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00:08Rock, metal, frog, and everything in between.
00:12Welcome to this episode of Talkin' Rock with Meltdown.
00:15Don't forget to follow the audio-only Talkin' Rock podcast on all podcast platforms.
00:20And now, it's time for today's conversation. Here's Meltdown.
00:24And there he is, number three. How are you, Chris?
00:27Good, how's it going?
00:29Everything's going well, man. Just decided to get you on here.
00:31You know, I'm trying to remember, we did talk before, right?
00:33I think it was audio-only, though, like several years ago, if I'm not mistaken, correct?
00:37I think we did, yeah.
00:39Yeah, one time before. But you've been doing a lot of stuff lately.
00:42Your boy Sean has got you out there signing all sorts of autographs and meeting the fans, doesn't he?
00:46Yeah, yeah. We're doing a bunch of, you know, the Comic-Cons and stuff like that.
00:51It's really fun. We're enjoying it.
00:54Yeah, you do like that stuff, huh? You're meeting the fans.
00:56Did you get a chance to actually interact with the fans much when you were in Slipknot,
01:00or did you kind of leave that to some of the other guys?
01:03Well, no, I was a big part of that as far as doing the in-store or the meet-and
01:07-greets and stuff like that.
01:08I usually try to make all of them, you know.
01:10But it's tough, you know.
01:12Like, they're just in a line, and you're kind of flowing them through, and it's really not a lot of
01:17time to hang out on tour too much, so.
01:19Yeah.
01:20What surprised you most about doing these things where you actually get to, like, just press the flesh and talk
01:24with some of these fans?
01:26How young they are now.
01:27Yeah.
01:28And how it's still going.
01:29Yeah.
01:30You know what I mean?
01:30You got 13, 14-year-old kids coming up, and I'm like, wow.
01:34Hey, you weren't even close to being born when we were doing this, so.
01:38Yeah, right.
01:39You need to see the past generations, right?
01:42Yeah, their parents are probably bigger than who are fans also.
01:46Right.
01:46I'm assuming.
01:47I'm hoping that's where it came from.
01:49Yeah, no, that's great, man.
01:51Yeah, I was happy to see that you were doing some of these things, you know, get you out of
01:55Michigan.
01:55I saw you went up to Alaska.
01:57Have you visited every state now?
02:00Now I've hit every state.
02:02Yeah.
02:02And did you do some overseas as well?
02:04Oh, yeah.
02:05We did one in Manchester, which was really cool.
02:09Yeah, there was some, they had a lot of good celebrities there, and I got to meet Rose McGowan.
02:13Oh.
02:14Yeah, she was totally cool, and, you know, so it's a win-win.
02:18Yeah.
02:19Yeah, I see sometimes you post some of your pictures with, like, you know, Ric Flair and some of the
02:22other guys that you meet here and there.
02:24I have to ask, what did Rose McGowan look like in person?
02:27Because I'm a fan.
02:29Oh, she's beautiful.
02:30Yeah.
02:30Yeah, yeah, she's amazing.
02:33And obviously, you know, I was thinking about this on the way into work today.
02:36You and I are somewhat similar in the fact that we're both kind of hidden.
02:41Like, I got into radio because I love the theater of the mind and whatnot.
02:45And, you know, you guys, of course, wear the mask and stuff.
02:47And you can kind of walk around and nobody really knows who you are.
02:50I mean, not at Comic-Cons or nothing like that.
02:52But you go shop with your kids, whatever.
02:53And for the most part, you're probably unrecognizable.
02:57Is that something that you like?
02:59I do.
03:00Yeah.
03:01Yeah, because, you know, I have famous friends, so I'll be hanging out with them.
03:05And let me see.
03:07Okay.
03:07So, Jacoby Shaddix, right?
03:10He and I are walking down in California and we're going to go get something to eat.
03:14And it's nighttime.
03:16And we're just walking down the street.
03:17And as we're crossing the street, three kids are like, you know what I mean?
03:21Like, he had to deal with that just on our little walk into some random street in California.
03:27Because he's very recognizable.
03:29And I just stood there, took the pictures for the kids.
03:32They had no idea who I was.
03:33You know what I mean?
03:34Yeah, that's like when the guy, what was it, that tool concert where the kid asked Eddie Van Halen to
03:39take a picture with the stage behind him?
03:40Did you ever see that picture?
03:42No.
03:43I think it was Eddie and he was standing behind him.
03:45And the kid said, can you take my picture?
03:48He had no idea who he was.
03:49That's awesome.
