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00:04Welcome to ESPN Classics. Who's number one? I'm Trey Wingo. Listen, I'm going to tell
00:08you right now, this show is all about genius. More specifically, coaching genius. Which
00:13means we're talking about the people who come up with the X's and O's who can motivate,
00:17manipulate, elevate, and most importantly, win. We're about to separate the just good
00:23from the legendary. So grab your playbooks. This is ESPN Classics countdown of the 20 greatest
00:29coaches of all time.
00:32Number 20.
00:38John McGraw established a style of playing the game and set a tone in managing that was followed
00:46by everybody who came after him. John McGraw's classic idea was that you get on base, then
00:55you get sacrificed in second, then you steal third, you score on a ground ball or a flyball,
00:59you got the run, and you win 1-0.
01:01He was, I think, probably the first superstar manager. He gave other managers a lot of power.
01:07He brought a lot of authority to the office.
01:10Under the lash of John McGraw and employing his principles of small ball, the New York
01:15Giants won three World Series and ten pennants during the Feisty Skipper's 30-year tenure, including
01:21the two and a half seasons he managed the Baltimore Orioles, the taskmaster known as Little Napoleon
01:26amassed 2,763 wins, second only to Connie Mack.
01:30The day he retired in 1930, Luke Gehrig also hit four home runs in the Yankees game that
01:38same day. And McGraw was on the front page of the New York Times, and Gehrig was on the
01:44sports page. He set the tone of professional coaching in this country.
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02:32if you're committed to winning you're going to like you know playing for me you know if you're
02:38committed to hard work you're going to like playing for me and you try to get those players
02:41committed to those things and i'm guaranteeing everybody here next year we're going to win it
02:47again pat reilly is the consummate button pusher a master at finding just the right avenue into a
02:54player's mind he's been able to reach superstar or last man on the bench he won four nba titles
03:00with the showtime lakers of the 80s and in 2006 a fifth ring with the miami heat his ability to
03:07relate to magic johnson and dwayne wade you know to kareem abdul jabbar and now shaquille o'neal the
03:14best center of this era he's able to relate to players from different eras that's a very
03:20impressive thing about winning titles 18 years apart
03:44and what else are you doing i'm gonna have to take you out if you don't play defense and board
03:49that summit is almost scary at times you watch her on tv you see her in person and the fire
03:56in
03:56her eyes uh that intensity to win she is vince lombardi on a basketball court dom what do you not
04:05understand about pass it every time i'm very intense i don't hide that i'm tough i'm demanding i expect
04:13more from every player that walks in the door than probably they would ever expect from themselves
04:17but i think what people don't understand is um how much i care how much i love those kids and
04:23i mean they become like daughters to me starting in 1974 pat summit built a dynasty tennessee was and
04:30remains one of the gold standards of women's basketball she's captured six national titles and
04:36has piled up more wins than any ncaa coach regardless of gender or school size she was
04:42kind of like the person that everyone identified with when they talked about women's basketball
04:48we got a good group to run motion and she's very very good at articulating
04:54what women's basketball is and what it can be
05:11strictly as of x's and o's teaching on the floor changing strategy and games getting the most out of
05:19your players i don't believe there's ever been a coach better than bob knight he felt that it's
05:25three times tougher mentally than it is physically to be successful in basketball and then he just
05:30drill you on the basics and he felt by the time you got into a pressure situation you stay with
05:34the
05:35basics and more often than not the other person's going to make a mistake robert montgomery knight is a
05:40confounding mixture of coaching genius volcanic rage and profane philosopher coaching in five decades at
05:46army indiana and texas tech he's won three national championships in more than 850 games
05:52his 1976 hoosiers were the last to compile a perfect record in division one i really enjoy watching
05:59the game played well and from a selfie standpoint i think i enjoy trying to figure out how we can
06:05play
06:05against your team or his team or and and do it well and that's the difference that a coach has
06:12uh over anybody else in in athletics i think
06:24paterno could dissect the needs
06:28the potential exigencies of the game that was coming up and the other team as well as anybody
06:34come on kick to the ball let's go once i make up my mind to do something
