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00:01Out Front next, breaking news, former FBI Director James Comey could be arrested any minute, a warrant for his arrest
00:08just issued by Trump's DOJ, as Comey is indicted a second time by Trump prosecutors.
00:13And more breaking news this hour, ABC and the Trump administration facing off over Jimmy Kimmel, the FCC putting pressure
00:20on ABC stations, the network is not backing down, the FCC's lone Democratic commissioner is our guest,
00:27and a reporter for The Telegraph reports exclusively from the Strait of Hormuz and shows us exactly what's happening with
00:35the U.S. blockade.
00:36He says it's useless against Iran's swarm of speedboats. Let's go Out Front.
00:44And good evening and welcome to Out Front.
00:46Tonight, the breaking news, an arrest warrant has been issued for James Comey, the former FBI Director.
00:51Someone Trump has made clear is a political enemy that he would like to see prosecuted, is now going to
00:57be arrested any moment.
00:58That's what we could be about to witness, an incredible and unprecedented moment.
01:03The reality of the situation is that he's been charged with making a threat against President Trump.
01:09And that specific threat, of course, about those seashells that he posted on the beach when he posted a picture.
01:15The two charges have to do with this specific post.
01:18So let me just show it to you right now.
01:21The social media post that Comey posted about a year ago while vacationing.
01:25And it is a photograph showing sea cells arranged to say 86-47.
01:30According to the indictment, a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances
01:35would interpret it as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to President Trump.
01:40Now, this is because the Justice Department argues that 86 is slang for getting rid of something,
01:47and Trump is the 47th president.
01:49Now, moments ago, James Comey responded to the indictment, and he said this.
01:55Well, they're back.
01:57This time about a picture of seashells on a North Carolina beach a year ago.
02:03And this won't be the end of it.
02:05But nothing has changed with me.
02:07I'm still innocent.
02:09I'm still not afraid.
02:11And I still believe in the independent federal judiciary.
02:14So let's go.
02:16You heard him.
02:17So he says let's go.
02:18Well, today, the acting attorney general Todd Blanche claimed that this indictment is not political.
02:25I think it's fair to say that threatening the life of anybody is dangerous and potentially a crime.
02:33Threatening the life of the president of the United States will never be tolerated by the Department of Justice.
02:42I mean, just to be clear, of course, this post is about a year old.
02:45So now there's this set of charges.
02:49Where is, though, the outrage, given what Todd Blanche just said, over items that say the same thing,
02:55that were for sale when Biden was president and in Trump's first term?
02:59I mean, hats and shirts with 86-46, presumably references to Biden, are for sale on Amazon.
03:0586-45, Trump's first term.
03:08These items are still for sale, right?
03:10They cancel somebody, get rid of somebody.
03:13It's all there right now.
03:14Now, to state the obvious, right, when you look about a year past and all that stuff's still out there
03:19and it's never been a problem for anybody else, it is important to note that Trump has repeatedly called for
03:23Comey to be prosecuted.
03:24He's called him a traitor and a leaker.
03:26And Blanche, who is Trump's former personal attorney, has only been on this job for 26 days.
03:31And he is doing a lot of things that Trump clearly wanted to get done, that Bondi had not done.
03:37Immediately after today's press conference on Comey, Blanche was seen at the White House.
03:42You can see the video here of him arriving.
03:45And that comes on the heels of a separate court filing today, where Blanche once again did something important to
03:51Trump.
03:51He asked a judge to let construction of Trump's ballroom proceed.
03:55The document was signed by Blanche and includes a line saying efforts to stop the project are because of, quote,
04:01Trump derangement syndrome.
04:03Trump derangement syndrome.
04:05Now, if you did not know any better, you would think that maybe I was talking about a true social
04:08post,
04:09sort of a casual thing that had been put out there.
04:12You know, especially when I had it all in caps.
04:14But, no, it was in all caps and it was in a legal filing today.
04:18Kristen Holmes is out front, live outside the White House.
04:20So, Kristen, the acting attorney general, Todd Blanche, has just arrived at the White House.
04:24What is the latest you're learning?
04:26Yeah, I mean, Erin, this is something we've come to really see on a regular basis with all of the
04:31heads of the Cabinet.
04:32They have these press conferences and then they rush over to the White House generally to meet with the president
04:37and brief him on what has just happened.
04:39Now, when it comes to Todd Blanche and what we heard from that press conference,
04:43you really heard him trying to separate this case from any of President Trump's rhetoric, particularly rhetoric, around James Comey.
04:50He was saying this was a routine case, essentially, that the only reason why there's so much attention around this
04:56is because it's James Comey.
04:57He also went on at one point to say that they are doing this all the time, charging people for
05:02incendiary language,
05:03talking about President Joe Biden in a case that they have pending against somebody who is trying to incite violence
05:09against him.
05:10But we know that President Trump even just recently said that James Comey should be prosecuted.
05:16And it wasn't even for this.
