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00:00the feeling of seeing other people play live and the feeling of being on stage myself is just i
00:04want to keep chasing that feeling and always keep pushing myself to keep working on it because i
00:09think i feel like i'm meant to be on that stage rock metal frog and everything in between welcome
00:16to this episode of talking rock with meltdown don't forget to follow the audio only talking
00:21rock podcast on all podcast platforms and now it's time for today's conversation here's meltdown
00:28hey ty good to see you man how are you great man thanks for having me great to see you too
00:33yeah um so the new record uh sweaty pull i guess the four song ep correct that comes out at the end
00:39november early december depending on which uh format you want correct right correct yeah the um
00:44the digital ep releases on december 5th and then the vinyl releases on like the 28th or something
00:53yeah i saw that yeah the 28th uh are you a vinyl guy at all uh any of your any of your buddies vinyl
00:58guys to be honest me not really i actually i don't really listen to much vinyl really i mean
01:05i should get into it but um but um i know like some people like are into vinyl you know a lot of people
01:16are into it so i should get into it though i should yeah so uh before we get into uh auto so are you i'm
01:23i'm trying to figure this out because i didn't see the last leg of the metallica tour are you currently
01:27in in suicidal tendencies that is that another gig for you yeah currently suicidal tendencies i'm
01:33actually um i'm leaving to australia uh later tonight to do a tour with them wow what a life man
01:39that's pretty cool who are you touring with you guys going to be going out with somebody or by
01:42themselves so we're we're opening for metallica on this stretch and then uh we have some one-off
01:48shoot uh shows too uh on our own oh okay i didn't even i thought metallica was done for the uh year
01:54but they got some shows in australia tell me yeah yeah it was just pretty killer no that's awesome
02:01so um real fast uh were you friends with uh sam rivers um i like i actually haven't met him but
02:09he was man rest in peace gone way too soon um he was a great great player and um it's just uh
02:18yeah it's it's heartbreaking yeah yeah especially when you get in this business like i am we've lost a
02:24lot of uh lost a lot of our favorites uh especially this year with the ozzy and stuff you knew ozzy didn't
02:29shoot yeah yeah that was uh you know shock and yeah one of those kind of legends that will live
02:39forever no matter what but uh it was such a magical day seeing him live yeah i was gonna say did you
02:46go to the back to beginning show yeah so i went to that um and it was just i couldn't couldn't keep
02:52my eyes off the stage it was like wow just the whole day it was just like incredible yeah i mean
02:59i've i'm a lot older than you obviously it's like i i don't think i've ever seen a rock show like that
03:04that was like the like the metal show of the century definitely yeah did you go too no i had a chance to
03:10go with my friend otto who i was just talking about what you got on but i didn't have i i had a chance
03:15but i i didn't go and of course you know now i look back on myself and kicking myself i should have gone
03:20yeah it was such a such a magical show just every single musicians that got on the stage jam i was
03:29just like wow i can't leave the stage i can't yeah um you know ozzy was like uh when i was your age
03:36man i was just an ozzy fanatic and just a chance just just the fact that you got to know ozzy that's
03:42really cool yeah it was really cool being able to yeah to to meet him you know a couple times such a
03:49such a legend and so influential to uh so many people so it was like wow yeah yeah and and i was
03:57thinking about this before i started talking to you but i don't think that i've ever interviewed a guy
04:01or i'm i'm trying to think of any other guys that where their father and the son have both played for
04:06the same band that's like you know i i think i saw your dad opening up for metallica in 94 on that
04:11tour the uh shit uh the binge and shit tour wow yeah right yeah they they um yeah they opened up
04:18for metallica back in the 90s crazy how the universe goes around yeah i think the last time i talked to
04:26your daddy was here you know obviously for the detroit metallica show and i asked him about um i was kind
04:30of surprised when i asked him about this but i had just gone to see the um the motown museum with
04:36charlie benante the day before and he was and he said that he was really influenced by a motown do
04:42you have any influence on motown or is that not in your wheelhouse at all yeah i mean i've you know
04:46i i grew up like listening to it uh you know my dad and family were like uh play me stuff by different
04:54uh different bands it's more more so like funk i would say um because my dad was really influenced
04:59by that and like you would play me like bands like cameo and stuff and like um so i grew up like
05:06hearing it in the car and stuff around and yeah i think as you get older some of the stuff that you
05:13hear when you're when you're in your youth kind of comes back to you maybe not yet like at your age
05:17but you know when you get in your 30s and 40s gonna go oh yeah that's right i remember that from
05:20my dad used to play that yeah it definitely comes back full circle that's totally true yeah so uh
05:26tell me about the uh the new four song ep uh sweaty pool you got uh nick alivari on there as well
05:31yeah it's killer so um nick alivari's on the single sweaty pool check it out it's out um right now the
05:39video's out as well um yeah it was just uh just all came together just kind of like we uh we had this