06:40i really do everything possible physically mentally emotionally to get it done and i don't get
06:48sidetracked think about making short yards and then you have a short yard of japan more than half a century
06:56at the same school and still going strong joe paterno remains the symbol of penn state known as much for
07:03his
07:03deeds off the field as for his triumphs on it with more than 350 wins and two national titles it's
07:10difficult to tell where the man leaves off and the legend begins and vice versa joe paterno is the
07:16consummate football coach great coaches are great teachers and they teach more than anything more than
07:25dealing with people it's people skills because we're in the people business and joe has it and always did have
07:33it
07:45bill walsh is the greatest coach ever i think he was an innovator uh there's everyone still talks
07:50about the west coast offense a lot of it was dependent on quick time throws as well as play
07:57action passing where you're faking them throwing and each year this offense became more and more
08:02detailed more and more sophisticated more and more complete to the point that when i arrived with the
08:08san francisco 49ers it became a complete fully dimensional offense in only 10 seasons bill walsh revamped
08:15the way pro football especially offense was played with hall of fame quarterback joe montana at the
08:20controls of a diversified and precision passing attack the 49ers won three super bowls walsh transformed
08:27a 2-14 team into a true dynasty bill's a great coach one of the greatest granted some people coaches
08:33there
08:34have won more games than he has but they didn't start where he started what made him a great football
08:41person was his ability to focus an entire organization his ability to build an organization
08:49with one singular purpose
09:01shula has the greatest command presence of any coach i've ever known
09:09you felt shula was there when he walked into our meeting room everybody just hushed up i wear my
09:15feelings on my sleeve and there's no camouflage and i think in some ways that might have been
09:20intimidating bum phillips once said of don shula he could take his and beat yours and take yours and
09:25beat his at baltimore and then miami the jut jawed perfectionist won an nfl record 347 games including
09:32two super bowls with the dolphins in the 1972 season shula produced the only perfect record in league
09:39history i hope that i'm going to be remembered as you know the coach that won the most games the
09:45perfect season certainly and then also for trying to do things the right way
10:00the greatest manager i ever played for joe mccarthy was joe mccarthy his idea of a rookie coming in
10:09was to play him at the beginning of the season and no matter how well he played or how badly
10:14he played
10:14he'd make you sit next to him for two weeks and he'd ask you questions make sure you're in the
10:20ball
10:20game mccarthy was the best manager that ever lived that had the ability to make a ball to bear down
10:31to win
10:34i want to say one thing that i am very happy to be the manager of such a great game
10:39golf club
10:39and the yankee ball club joe mccarthy managed for 24 major league seasons and posted the best winning
10:46percentage 614 in history with him at the helm the yankees won seven world series including four
10:53straight beginning in 1936 mccarthy was also a pioneer in dress for success he was the first major league
11:00manager to insist that his players wear suits and ties while traveling joe mccarthy said to me
11:07that it's important when you're a champion to look like one feel like one everybody looks at you
11:14and they say there's a championship team
11:29belichick is probably the smartest coach ever
11:33belichick was a little high on this list back in 2006
11:38walking nfl sideline to break down film and understand tendencies better than anyone i've ever
11:43seen belichick has a great ability to watch an opponent play and decide what's one thing that
11:50team does that makes them comfortable we're going to take that away and bill belichick and his staff
11:54coming up with a brilliant defensive game plan as a defensive coordinator bill belichick acquired the
12:01reputation of chess master but in his first go-round as a head coach in the nfl he bombed in
12:06cleveland
12:07he then regrouped however and grew as he went leading new england to three super bowl titles in four years
12:14bill belichick's done a very very good job at teaching the team what the team needs to do to win
12:21in a game
12:21he never tries to alibi anything that's happened if he has injuries the next guy just lines up and
12:28plays i remember when they played the rams in the super bowl i mean just a dominant performance you saw
12:34his handprints all over that super bowl because of the physical play of his defensive backfield in the
12:39corners he understands how to put guys in position and guys understand how that what where they fit
12:46in the scheme of things that's what separates coach belichick from any of the coaches