05:18It was for something entirely differently.
05:20And President Trump, both privately and publicly, have said that he wants to see James Comey arrested.
05:26He said privately he wants to see him behind bars.
05:29And that's really where this idea of an arrest warrant becomes so interesting to see how the Justice Department handles
05:35this.
05:36We know that President Trump wants to see a perp walk.
05:38He has said that privately.
05:39He wants to see Comey suffer.
05:41How the Justice Department chooses to handle this negotiation over an arrest will really give an indication of where they're
05:49going to go with this trial or with these charges.
05:52So, for example, we heard Todd Blanche kind of walking away from the idea of a very public arrest, talking
05:59about, oh, we're going, I'm sure we're going to reach out to Comey's representatives and have a back and forth.
06:04Again, not what President Trump wants.
06:06The other part of this that's just so fascinating is that Pam Bondi was fired in part because President Trump
06:11thought that she was slow walking these charges or bringing charges against his political foes.
06:17Obviously, now it shows that Todd Blanche does not want to meet that same fate.
06:22Yeah.
06:23All right.
06:23Kristen, thank you very much at the White House where, as Kristen said, Blanche has arrived.
06:27Ty Cobb is with me now to start our coverage, the former Trump White House lawyer.
06:31So, Ty, you've read the whole indictment coming about a year after the initial post of those seashells.
06:35What's your gut reaction?
06:38It's specious.
06:39It'll be thrown out.
06:40It's classic, you know, revenge.
06:44You know, it's a document that it really isn't worth anything other than the PR that the president is trying
06:52to get to intimidate Comey and others who might speak out against him.
06:57It's a vindictive prosecution.
06:58You know, the previous attempts to get Comey certainly buttressed that argument, the directions from the president not only to
07:09Bondi but to Blanche about getting this done, pursuing his enemies, clearly helps buttress Comey's case on that as well.
07:20You know, it'll be dismissed and in part it'll be dismissed because there just is no evidence that would suggest
07:25any reasonable person would have taken this seashell picture and thought it was a death threat to the president.
07:33It's absurd to suggest this is a normal case, that this is done all the time.
07:37You know, the cases that they're talking about actually include threats of, you know, assassination, murder and violence.
07:42Well, I mean, these also 86, you know, can mean to cancel somebody to get rid of, which, you know,
07:48I would have exposed some sort of a political thing, of course, obviously, whether that means vote him out or
07:52hope he's impeached or whatever it is that perhaps the person was saying when they put those seashells or what
07:58Comey meant.
07:58But, you know, when it comes to just the overall 86, right, I mentioned the merchandise, 86, 45, 86, 46,
08:08Biden, and now 86, 47, Trump again.
08:11We've never heard an issue from the DOJ on any of those before.
08:15I mean, this one stands out.
08:18Exactly.
08:19And there is 86, 47 merchandise all over the Internet, hats, T-shirts, you know, thousands of protesters on No
08:30King's Days had 86, 47 posters.
08:33I don't think all those people are going to be prosecuted.
08:36And, you know, I mean, when you talk about a reasonable person who would have thought this meant to kill
08:42the president, you know, Miriam Webster's dictionary says the word was created as rhyming slang for Nix,
08:48which means to veto or reject.
08:50You could replace 86 with impeach the president and it would have no more violent effect than 86 does.
09:00All right.
09:00So you see this as Blanche doing what Trump wants him to do, as Kristen is reporting.
09:05And you have the context here of having obviously known Trump and worked with him when he was president in
09:11the first term.
09:11So you mentioned this exchange just in these past hours here after the White House Correspondents Dinner, potential assassination, trying
09:22to.
09:22Breaking news right now after a judge tossed out the first.
09:25This particular exchange is something that struck you.
09:27Here it is.
09:29I'm no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes.
09:36What's your reaction?
09:37Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would because you're you're you're horrible people.
09:42Horrible people.
09:43Yeah, he did write that.
09:45I'm not a rapist.
09:46I didn't rape anybody.
09:48Oh, you know, do you think he was referring to you?
09:51Excuse me.
09:52I'm not a pedophile.
09:53You read that crap from some sick person.
09:58Why did this particular exchange strike you, Ty?
10:02Because Trump was humiliated.
10:04You know, he he betrayed the, you know, the visceral insanity that he suffers through every day by attacking Norah
10:12O'Donnell for basically quoting the manifesto of the person who had tried who had allegedly come to assassinate the president.
10:20You know, a reasonable question.
10:22You know, it's it's it's disgusting, of course, that we have a president who is an adjudicated rapist.
10:28The judge in the case said, yes, this was rape, notwithstanding the absence of penetration.
10:36So I think I think, you know, Trump does this to try to flood the zone.
10:43This is his style of, you know, he was humiliated today.
10:46What do we have?
10:47We had this.
10:48We had the filing in the ballroom case, which, as you pointed out, was just a screed.
10:53It wasn't there was no legal argument in the in the document.
