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00:11Good evening from Southern California and welcome to our viewers in the United States
00:15and around the world. We're live from the campus of East Los Angeles College and this
00:21is the CNN California Governor Primary Debate. I'm Caitlin Collins
00:25and I'm Alex Michaelson. Tonight you'll hear from seven candidates seeking to lead the
00:48The candidates are former Los Angeles Mayor, Democrat Antonio Villarregosa.
00:58Former Congresswoman Democrat Katie Porter, businessman Democrat Tom Steyer, businessman
01:06and former television host Republican Steve Hilton, Riverside County Sheriff Republican
01:12Chad Bianco, former Health and Human Services Secretary Democrat Javier Becerra, and the
01:18mayor of San Jose Democrat Matt Mayhem.
01:23Candidates, we're about to begin, but first a review of the ground rules that your campaigns
01:27agreed to in advance.
01:29Our goal is to facilitate a fair and productive debate.
01:34Each of you will receive one minute to answer questions, 30 seconds for responses and rebuttals,
01:39and 15 additional seconds if one of us moderators asks you for a clarification.
01:45The timing lights in front of you will remind you of these limits.
01:48Please respect them and the other candidates on the stage during their allotted time.
01:55Let's get right to it.
01:56California, as you all know, has long been a symbol of the American dream.
02:01But right now, many Californians are struggling to make ends meet.
02:04The state now has the highest unemployment rate in the nation.
02:07And according to analysis from our partner, USA Facts, it is one of only five states that
02:12lost population between 2024 and 2025.
02:17Secretary Becerra, given everything that I just laid out there, why did Democrats deserve
02:22another four years in charge?
02:25Kaelin, because Democrats are the ones that aspire to include everyone and not leave anyone
02:30behind.
02:30Like my parents, who came with $12 in their pocket to California, and they lived the California
02:35dream.
02:36My three sisters and I, we got to live the California dream.
02:39I have a plan for every single one of those.
02:42The difference between me and everybody else is I'm willing to take on the corporate special
02:46interests.
02:46I'm willing to push for single payer.
02:49I'm willing to take on the electric monopolies.
02:52They're spending big against me, and that proves it.
02:55I'm the change agent, and I'm the progressive.
02:57Mayor Mahan, what's your response?
02:59Well, Kaelin, we deserve better.
03:01I'm the only Democrat in this race who has challenged the establishment within my own party to demand
03:07better results.
03:08I've made San Jose the safest big city in the country, unblocked thousands of homes that
03:12are now under construction, led our city to reduce homelessness faster than any other
03:16city.
03:17We don't need MAGA values, but we also don't need more of the same.
03:20There's a lot of talk on this stage, but we should be honest.
03:23The experience we hear from Secretary Becerra didn't lead to better outcomes.
03:28It led to 85,000 migrant children who were lost, more fraud in our health care system.
03:33Tom Steyer's making a lot of false promises up here, things that the legislature already
03:38rejected because we don't know how to pay for them.
03:40We need pragmatic, results-oriented leadership.
03:43I know what's at stake.
03:45I grew up in a working-class family.
03:46We were paycheck to paycheck growing up.
03:49I will fight every day to make life better for working Californians.
03:52Mr. Steyer, do you want to respond to that?
03:54I absolutely do.
03:56I will, on the first day, call a special election to close a corporate real estate tax
04:02loophole that's worth over $20 billion.
04:04It's convenient to close it after you've profited from it.
04:06The truth is that the California government needs more money because Donald Trump is kicking
04:14one to three million people off Medi-Cal, and our school system needs more money to support
04:20teachers and students, and I'm the only person on this stage that will go after corporations
04:25and raise the revenue we need to have a system that actually works for California.
04:30So raising taxes will make us more affordable.
04:31Mr. Hilton, can I get you to weigh in on this prospect as voters are facing this as they
04:36go and they're getting their ballots now?
04:38So, Caitlin and Alex, it's interesting.
04:39We've already seen a couple of things that we'll probably see a lot of in this debate, which
04:43is the Democrats who are here who've been responsible for 16 years of one-party rule for everything
04:49that we see in California, won't take responsibility, and all they can talk about is Trump.
04:55Look, I was asked how I'm preparing for this debate the other day, and my answer was the meetings,
05:01the thousands of people that have come to our events the last year in California, I've travelled
05:05to every part of the state.
05:06I've seen the struggle and the stories, and that is my struggle and my stories.
05:12My parents were immigrants.
05:13The California dream is my dream, and I want that for every single one of you watching
05:18out there.
05:19We can get it back.
05:20You heard Mayor Mahan invoke MAGA values in his answer there.
05:24There are more than two-thirds of registered voters in this state who disapprove of President
05:28Trump's job performance.
05:31Why should voters who are unhappy with the performance of the president vote for the candidate that he's
05:37endorsed in this race?
05:38So they should vote for the candidate who's got a concrete plan to make our state Cal affordable.
05:44$3 gas.
05:45Cut your electric bills in half.
05:46Your first hundred grand tax-free.
05:49A home you can afford to buy.
05:51It's common sense, practical things.
05:53Most of my career has been in business.