13:02dean always knew how to use his best players the best way while still incorporating a team concept
13:10he was very innovative he had what they called four corners and if you were playing against them you
13:17just dreaded that time he originated the idea of the huddle at the foul line acknowledgement of a good pass
13:23by pointing stone traps i can't think of anybody that brought more new ideas to the game than dean
13:31innovator and motivator dean smith retired with more victories 879 than any coach in ncaa basketball
13:37history and he did it all at the same school 36 seats at north carolina with 23 straight ncaa
13:44tournament appearances and two national titles he demonstrated leadership early on he was a catcher
13:50in baseball he was a quarterback in football he's a point guard in basketball so all the various sports
13:56and positions he played he was in control it really bothered me when somebody called we had a system ibm
14:03of
14:04college basketball uh you know we had a way we'd like to play but we would change year to year
14:10with
14:10our personnel i know there are coaches out there that have had a positive impact on our sport i can't
14:18think of one that has done it any better with any more grace or class than him he cared about
14:24the game
14:24and he made it better welcome back to who's number one look selecting the greatest coaches of all time was
14:31brutal just consider some that didn't make the cut how about george halis nfl founding father and winner
14:37of six championships or toe blake with h stanley cups in montreal pittsburgh's chuck knoll the first
14:44to win four super bowls eddie robinson the first college football coach to record 400 wins and the
14:49traveling man larry brown first win an ncaa and nba title so who's left well that's what we do let's
14:57get
14:57back to our countdown let's go duke
15:09perception and image they say is everything now not in my mind in my mind truth and reality is
15:15everything behind closed doors and once you're in the locker room he's you know a little more like
15:21bobby nate he does more to instill belief in his team than any coach i've ever been around
15:26it's typical of what he is he never really loses it when he has to he knows exactly the right
15:34buttons to
15:35push mike szaszewski won 73 games in five seasons at army which was enough to convince duke officials he
15:42was their guy there were doubters after back-to-back 17 lost seasons early on but coach k has since
15:48transformed the blue devils into a perennial powerhouse with three national championships
15:54people reduce the game to x's and o's and it's not x's and o's or positions it's people and so
16:01before
16:02you diagram a play or give them a situation you got to know who they are as people at that
16:09moment
16:09and then try to put them in a position which will make them successful we want you to be a
16:15player every
16:15time you catch the ball he's built a program step by step from when he started out and he's created
16:23a
16:23culture where players dream of coming to play for coach k and to play with dude
16:38i define stengel as the greatest man manager in my years in baseball for this reason he understood
16:44his players he knew more about you within one week than you knew about yourself he really invented the
16:49modern platoons in the 40s and 50s you never heard about rolls but he understood he had relief pictures
16:57he had players that blended with others he had guys that could come off the bench he really saw
17:05where the game was going in his first two major league managerial stops with the brooklyn dodgers and
17:10boston braves casey stengel was 165 games under but in 1949 the yankees hired him and there followed 10
17:18american league pennants seven world series and an engaging malaprop spouting legend
17:24i think he was a master at dealing with the media only because if he didn't want to tell
17:29him anything he could go into that double talk and and they didn't know what he was talking about
17:33stengel is a language based on english but understandable only to those who played
17:37who understood baseball the youth of america always meant rookies the men in blue were umpires
17:43that fella over there was always mickey mantle
17:46i don't believe our game will ever again never see another one like it casey loved the game
17:55and he loved the people and that's why to me when we talk about the guys there's only one to
18:03really
18:03talk about and that's casey stengel
18:15he started with guys who knew which way to the map but he didn't start all the time with great
18:19wrestlers he made him that way if you wrestle for dan gable i think you're afraid not to give it
18:24your
18:25all he was his into it uh as if he as if he was still training to go to the
18:33olympics as if he'd never
18:34won an ncaa championship every workout was trying to see how much more tired he can get
18:39his athletes in order to break people it has to be some degree of physical torture okay let's turn