10:56It was just, you know, Trump wants this done.
10:58He'll feel safer.
10:59You know, 150 years of presidents have demanded this, which, of course, they haven't.
11:03You know, it's full of lies.
11:05And then you have Brendan Carr threatening ABC's licenses and ordering all their local affiliates to refile for their their
11:12license approvals.
11:13I mean, this is this is what you have when you have a dictator and fascism and it's coming out
11:20in full force.
11:21You know, his his enemies are in danger.
11:24Ordinary people are in danger.
11:26The whole world's in danger, you know, from the what's going on in Iran.
11:29So this is Trump basically trying to change the narrative, get away from his humiliation yesterday and, you know, turn
11:36the tables, you know, into him looking all powerful again, which, of course, he's not.
11:41All right, Ty Cobb, thank you very much.
11:43I appreciate your time.
11:44Let me bring in John Miller now, our chief law enforcement intelligence analyst and Ryan Goodman, out front legal analyst.
11:49OK, so, you know, as you just think about exactly what's happening here, we've got an arrest warrant out for
11:57James Comey, former head of the FBI.
11:58So, John, just when you look at this, how unusual is such a thing?
12:01Well, as Ty Cobb suggested and and as the police official who used to be in charge of dignitary protection,
12:09elected officials protections, presidential security on the NYPD when the president came to town.
12:15We dealt with a lot of threat cases.
12:17If I walked in to an assistant district attorney or a assistant United States attorney, a federal prosecutor with this
12:25case as a threat case against any president or any individual as a death threat, as a death threat, as
12:31any kind of threat case, this we would have never made it into the office.
12:36When we explained it on the phone, they would have said, don't bother coming over because it does not meet
12:41the elements of the crime.
12:42So, Ryan, you take this to say that the indictment is as you see it is so tenuous that the
12:49lawyers behind it could find themselves sanctioned.
12:52Yes, absolutely.
12:53The legal community has reacted to the indictment.
12:56It's easy to react to it.
12:57It's only three pages long.
12:59There's no way it can survive.
13:01And it's even a shock that it survived a grand jury.
13:05The indictment is using a statute that the Supreme Court has interpreted very, very narrowly.
13:11And as John mentions, for years it's hard to actually prosecute under this statute.
13:14And three years ago, the Supreme Court made it even harder.
13:16It really must mean that the person who's threatened has to objectively believe that this individual, James Comey, in this
13:23instance, will carry out this act of violence.
13:25And James Comey himself, according to the Supreme Court, as of three years ago, has to understand that everybody will
13:30see what he's doing as a threat, that he will carry out the act of violence.
13:34So it's ludicrous.
13:35There's no way this is what that's about.
13:37I think there's two other things going on here.
13:39One, as Kristen hinted from the White House, Todd Blanche is auditioning to be Attorney General of the United States,
13:48not acting Attorney General.
13:50Pam Bondi was pushed out, many believe, from the inside because she couldn't accomplish getting...
13:57Yes, Kristen said she was slow walking, even though she certainly was doing everything he wanted him to do.
14:01She couldn't get all the people charged, you know, that he wanted charged, but Donald Trump and Todd Blanche both
14:08understand that none of these cases that have failed and failed again were going to make it to a conviction
14:14in a court of law.
14:15But if you went to the FBI profilers and said, why does someone do something like this?
14:21You know, the question they ask is, who do you want to feel hurt the way you felt hurt?
14:26This is a two-time president who, in his off term, was indicted, was charged, suffered mugshots and, you know,
14:36arrest procedures.
14:38I don't think he expects a conviction.
14:40I think what he's looking for is the humiliation of the process because, as every lawyer who looks at these
14:45cases says, they're impossible to convict.
14:48Is that what this is about, the humiliation and the cost?
14:51You know, and this is going to muck up Comey's life for a while?
14:54I think so.
14:55I think it's also about the visualization that what they can get with an indictment is something like Comey brought
15:00in to be charged with an arrest warrant or any other way in which there might be a perp walk
15:05or a photograph of him.
15:06That's what they get just from an indictment.
15:08They will not get a conviction after trial.
15:10And the Justice Department manual that has stood around for decades says prosecutors must never bring a charge unless they
15:17believe not just that there's probable cause to convince a jury,
15:20but they need to be assured that they have beyond a reasonable doubt that it will convince a jury at
15:25trial.
15:25And there's no way that this would survive such an act.
15:28So how, Ty, I know you were saying you think he's going to be dismissed.
15:31Sounds like obviously you're saying lawyers can't be sanctioned.
15:33How quickly do you think it happens?
15:35That's going to be hard.
15:36It might take quite a while because I think if you're the defense counsel, James Comey, you don't want to
15:41just say let's go to trial because you're not going to be convicted.
15:43You might want to do all sorts of motions to have it dismissed using the Supreme Court precedent, et cetera.
15:48And then for the disbarment, which I do think is a real threat to the Justice Department, people who are
15:52involved in this, that might have to come after they're in office.