05:54I know how to get things done, and we need to change.
05:57We need some fresh thinking after 16 years of one-party rule from these Democrats that
06:03have given us the highest poverty rate, as you mentioned, the highest unemployment rate,
06:07and the highest cost of living in the country.
06:09Mr Hilton...
06:09Secretary Becerra, go ahead.
06:11Mr Hilton, how can you say that Democrats have it wrong when you can't admit that Donald Trump,
06:19the last 2020 election?
06:21The fact is, all you do is point at Democrats, scream at Democrats...
06:24Well, you have been in charge for 16 years, Antonio.
06:26...and don't have anything else to say.
06:28And I want to chime in on what Matt Mahan said.
06:31He's not the only Democrat that's challenged his party.
06:34I have as well, and I have for a long time.
06:37Alex, you said a few months ago that I've been talking about affordability for years.
06:43I've been challenging my party for years because it's been Democrats that brought us here.
06:49But I can also challenge Donald Trump and say very clearly that he lost the election in 2020.
06:56You can't, Mr Hilton.
06:57Thank you, Mayor Villagorosa.
06:58Mr Hilton, I want to give you a chance to respond to that.
07:00And I'll get a chance to respond to Mr Mahan's attack as well.
07:04Mr Hilton, go ahead.
07:05It's not Donald Trump who's given us gas prices $2 higher than the rest of the country.
07:10It's Democrat policies, which Antonio and all the Democrats here support.
07:14It's not Donald Trump that's given us the highest housing costs in the country.
07:18It's Democrat policies that all these Democrats support.
07:21Donald Trump is the president in all the other states of America where the cost of living
07:26is way lower than in California.
07:28Obviously, it is way past time for changing California.
07:33And endlessly going on about Donald Trump doesn't serve the needs of the struggling families
07:38and small businesses.
07:39Can you say whether or not he won the election?
07:41Secretary Becerra, go ahead.
07:43So Mr Mahan chose to divert from answering the question about affordability to launch a tax.
07:47What I would simply say to him is, let's focus on who's raising the cost of living in California
07:52the most.
07:53And that's Donald Trump.
07:54The price of gas has gone up $1 to $2 because of Donald Trump and his war in Iran.
07:58The price of goods, groceries, have gone up in California because of Donald Trump's illegal
08:03tariffs.
08:03You see, all they can say is not true.
08:05That's just not true.
08:07We've had the highest gas prices, on average, over $2 than the rest of the nation for a
08:13very long time.
08:14And Trump's made it worse for sure.
08:16Poise.
08:16Poise.
08:16But it's not.
08:17Poise.
08:18Poise.
08:18Enough with the bickering.
08:19I'll get right back to you.
08:20But Congressman Porter, I mean, to this question in and of itself, you're a Democrat who served
08:25in Washington.
08:25What's your response?
08:27Look, California does need to make changes.
08:29The world is changing around us.
08:31We are seeing AI come and present real challenges with jobs.
08:35The pace of climate change is real.
08:37We have an unreliable federal partner who's made clear that California is going to be,
08:42is going to attack California.
08:44Donald Trump has not made any bones about that.
08:46This is a real opportunity for California to set its eyes on the future.
08:51We do need to make change in California.
08:53And it is ridiculous for Mr. Steyer to claim that he's the only candidate that has taken
08:59on corporations, when I will tell you there are a lot of CEOs who've been whiteboarded
09:04who would beg to differ.
09:05Thank you, Congressman.
09:05Can I respond to that?
09:06Sheriff Bianco, we haven't heard from you.
09:07Let me get your response.
09:08Well, thank you.
09:09I just want to actually answer your question, was why do Democrats deserve it?
09:13You just listened to probably 10, 15 minutes of why they don't.
09:17We are going to get nothing but the same from them.
09:20They brought us here.
09:21Every single one of these career politicians brought us to the point where we are here today.
09:26They do not deserve another chance.
09:28They have broken us with endless regulations that have destroyed California, destroyed our
09:32businesses, destroyed the cost of gas.
09:34We need an unbelievable change to get back.
09:38And unfortunately for all of them, I'm the only one on this stage that has spent a career
09:42making California lives better.
09:44We're going to talk about the economy now.
09:45We'll get you in in a moment, Mr. Steyer.
09:47But we're going to go to you, Mr. Mahan, with this question.
09:49And the issue of affordability, as we know right now, gas prices across the country are
09:54skyrocketing, doing part to the Iran war.
09:57The highest prices right here in California.
09:59Mayor Mahan, it costs $6 right now or more to fill up your buy a gallon of gas in the
10:06state.
10:06Your opponent, Mr. Hilton, is promising to bring that price down to $3 a gallon in his first year in
10:11office.
10:12Is that realistic?
10:13No, it obviously isn't.
10:15Look, I grew up in a farming town.
10:17I know what it means when the cost of gas goes up a dollar.
10:21People start actually having to make really tough trade-offs.
10:23Can you pay the rent?
10:24Can you put food on the table?
10:26I'm the only candidate in this race who has called for a suspension of the gas tax because
10:31it disproportionately harms working families.