18:45it around buddy let's get up we're gonna get back on the winning track here a little bit okay come
18:48on
18:48come on let's go driven by a boiling intensity dan gable made himself into america's greatest amateur
18:56wrestler and then he turned to coaching and in 21 years at iowa led the hawkeyes to 15 national
19:01championships including nine straight from 1978 to 1986. he was the pied piper of the mac guys grew
19:10up wanting to go there just because you know he set the standard in the sport there was a pretty
19:14high
19:14standard there and the only way to leave there was to be a national champ i get the people to
19:20uh
19:20believe in what i'm saying respect me i probably get more people to work harder than the other person
19:28and there's always something to be gained there's always something to be learned or something to be just
19:31push the national championship he's a little low
19:47phil believes in doing it a different way first of all he believes in communication with his players
19:52differently than most of us he has a very good understanding of how to gain your attention
19:57how to bond a group together and bring its mind and everything together as one phil jackson speaks
20:06of ancient tribal mysticism and you swear you can hear the drums and smell the campfire smoke
20:11and none of that should have anything football but he makes it seem so
20:18the beating of the drum replaces the heartbeat
20:22the beat we try to talk about a beat there's sort of a a tribal essence that you're trying to
20:29get
20:29accomplished with a team trying to get everybody kind of uniting at the same beat the same rhythm
20:35the same mood one of the sayings he had was you know the power of we is greater than the
20:39power of me
20:41um you know those are things that all of us bought into he wants you to understand yourself first and
20:48then you have to go and try to prove it to him that you know you know the game of
20:52basketball or you
20:53know how to be a professional uh a man employing the triangle offense devised by assistant coach
20:59tech's winner jackson coached the bulls and lakers to nine nba titles and though he appears the placid
21:05zen master inside he burns for more success people will look back when his career
21:12even done when this came out there is over and say he did it with a very unique style
21:19others will say hey he had the players but you still have to deliver
21:25phil wants to be remembered as the basketball genius that he is the zen master that he is
21:32and he also wants to be remembered for breaking red albert's record of many championships
21:52the ability to pull people together
21:56unify them sell them on a single mission and go do it nobody was better at it in my opinion
22:06than paul william bryant he believed that players played best when they were driven to the edge as a
22:15result his practices were virtual death camps to me he was like god i mean he was a handsome tough
22:24good-looking man and when he spoke you listened for 38 seasons at maryland kentucky texas a and m
22:33and especially at alabama paul william bryant left a footprint on college football as big as
22:39well as big as a bear paw he observed practice from atop a tall tower the eagle on his perch
22:46there was something about the tower that said he's looking at us and we've got to do it right
22:53coach and play he came down one day i missed the block grabbed me by the nose guard and
22:58threw me to the ground to symbolize that he could take the biggest guy there down between 1961 and 1979
23:05bryant's bama teams won five ap national championships he integrated the program in 1971
23:11just as he was switching to the wishbone offense when he retired in 1982 his 323 wins were a division
23:191a record coach bryant look you in the eye i don't care who you were and connect he understood how
23:28a
23:28man felt he understood what was inside of guys even though bear bryant appeared to be calloused and tough
23:34and brutal as the people he coached he gave them a gift he was forever giving them a gift and
23:43i think
23:43that bear bryant had a tremendous soul in that regard
23:55rockney is not only the greatest coach of the 20th century in college football
23:59he's the most important individual of the 20th century in college football go go go let's fight
24:05fight fight fight during that period of the 20s there were three very distinctive voices in america
24:14that people heard over the radio my grandfathers will rogers and babe bruce usually that voice was
24:21explaining another notre dame victory newt rockney created a football superpower in south bend in his 13
24:28seasons the irish lost only a dozen times and his 881 winning percentage remains the best in division
24:341a history he truly was a genius in what he did he had a knack of identifying talent he had
24:40a knack of
24:41developing that talent of motivating that talent and then he had a real knack for strategy and
