inspire me.
43:26Does this give me an incentive?
43:28Does this make me want to sweat?
43:30Yeah.
43:30And if it didn't, I was like, off the record.
43:33It was actually a perfect way to choose things.
43:36So these are the, these are the ones.
43:38These are the keepers.
43:39These are the keepers.
43:41Now, I never thought I'd be sitting in a bar talking to Madonna about football.
43:44But your, your, your little daughters, they're big into football.
43:50Yeah.
43:50And you are playing the World Cup final.
43:55Oh, that's, that's crazy.
43:55Yeah.
43:55Did you do that to promote the album or so your daughters would get tickets to the World Cup final?
44:02Actually, neither.
44:04I'm just a really big football fan.
44:07And it's always been my dream to.
44:10Really?
44:10Yeah.
44:10They never had a halftime.
44:12Yeah.
44:13So it was like, I was, I've been bugging and like harassing my manager for over a year about it.
44:19And what are you going to give them?
44:20Like, uh, some new stuff, some old stuff?
44:23A, uh, very bright pink football fan.
44:28Um, I'm not going to tell you.
44:31You just want to know everything.
44:32Like, spoiler alert.
44:34That's my job.
44:36Okay.
44:37You'll find out when you get there.
44:38I, well, I won't get there, but I'll watch it.
44:40I will definitely watch it.
44:41And you're not going to come?
44:42No, it'll be the only bit of the World Cup I see is the, is, is the halftime show.
44:47Yeah, well, I hope we don't disappoint.
44:49You won't.
44:50Tell me this.
44:51Uh, will you tour this album?
44:53And what's your, what's your plan going forward?
44:55I think I'll do promo tours for a while.
44:59And then in the summertime, something bigger.
45:06Oh, oh, is that okay.
45:10That sounds really exciting and good.
45:11And I think I know what you're talking about.
45:13Uh, is it in this country?
45:18It could be.
45:21Why do you have to know everything?
45:23I've spent all this time talking to you.
45:24But I've told, I've told you a lot of interesting things.
45:26No, you haven't.
45:27That's what you get.
45:28Yeah.
45:28The rest you have to wait for.
45:29Okay.
45:30You know, um, I heard this phrase a long time ago that the definition of being an adult is
45:36the ability to delay gratification.
45:40Oh, wow.
45:41I am not an adult.
45:43I am not an adult.
45:43That's clear.
45:45I'm so not an adult.
45:47Yeah.
45:47Well, you're a time waster.
45:49So you're, you must be a teenager.
45:51Um, Madonna, thank you so much for spending time with us.
45:54Thank you so much for talking to us.
45:55And, uh, good luck with confessions too.
45:57Thank you so much.
45:58And can I just suggest that maybe you buy some great pictures?
46:03That's the thing I'm going to do tomorrow.
46:05Tomorrow?
46:06Tomorrow.
46:06Or the next day.
46:07I'm so busy tomorrow.
46:08Or the next day.
46:09Yeah, don't rush.
46:11We've got to run.
46:12I'm walking.
46:13You can run.
46:13Yeah, I'm cycling.
46:15Are you really?
46:15Yeah.
46:20Oh, it all started like this.
46:26Madonna, back on the dance floor where you belong.
46:29How are you?
46:31It's so good to see you.
46:33It's so good to see you.
46:34Yay!
46:34And to be back in Coco's.
46:36For the third time?
46:37Yeah, uh, yes.
46:39Touch for the very third time.
46:41See, you've sound checked.
46:43We have.
46:44We've never heard about it.
46:47The idea of two people being in a studio.
46:49Two brilliant people.
46:50Two brilliant people in a studio.
46:52Oh, I didn't even know.
46:54Checking the gate.
46:56Bye.
47:06Bye.
47:12Bye.
47:25I'm sorry.
47:25You