15:55There are some bar associations that are not going to touch it until the person's no longer serving.
15:59All right.
16:00Thank you both very much.
16:01And next, King Charles challenging Trump during a historic speech before Congress.
16:06So in front of all of Congress, challenging Trump on one of the most fundamental things about this administration, getting
16:10a standing ovation.
16:11Both parties, as the White House tweets a picture of the two men with the caption, two kings, plus Trump
16:19adding to the list of things that feature his face.
16:21Now some American passports will include his image.
16:24And ABC is standing firm against Trump for now, so far refusing to fire Jimmy Kimmel, as Trump's FCC is
16:30upping the ante, now ordering a review of ABC stations.
16:34Terry Moran worked at ABC News for a long time and knows all the players here is next.
16:41All right, you can strike position one.
16:44Terry goes to position two.
16:46Stand by your break, Master.
16:47In three, two, one.
16:50Effect.
16:50Roll your break, please, Master.
16:53Breaking news.
16:54Disney tonight not backing down against the Trump administration's push to fire Jimmy Kimmel.
16:59Kimmel minutes away from taping tonight's show, just hours after ABC's parent company hit back at the Trump-aligned FCC
17:05for challenging ABC local station licenses across this country.
17:10It is a major escalation, as President Trump and the First Lady call for ABC to fire Kimmel over a
17:16joke that he made days before the White House correspondent's dinner,
17:19shooting that Melania Trump looked like an expectant widow, a joke that Kimmel is defending.
17:28Obviously was a joke about their age difference and the look of joy we see on her face every time
17:35they're together.
17:36It was a very light roast joke about the fact that he's almost 80 and she's younger than I am.
17:41It was not, by any stretch of the definition, a call to assassination, and they know that.
17:47I've been very vocal for many years speaking out against gun violence in particular.
17:53Brian Stelter is out front outside ABC headquarters here in New York.
17:57Now, Brian, Disney and its new CEO, who is new to that job but not new to the company,
18:03showing no signs yet of caving to Trump's pressure.
18:07No, to the contrary.
18:09Disney is standing tall today and basically saying there's no real reason to challenge its licenses.
18:13The company says it is confident it will prevail through the legal system.
18:17Disney also invoking the First Amendment in a statement today,
18:19signaling that its new CEO, Josh DiAmaro, is not going to cage to Trump's demands.
18:24Now, look, if he did, the brand damage would be enormous.
18:27We saw some of this last September during another Kimmel controversy,
18:30when the show was briefly suspended, creating a huge public backlash.
18:33Most Americans say they don't want the heavy-handed government telling a channel what to do.
18:37That reminds them of authoritarian regimes.
18:39In fact, we used to talk about Viktor Orban doing this in Hungary,
18:42but Orban was recently voted out of office.
18:44For what it's worth, the Trump-aligned FCC chairman, Brendan Carr,
18:47he claims there is good cause to investigate Disney.
18:50He says he's already having a probe underway of Disney's DEI practices,
18:54so that's why the licenses are now being scrutinized.
18:56But legal experts tell me if Disney fights, Disney will win.
19:00Disney will have a strong legal case in court.
19:03Licenses are essentially never revoked in the United States.
19:06This has basically never happened before.
19:08So here at ABC headquarters in New York, where they produce The View,
19:11another show that's come under scrutiny from the FCC,
19:15there's a sense that Disney will push through this, and Disney's willing to have the fight.
19:19The View, of course, a program that interviews lots of Democratic politicians.
19:23Maybe that's why the FCC has been investigating The View ahead of the midterms.
19:27There are multiple political pressure points all coming against Disney,
19:30but so far, Erin, the company is standing tall.
19:33All right, Brian, thank you very much.
19:35And I want to go out front now to Anna Gomez, an FCC commissioner,
19:39and I know she is the only Democratic commissioner on the committee of three.
19:43And, Commissioner, I appreciate your time.
19:45I'm glad to be speaking to you again.
19:46Of course, we spoke last fall during the imbroglio over Jimmy Kimmel.
19:51You believe that the FCC's actions today, though, I understand,
19:55are the most egregious assault on the First Amendment that you have ever seen.
19:58That's not a small thing to say.
20:01How come you feel that way?
20:02Yes, that is correct.
20:04This is the most egregious assault on the First Amendment that we have seen from this FCC.
20:08It is unprecedented, it is unlawful, and it is bound to fail.
20:13And I'm glad to see that Disney is going to push back
20:16because it has the First Amendment on its side.
20:21So, Brendan Carr, who, of course, is the chairman of the FCC,
20:24talked today about the prior fight with ABC and Kimmel.
20:29When he spoke, I'm sorry, when he spoke a couple weeks ago at CPAC,
20:34obviously the conservative organization, here's what he said.
20:38National programmers, Comcast and Disney in particular,
20:41have amassed an enormous amount of power and control,
20:44and they're effectively pushing this New York and Hollywood foie gras
20:48down through all these local stations.