10:36We need to reform this tax and make sure EV owners and higher income earners are paying
10:41their fair share.
10:43But the truth is, Javier Becerra is misleading when he blames all of our cost issues on Donald Trump.
10:50I've fought against Trump.
10:51We've sued the Trump administration.
10:52We've blocked his cruel immigration enforcement tactics.
10:56But California's problems have been long running.
10:59We don't need more career politicians supported by the insiders in Sacramento.
11:03The truth is, we had the highest housing costs, highest energy costs, some of the highest
11:08unemployment and poverty rates in the country for years, long before Donald Trump ran for
11:14president.
11:14We need more pragmatic policies, removing regulations that are in the way, reducing...
11:20Mr. Hilton to you and then Secretary Becerra.
11:22Mr. Hilton.
11:23So Matt says that it's obviously impossible to get to $3 gas, as I have laid out in my plan.
11:29Before the Iran war, there were 40 states in America with $3 gas or lower, most of which
11:36don't have the abundant oil reserves that we have in California.
11:40But because of the policies supported by Matt and all these Democrats, we are now shipping oil
11:46halfway around the world, 7,500 miles from places like Iraq, instead of opening up California oil and
11:53gas production, so we can reduce costs and get $3 gas in California, which is my plan.
11:59Mr. Secretary Becerra.
11:59You know why we have those higher standards is because in places like Los Angeles, where we are
12:03today, it used to be that you couldn't breathe.
12:06Kids would have higher asthma rates.
12:08We have those higher standards for a reason.
12:10We can bring down costs over time, but it's totally...
12:12Mr. It's all technology that's delivered that way, as you know.
12:14Mr. ...totally unrealistic that you're going to have $3 gas in a year.
12:16You're lying.
12:17Mr. Secretary...
12:17Only in a Democrat state.
12:18Secretary Becerra.
12:20Well, I'm fascinated to see people argue that we should get rid of the funding for the roads,
12:25so we can take care of potholes, the highways, so we can make sure that we don't have massive
12:30congestion or our transit systems, by getting rid of the one way we fund those systems the
12:36most, the gas tax.
12:37If we were to get rid of the Trump gas tax, we would be able to save ourselves about one
12:44to two dollars, at least, just in the Trump gas tax as a result of his war in Iran.
12:48Let's start focusing where the real problem is.
12:51And yes, I'm going to repeat Donald Trump as often as I have to, because he's the real
12:54menace we have in California.
12:56Mr. You've got nothing else to say or your perspective.
12:58So let me say this.
13:00This war in Iran has driven up the gas by at least $1.50.
13:04And the truth is, we should be taxing the oil companies because they are getting a windfall profit
13:10as a result of the war that the president, that they put into office, started for no apparent reason.
13:16We should be taxing that money.
13:18We should send it directly to California's pockets, not to the government of California.
13:23And let me say this.
13:24Being in bed with oil companies is a mistake.
13:27Javier Becerra has taken the max amount of money from Chevron, and he has said there are
13:32good guys that we need.
13:34The truth of the matter is, the oil companies are ripping us off at the pump, they're polluting
13:39our air, and they're burning up the planet.
13:41Thank you, Secretary Becerra, your response.
13:43Yeah, it's a rich response from a guy who made his billions investing in fossil fuels,
13:48in oil companies, in coal companies.
13:50Now he makes the billions, and he has spent more than every other candidate combined in
13:55his campaign using those profits to now try to buy his seat in the governor's office.
14:00Tom, the last thing we need is someone who makes riches from investing in oil companies,
14:05and then accuses everyone else of doing the wrong things.
14:07Can I restart?
14:08Look, I walked away from my company 14 years ago so I could give back to California.
14:13I am the person on this stage who is fighting the oil companies.
14:16And the way that you know is, they're spending millions of dollars to prevent me from getting
14:21elected.
14:22Well, why not give back your billions of dollars that you raised that you made in profits?
14:25That I will make polluters pay.
14:27The truth of the matter is, every environmentalist in this state has endorsed me.
14:33All right, let's...
14:33And the people who are opposing me, you can just follow the money.
14:36The oil companies, the electric monopolies are spending tens of millions of dollars against
14:41me.
14:41The environmentalists are to a person supporting me.
14:44That's what's going on in this election.
14:46Let's talk about the proposed billionaire tax.
14:48Just last week, a one-time 5% tax on the assets of billionaires cleared a critical hurdle
14:54to make the ballot in November, setting up a clash over what could be the nation's first
14:59wealth tax.
15:00Congresswoman Porter, Mr. Steyer, as we just referenced, is the only billionaire on the stage.
15:06He supports this tax.
15:08You do not.
15:09Why not?
15:09Because I support good ideas, not things that help me dodge political potholes due to my own
15:16background.
15:17This billionaire's tax is simply not good tax policy.
15:21And anybody who has watched me in Congress take on bank CEOs, take on pharma CEOs, challenge
15:28them for the fact that their workers can't make ends meet while they're packing $26 million a year,
15:33worker, knows that I will speak truth to power.
15:36And here is the truth.
15:37This tax isn't going to fundamentally change California's economy in the way that young
15:44people and the working people of California need.