03:50Yeah.
03:51Yeah, that's how it rolls, you know, and I like it.
03:55And then, you know, going over to England, like you said, it's got to be pretty cool that, you know,
03:59you can go across the pond and people know who you are.
04:01That's kind of a neat thing.
04:03We did a lot of work over there back in the day.
04:05We built a really big fan base in Europe.
04:08So, yeah, I knew that was going to be the case.
04:11Yeah.
04:11And why did you guys do so much over in Europe?
04:14I mean, sometimes I ask European bands or bands from out of the country how much they concentrate on the
04:19States.
04:19A lot of them are like, oh, yeah, we we needed the States big time.
04:23Did you guys feel like that was part of just expanding the Slipknot universe?
04:27For sure.
04:28I think it might be the same.
04:29Like we want to take over Europe and they want to take over America.
04:33You know, it's kind of a big deal for both because the European fans are just amazing.
04:37Like the festivals and stuff that they put on, the kids dress up and it's a really big deal.
04:43So I'm glad we did that groundwork, you know, playing those little clubs in Germany or, you know, places where
04:49you're just like, oh, my God, we got 10 people here.
04:51But we did it and it paid off for sure.
04:56Yeah.
04:56Now those those that that kind of model of those festivals happens over here now 10 or 12 times a
05:03year, which is pretty cool.
05:04Yeah.
05:04We're starting to get it.
05:05We're starting to, you know, figure out that it's fun.
05:09You know, three day festivals, four day festivals.
05:12Yeah.
05:12Have you been any of these recently or no?
05:14No, I kind of say last show, I think I was with you at Kerry King.
05:19Well, that was a year and a half ago.
05:20Yeah, I think that was the last show I saw.
05:23Yeah.
05:23You surprised me.
05:25You wanted to pat me down when I got in the door and I was a little confused by that.
05:31And I was I was thinking about this, too, when I was coming and say we went and saw Judas
05:35Priest and that was a great show.
05:37Nice.
05:38Yeah, that was in 17.
05:39I think it was at the where were we were downtown Detroit somewhere.
05:43Yeah, it was at that theater.
05:46The Masonic.
05:47Yes.
05:47The Masonic Temple.
05:48Yeah, that's right.
05:49Yeah.
05:50And then I saw some interviews with you earlier saying, obviously, you know, percussion is like kind of in your
05:56blood.
05:56And you were talking about, you know, Dave Lombardo and stuff like that.
05:59I was listening to Rush on the way.
06:00And are you a Neil Peart guy?
06:02Yeah, I am.
06:03Not like their full catalog.
06:06A little bit.
06:06It's just, you know, too.
06:09I don't know what the name for it is.
06:11It's not proggy, but, you know, a little too, a little too much.
06:16But like one of my favorite records is Roll the Bones.
06:19Yeah.
06:20You know, I love a lot of songs on that.
06:22So, yeah, I dig him.
06:25Yeah.
06:25That was when I first got in the radio.
06:28Now, when that record came out.
06:29And then I also saw in some of these interviews that you were doing earlier, I saw, you know, over
06:33in Manchester and whatnot.
06:35You talked about putting your mask on Ozzy and playing those OzFest dates.
06:39Tell me some stories about Ozzy that you have.
06:42Did you run into him a lot?
06:44Not a lot.
06:45No, he's got a pretty tight little, you know, little world in there.
06:48But, yeah, we were, I can't remember what we were doing, but Judas Priest and Ozzy were in a dressing
06:56room.
06:56And I brought some stuff in there to get signed by Judas Priest.
07:01And Ozzy was in there and he's like, let me see that mask.
07:06So, I run over there and I'm like, you should take a picture with it.
07:09He's like, here, wear my glasses and I'll take a picture with the mask.
07:12So, we switched our personas and took a few photos.
07:16He's a funny dude.
07:17He was funny.
07:19Yeah, he was exactly like you thought he'd be, especially if you watch the Osbournes.
07:23He was exactly like that every time I met him.
07:25So, do you have that picture laying around?
07:27I do.
07:28No kidding.
07:29Wow, what a cool picture.
07:30Yeah.
07:32Yeah, it is.
07:33That's awesome.
07:34And so, what were you getting signed by Judas Priest?
07:36Now, I'm curious, did you bring records back or what did you have?
07:40A box set.
07:41Okay.
07:42They had a really cool box set with studs around the edge of it.
07:46Now, is it all the...
07:47I knew it was going to be the last time I tried to see people run, so...
07:51Oh, okay.
07:52What year was this?