24:48identifying how to beat teams uh quick and agile at a time when football was a pretty slow paced game
24:54he also was an initiator of various new things in football he was he for instance brought about
25:01the famous notre dame shift one two three shift was that shift the fabled four horsemen rode to the
25:09first of rockney's three titles in 1924 seven years later at the 43 he perished in a plane crash
25:16was broadcast all america by cba went by shortwave to europe to asia to south america so the demand
25:24literally touched all of this country and really beyond
25:38what made scotty bowman such a great coach is the number of stanley cups that he won
25:46when you look at it all he's probably the most successful coach in any sport
25:51bowman on the bench saw things clearly saw them whole he saw them before anybody else did see
26:00there's an important thing on that shot it was along the ice it hit the backboards and
26:04came out in front and ralph was well right in front of that where he should be
26:09he had a commanding presence behind the bench the imposing look of a bulldog and it seemed to inspire
26:15those who skated for him when scotty bowman retired in 2002 after 30 years in the nhl his teams won
26:22nine
26:22stanley cups more than any other coach if you look at the teams that won from montreal was an exciting
26:29team to watch and being in pittsburgh and watching mario the way they played were exciting so going to
26:35detroit with guys like stevie eisenman they were fun to watch so not only did he win but he captured
26:41the
26:41imagination of the fans and he made it exciting for them the times changed and bowman changed
26:47with he won stanley cups in three different decades with three different franchises he posted the most
26:53regular season and postseason victories in history partly by the way he handled his players he keeps his
26:59players off guard and guessing they never second guess what he does because they never know what he's
27:04going to do but he probably got the best out of me because he knew how to push the right
27:11buttons
27:12people who played for him sometimes couldn't stand him but at the end of the year they were holding
27:17the stanley cup mainly because of scotty he worked as hard as any of his players and all he asked
27:22me
27:22turning you do the same thing if you're going to go to war i think scotty bowman's the type of
27:27man you
27:27want to go to war with power back was a bad winner the cigar just irritated the opposition he'd light
27:45it
27:45up when he felt the game was clinched he was just a greatest psychologist uh that i've ever met in
27:52sports
27:53any sport he'll walk over to jojo white joe just so bright outside boy that's some of yours getting
28:00big he's getting great jojo be happy he'll walk over to dave cowards and give him a cigar
28:07dave is happy he'll walk over to paul sallis paul sallis paul sallis paul sallis happy
28:18in 16 years on the boston bench arnold red our back lit up enough victory smokes to pollute a small
28:24city his celtics won nine nba titles including eight in a row from 1959 to 1966 and he acquired
28:32the reputation of master innovator he was a realist he knew how to win with the least amount of wasted
28:41motion which was put your best five people out there attack them defensively and then in terms
28:50of your own offense just run it down their throat our back dreamed up the sixth man made frank ramsey
28:55the sixth man nobody had ever thought about that before it became such an effective tool for getting
29:02that guy to get the feeling that he was appreciated not a destructive force a very important character
29:08at the 1950 draft our back changed the color of the nba by dropping this bombshell i was there in
29:15boston
29:16and when they drafted uh when red got up and said charles cooper of duquesne you could hear a pin
29:22drop
29:24there was a gentleman's agreement in professional basketball that there would never be more blacks on the
29:33court than whites but red he's not looking for racial balance he didn't agree to that gentleman's agreement
29:44it was talk of the town can you believe it red starting five brothers
29:52in his 20 years as an nba coach our back was the first to win a thousand games including the
29:57postseason
29:57although only 48
30:01he might have called them ends but you had one line to an n now it's a w
30:11six to concentrate on his general manager duties in the 30 year span beginning in 1957 the celtics won 16
30:18championships what really made the celtics work is the same thing that made ucla work and that's the
30:25leadership at the top at ucla it was john wooden boston celtics it was red auerbach
30:42football was energy and discipline and pain and severe cold weather vince lombardi seemed to
30:51embody the football ethic just hit just run just block and just tackle
30:58it he wanted to win more than anything in the world he enjoyed it he had a great ego for
31:02winning
31:02everything that you had everything that you want you're going to be small in the passage of