15:46It's a one-time tax, but we don't have one-time revenue needs.
15:52It taxes billionaires, as if half billionaires don't have two nickels to rub together and
15:58couldn't chip in a little bit more.
16:00And 90% of the money is dedicated to only one thing, when we have all kinds of revenue problems
16:06coming at us from our own decisions and Donald Trump.
16:09So, yes, to a progressive tax code.
16:13Yes, to the wealthy paying more.
16:15But this tax is about cheap political points.
16:19It is not about really fundamentally changing California's economy for the better.
16:23That's going to take real political courage.
16:25Mr. Steyer, just about cheap political points, your response?
16:28No.
16:28I have said that billionaires like me should pay more taxes and the big corporations should pay
16:34more taxes.
16:35Excuse me, you literally said...
16:36And that's why if this proposition is on the ballot in November,
16:39I'll vote for it.
16:40But going forward, we do need to go further.
16:43This is a one-time tax.
16:44And it also doesn't spread the money across the government the way everything else does.
16:51And specifically, it doesn't go to education and teachers and students,
16:56which is a critical need in the state of California.
16:58The tax I'm proposing to close a corporate real estate tax loophole is more money,
17:03and it's spread through...
17:04I have not...
17:04I have not got...
17:05I have not got...
17:06Congresswoman.
17:07Congresswoman.
17:08I'm confused.
17:09Do you support the billionaire's tax that is going to be on the ballot in November,
17:15yes or no?
17:16Katie, I just said I will vote for it if it's on the ballot in November.
17:22So...
17:23And so what I've said is...
17:24But you just said it wasn't a good idea.
17:26...it doesn't go far enough that, in fact, it is a one-time tax,
17:30and it also doesn't spread the money throughout the government.
17:33Look, let me weigh in.
17:34We have an education...
17:35I'm the only candidate that actually balanced to budget.
17:38We're going to bring Sheriff Bianco in first, and then we'll get to you, Mr. Mayor. Sheriff Bianco.
17:41Thank you.
17:42So these Democrat policies of tax everybody to death and make them leave is how we started this program off
17:49to begin with.
17:53I agree with Katie that this is a horrific tax bill, but she is wrong on one thing.
17:59This is not a billionaire tax bill.
18:01You just have to read it and read what it is.
18:03I have spent my career suffering the consequences of their decisions and their policy that they love talking about.
18:11I am the one that deals with it.
18:13And this, the 140,000 people that are paying 50% of the taxes are going to leave,
18:18and then the wording of that bill makes the middle class and the lower middle class make up all those
18:24taxes.
18:24Thank you, sir.
18:24The next question goes to you, Mr. Mayor, Mayor Virugosa.
18:27In the last seven years, Fortune 500 companies such as Oracle, Chevron, Charles Schwab, Palantir have all moved their headquarters
18:35out of California.
18:37Mayor Virugosa, your opponent, Congresswoman Porter here, wants to raise taxes on the most profitable corporations.
18:43Would her plan lead to more businesses leaving the state?
18:46Yes.
18:47But let me just say, I'm the only candidate on this stage that's actually balanced two state budgets with a
18:55surplus and a tax cut.
18:57And I can tell you this, we over rely on the upper income tax.
19:01That's why you have feast and famine virtually every year.
19:04So the problem with the billionaire tax, it's a one time tax, it's flawed.
19:10If I believe that people that make that kind of money ought to pay more.
19:15In fact, when I'm governor, people like Tom who want to pay more will be able to do that.
19:21But at the end of the day, the federal government should do it because people are leaving.
19:25And they've been leaving because of the threat of this tax.
19:28Just as businesses have been leaving because of the high tax state that we are.
19:35Congresswoman Porter, your response in terms of your tax plan.
19:38Yeah.
19:38Look, I think all taxes should be progressive.
19:41And I think that is a core principle.
19:43And families get this.
19:44When they get a bonus, when they earn a little more, they trip up into a different tax bracket.
19:49And they have to pay more.
19:50That's all I'm suggesting we do for corporations.
19:53And by the way, not only would that say to the corporation that has a banner year and makes
19:57a billion dollars, you pay not the same rate.
20:01Maybe you pay a tiny bit higher rate so that we can provide tax relief for families earning
20:06less than $100,000.
20:09Mayor Mahan, your thoughts in terms of taxing businesses.
20:11Yeah.
20:12Look, where I differ with my Democratic colleagues is they're all talking about how to raise revenue,
20:18make government bigger.
20:20You know, Secretary Becerra always brags about how big the trillion dollar budgets
20:24were that he managed.
20:25I'm interested in making government better.
20:27The answer isn't always bigger.
20:29In San Jose, without raising taxes, with a balanced budget, we got thousands of homes
20:35under construction.
20:36We moved thousands of people indoors and led the state in reducing homelessness.
20:40We made our city the safest big city in the country, reduced gun violence by 71%.
20:46Californians are tired of the more of the same policies.
20:50We also, we also, I think it's disqualifying that we have Republican candidates who are embracing
20:54Donald Trump's cruel and ineffective policies.
20:57Let's go, Mr. Hilton, to you, and then we'll get Secretary Becerra in for his response.