07:54That had to have been...
07:55Oh, jeez, you got me pinned in.
07:57I'm not sure, but it was later.
08:00Like a later Osfest.
08:03Yeah.
08:032004?
08:05And you said that...
08:06Yeah, you said that the first Osfest you played was the third show you ever played
08:11was Slipknot.
08:13Third show.
08:14Wow.
08:14Yep.
08:16I couldn't believe it.
08:17And the cool thing was that there was some kind of weird underground buzz with the band.
08:21So, even though we played at 10 in the morning, there was like 15,000 people there.
08:26Wow.
08:27You know?
08:28We were like, wow, this is amazing.
08:30Like, let's go.
08:33Now, I know early on in their career, like Disturbed, for example, and even Papa Roach,
08:38for that matter, I think that they started out in the second stage, maybe lower in the
08:42time zone and the time slots.
08:44And then, as their popularity increased, even sometimes during the tour, they would bump
08:48them up to like the main stage or later on.
08:50Did that happen with you guys?
08:51Yeah.
08:52So, here was the deal.
08:53Like, every band got, we rotated on the main stage.
08:57So, basically, you got to play the main stage once a week, let's say.
09:00Like, we played every day, and there was seven bands.
09:03Like, they just rotated.
09:04Like, obviously, there's days off and stuff, but you never, and you rotated on the second
09:12stage also.
09:13Sometimes you'd be the first one, and sometimes you got to sleep in a couple extra hours, you
09:17know?
09:18Until we did it, we played the second stage when we were fairly big, because there's no
09:26seats.
09:27It's all general admission, and we just love general admission.
09:30So, instead of, you know, being one of the main guys on the main stage, we decided to
09:36play.
09:36We just want to headline the second stage, and it was a really good decision, because, you
09:40know, it was massive.
09:42Yeah.
09:43And then, you guys, your popularity just grew, and then, did you guys ever, did you guys
09:47not headline OzFest, but did you ever play, like, right before Ozzy or anything like that?
09:52I think two before Ozzy.
09:54Okay.
09:55It was the best that we ever did.
09:56I think it went us, Manson, Black Sabbath.
10:00Okay, gotcha.
10:01Yeah, that's awesome.
10:02And then, of course, I've seen you guys play a few times when you were with them in Pine
10:06Knob, and man, just the energy in that room, and just the, it must have been something to
10:11see from on stage, because it was something to see from the crowd, I'll tell you that much.
10:14Yeah, that's a cool place to play, as far as those amphitheaters go.
10:18Yeah, we like, the backstage is like, whatever, but, you know, you've been there.
10:22It's kind of small, but, yeah, we love playing there, and Michigan's full of music, man.
10:30Yeah, a lot of bands tell me this, it's so funny you mention that, I just had Kenny Wayne
10:33Shepard tell me he always comes to Michigan because of the crowds, and it's like, once
10:37again, I didn't ask you about that, the bands always just, they just always give me that,
10:41that, that, that, that, they just talk about it on their own.
10:45Yeah, ever since we were playing Harpo's, it's been, we love Michigan, man.
10:50There's so much music here, it's great.
10:52I love living here now, you know, just because there's so much going on.
10:56Yeah, people may not know, but you do live here in Michigan, in Southeast Michigan.
11:00You know, the Harpo show, I think I remember, I don't know, I don't know if it was Stone
11:03Sour or Slipknot, but Corey said a fan climbed up on the stage, and for people that don't
11:08know, the stage is about eight feet high, and kind of, and the rest of the guys saw it
11:11and kind of jumped on him.
11:12Was that Slipknot or Stone Sour?
11:14I can't recall.
11:15I don't remember.
11:16It could happen for either one.
11:18So, yeah, I'm not sure.
11:19A lot of things happen.
11:20A lot of kids get, a lot of kids stories.
11:24I was going to say, you must have seen it all from your spot on the stage.
11:28Oh, yeah, I got the best seat in the house.
11:33Man, I can just imagine.
11:35How many times do you think you played Harpo's?
11:37I think three.
11:40Yeah, we played with Amen, Machine Head, Just Us.
11:45Yeah, I think about three times.
11:47Wow.
11:48And then you talked also in one of these interviews I saw about Subliminal Verses, which is personally
11:53my favorite record.
11:54What does that, what does it for you on that album?
11:59I think it was a very good way to introduce a little more of a, of a marching snare percussion
12:06kind of, kind of feel to it, which I really liked that we started off with that.