05:47killer instrumental which with this kind of weird slap bass line i came up with and um and we just all
05:54put it together and then uh we were just like well we we got to figure out like vocally like we want
05:59to like some sort of guest on this because it just is such a kind of a trippy song like it doesn't
06:07really it doesn't really have like a certain pinpointed genre to it i would say um so i just
06:15wanted to make it kind of weird and out of the box a bit um and then then yeah then nick alivari
06:21came to my mind because i grew up listening to like his vocals and a lot of his stuff so um
06:27so yeah we reached out and uh he came on the track and boom and then the and then along with that track
06:34the rest of the tracks also have their own kind of cool um sound to it so um i'm really uh excited to
06:43push this thing out there and uh just uh present it to uh the world yeah so how come how come a four
06:49song ep and not like um you know like a full record or whatever uh we we wanted to do like a
06:55four song ep i think to just get the momentum started and keep the fans a little engaged by like
07:01just um kind of a quick batch of songs rather than like a full record i think um if we did a full record
07:10i think it would take a little longer so i just wanted to just put stuff out there and just get some
07:17stuff out there quickly so do you have other stuff that they're kind of that's kind of like still
07:21laying around in the uh in the recording studio and that yeah there's just some yeah there's still
07:25some stuff laying around like there's some new arrangements and stuff that uh we're gonna have
07:30in the works so excited for that too yeah and all this is gonna have to wait till 2026 i mean
07:36you have anything planned for 2026 as far as a tour or other new music or anything
07:40yeah well a couple suicidal shows and um songwriting and um yeah just uh one of them is coachella which
07:50is pretty awesome it's suicidal yeah that is really cool yeah yeah so you've probably talked about this
07:58a billion times but how does one get into suicidal tendencies obviously you know they they know your
08:02dad and stuff i mean is that just the connection or do you have to audition how does that work
08:06well the crazy thing is is that um so like mike he knew about my playing for a bit um because after
08:14like i did the corn stuff way back when and then i came to see some suicidal shows growing up so i knew
08:21you know i knew mike and stuff i had that connection but um but yeah i remember i did a fill-in gig
08:27actually one fill-in gig for raw their previous bass player um did a fill-in gig and
08:34um i uh did that one thing and then after that like raw the suicidal was needing like a bass player
08:44um so that was coming back after the pandemic so then mike asked if i was interested in doing some
08:51shows um in like 2021 um and then uh yeah then i agreed to doing it and um we started picking back up
09:01and uh i've been uh been jamming with them ever since pretty much that's great so when you when
09:06you joined corn and stuff what is it like to play with a guy like ray lazier because i i think he's
09:11like one of the most talented drummers out there yeah he's a monster on the drums it was it was really
09:17cool to be able to play with play with him as a rhythm section and like be able to you know catch the
09:23energy of the crowd and just like get to know all those guys like they're one of the bands that got me
09:29started playing music so um it was really just an inspiring experience yeah how many gigs did you
09:36play with them you played a couple tours didn't you i did so i did one tour south america tour for
09:42two weeks oh okay one of the most incredible two weeks ever i can imagine you know what i was doing
09:50when i was your age i think i was like uh i don't know being yelled at by my parents to clean my room
09:55or something you're touring south america that's like that's like unreal do you ever do you ever
09:59realize how how like crazy your life is compared to other kids i mean you grew up in a different
10:03part of the world than i did for sure but it's like it's kind of insane it is kind of insane yeah
10:08i'm grateful for it you know and i always keep pushing myself to um keep uh keep working on it and
10:15keep it going because i think uh just you know i feel like i'm meant to be on that stage so
10:21yeah yeah i was gonna say like what where where does that drive come from does it does it come
10:27from uh your parents does it come from senior your friends or where does that come from that drive
10:32i think it comes from the feeling of playing live i think the feeling of seeing other people play live
10:39and the feeling of being on stage myself is just i want to keep chasing that uh that feeling and
10:45i want to keep the momentum going yeah one of the other things i remember talking to your dad about
10:51when he was here in detroit a couple years ago was um i think he said he mentioned going to a club
10:56and with uh getty lee from rush and i don't know if you were with him at that point uh what do you
11:02think of the the rush thing coming back because i mean getty lee obviously one of the most skilled
11:05guys out there as well yeah oh yeah getty lee legend um i think it's really cool and i want to see
11:12them live i i've never saw them live um like at an actual show so i would love to uh to see them play
11:20yeah speaking of uh great drummers neil peard i had a chance to see live a few times that guy was on a
11:25different planet oh yeah definitely he's on it yeah and he wrote all the lyrics right like it's crazy
11:32yeah he was uh yeah he was a lyric writer as well uh who writes all the lyrics in your band
11:38um so that was uh it's mainly our vocalist writes all the lyrics um but then sometimes i collaborate