21:01Mr. Hilton, disqualifying is what Mayor Mahan said.
21:03It is.
21:04There's a very simple truth, which everyone in California knows, which is that taxes are too high,
21:10and we need taxes to be lower.
21:11And they're especially too high for working people in California.
21:15You've got people on 70, 80, 90 grand in California, which doesn't get you very far,
21:20who are paying 9.3% state income tax.
21:22That is higher than the top rate in most other states.
21:25That's why my plan eliminates state income tax under 100 grand.
21:28And by the way, if you think that it can't get worse in California, I've got two words for you.
21:33Tom Steyer.
21:35Under Tom Steyer, the taxes will be higher.
21:38Gas prices will be higher.
21:39Everything will be higher with Steyer.
21:42Okay, we'll go to Steyer, then we'll go back to Becerra, Mr. Steyer.
21:45I do think it's rich to hear someone talk about $3 gas, who is owned by Donald Trump,
21:51who has driven up the gas price by at least $1.50.
21:54And I do think it's rich for somebody who is supporting a president who's kicking one to
22:00three million people off Medi-Cal, the poorest people, most vulnerable people in California,
22:07so that he can lower the taxes on the richest Americans and the biggest corporations.
22:11The truth of the matter is what I stand for is shared prosperity, real prosperity, real growth,
22:17supporting businesses, but sharing at work so that the people in California get what they need.
22:23Thank you.
22:23And going after corporate special interests is the way we're going to drive down costs.
22:27Thank you, Mr. Steyer.
22:28Secretary Becerra, Mayor Mahan suggested that you're interested in growing the size of government.
22:33He says he wants to cut it.
22:34Your response to that?
22:35I said I want to cut it.
22:36I said I want to use the revenue we have today to make government better.
22:39We need to demand Sacramento do better before we ask working people to pay more.
22:44All of Tom Steyer's proposals will just increase cost.
22:48Secretary Becerra.
22:50Mayor Mahan should take a look at my record and he'll realize that the largest health
22:54enterprise in the world, the Department of Health and Human Services, is big.
22:57It's because we have to make sure we're doing everything to improve the health care for
23:01333 million Americans.
23:02And we balanced our budget four years in a row.
23:05So, Matt, here's the thing.
23:06I've been able to balance budgets much larger than your city of San Jose and make sure that
23:12we continue to improve health care for more and more Americans.
23:15But on the issue of taxes, here's the point.
23:18Everyone should pay their fair share.
23:20No one can claim that a CEO who's making more than a thousand times more than their line workers
23:24is paying their fair share.
23:26And, Tom, one of these days, let us know how much money you have in the Cayman Islands
23:29so we can make sure we tax you your fair share.
23:32Okay, I'm going to answer that because I pay full taxes on everything.
23:35I'm invested in all over the world and I pay full California and U.S. taxes on absolutely
23:39everything.
23:40That's not fair.
23:41But what is fair is this.
23:42And what I'm going to drive down costs.
23:44The idea that...
23:45You use every tax loophole available.
23:47You pay the lowest tax rate of anyone on the stage.
23:50I am going to drive down costs by going after the electric monopoly that no one else here will
23:54take on.
23:55We're going to introduce competition.
23:57I'm going to go after the oil companies, make them pay for their pollution and have a
24:01windfall profits tax.
24:02Look, I am going to drive down costs for working people and that will not only work for them,
24:07it will work for the corporations who employ them and make them more competitive.
24:11Thank you, Mr. Steyer.
24:11Mr. Mahan, your chance.
24:12Yeah, I just, I have to go back to this point about, it's not always about the size of the
24:17budget or how big government is.
24:19But being able to balance it is an important point.
24:22Yeah, but Javier, here's what I would, here's what I would ask you to acknowledge,
24:25which is you keep referencing your experience as your main qualification.
24:29But what have those 30 years of experience gotten us?
24:33More Americans insured than ever.
24:34No, hold on.
24:34Let me finish.
24:35Let me finish.
24:35Well, you asked the question.
24:36Higher, higher and less affordable health care that's squeezing out, no, we did not.
24:41Health care costs have gone up relentlessly.
24:43You haven't talked to millions of Americans we helped insured.
24:45If I could just finish my point.
24:47Well, you have to make sure you say something that's factual.
24:49Okay, it's pretty, you can go look at the data.
24:51Health care costs are up.
24:52That's right.
24:53Look at the data.
24:53We were able to get more Americans insured than ever.
24:56Do you mind if I just finish the point?
24:57Mr. Mayor, just finish your point.
24:59One at a time, one at a time.
25:02Three really, three really quick points.
25:03Yeah, I'll just make it quickly.
25:04Can we talk about the issues?
25:05I'll be prepared to fact check though.
25:07When it's your turn, go ahead.
25:10So higher health care costs that are squeezing families today, worse health outcomes, and
25:16as fraudulent and wasteful spending in health care grew, Javier Becerra did nothing as AG
25:23and as HHS secretary.
25:25Well, it's as bad as ever, and you've been a political career politician.
25:30That's true.
25:30That's time, Secretary Becerra.