12:11And, you know, it's just a, I think things got a little more melodic compared to Iowa,
12:18you know, which coming off that record, you know, you can't really do much heavier.
12:23So it was kind of time to let Corey shine and let, let some other things just kind of
12:28breathe, you know.
12:30Did, did you guys make a, like, did you guys make like a, was it, was it a conscious effort
12:34to kind of make it more melodic or you used to like, you like, like you said, Iowa was
12:37over there.
12:37You did that.
12:38Now it's kind of do something else.
12:40I don't think it was conscious.
12:41I think it just, you know, organically happened, you know, and you know, you got Rick Rubin and
12:46you got Greg Fiddleman and you got these amazing guys that are just like taking you through
12:51the process.
12:51So I know when we went there and we got to Hollywood, that's where we live.
12:56We lived in the magician.
13:00Chris Angel.
13:01No, David Blaine.
13:03No, he's passed away now.
13:05Everybody used to hit him in the stomach.
13:07Oh, Houdini.
13:08Houdini.
13:09He had a house there that we stayed at.
13:12Rick bought it, but it's the Houdini mansion.
13:15They called it.
13:16And I think we were there for three months before anyone even recorded a note.
13:19Like it was just mayhem, right?
13:21Like people all over the place.
13:23But once we settled down and focused, that record's awesome.
13:27Like, like you said, I love that record.
13:29No, it's my favorite for sure.
13:31Why did it take three months for you guys to kind of get in the groove where you guys
13:35kind of feeling each other out?
13:36What was the story behind that?
13:38Partying.
13:40Having a blast.
13:41Period.
13:42There's no way to get around that one.
13:44All right.
13:45Fair enough.
13:46I was trying to give you an out, but that Houdini house, I've heard some crazy stories
13:50about that place.
13:51Was there anything like paranormal that you ever witnessed out there?
13:55No, but I lived in the basement, which was scary.
13:58And one night I did feel someone like holding on to me and I couldn't move.
14:04And I was like, I freaked out.
14:06And I like sat up in my bed.
14:07Oh my God.
14:08Oh my God.
14:09But there was nothing there.
14:10So there's, I don't know if I just manifested that to happen.
14:15So I was so fricking scared down there.
14:19Yeah.
14:19Sid and I lived in the basement together.
14:21That is crazy.
14:23And so what was it like to work with Rick Rubin?
14:26I've talked to a lot of guys that have worked with him.
14:27What was your experience with him?
14:29It's the same as probably everybody else.
14:30He's not around much.
14:32I have heard that.
14:33Yeah.
14:33You know what I mean?
14:34Like he comes in, he'll listen to some drum tracks and figure out, see if he likes the
14:38tempo and he'll be like, yeah, track two is kind of the tempo that feels good.
14:42And then what I think happens is, is, um, Fiddleman, the engineer, you know, he would
14:47get everything together and then just send Rick the music.
14:51So I think he works on like five or six projects at a time.
14:55So I'm assuming at night he probably just has to sit down and just chills out and listen
14:59to the music and, you know, figures out how it's going.
15:02He's got any ideas or whatever, but for the most part, yeah, he's a ghost.
15:06Yeah.
15:07I have heard that.
15:08I heard that he's, he's, he's not around very much at all.
15:10And then he'll just say, you guys do you, you do what you do.
15:14It's like, what does that even mean?
15:18There's something about the guy though.
15:20You know what I mean?
15:22There's, he's got the magic touch.
15:24Yeah, I guess he does.
15:25And he's worked like, uh, he's worked with tons of bands, um, you know, Black Sabbath being
15:30one.
15:30I think, I don't know.
15:31He wasn't working with Sabbath when a Bill Ward was around, but you're friends with Bill
15:34Ward.
15:34What, what, what, what's your friendship like with him?
15:37Oh yeah.
15:38He's just like my father.
15:39He's like another father to me.
15:41That guy's amazing.
15:42We usually talk about every day and, um, you know, when things are going good and that
15:48guy's amazing.
15:49Yeah.
15:51Now, um, with, with, with Bill Ward, like, have you read the books from like geezer and
15:55Tony and Ozzie and stuff?
15:56And I don't know, did, has Bill put out a book?
15:58I'm not even sure to be honest with you.
16:00Um, no, but he's, I think he has about three or four that are kind of ready to go.
16:04Oh, okay.
16:05I'm not getting in his business.
16:06You know what I mean?
16:07Right, right, right.
16:07That's what it is.
16:08But yeah, he's got stuff.
16:10He's, he's, he's a, he's a really good writer.