20:50So, what we're doing at the FCC is we're working to empower those local broadcasts
20:55to actually push back on Comcast and Disney.
20:58You saw that in the instance with Jimmy Kimmel, for instance.
21:03I mean, Commissioner, you obviously know Brendan Carr.
21:05You've spent time with him. You've worked with him.
21:06I mean, the last time he feuded with ABC and Kimmel,
21:08his threat infamously was, quote,
21:10we can do this the easy way or the hard way.
21:13Has this become personal for him?
21:17Oh, I can't speak to the chairman's motivations,
21:20but what I can tell you is that this is not an attempt
21:24to make local communities be better served by their broadcasters.
21:28Instead, it's a way to wage a political fight
21:30against the parent company, Disney.
21:32What we're seeing here is the FCC issuing
21:36requests to renew early the eight broadcast stations,
21:42the local broadcast stations,
21:44so that the FCC can pressure Disney
21:47to alter its conduct and its content.
21:50And that is unlawful.
21:53It's bound to fail.
21:54And the ones that suffer are the local broadcasters.
21:58But I'm very, like I said,
21:59I'm very happy to see that Disney is pushing back.
22:02And not only Disney is pushing back,
22:04this is a First Amendment violation.
22:06This is the administration's attempt
22:08to force Disney and other broadcasters
22:11to broadcast content that they like
22:13and to go after vocal critics that they don't like.
22:16What happens, though, if ABC does give in?
22:20Well, it would be a shame if anybody gives in
22:23because capitulation does not actually lead to protection.
22:26We have learned this in multiple instances.
22:30Capitulation leads to more demands
22:32from this administration.
22:33So what we need is for broadcasters
22:36and networks like Disney and ABC
22:39to push back and to stand up for the First Amendment
22:42because that is the choice.
22:43You either stand up for the First Amendment
22:47and freedom of speech, or you surrender it.
22:50Commissioner Gomez, I appreciate your time.
22:53Anna Gomez, thank you.
22:54And now Terry Moran.
22:55He worked at ABC as a correspondent for 28 years.
22:58He was dropped by the network after an online post
23:00calling Trump and Stephen Miller, quote,
23:02world-class haters.
23:04And Terry, I always appreciate you having a chance
23:05to talk to you.
23:06I mean, you obviously know the organization
23:07and all the players here better than anybody.
23:11Where do you see this going?
23:13De-escalation.
23:14That's clearly what Josh DeMauro,
23:16the new CEO, wants to do.
23:17And as Anna Gomez just said,
23:19there's a way to get through this
23:21where you can stand for the First Amendment
23:22and kind of quietly try to de-escalate.
23:26I'm sure somebody talked to Jimmy Kimmel.
23:28And going forward, you know,
23:30what's happened at The View
23:31is that there was effort by corporate
23:34to kind of tone down the politics on The View.
23:38And I think what they're trying to do
23:41is have their cake and eat it, too,
23:42and they may be able to get away with it,
23:43which is stand up to Trump,
23:45don't knuckle under in the most obvious way
23:48of saying, okay, Kimmel is fired,
23:51but try...
23:52Easy way or the hard way.
23:53Right.
23:53Just try to get out of this.
23:54Try to get out of this with the brand intact.
23:56That's the highest priority.
23:58So we played a little bit of Kimmel
23:59defending himself, right,
24:00and saying, well, this was a joke
24:02about a much younger woman
24:03who's even younger than me
24:04and her husband who's turning 80.
24:06And, you know, he laid out his thing.
24:08He directly addressed Melania Trump
24:09in what he said.
24:11Here he is.
24:13I agree that hateful and violent rhetoric
24:16is something we should reject.
24:17I do, and I think a great place
24:19to start, to dial that back,
24:21would be to have a conversation
24:22with your husband about it.
24:27Obviously, President Trump
24:28has threatened to wipe his civilization
24:29off the map, among other recent comments.
24:32You have dealt with this administration.
24:35What does a response like what Kimmel just did
24:38do to this situation?
24:40Well, it inflames it.
24:41I mean, he's trying to stand up
24:43for what he said and to say,
24:45why are there rules for me
24:47and not for thee?
24:48You know, why do you get to do
24:50the most vile and vicious posts
24:53on social media about other countries
24:55and about individuals as well?
24:57Right.
24:58Now, my own feelings,
24:59I thought the joke was unfunny
25:00and unkind,
25:02and I'm not sure that's a genuine apology,
25:04and I think he means it to be.
25:05Not that he needs to apologize for it,
25:07but I didn't love it.
25:08But that said,
25:09the government should stay out of this.
25:12Americans really need to remember
25:14the liberties that we have
25:15and that it's no business
25:17of Brendan Carr or Donald Trump
25:19to dictate the jokes comedians tell.
25:22What kind of country is that?
25:24And on that, Kimmel,
25:25is on very strong ground.