31:08once i went to a clinic up in reno and he was a speaker and i was a junior college
31:16coach at the time
31:17and vince lombardi spoke on one play the green bay sweep for eight hours
31:25in 1959 the struggling green bay packers met their new head coach
31:28former new york giants assistant brooklyn born vince lombardi they would hear his voice in their
31:33sleep always the same message
31:40he says i have never been a loser and i'm not about to start now
31:45and if you're not willing to pay the price make the sacrifice do the things you have to do to
31:50win
31:50the hell out i ran downstairs and called my wife back in alabama and all i said to her was
31:58honey
31:58we're going to be
32:01because he was the master psychologist of all coaches that that i know of
32:10and you know which ones to praise and when to praise them his packers used to say of their coach
32:18he treats us all the same like dogs but they dominated the nfl in the 1960s winning nine of
32:24ten playoff games and five titles including the first two super bowls his effect on his players
32:29linger still and he was able to take people everybody and motivate those same people all the time
32:42did not play better for coach lombardi than they would have played for any other coach alive
32:48i think if every ball player is honest with themselves
32:53there isn't one day or one month goes by
32:58that you don't need to think about him one way or the other good or bad but you think about
33:04him
33:07welcome back
33:15so who's your pick for number one here's ours the greatest coach ever
33:31the best coaching record uh in the history of basketball 10 national championships in 12 years
33:3888 game winning streak 38 in a row in the tournament he won his first championship with guards as his
33:46main players and then he won with centers and then he won with forwards he never scouted other team he
33:54was more and uh more concerned about his what his team was going to do when they were playing my
34:01own idea
34:02of success came about as uh because of my dad trying to teach me and my brothers on the farm
34:08that never
34:09tried to be better than someone else learn from others and never cease trying to be the best you can
34:15be
34:16long before the army adopted that slogan wooden was urging his players to be all that they could be
34:21the wizard of westwood based his teachings on what he called the pyramid of success
34:26it was geometry at its best four times his bruins were perfect 30 you know national champions
34:37i carry around coach wooden's pyramid of success in my wallet all the human values all the personal
34:43characteristics that he preached to us that we would need in our life to be eventually successful
34:48that's what the pyramid is all about for him it was not necessarily uh wins and losses but how he
34:55affected young men's lives winning and losing was not talked about during the year there may be a
35:00halftime speech that revolved around the vocabulary word enthusiasm or industriousness
35:07because when he was almost together i mean how many players did he make all time great college
35:13players did he make nba players
35:18a bunch of them off the top of my head
35:22the first day of practice he literally showed you gentlemen this is how we put our socks on you
35:28know we make sure there's no wrinkles because
35:34the second where we were supposed to be on the court and what he wanted to do instructionally
35:43wooden's teams compiled 664 wins with an 804 winning percentage while he had the prim and proper
35:49manner of the school teacher beneath that soft shell facade lay a coiled steel spring the wizard had a
35:55passion and a rage that belied his composed appearance john wooden rode players and coaches
36:02like leo derosha in baseball he was vicious he could make the player cry with the things he said and
36:10he
36:10never swore he has the image of the parson but he had that rolled up program and he would talk
36:18to the
36:18opposing players through that rolled up program there's a guy from duke uh bob verga uh who was an
36:25all-american and as soon as verga would come close to him he said he's gonna eat you up tonight
36:31you haven't seen anybody as quick as he said i can't wait to get him on you bob verga's going
36:36he said is that coach wooden talking to me john wooden's on another cloud everybody else is looking
36:44up and he's like some rain god he's just raining down on them but he's the best
36:54so all that's left now is to submit espn classics rankings to our second guessers two of espn radio's
37:00finest co-host of game night doug gottlieb and the host of the sports bash eric casilius don't bash us
37:08all right i'm looking at the list and i think they got the top four right if i was making
37:13a mount
37:13rushmore of coaches wooden lombardi red our back and scotty bowman i don't have a big problem with
37:18that so where are you going to kick us off and say that you've got an issue actually i have
37:21an issue