16:13And what, how, how have you guys become such good friends?
16:18Um, just through, we had, we had something in common that was, that we really liked to
16:24do.
16:25And we just, we stuck together ever since.
16:27Hmm.
16:28I got it.
16:28And of course, uh, it was sad to hear the passing of your friend, uh, Phil Campbell as well.
16:33Uh, talk about Bill.
16:35God, you want to talk about funny, that dude is funny.
16:39I mean, he's crazy in the best way.
16:41He's got the biggest heart.
16:43I mean, it was so cool to just go in and jam with him in the studio and make that
16:47song
16:47that we made these old boots.
16:50Um, it sucks that he lived so far away, you know, cause he lived in America.
16:54I would have visited him a lot more, but, um, you know, getting over to your England is
16:59tough, but, um, yeah, I miss him already.
17:02Yeah.
17:02Yeah.
17:03Obviously.
17:03Did, did you know him, uh, when, when Lemmy was alive?
17:06Oh yeah, sure.
17:07Yeah.
17:08We toured with motorhead a lot.
17:09Oh, back in the early days, probably.
17:11Or did they open up for you guys?
17:12Yeah.
17:13They opened up for us.
17:14Yeah.
17:14Like just on a regular flip, not to her.
17:16And so you'd see Lemmy just walk around, you know, Lemmy is one of these guys.
17:19Yeah.
17:20I, I never met Lemmy, which is kind of bizarre to me.
17:23Um, I never met Lemmy.
17:24I always say this Lemmy, Dale Earnhardt and Bob Probert are three guys that never got a
17:28chance to meet.
17:29And they, they were all right in my wheelhouse and for whatever reason.
17:31So, so did, did, did you tell me some stories about Lemmy?
17:35Um, he's quiet.
17:37He's real quiet guy.
17:38Um, cause they kind of, you know, he's been on tour since he's been what?
17:41Eight.
17:43He's just in it.
17:45He's just on tour his whole life.
17:47So, but I, he's just really personable guy.
17:50Shook his hand.
17:51Hey, Lemmy, you know, I got introduced to him and, but, uh, Mickey D is totally cool.
17:56You know, great drummer, you know?
17:58Um, yeah, I just, uh, talked to Mickey about a month ago for the, actually it's the first
18:02time I talked to him since I picked Don Dockin up at a hotel in 1990 and the mirror, mirror
18:08tour or whatever it was called.
18:09And I picked him up in our station vehicle in 1967 Hearst because I was too poor.
18:14My car was always broken.
18:15So I had to take the station vehicle to pick Don up.
18:18So yeah, Mickey D was great, man.
18:23So, um, obviously another percussionist and stuff.
18:26What is it like with, with, with a band like Slittin' Out?
18:28You got all these percussionists, DJs and all this stuff.
18:30It's like, you know, I was just talking to my friend Robbie from Godsmack the other day.
18:34And I know that you're, you're a fan of, uh, Shannon Larkin.
18:37And so am I, I mean, who, who isn't, you know, when bass players are working with drummers
18:41and stuff, and I'm not going to sit here and pretend to be a musician, but what is it
18:44like when you're a percussionist, you got Joey, you got all these, all these guys, you
18:48know, all the guys kind of like a circus up there on stage.
18:50It's intimidating.
18:52It's, it's very intimidating to have, um, to be a percussionist with Joey Jordison.
18:57You know what I mean?
18:58I'm in the studio, like watching this guy, like, what am I going to do?
19:02You know, this guy can cover everything, you know, it's just a phenomenon.
19:06And, um, but yeah, it's, uh, it's cool, you know, cause he's, he realizes that the
19:12percussion was a big part of it also.
19:14So we were, he'd work up some parts and somebody would come up with some parts and, you know,
19:18we just fit it in there within his madness, you know, and it was, it was cool to do really
19:23cool.
19:24I miss that dude on the time.
19:25Oh yeah.
19:26I'm sure.
19:26Um, you know, he, he did the word that comes to mind right, right, right away.
19:30When I think of Joey was a machine, he was just a machine back there.
19:33Yeah.
19:35Unbelievable.
19:36Yeah.
19:37Unbelievable.
19:37How hard he hit and, but yet how smooth he could be and technical and, you know, and
19:42sound check, he just to whip out some jazz and you're just like, is there anything
19:47you can't do like he was amazing.
19:50Yeah.
19:51I never had a chance to meet him either, but, uh, man, I was just, I was a big fan
19:55of
19:55his, uh, dude, do you miss going out there and touring or you just kind of, you just kind
19:58of, uh, doing your thing right now and just, just living life.