11:46and write lyrics like you know with people so you know depends now obviously you know with your dad
11:55being in in all sorts of bands for years and a legend himself i see you got guitars and basses and
12:00you know krk speakers behind you and stuff how musical is your is your household and like your life are
12:05you constantly surrounded by music yeah i mean there's a lot of music going on in the house like
12:11my sister's a drummer so she's practicing drums um a lot and she has her bands and then um my mom
12:18likes to make music and then my dad obviously and then so there's always music going around like
12:24always creativity which is which is great i heard you talking about your sister being a drummer at one
12:29point is she older or younger than you she's younger yeah and do you guys ever like jam
12:34you have jam before yeah it's fun we're into like some of the same bands like similar bands so
12:41it's cool that there's like a connection there yeah what kind of bands are you into i mean i'm i'm big
12:47into like um just a lot of like the some of the 90s stuff and some of the 2000s stuff but like you
12:54know like queens of the stone age um like uh equals the death metal failure um you know allison chains
13:03um yeah yeah allison chains is probably my favorite band from uh that era but yeah you
13:10mentioned a bunch of a a couple josh homie projects so yeah he's an influence on what you do huh
13:16yeah he's he's killer he's he's great he's just he did a record with arctic monkeys too i think
13:22producing them it was really cool yeah he's got his hands in a in a lot of stuff yeah it's killer
13:29i like that he that he that he keeps like that inspires me because i i like to be creative in
13:35all like sort of platforms and just do just do a bunch of fun stuff musically and without any uh
13:42really rules why do you feel you have rules now and auto or no oh no i i think when we all get
13:51together i think it's very uh natural and i think we just kind of we build off of each other
13:57we come into the space with the open mind and um we um we improvise and come up with great stuff so
14:06yeah i mean that's that's one of the great things about it is that i think we don't have any rules and
14:12that's that's kind of one of the things that i like really respect about like a lot of the bands
14:18i listen to is that they don't really have any rules on their musical styles so it pushes me to be
14:24like yeah i want to do that with uh the band i play in and with everything musically i do
14:31now uh one of my friends i remember walking out of a hockey rink one time and he is a legend in
14:37hockey like a first time all-star on first time hall of famer the whole thing and now he was walking
14:41out of his kids practice and i said does your kid listen to listen to you when you give him advice
14:45he goes absolutely not he never listens to anything my son's kind of the opposite where he listens to
14:50me when i tell him stuff like you know when it comes to sports or whatever but i mean how much
14:55do you listen to your dad about stuff like as far as writing maybe uh uh you know musical interpretation
14:59do you bring stuff to him to listen to or what yeah i mean i i do and i i listen to him because um
15:06you know i he's been in you know he's he's been on the world longer than me and i y'all i i really
15:13think uh listening um to people who are experienced in uh what you do is really like might as well
15:24might as well do it and um you know and see what they have to say and um yeah it's good it's good
15:33to listen to all forms yeah outside of him who are some of your other bass influences and you started
15:37out playing drums too didn't you yeah i was messing around on drums when i was like two
15:42uh for a bit um so that was a kind of my first musical um thing but uh yeah bass players uh my family
15:53friend um my good friend armand sabaleko he's a great songwriter too he's amazing songwriter amazing
16:01bass player him um and then um justin chancellor from tool um great bass lines uh nick oliveri
16:10his bass lines um geezer butler so yeah yeah geezer butler he's another one that wrote all the lyrics
16:21oh yeah definitely yeah he's another one that yeah that did all that it's pretty cool like
16:26multiple forms of talent yeah i don't know if you caught his book uh into the void but that's a good
16:32one to read maybe on your flight tonight yeah maybe i should catch it did you see i just finished
16:38ozzy's book and he he name drops your dad a few times and a bunch of other guys he uh he played
16:42with but uh man i i remember seeing that era of uh ozzy as well so yeah your your dad's been around
16:48my life for a long time whether whether uh inside whether i knew it or not you know in some way shape
16:54or form but uh well listen dude i'll let you go here uh sweaty pool that comes out you said november
16:5828th on a vinyl and digital on december 5th and uh four song ep man have fun in australia that's so
17:05cool man thanks man i i can't wait man i'm i just like i'm a beach guy so i i'm a travel i'm just a
17:12travel fanatic so um i'm really excited to just get out there and just play music and just hang out and
17:20uh yeah meet some cool people man and uh yeah everybody keep an eye out for the new ep coming
17:27out very soon and then uh take a listen to the single sweaty pool yeah sweaty pool that's out right
17:32now people can check it out it's heavy duty man there's no holding back there's no rules on that
17:36one oh yeah definitely no rules on that one hi great to talk to you uh send your best to your dad
17:42from detroit and safe travels we'll see you maybe next time you're here we'll do yeah see you next
17:47time i'm out there um yeah yeah take care man thank you so much
17:51you
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