25:31Yeah, totally untrue.
25:32Man, that sounds like a MAGA talking point.
25:35Listen, under my watch, more Americans gain health coverage than ever in the history of
25:41the country, more than 300 million.
25:42Under my watch, we were able to give folks access to the Obamacare insurance policies on
25:47the marketplace for, in some cases, $10 or less a month in premiums.
25:52Today, those are skyrocketing and people are losing those premiums and insurance coverage
25:56because Donald Trump abandoned those health care subsidies.
25:59Thank you, Secretary.
26:00Learn the facts, Matt, before you start talking on the state.
26:02We're going to come back to health care because obviously it's a huge topic for everyone in
26:05this state.
26:06I want to turn to another critical issue, not just in California, but also in the entire
26:09nation, which is immigration, as all of you know.
26:12Mr. Hilton, right now, President Trump is enacting a policy of mass deportation.
26:17As you know, roughly half of California, California farm workers, which are an essential
26:21part of this state's economy, are undocumented.
26:25As governor, would you push to deport them?
26:28So I'm the only immigrant on stage.
26:30I'm a legal immigrant.
26:32And Americans support immigration when it is properly controlled.
26:37And what we saw under the Biden administration, open borders undermined everybody's support
26:43for immigration.
26:44And as governor, I've made it very clear, although it is the federal government's responsibility
26:48to determine and implement immigration policy.
26:53I think it's important that all the laws are peacefully enforced.
26:57And as governor, I would make sure that we work with the federal government to enforce
27:02our laws.
27:03So you'll deport them.
27:04That is what we would expect.
27:05So just to clarify, Mr. Hilton, do you support deporting those undocumented farm workers?
27:10The policy on deportation is the exact same policy that we saw with President Obama.
27:17In fact, the numbers of deportations right now in our country
27:22and in California are slightly lower.
27:24But just to clarify your position.
27:25Can you answer the question?
27:26Just to clarify your position.
27:27I've answered the question, which is, I will work with...
27:29Will you deport them?
27:30That was the question.
27:31Well, would you, Antonio?
27:32Because the governor of California, as you know, doesn't make that decision.
27:37It is the president of the United States, elected by the country...
27:42Will you oppose them?
27:43Six of the people here don't even know who deports anyone.
27:46They just want emotions to rule the day so you support them because they don't even know
27:51what the governor can and can't do.
27:53Or if they do, they're lying to you.
27:55Congresswoman Porter?
27:56I can't believe that on a stage with 30 minutes of interrupting and bickering and name-calling and shouting and
28:07disrespect for everyone up here who's stepping into public service that anyone wants to talk about my temperament.
28:16You were actually interrupting them, too.
28:18I don't know why you want to act like you weren't.
28:20Oh, cowboy up.
28:22Steve and I sat here smiling at each other because we're just watching you all prove to everyone why they
28:28can't vote for a Democrat.
28:30Exactly.
28:31I'll answer the question.
28:33Congresswoman Porter, first off, do you want to respond to that from Sheriff Bianco?
28:36Yes, I did not interrupt.
28:39I did not go back and forth.
28:41Mr. Bianco, you've been very well behaved tonight, especially compared to CBS.
28:45And I actually appreciate it that you've been waiting your turn and following the rules.
28:49And I would appreciate it if everybody could do that, because I think Californians are actually owed some answers to
28:54questions.
28:54We were told we can interject.
28:56Congresswoman Porter, on the question itself on these farm workers, which are a big part of California's economy, what's your
29:04answer to that?
29:05As Mr. Hilton is saying, it's the decision of the federal government.
29:07It's the job of the governor to protect every single Californian, period.
29:13There are no qualifications on that.
29:15Are you doing that?
29:16Are you doing that by having a sanctuary state policy?
29:19Absolutely not.
29:20And I was on the stage telling everyone what was going to result from sanctuary state, and it's forcing us
29:29to be less safe.
29:32May I give an answer?
29:34Go ahead.
29:34It's the job of the California governor to protect every single Californian.
29:39The sanctuary state policy is designed to make sure that our state resources, the taxpayer dollars, the public servants that
29:47we have, are focusing on doing their jobs.
29:50Which is not cooperating with the federal immigration authorities.
29:54These are Californians.
29:56They contribute to our economy.
29:57They pay taxes.
29:58And they're one of the only ways that our state has been growing in recent years.
30:02Mayor Villagorosa.
30:03Rogoza.
30:04You know, you say you're a sheriff, and I know you are, but you clearly don't know what the sanctuary
30:12law does.
30:14I'm the only one up here that has to work with it.
30:16Mr. Bianco, excuse me.
30:18The fact is, since 2019, the state has turned over 12,000 violent criminals to the federal government.
30:28Sanctuary law does not protect violent criminals in the way that you constantly say they do.
30:34Oh, yes, it does.
30:35We've turned over, this state has turned over 12,000 criminals.
30:40I'll tell you what I think is illegal, is a sheriff of Riverside County sequestering votes.
30:48It's because you're lying to people.
30:50The votes in the way that you did.
30:51It's because you're lying to people right now.
30:53The court said that you should have done it in the first place.