20:01Yeah.
20:02Just living life.
20:02I don't, I don't miss it right now.
20:04No, I don't know if I could do it at the, at the level that I ended on, you know,
20:10I don't
20:10know if I could perform at that level anymore.
20:12I got some injuries now and, you know, stuff like that, but no, so it's, it's good just
20:17to, um, be a dad.
20:19Yeah.
20:20Yeah.
20:20That's great.
20:21That's great that, you know, slipped on this music industry has afforded you that opportunity
20:24that some people probably don't get, but that's pretty cool.
20:27Yeah.
20:27Totally grateful.
20:28Lucky.
20:29Very lucky.
20:30Yeah.
20:30Do you keep in touch with any of the guys in the band?
20:33No, no.
20:34Just doing your own thing.
20:36Yeah.
20:36Just doing my own thing.
20:37And people may or may not know that, uh, you have a garage full of, of baseball cards
20:42too, right?
20:43I do.
20:44I do have millions.
20:47Man.
20:47You were telling me about it.
20:49Ever since I was a little kid.
20:50Ever since I was a kid.
20:51I thought about you a few months ago because, uh, Darren McCarty opened up a pack of cards
20:56and, and, uh, and you, you know, Darren, right?
20:59Yeah.
20:59Yeah.
21:00And, uh, so anyways, yeah, you guys have been at shows together.
21:02Anyways, uh, he opens up the cards.
21:04There's like the number one Darren McCarty and he signs it.
21:07And I just thought about that conversation you had.
21:09Like you don't sign the cards.
21:10You just want them pristine.
21:11And right.
21:12Is that right?
21:12Yeah.
21:13Yeah.
21:14Now that's, that's starting to change a little bit.
21:16Like you can get it, you can get it autographed and then send it in to get, um, authenticated.
21:22Like there's a lot of Ricky Henderson rookies that just people had him sign it, you know,
21:27and it's, it's still worth something, but usually it's not.
21:31You kind of deface the card.
21:33Yeah.
21:34That's why I've heard it.
21:35So, so what, what do you have more, more baseball cards, hockey, football, what do
21:39you have?
21:40Yeah.
21:41Mostly baseball.
21:42Baseball.
21:43So I got a lot of Connor McDavid, um, as far as hockey and other sports go, I've kind
21:48of find those hot rookies and I just kind of go after them instead of buying boxes of
21:52cards.
21:53I'll just go after those specific cards.
21:56So, and you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll go to record or, I mean, card collecting, uh,
22:02conventions or whatever.
22:03Like I go to record conventions and look through stuff or what?
22:05I won't do it.
22:07No, I know I'll be broke.
22:09I'll leave there.
22:11Cause they have cases of stuff from the fifties, right?
22:16Unopened.
22:17Like this is all of the stuff you can't even believe it.
22:20So it's better.
22:21I stay away from those places.
22:22So you literally have like, you think you have a million cards?
22:26Probably.
22:27Wow.
22:28Yeah.
22:29What are you going to do with them?
22:31Just pass them down to the kids.
22:32Yeah.
22:33Yeah.
22:33I still eBay and I still trade and do stuff like that, but yeah, it'll just end up going
22:39to them.
22:40Now it's just kind of a fun hobby.
22:41When I get bored, I'll go out and look through them and find some guys that have like, oh,
22:46there's a McGonagall.
22:47Like I never knew he was going to be anything.
22:49You know what I mean?
22:50I'll be like, oh, I bet I got more of those and I'll find them and keeps my brain busy.
22:55Yeah, I bet.
22:55And so you said eBay and stuff.
22:58If I'm not mistaken and correct me if I'm wrong, do you eBay with Slipknot fans certain
23:01things too or no?
23:02Do you sign stuff and send it to them or how's it you doing that stuff?
23:06No, just because I do the signings.
23:08Okay.
23:09Yeah.
23:10It's not fair for someone to send it to me and I don't charge them, but I charge someone
23:17somewhere else.
23:18Yeah.
23:19So yeah, I just keep it at the shows now.
23:22No, that makes sense.
23:23And then your friend, Sean Baker, people don't know he's your buddy and he kind of, he kind
23:27of helps you out with all the signings, but he told me, I told him I was gonna be talking
23:31to him.
23:31I'm like, Hey, tell me something, you know, I could, you know, fun.
23:33I could pass along a story to ask about Chris about, and he told me about, you know what,
23:38and this is kind of probably happens a lot, but he says, you know, you guys are walking
23:42and there's a kid walk around.
