00:00He won two with you, Ted, of course, and 30 picks, 30 sacks in his career, making him and Ray
00:06Lewis the only two players in NFL history to reach both those marks.
00:09How good was, if we're going to do this comparison, you would know Rodney as well as anybody.
00:13How good was Rodney Harrison?
00:14How instrumental was he to those two titles?
00:16He was huge.
00:18He was kind of set the tone for our secondary.
00:22You always want, like, stability.
00:24You always want, like, one guy to be the adult in the secondary.
00:27You know, while it was Lawyer Malloy, you know, before that it was Willie Clay.
00:33After Lawyer, it was Rodney Harrison.
00:36But Rodney brought kind of an edge to him.
00:39You know, people think he's dirty.
00:41I don't see that.
00:41He was just played with an edge.
00:43When you say people think he's dirty, were that, like, other players?
00:46How about the refs who could find him hundreds of thousands of times?
00:49Yeah, I think that was a little overblown.
00:51I think, you know, he's just playing football.
00:53Like, when you say you don't see it, are you looking the other way?
00:56Like, you know, plays that were like, okay, I can get why that was the case.
01:00I guess when I played with him, I never saw him hitting late or doing something, trying to hurt somebody
01:07after the whistle.
01:09I mean, I can think of other guys around the league that were that.
01:14I didn't see that from Rodney.
01:16So, I don't know why that reputation.
01:18He was voted dirtiest by his peers in Sports Illustrated twice.
01:21And then the coaches in 08 voted him dirtiest, too.
01:24All right.
01:24Well, I don't see that.
01:25I don't know.
01:25Besides that, I didn't vote, I guess.
01:27I saw that differently.
01:28Don't argue with 10.
01:29But so, you look at the two.
01:30I don't know.
01:31We're comparing Rodney versus Bergeron.
01:34Bergeron played 19 seasons.
01:36What's more impressive?
01:3719 years.
01:3719 seasons.
01:37That's like Art Monk.
01:39He's just, like, never retired.
01:40I think they're both.
01:41I think they're almost.
01:42Rodney played 15.
01:44Yeah.
01:44I mean.
01:45They're both tough sports, obviously.
01:46They're both very tough.
01:48You know, both of them went to.
01:50Well, one.
01:51Bergeron has a Stanley Cup.
01:52And two appearances, right?
01:54Rodney has two Super Bowls.
01:56Two for two.
01:56With three for three appearances, right?
01:58Oh, did he lose one?
01:59He lost one in 07.
02:00Oh, yeah.
02:01I think so.
02:02So, that to me is a wash.
02:04You know.
02:04Both of them are captains, right?
02:07Man.
02:08So, I don't know.
02:08It's a tough one.
02:10Harrison didn't make a lot of Pro Bowls, did he?
02:12He only.
02:12He made two Pro Bowls.
02:13That's it, too?
02:14Two Pro Bowls.
02:15I thought more than that.
02:16But here's the thing, though.
02:17A lot of good safeties in that area.
02:18But.
02:2015 years.
02:21He was a two-time first-team All-Pro.
02:23It's not Pro Bowls.
02:24You've got to look at All-Pro.
02:25Yeah.
02:25And he was a one-time, a second-team All-Pro.
02:29Which is.
02:30It's usually Hall of Famers have at least three All-Pro.
02:36Yeah.
02:37Kind of on their in either first or second.
02:39He does.
02:39He has three.
02:40He has two first-team and one second-team.
02:42I feel like at the end of the day.
02:44I mean, they're going to retire Patrice Bergeron's jersey here.
02:46Yes, yes.
02:47Rodney, I don't think, played here long enough.
02:49At the end of the day, I think Patrice Bergeron had a bigger impact on his team.
02:54Yeah.
02:55Culture setting.
02:56Even though Rodney was a culture setter.
02:57Not in the way I don't think Patrice was.
02:59It's close.
02:59And it's actually a fun debate.
03:01It is.
03:01But I have to give the edge to Patrice.
03:03And I love Rodney.
03:04Wow.
03:04I have to give the.
03:05Just as far as like overall impact.
03:07The Selkies.
03:08The Selkies.
03:09Six Selkies, I think.
03:10That's the most anyone's ever had, I think.
03:11Yeah.
03:12So there you go.
03:12Okay.
03:13There you go.
03:13The only knock on Bergeron is, of course, only the one title.
03:16And in 2019, the loss to the Blues.
03:19Now, he was past his prime, I guess you could say.
03:20But Ryan O'Reilly, head up against them, outplayed him for the series.
03:24He really did.
03:25Now, it wasn't all Bergeron's fault.
03:26Obviously, game seven, you had the March and line change, and it was just a disastrous
03:29game seven.
03:30However, that surprised me, RK, in that year, that when it came to a cup final, he was outplayed
03:36by Ryan O'Reilly, who's still in the league, but he's not like a superstar in the league
03:39currently.
03:39He's kind of disappeared a little bit.
03:41Yeah.
03:41And he was, I mean, he's a big, strong, you know, centerman.
03:44And so, like, it's not crazy to think that.
03:46But yeah, Bergeron, you think back to the cup day one against that Canucks team, which
03:51was a more talented team than Bergeron and March and the Bruins were.
03:54I think Luchich and those guys, like, I liked them all.
03:57We all love them, obviously.