25:26On very strong ground.
25:27So here's the joke.
25:30I'll just play it again.
25:31That prompted, you know,
25:32President Trump to call for the whole thing.
25:34The original joke,
25:35and again, I want to just say,
25:36this joke was days before the dinner.
25:39And the individual
25:40who was trying to commit
25:42a horrific act at the dinner
25:43was already well on his way to doing so, okay?
25:46So just to make that clear.
25:47But here's the joke.
25:50Of course, our First Lady Melania is here.
25:53Look at Melania.
25:54So beautiful.
25:55Mrs. Trump, you have a glow
25:56like an expectant widow.
26:00I mean, okay.
26:01And I know...
26:02Maybe I don't get it.
26:03I've got a younger wife.
26:04No woman wants to hear,
26:05I hope your husband dies soon.
26:08What does he mean?
26:09So, but I guess that the question here is,
26:12he does know his audience, right?
26:15His audience is an audience
26:16that, by and large,
26:18is going to think that that's funny.
26:19Yeah, and good for him.
26:21And good for them.
26:22And that's America.
26:23You can make a joke.
26:24People can laugh at it.
26:24People who are offended by it
26:25don't have to watch Jimmy Kimmel.
26:26Yeah, I don't like it.
26:27But the notion that we are having
26:30this conversation on CNN
26:32at this moment
26:33shows how far we've come
26:35from our understanding
26:36of our basic liberties
26:37to tell jokes that we had
26:39just 10 years ago.
26:40Or whenever it was.
26:41Well, you're right.
26:41I mean, why would we even be
26:42talking about this?
26:43We wouldn't even be talking about it.
26:44We'd say, well, I didn't laugh at that.
26:45Did you?
26:46Oh, okay.
26:46Instead, the chairman of the FCC
26:48is using the power of the government
26:50to come down on this comedian
26:52and on the company
26:53and on all of us.
26:54That's the real message.
26:56Watch what you say.
26:58That's un-American.
26:58And trying to get him fired,
26:59which, by the way,
27:00it is clear now that this is,
27:01I mean, it was already personal
27:02between Trump and Jimmy Kimmel.
27:03They obviously had many words before.
27:05But, I mean, this is seizing the moment.
27:07Yes.
27:08Because they failed in September.
27:09They came close
27:10to not failing in September.
27:12He was off the air
27:12for a couple of days,
27:13and there was a great outpouring
27:14of support from ordinary Americans
27:15who understand their liberties.
27:16And that has to happen
27:18every single time.
27:19Brendan Carr
27:20or whatever henchman
27:21in the Trump administration
27:23tries to silence comedians
27:25or reporters or anyone.
27:27All right.
27:27Terry Moran, thank you so much.
27:29It is great to see you.
27:30And next, an exclusive look
27:31inside the Strait of Hormuz.
27:33A reporter who just traveled
27:35to the Strait
27:35right into that shipping lane,
27:37that central shipping lane
27:38that's verboten right now,
27:39he went.
27:40And he'll tell you
27:41why Trump's blockade,
27:42he says,
27:43cannot stop Iran's speedboats.
27:45They are there.
27:46Plus, Trump's picture
27:47about to appear
27:48on U.S. passports.
27:50S.E. Cup and Jamal Simmons
27:51have a lot to say
27:52about this latest development
27:54of Trump's face,
27:54and they are next.
27:56Okay, you can swap out the guests.
27:58Break camera three,
27:59bring it back.
28:00Stand by your break,
28:00Master.
28:01In three, two, one.
28:03Affect.
28:03Roll your break, please.
28:06Breaking news,
28:07King Charles and Queen Camilla
28:08just arriving at the White House
28:10for a state dinner
28:11after the king made several points
28:13in his address
28:13to a joint meeting of Congress,
28:15which were very clearly directed
28:17at Trump,
28:18including this,
28:19about America's checks
28:20and balances
28:21on the executive branch.
28:24The U.S. Supreme Court
28:26Historical Society
28:28has calculated
28:29that Magna Carta
28:30is cited
28:32in at least
28:33160 Supreme Court cases
28:36since 1789,
28:38not least
28:39as the foundation
28:40of the principle
28:41that executive power
28:43is subject
28:44to checks
28:45and balances.
28:50You know,
28:53it's an incredible moment.
28:55He just comes out
28:56that says she's speaking
28:56the basic American way.
28:59And there was a standing ovation
29:00from both sides
29:01of the chamber
29:02to that line.
29:03Almost on cue,
29:05the White House
29:05later treated a photo,
29:07tweeted a photo,
29:08I'm sorry,
29:08of the two men
29:10with, as you can see,
29:11two kings in caps
29:12and a crown.
29:14That's not checking
29:16out front now,
29:17SCCUP and Jamal Simmons.
29:18I guess I just had to say it,
29:19Jamal, I mean,
29:20you know, right?
29:21When George Washington
29:22refused to stay on
29:23because he did not want
29:24America to have a king.