23:43He's got a Slipknot shirt on and there's, there's you on the slit and he doesn't know it's
23:46you.
23:47And you walk up to him.
23:47That must happen quite a bit.
23:49I'd imagine, or it could happen quite a bit.
23:51Probably.
23:51It does.
23:52Yeah, it does.
23:53And I always think it's so funny.
23:54There was this, the story he's talking about specifically, I know what he's talking about
23:57is, uh, we were at the airport and there was this kid sitting there in a Slipknot shirt
24:01who was on his phone.
24:02Um, so I roll over and we got the camera roll and I sit next to him and I just
24:07start staring
24:08at him and he will not look up.
24:10And so I put my arm around him and this dude is like, all of a sudden turning like, like,
24:16what are you doing?
24:17I'm like, I'm just like, what's up, man?
24:18He's like, what's up freak?
24:20Like, so I take my arm off and I'm just sitting there and finally I go, Hey man, I'm in
24:24that
24:25band.
24:25And then he's like, what?
24:27No, you're not.
24:28And then it starts that thing, right?
24:30That you usually get, that's not you.
24:33I'm like, okay, dude.
24:36And then you got to pull up your Wikipedia page or something.
24:38Yeah, totally.
24:40Yeah.
24:40That's great.
24:41Well, that's gotta be fun to do that kind of stuff.
24:43You know, especially when you're, you know, when you're in an airport, just killing time
24:45probably.
24:46Totally.
24:46And he got a kick out of it.
24:47So that was the main part.
24:49But that must happen a lot.
24:51Yeah.
24:51Yeah.
24:52If I engage in it.
24:53Yeah.
24:54There's a lot of Slipknot fans.
24:56Oh, I'm sure.
24:56And I don't know.
24:57I don't know how your wife or kids are or something, but I can, you know, my wife would
25:01be elbowing me to go up and talk to every kid that had a Slipknot shirt on or whatever
25:05the case is.
25:06Did your, does your family egg you on?
25:08No, no.
25:09They, they, they really don't even care.
25:11I think.
25:12Yeah.
25:13Which is awesome.
25:14Yeah, no, that's fine.
25:15My, my wife, she's always go, go over and talk to him.
25:17Like, I don't want to talk to him right now.
25:18Uh, but a couple more things here for you.
25:21Speaking of Wikipedia, Wikipedia, is this true that you, you have a fear of birds?
25:26No, it's, I mean, yeah, in a way I do.
25:30I like when they're flying around me or whatever, I'm, you know, I'm not into it, but it was
25:36for that video that we did.
25:37Oh yeah.
25:38And I had found out there's this religion that when you pass away, they put you on
25:45a stake and the birds come in and take care of everything.
25:50I was like, wow, that must be like a long process.
25:54Oh my God.
25:55Very evil, like a very evil process.
25:58So when we all picked out how we wanted to go out in this life for that video, I picked
26:02that one.
26:03Um, well, I guess whatever fear you have, I also have that fear.
26:07Yeah.
26:07Right.
26:08Yeah.
26:10Hey, go ahead.
26:11I remember hunting when we were kids and, uh, we're pheasant hunting and you can put the
26:16bird in, in your back of your vest.
26:18There's like a hole in there.
26:20So I get one and I throw him in there and I'm walking and all of a sudden that sucker
26:24came back alive and we'll slap it around in my back.
26:27I'm like running through the frigging forest.
26:31Oh my God.
26:33Well, another reason I don't pheasant hunt.
26:36Yeah, exactly.
26:38And then what, what people may or may not know is that you also, you, you kind of have
26:41like a, a somewhat of a cover band, but I'll never forget.
26:45I have to tell this story real fast.
26:46It was in 2017.
26:47I want to say it was March and I was waiting at a car dealership and this number came up
26:52on my phone that I didn't recognize, but it was a local number.
26:55So I'm like, well, I'll answer it.
26:56And here's this guy screaming into the phone.
26:58You've lost that loving feeling.
26:59It was you asking me for tickets for hollow notes.
27:03And I'm like, why do you want tickets for hollow notes?
27:06You're like, I love hollow notes.
27:08And that was a wild night because you did end up getting tickets to hollow notes.
27:13I went to Soundgarden that night, which was the final Soundgarden show.
27:17Crazy.
27:18Yeah.
27:19Yeah.
27:19That was a weird thing.
27:20Wasn't it, man?
27:22Well, my wife woke me up the next day and said, Chris Cornell died.
27:25I'm like, all right, what?