30:56No, they didn't.
30:57Can I interject on this one?
30:58Caitlin, can I go?
30:59Go ahead, Mr. Becerra, Secretary Becerra.
31:02So I'm the only one who actually has experience taking on Trump in the way he's handling undocumented immigrants, because
31:07when he was president the first time, I was the attorney general.
31:11And we took him on straight on in court.
31:13We stopped him from trying to force local law enforcement to do the bidding of ICE.
31:19We were able to make sure we protected the DACA program for our DREAMers all the way to the Supreme
31:23Court, and we beat Donald Trump.
31:24What we have to do is make sure that Trump cannot invade California, and you can't stop him if you've
31:31got a governor like Steve Hilton, who is his dad.
31:34Donald Trump's his daddy, and he will protect them all the way through.
31:37Thank you, Secretary Becerra.
31:38Mr. Hilton, I'll let you respond to that, and I have a question for you, Mr. Shire, after that.
31:41I don't want to respond to silly name-calling, but I'd like to actually respond to something Katie said.
31:46And I think it's probably a sincere policy difference between us.
31:50She said something very revealing, which is the only way, really, that California's economy has been growing in the last
31:56few years is through illegal immigration.
31:58And I just don't think that's the right way for us to be growing.
32:00I think we need to help small businesses create jobs and opportunity, and for Californians to be able to earn
32:07more
32:07and live the California dream, and for entrepreneurs to want to start businesses in California.
32:13That's how we should be growing our economy, not by illegal immigration.
32:17Congresswoman Porter?
32:18I mean, given that you're an immigrant, and you added to our population, and we're all having to live with
32:23the consequences of that decision.
32:25Katie, there's a difference I think you'll accept between legal and illegal immigration.
32:30Yes, and I wasn't referring to what I was saying that immigration has been a major source of growth in
32:35California's economy, and that is true.
32:37Thank you, Congresswoman.
32:38Mr. Shire, I've got a question for you on immigration, because you want California's Attorney General to be able to
32:44hold both ICE agents
32:45and their leadership criminally liable for what you say is, quote, violent illegal conduct on the job.
32:52Does that include the former DHS Secretary, Kristi Noem, who oversaw the ICE operations in Los Angeles last year?
32:58Look, the governor of California should hold people accountable who break the laws of California,
33:06specifically including ICE agents and the people who send them to racially profile, which is illegal,
33:13and use violence against Californians, which is illegal.
33:17And it should go up the chain to the supervisors, right up to Stephen Miller.
33:21However, if he's sending people to racially profile and hurt Californians or kill Californians, he should be held liable.
33:28It is not legal for federal agents to come to California and break the law.
33:34It is absolutely critical that California's governor does stand up for everyone in California,
33:39that in fact, ICE to me is a criminal operation.
33:43I've said all along, we should abolish ICE.
33:45It's breaking the law. It is coming here deliberately to break the law.
33:49And that's why I'm saying we should hold them accountable.
33:52We should inspect the detention centers that they have in secret.
33:56So just to clarify, Mr. Skye...
33:57We should have a legal defense fund.
33:59Yes, I do.
33:59I don't know. I would go all the way up the chain.
34:02I've gone as far as Stephen Miller.
34:03Stephen Miller should be held accountable for what the ICE agents do in California that he sends them.
34:08But just to clarify, since Kristi Noem was the Senate-confirmed Department of Homeland Security secretary,
34:13do you believe that she is someone who should be prosecuted?
34:16If she has given the orders to break the law in California, yes.
34:22Chairman Bianco, what's your response to that?
34:24No one has broken the law in California.
34:26And this is why we fight in the streets and people are out rioting, burning down Los Angeles,
34:31because politicians like this sit and lie to everyone.
34:35They get them all infuriated up with emotion because they don't want to tell the truth.
34:42ICE agents are enforcing the law.
34:44And sanctuary state policy Democrats forced ICE into our cities and streets and neighborhoods
34:53to find these criminals.
34:54And I want Mr. Villaraigosa to tell the mother of the 14-year-old in my county that is dead
35:01because of an illegal immigrant that had been deported three times because of DUIs,
35:06that sanctuary state policy keeps us safe.
35:10I don't think she's going to agree with you.
35:12And the mother of my dispatcher that was killed is not going to agree with you.
35:16Mayor Villaraigosa, do you want to respond?
35:17If an undocumented worker killed somebody, he should go to jail.
35:21He should be prosecuted.
35:23It's too late, don't you think?
35:24How about the three DUIs before that?
35:27No.
35:27Because, no.
35:27Or do you want to be the bully that you always are?
35:29No, I, oh.
35:30You know, you're an oath keeper.
35:32We all know that.
35:33And I'm very proud of it.
35:34Well, you should.
35:35I'm very proud of it.
35:36And guess what?
35:37You're going to swear an oath and you swore an oath,
35:39you should know what you were swearing and be proud of defending it.
35:42I don't think an oath keeper is qualified to be governor of California.
35:46I don't think you know what an oath keeper is.
35:49Let me answer the question.
35:52I said, if an undocumented person committed murder,
35:57they should be held accountable.
35:58They should go to jail.