29:26So, the bipartisan
29:27standing ovation,
29:28King Charles just coming,
29:29I mean,
29:29he's so King Charles.
29:31How many,
29:32179 references
29:33or 1789,
29:35whatever,
29:35I'm mixing my numbers,
29:36you get the point.
29:37But, but,
29:38this is an incredible thing.
29:39This is coming
29:40from the king of England
29:42who was dismissed
29:44by this country
29:45in a war
29:46over this issue.
29:48The king of England
29:49is here celebrating
29:50the 250th anniversary
29:51of us rejecting
29:52the king of England.
29:53Yes.
29:53Right?
29:54It's pretty amazing.
29:55Look,
29:56that is the most remarkable part
29:58is that there was
29:58a bipartisan
29:59standing ovation.
30:00The question is,
30:01will any of those Republicans
30:02who stood up
30:03for that moment
30:04stand up for the country
30:05and stand up
30:06for that principle
30:07after that moment?
30:08And will they do that
30:09when the president
30:09offers something
30:11that clearly is illegal
30:12or it clearly should not happen?
30:13Will they stand up
30:14and allow it to happen anyway?
30:16And yet, Essie,
30:17the White House post
30:18was King Charles
30:19and Trump together
30:20with the words
30:21Two Kings
30:21in caps
30:22and a crown emoji.
30:23I don't think
30:24Trump's made any secret
30:25of the fact
30:26that he wishes
30:27he had more power,
30:28whether it's monarchical
30:30or tyrannical
30:31or, you know,
30:32I mean,
30:33he wishes he had more power.
30:35And he loves the royals.
30:37He's obsessed
30:38with the royals.
30:38He thinks
30:39the royals are fantastic.
30:40It's really interesting.
30:42I just wonder
30:42if he's going to get
30:43any of the sub-tweeting,
30:44the sub-text
30:46that King Charles
30:47was not allowed
30:47to talk about politics.
30:48He's banned
30:49from doing that, actually.
30:50But he was very clearly
30:51talking about,
30:52you know,
30:53we should embrace
30:54our allies in NATO.
30:55We should be giving aid
30:57to Ukraine.
30:57We should be bolstering
30:58our checks and balances.
31:00We should blah, blah, blah.
31:01End executive orders.
31:03Beware of the overreach.
31:04America's words are strong,
31:05but your actions
31:06are even stronger.
31:07I mean,
31:08it thinly veiled.
31:08Will he listen
31:10to any of that?
31:11Will the Republicans,
31:13as Jamal said,
31:13who have really abdicated
31:15their thrones of power,
31:16the only job
31:17they're meant to do
31:18is be a check and balance,
31:20right,
31:20and pass laws.
31:21They've completely rejected
31:22that responsibility.
31:24And there they were applauding.
31:25It's just so fascinating.
31:26Did anyone listen
31:27to what he was saying?
31:29I mean,
31:29Jamal,
31:30it is saying.
31:31Go ahead.
31:31Well, you know,
31:32I was just thinking
31:32about the story
31:33you did earlier
31:33about the James Comey indictment.
31:37There's something
31:38really wrong
31:39when the president
31:39of the United States
31:40gets the Justice Department
31:42to indict a citizen
31:44because he doesn't
31:45like that citizen.
31:46But it's also something wrong
31:47when a senator
31:49like Tom Tillis
31:50can get the Justice Department
31:51to unindict somebody
31:53because they don't like that
31:54as he did
31:55with the Federal Reserve Chair.
31:56Now,
31:57I understand
31:57that was an answer
31:58to Trump's,
31:58you know,
31:59Trump's overstep,
32:00but we're answering
32:01that overstep
32:01with another overstep.
32:03And both of those
32:03are really bad
32:04for the democracy.
32:05So, you know,
32:06it's interesting
32:07with the Kings,
32:07though, thing,
32:08Essie.
32:09And I know everyone's saying,
32:10okay,
32:10is anyone surprised?
32:11No, no one's surprised
32:12that he posted that.
32:12But nonetheless,
32:14it still has to be pointed out.
32:15Okay?
32:16And it comes in the context
32:17as there was a giant gold statue
32:20of Trump spotted
32:21on the Doral golf course.
32:22That's his golf course.
32:23Okay,
32:24that was posted there.
32:25Posted.
32:26I'm sorry,
32:26that's there.
32:27I guarantee you it's...
32:28Okay,
32:29I don't guarantee.
32:29I don't believe
32:30that solid gold.
32:32I'm just saying.
32:34I'm sorry,
32:35I'm just going to be
32:35the reporter.
32:36I don't believe.
32:36I don't have it.
32:37Check my facts on it.
32:39We are learning as well,
32:41I see,
32:41that the U.S.
32:41is going to start
32:42issuing passports
32:43with Trump's picture.
32:45There's been the reporting
32:46on the National Park's
32:47entrance,
32:48you know,
32:49passes with his picture.