27:27You know, I couldn't believe it.
27:30No.
27:30So you still, you still a big hollow notes guy.
27:32Oh yeah.
27:33Oh yeah.
27:34Yeah.
27:35That's my cover band.
27:36That's what we do is seventies and eighties stuff.
27:38And I, I love it.
27:40Yeah.
27:40We're just, we just jack around in the garage.
27:42We're not playing out live or anything.
27:44You should play out live, man.
27:45Go to like, uh, go to like McNasty's or some bar down by your house or something.
27:49Oh yeah.
27:49There you go.
27:50There you go.
27:52McNasty's.
27:52We laugh about that all the time.
27:54I went there on my, I went there on my, my motorcycle a few weeks ago.
27:58Oh, you've been in there.
27:59Yeah.
28:00Oh, see, I will not go in.
28:02Why not?
28:03Come on.
28:04It's a good place.
28:05Maybe one day I'll check it out.
28:07I'll tell you what.
28:07All the time when we drive by.
28:09I'll meet you down there one time.
28:11I'll buy you a hamburger or something.
28:12Fair enough.
28:13So what else, what else you got going on in the future here, here in the rest of 2026,
28:17you just going to collect cards and do something.
28:21I tore my bicep in half and I tore my rotator cuff and I had bone spurs and arthritis and
28:26all kinds of action.
28:27So I did one big surgery at the end of February and now I'm just in rehab trying to get
28:33some
28:34motion back in it.
28:35So there's no golf, there's no baseball, there's no nothing with the kids.
28:39You know, I'm just kind of left-handed, trying to do everything with my left hand.
28:45So I was going to ask you about golf.
28:47You know, I think I told you a story once before, but I asked Alice Cooper in like 1999,
28:51like how good a golfer are you?
28:53He's like, he looked at me dead serious and goes, I can beat 99% of the guys that play.
28:57So how good were you at your peak?
29:00Better than Alice Cooper.
29:01Really?
29:02Wow.
29:02Oh yeah.
29:03Yeah.
29:03I played with him.
29:05Really?
29:06Yeah.
29:06I beat the pants off.
29:09You were in the 1%.
29:11I'm in that 1%.
29:13That's awesome.
29:14How many times do you play with Alice?
29:17Just once or twice.
29:19I know once for sure in Iowa.
29:22And then, oh, here's a, this is a great story.
29:24So Alice is coming into town to play a show and wants to play golf.
29:31Found somebody knew that I played golf and blah, blah, blah.
29:34So I'm going to drive from Ankeny, Iowa to Des Moines, pick up Alice Cooper in my car
29:38and take him to the golf course.
29:40Like, this is going to be crazy.
29:41Right.
29:43So I get there and Alice brings his own car with him on tour.
29:47Like he pulls it with the bus.
29:49And I didn't know that.
29:50But so this other guy gets in my car who needed a ride.
29:54And I was just like one of his assistants or something.
29:56Right.
29:57And I'm driving and I'm like, Hey, I'm Chris.
29:59You know, he's like, Hey, I'm Damon.
30:00How you doing?
30:01I'm like, cool, cool.
30:03And I'm like, so what do you do?
30:05You know, he's like, Oh, I play guitar for, you know, the dude.
30:10And I'm like, Oh, no way.
30:11That's very cool.
30:13I'm like, you look really familiar, you know?
30:15And he's like, yeah, well, I used to play in another band.
30:19And it was Damon Johnson, right?
30:22Damon Johnson.
30:22Yep.
30:23Yeah.
30:24And I was like, no way is that you?
30:27And it was him.
30:28Yeah.
30:28Yeah.
30:29Yeah.
30:29Brother Cain.
30:29Brother Cain is so awesome.
30:33Yeah.
30:33You were a fan.
30:34That's right.
30:34Yeah.
30:35Yeah.
30:35So I was, I was more excited to play with him than I was Alice.
30:39Like for real.
30:40So we ended up getting a cart together and ended up becoming good friends.
30:43Yeah.
30:44That's awesome.
30:45Yeah.
30:46Well, dude, thanks so much for doing this for me.
30:48It's always good to talk with you.
30:50Hopefully you can get, get healed up there and get back out in the course.
30:53I know, I know you probably want to do that.
30:55Yeah.
30:55I appreciate it for sure.
30:57Thanks for having me.
30:58Yeah, dude.
30:58I appreciate that.
30:59You hit me up anytime.
31:00And one time I got to take you up to McNasty's.
31:02Okay.
31:03I'm in.
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