37:21with our back because because i think we overvalue our back considering who he had all the hall of
37:26famers he had in his team and if you look at when bill was in college at san francisco they
37:32won 55
37:33consecutive games two back-to-back national titles and then after red our back retired they continue to
37:38win nba titles with bill russell as the head coach the fact was they had the most dominant most
37:42competitive defensive player and team leader in the nba but he's surrounded by hall of famers he's
37:47beating wilt chamberlain he's beating jerry west he's beating all three of those guys at the same
37:52time it's not like red our back was marching to the finals a la phil jackson beating patrick ewing
37:58and a bunch of guys who are out bagging groceries right now wait i guess the problem is that i
38:02know
38:02in your voice and i know you that you don't like phil jackson and the fact is that phil jackson
38:06won all
38:07these titles okay because he can control egos but forget you forget that phil jackson won two cba
38:12titles you want to talk about coaching you may be right and i can't argue about cba titles i can
38:16say this about phil jackson though when your mantra as a head coach is basically i'm the forrest
38:21gump of head coaches right place right time and i can win if you give me two of the three
38:27best
38:28players in the nba at the same time i don't know if that gets you onto the top 10
38:33that i've ever walked the sideline one of the problems i have is when i look at the list
38:38he won nine times joe paterno's on the list and bobby bowden's not on the list and to me you
38:44either
38:44gotta have both guys on or both guys off i mean bobby bowden has more wins it's pretty close
38:49i mean they kind of battle back and forth same amount of national championships there's contemporaries
38:55same school forever kind of the same thing if you blindfolded the stats and didn't show the school you
39:01could almost get confused as to who was where i think that even if i had to pick one i'd
39:06probably
39:06pick bowden so i don't like the fact that paterno's on and bowden's off i i don't see a problem
39:11with
39:11that i mean i think think of how many national championships bowden lost because the field goal
39:14kicker now maybe that's maybe that's his own fault because he didn't recruit go recruit the best
39:18field goal kicker there was and paterno has five undefeated seasons so but for the way they vote in
39:23college football he could have more than two also no yeah i don't have a problem with marriage you
39:27know putting those guys and say hey one's there the other's there as well because they've had a
39:31profound impact here's my absolute biggest problem on the list okay and i know i'm going to aggravate
39:37every dolphin fan in america but don shula on this list to me is a travesty this guy didn't win
39:59a title
40:00in the last 20 years that he coached he has a 19 and 17 playoff record and had arguably the
40:08greatest
40:08quarterback ever and couldn't get him a running game or a defense for more than a decade to get
40:13this team over the hump he also lost the biggest most important game in nfl history super bowl three
40:20you know who joe nameth got you know goes off the finger and does the wave yeah you know he
40:23beat that
40:24game he beat don shula in that game to me to have don shula on this list simply because he
40:29amasses a
40:30lot of wins would be akin to putting lenny wilkins on the list because he has a lot of wins
40:34i would
40:35i would disagree with that way don shula was a great coach when he was with the colts he was
40:38a great coach when he was with the miami dolphins and lest we forget who was the last team to
40:42go
40:42undefeated in the national football league it's the miami dolphins give me george halis on the list
40:47six titles to the two that shula has plus he's been a pioneer and the wins are pretty close if
40:54you're
40:54gonna go with those guys give me george halis on the list who has better stats better numbers and more
40:59titles than don shula who was basically a guy who didn't win the last 20 years of his career well
41:04i would also if bill walsh is going to be on this list then bill parcells has to be on
41:08this list because
41:08bill walsh is on this list because of his influence well how about how about bill parcells influence i'm
41:14surprised larry brown i thought he's the pound for pound best coach in the nba he doesn't make the
41:18list very very surprising i won't put larry brown on but i will put these 20 guys on we go
41:25back now to
41:26trey wingo now that the second guessers have had their say it's time to see how you the fan voted
41:32on sports nation on espn.com for the greatest coaches of all time number five red auerbach
41:38number four vince lombardi number three dan gable number two john wooden number one pat summer
41:47so that's it for this edition of espn classics who's number one
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