32:51Money for the 250th
32:53anniversary,
32:53perhaps,
32:53with his picture.
32:55What do you have
32:56for the passport
32:56for the United States?
32:58Yeah,
32:59I mean,
32:59this is silly
33:00and small,
33:01but there's a layer
33:03of this that I find
33:04really interesting.
33:06Whether it's the Ark,
33:07the ballroom,
33:08putting his name
33:09on the Kennedy Center,
33:10the money,
33:11the passport,
33:11he's building these monuments
33:13to himself
33:13while he's in office
33:14because I have to imagine
33:16there is some part of him
33:17that realizes
33:19they will not be built
33:20when he's gone.
33:21I don't think he's delusional
33:23about his standing,
33:25right?
33:26I know he talks himself up
33:27and he sort of
33:28placates himself
33:29and builds himself up
33:30to make him think
33:31MAGA loves me,
33:32all Republicans love me,
33:33I have 100% approval.
33:35But you don't do this
33:36if you think
33:36they're going to come
33:37when you're gone.
33:39He knows they're not.
33:40I think he's aware
33:41that the history books
33:42will write him correctly.
33:44And so this is why
33:45he's so desperate
33:46to get his name
33:47and likeness
33:48on everything he can
33:49in the moment.
33:51So, Jamal,
33:51let's just show these.
33:52Okay, the coins,
33:53the Treasury Department
33:53is preparing
33:54to put these coins out.
33:55I'll show everyone
33:55what those look like,
33:56the coins for the
33:57250th anniversary, okay?
33:59The Park Service,
34:00as I said,
34:00putting his face
34:01on park passes
34:03with George Washington's,
34:04just to be clear.
34:05Usually it's a picture
34:06of a bunch of parks,
34:07so he didn't just
34:07put his own on there.
34:08He put it next
34:09to George Washington.
34:10His name on the Kennedy Center,
34:12which I thought
34:12was interesting,
34:13I drove by there recently.
34:14I took a picture of it
34:15because I've been driving
34:16by there my whole life
34:17and I thought,
34:17you know,
34:18this is,
34:20it's a big thing.
34:22And his name's
34:22obviously on top.
34:23And then there's
34:24the Trump gold card.
34:25The Battleships
34:26that he's called
34:27Trump Class,
34:28the Trump Accounts
34:29for Children
34:29that he has launched,
34:31and the Trump website
34:32for prescription drugs.
34:34I mean,
34:34anyone at home
34:35is saying,
34:36wait,
34:36why are you still
34:36listing things?
34:37I just want to make sure
34:38everyone's aware.
34:39It's a lot of things.
34:41And there are people
34:41around him
34:42who are aware
34:42that this matters
34:43a lot to him.
34:43You say it's petty
34:44and you're right,
34:45but it's also not.
34:47It's a big deal to him.
34:48Yeah.
34:49Jesus,
34:49take the wheel.
34:50I mean,
34:51we have got to do
34:52better than this
34:53as a country.
34:54You know,
34:55Hakeem Jeffries
34:55has called this
34:56presidential graffiti
34:57that he's just going
34:58around the country
34:59and painting his name
35:00all over things.
35:01These are,
35:02I think Essie's right.
35:03He knows that this
35:04is not something
35:04that's going to last.
35:05And so he's going to do
35:06as many things as possible
35:07until he leaves.
35:09And then at some point
35:10we're going to take
35:10all these things down.
35:11What makes me nervous
35:12is that there are going
35:13to be some things
35:13we probably won't be
35:14able to take down.
35:15Maybe the arch
35:16that he's going to build.
35:17The arch, sorry.
35:18Yes,
35:18the arch that he's going
35:20to build.
35:21Or maybe the ballroom
35:22if he ever gets
35:23the ballroom done.
35:23I'm sure there'll be
35:24inlaid Trump,
35:25you know,
35:26crowns or something
35:26inside the marble.
35:28It's going to be
35:29really tough
35:29to do some of those things,
35:30but we've got to
35:31figure out a way
35:32to, you know,
35:32get out of that.
35:33All right.
35:33Thank you both very much.
35:35And next,
35:36I'll talk to a reporter
35:36for The Telegraph.
35:37Just went through
35:38the Strait of Hormuz
35:39right in the center,
35:40that narrow part
35:41that's completely
35:41shut off right now.
35:43And you're going to hear
35:44exactly what he saw
35:45and why he says
35:47Trump right now
35:47is powerless
35:48to stop
35:49that armada
35:51of Iranian speedboats
35:52as he describes it.
35:54And a battle
35:54between two of the
35:55biggest names
35:56in technology
35:57playing out right now
35:58in court.
35:59Elon Musk testifying
36:00in a landmark case.
36:03Those all pour.
36:05Breakthroughs in the gate.
36:06Gets are clear.
36:08Stand by Brakemeister
36:08in three,
36:09two, one.
36:11Affect.
36:11Roy, your brake, please.
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