03:58But Tim Thomas kind of kept them in that.
04:00And Bergeron really established himself as the two-way guy that he was.
04:03And it's considered, like, he was on the front line with Team Canada.
04:07Like, that's, you know, I love Rodney, but he never got that high in his career, I don't
04:11think, as great as he was.
04:12And as important as he was in those championships, Bergeron, I think, just individually was a
04:17better player.
04:18I think it's a clean sweep.
04:20Yeah, I would go Bergeron.
04:21And they're different stylistically, right?
04:22I mean, offensive and Patrice was more finesse.
04:26Quiet leader.
04:27Another guy was, as you said, an edge.
04:28In your face.
04:29Yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:30Was he a trash talker on the field?
04:31Oh, yeah.
04:32Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:33It's so good.
04:34So good.
04:35The DBs, they never shut up.
04:37Do you talk more than Ty?
04:38Dude, Ty talks a lot, though.
04:41Ty and Rodney, both very neck and neck in how much smack talk.
04:45There's a great clip of Rodney Harrison and Brian Billick going back and forth.
04:48You ever seen that one?
04:49That one's really funny.
04:50Oh, yeah.
04:50Right back to each other.
04:51I said, where do you get all that energy, man?
04:53I mean, seriously.
04:54Like, I just, I couldn't waste my energy yelling at guys.
04:57Yeah.
04:57But DBs, they never shut the hell up, ever.
05:01Let's go to Tim and Hanover on Rodney Harrison.
05:03Hey, Tim.
05:04Gentlemen, before Rodney Bergeron, he was tough as nails and borderline dirty, but he was unbelievable.
05:11He deserves everything he gets.
05:13And, Ted, you're so right about Rodney.
05:15He was unbelievable in San Diego.
05:17And then when he went to New England, he did just the same.
05:20He played hot as hell.
05:22And he didn't, I didn't ever see him being dirty.
05:24I didn't.
05:25Yeah.
05:26You know what?
05:26A lot of that dirty stuff, I think, comes from the Chargers.
05:30I'll be honest.
05:31Sour grapes?
05:32Yeah, I don't know.
05:33Yeah.
05:33I mean, he did take a little extra shot at our boy Troy Brown, a famous kind of in training
05:38camp, to maybe set the tone.
05:40You know, Troy's fine.
05:41He didn't get hurt, but.
05:42Anybody defend Troy?
05:44I think, yeah.
05:44Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:45Of course.
05:45Troy Brown, I'm sure.
05:46I can't remember.
05:47None of the defensive players, of course.
05:49You know.
05:49They're like, damn.
05:50Okay, Troy.
05:51Okay, Rodney.
05:52But, yeah.
05:53Yeah, Bill basically wanted him to come in and do exactly what he set the tone like he
05:57did, because it had an impact.
05:59There was a lot of talk about the blood soda Brady thing and how that was in the locker
06:03room, but Malloy to Harrison was a pretty big one, too, just because Malloy, that was
06:06it.
06:06It was goodbye, you know?
06:07Like, and it was before Harrison even played, wasn't it?
06:10It was.
06:10They brought him in that summer.
06:12Yeah.
06:13And then they cut, you know, so they didn't play together other than in training camp.
06:17Yeah, yeah.
06:17And so they cut Lawyer right before the season started, and then, obviously, Rodney took
06:22over.
06:22But, yeah, they, you know, that was cold-blooded, man, because he had no intention of keeping
06:29Lawyer.
06:30Yeah.
06:30And he kept him all the way so that he couldn't make any money, but whatever.
06:34That's neither here nor there.
06:35Bill did all right afterwards.
06:36Oh, yeah.
06:37Two great 37s.
06:38By the way, it's Rich and Ken with Ted.
06:39R-Kan in for Rich today.
06:41And we're talking about two great 37s, Rodney Harrison and Patrice Bergeron.
06:44What about Shemi Ojalee?
06:45He's a good 37.
06:45Yeah, I put him in that conversation.
06:47A couple texts on this.
06:48Didn't Bergeron get his finger bitten in the Vancouver series?
06:51Yes.
06:51Alex Burrows.
06:526-1-7.
06:53He's also third all-time at face-offs one.
06:56I didn't know that.
06:56I'll take your word for that.
06:589-7-8 texter Taves was better than Bergeron.
07:01I guess.
07:02That's true.
07:02More cups.
07:03Yeah.
07:045-0-8 text.
07:05Stanley Cup, way harder to win than a Super Bowl.
07:07Ted, are you going to take that?
07:08No, I'm going to take that.
07:09What?
07:09Really?
07:10It's, it's, I am, are you kidding me?
07:113-7 game series before you get to the Stanley Cup?
07:17I mean, it's, you know.
07:18I mean, there's, there's, it's win or go home, right?
07:20It's, it's, there's a lot of, you know, you, but dude, hockey players to get that Stanley
07:26Cup, they have to go to hell and back to get there.
07:29The Carolina, do you see any?
07:31No, we even get, we even get a buy if we're, I've had buys.
07:34Yeah, that's true.
07:34You've got a lot of buys.
07:35I got games off.
07:35You win three games and you're done.
07:36Yeah, dude.
07:37You know, it's funny.
07:38All the buys I got would not work or would not happen in this modern day NFL because I
07:43was a two seed every time.
07:45Yeah.
07:45Yeah.
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