36:00And you keep on saying that sanctuary prevents violent criminals from being turned over.
36:05No, I didn't.
36:05I said it prevents criminals.
36:07In fact, as I said earlier.
36:07I said it prevents criminals.
36:09Don't lie for me.
36:10In fact, as I said earlier, thousands have been turned over since 2019.
36:15Obviously not enough.
36:17Steve Hilton, let me be clear.
36:18You know, I know you're recently arrived to California,
36:22but if you've read the Bay Area Institute, the UC Merced study, immigrants, if we took them
36:28all out, including the undocumented, it would be a $274 billion hit to the California economy.
36:36Sheriff Bianco, just to follow up on what you were just saying there,
36:38and you said you're a proud oath keeper.
36:40Are you referring to the group?
36:42I've sworn an oath three times to defend my constitution.
36:46Yes, and everybody that wants to, like, again, lie and emotionally get all spun up about the
36:52Oath Keeper organization, I just would, before you do that, and I know none of you have, I want
36:58you to go read the mission statement of the Oath Keeper mission statement and the ACLU.
37:01I saw them on CNN attacking the Capitol.
37:03and the ACLU. I saw a politician molesting kids. Does that mean you molest kids?
37:08What?
37:09Exactly.
37:10You don't pull those stupid statements out and expect to not be called out.
37:13You're a note keeper.
37:14You have no reason to, you're not qualified to be governor of California.
37:18I am extremely proud of swearing an oath to defend my constitution against politicians like this.
37:24And do you still consider the leadership of ICE?
37:27I think we should police Donald Trump's masked mercenary force that they call ICE.
37:32I think we should prosecute any of the forces that violate the law. And I think we should jail
37:38anyone who has violated the law. That goes all the way to the top.
37:42I agree.
37:42If anyone has violated the laws of California, they should serve time.
37:47And I'm telling you, no one has.
37:49That's, you know, there are two people who are dead in Minneapolis,
37:51because they were simply doing their civic duty and being able to act under the Constitution.
37:56Your civic duty is bringing a gun and fighting with cops? Your civic duty is to try and run over
38:01cops?
38:01Come on. You've already been called out of Oath Keepers.
38:05You've already brought guns to the Capitol, Mr. Bianco.
38:07Just be honest.
38:08Sheriff Bianco, as the member of law enforcement here, last week, the Department of Justice sued
38:13the state of New Jersey because the governor there signed into law a mask ban for ICE agents.
38:18A similar law in California was blocked last month. Do you believe that ICE agents who are
38:23conducting immigration enforcement should be able to wear a mask when they're on the job?
38:28I believe that the state of California doesn't get to dictate what they do.
38:32Do I allow my deputies to do that in certain circumstances? So the answer would be,
38:38I guess, yes, because depending on the circumstances that the federal government
38:42has jurisdiction over that, they can decide what they want to do. My deputies doing their work don't
38:47do that. But there are some circumstances where deputies and police officers would do that.
38:51So if we're honest and talk about what this really does and what it is,
38:56everyone would come up with a logical answer. But when you talk about emotions and you fire off
39:00emotions and untruths, I think they get offended with lies, but untruths, then you just confuse.
39:06But Chad, you're not, you're not, you're not being honest about the impacts.
39:10That's a chilling answer.
39:11I was just.
39:11Yeah, that's a chilling answer.
39:12There is.
39:13Yeah. I mean, look, it's, we can all agree that we should have a secure border. If you're committing
39:17serious and violent crime, deportation is, is the consequence. But I was just in the fashion
39:24district on the side of, of downtown Los Angeles, where I met with small business owners who
39:30are, have tears in their eyes because they don't have customers anymore. Because Donald Trump's cruel
39:36and indiscriminate enforcement based on the color of people's skins, the language they're speaking,
39:42it has terrorized the community. It's targeting the Latino community. It is disproportionately
39:47impacting our immigrant neighbors.
39:49Thank you, Mayor Mayhan. Congresswoman Porter,
39:50what's your view? What's your response?
39:52Donald Trump sucks. And I don't think that anyone who doesn't see that he is targeting
39:58and hurting Californians and won't stand up for everybody who is counting on them to be their
40:04leader and keep them safe has no business being governor.
40:07Congresswoman Porter, thank you for that. Mr. Hilton?
40:09Um, Antonio mentioned, uh, me earlier and said, I just recently arrived. It's true. I arrived here
40:15in 2012 with my wife and my two sons. But what's interesting is that, um, I don't think there's an
40:21appreciation of the difference between legal and illegal immigration. I've spent many, many times
40:28right here in East LA, where we are, with legal immigrants, with families of legal immigrants who
40:33really resent the unfairness that we're seeing in California, where you have illegal immigrants.
40:39who are getting free benefits, housing, welfare. And they say to me, look, we did it the right way.
40:46That's not true. We worked hard. We came to the right way.
40:48Candidates, don't worry. We are not getting fairness. And we need to restore
40:52fairness in our system. Thank you, Mr. Hilton. And candidates,
40:55don't worry, we have many more questions to come up from both of us ahead and much more of CNN's
40:59California governor primary debate right after this.
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